Talking Pictures TV HD channel 81 on Freeview

[madge]

Combined minds

The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a retune
on my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from Dover
should I be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there at the
100's why did they not assign this channel a a number in the 100's?

Thanks in advance
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[Max Demian]

On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 22:08:26 +0100, madge
<deletethisbit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Combined minds


> The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a
retune
> on my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from
Dover
> should I be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there at
the
> 100's why did they not assign this channel a a number in the 100's?

It's an SD channel carried on the COM7 multiplex, which usually
carries HD channels. COM7 is a weak multiplex which also carries BBC4
HD and BBC News HD (among others). If you can't get them you won't be
able to get Talking Pictures.

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[Bill Wright]

Oooooh! I didn't know about it, but it's got some 1965 C & W music on
it! Excellent!

Bill

[Mark Carver]

On 06/10/2015 22:08, madge wrote:
> Combined minds
>
> The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a
> retune on my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from
> Dover should I be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there
> at the 100's why did they not assign this channel a a number in the 100's?

Dover doesn't carry COM 7, and there are no immediate plans for it to,
so you won't be able to receive this channel.

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[Andy Burns]

Bill Wright wrote:

> Max Demian wrote:

>
>> madge wrote:
>>
>>> The usual HD channels are there at the 100's why did they not
>>> assign this channel a a number in the 100's?
>>
>> It's an SD channel
>

> Oooooh! I didn't know about it

I only noticed because you reach it with CH- from BBC1 HD

[Dave W]

On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 22:08:26 +0100, madge
<deletethisbit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Combined minds
>
>The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a retune
>on my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from Dover
>should I be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there at the
>100's why did they not assign this channel a a number in the 100's?
>
>Thanks in advance

I can't get this channel on Freeview, but I gather it requires an HD
Freeview box, even though the channel is thoroughly SD. It is not
available on Freesat, but it is available on Sky, which I don't have.
However it can be tuned manually in non-Freesat mode - see KingOfSat
website for the required parameters.

I first heard about the channel from a promo in the Films section of
Radio Times, even though it isn't in their listings pages. My only way
of finding out what's on beyond now&next is to consult the channel's
website which gives the schedule for a week in advance.

--
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[NY]

"Dave W" <dave...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tnn91b9ie151ejakv...@4ax.com...

> I can't get this channel on Freeview, but I gather it requires an HD
> Freeview box, even though the channel is thoroughly SD.

It's also low-def SD: 544x576 rather than 720x576, so it's like Yesterday
and Drama.

I'll record Jigsaw when it's next on (this is the film that was mentioned in
the Radio Times). I was reroding something else when it was on the other
day, but I checked and it's a letterboxed widescreen print rather than the
grotty copied-from-VHS 4x3 recording I've got at present.

[madge]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 01:43:19 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 06/10/2015 22:08, madge wrote:
>> Combined minds
>>
>> The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a
>> retune on my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from
>> Dover should I be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there
>> at the 100's why did they not assign this channel a a number in the
>> 100's?
>
>
> Dover doesn't carry COM 7, and there are no immediate plans for it to,
> so you won't be able to receive this channel.
>

Dang. I can pick up Bluebell hill is it on that transmitter?

[madge]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:50:51 +0100, David Hume <David...@example.com>
wrote:

> madge <deletethisbit...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Combined minds
>>
>> The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a
>> retune on
>> my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from Dover
>> should I
>> be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there at the 100's
>> why did
>> they not assign this channel a a number in the 100's?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>

> There is a coverage checker here which tells you what channels you
> should be able to receive:
>
> http://www.freeview.co.uk/availability
>
> It says I cannot get 81 but I haven't tried.
Thankyou

[Dave W]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:50:51 +0100, David Hume
<David...@example.com> wrote:

>madge <deletethisbit...@yahoo.com> writes:
>

>> Combined minds
>>
>> The Radio Times last week and this week mentions this channel but a retune on
>> my Samsung HDTV it is not showing up. I receive my signal from Dover should I
>> be able to view it yet? The usual HD channels are there at the 100's why did
>> they not assign this channel a a number in the 100's?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>

>There is a coverage checker here which tells you what channels you
>should be able to receive:
>
>http://www.freeview.co.uk/availability
>
>It says I cannot get 81 but I haven't tried.

That site is confusing. For where I live it shows channel 81 under
'All' but not under 'HD'. Quite rightly, but it gives no clue that you
need an HD box to see channel 81.
--
Dave W

[madge]

Thanks for the replies.

Bluebell hill transmits com7 H -7dB C32 (562.0MHz)4kw 81 TalkingPictures
TV. I'll try to pick it out tonight.

[tim.....]

"Max Demian" <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:almarsoft.173...@news.plus.net...

It's on Sky but not Freesat

can anyone explain the logic of that?

I can't believe that Sky are paying them, they're not showing anything of
major interest likely to bring in extra sky subs.

tim

[Mark Carver]

On 07/10/2015 17:38, madge wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 01:43:19 +0100, Mark Carver

>>

>> Dover doesn't carry COM 7, and there are no immediate plans for it to,
>> so you won't be able to receive this channel.
>>
>
> Dang. I can pick up Bluebell hill is it on that transmitter?

Yes, it is, UHF Ch 32, but at much lower power than the other 6 muxes,
and out of aerial group, but worth a try

[Mark Carver]

On 07/10/2015 19:39, tim..... wrote:

> It's on Sky but not Freesat
>
> can anyone explain the logic of that?

Yes, they are probably on an Astra 'wide beam', so rights issues with
European overspill. If so they need to be encrypted, (and Sky will give
them a discount, or even provide the encryption FOC, if they can be
promoted as a Sky subs package channel)

[Mark Carver]

On 07/10/2015 17:40, Dave W wrote:

>
> That site is confusing. For where I live it shows channel 81 under
> 'All' but not under 'HD'. Quite rightly, but it gives no clue that you
> need an HD box to see channel 81.

Sigh. As ever, the UK manages to confuse its punters. You don't need an
'HD' receiver per se, you just need a DVB-T2 receiver, but as ever the
marketing fcukwits at Freeview/BBC/DUK etc think we're all too dim to
understand.

(Every other country refers to DVB-T2)

[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:
> On 07/10/2015 19:39, tim..... wrote:
>
>> It's on Sky but not Freesat
>>
>> can anyone explain the logic of that?
>
> Yes, they are probably on an Astra 'wide beam', so rights issues with
> European overspill. If so they need to be encrypted,

Is it encrypted then?

Bill

[Mark Carver]

Dunno, I'm a little outside Astra's footprint at present, in some weird
country that uses 110 volts for its mains, has mounted every single
light switch (I've used so far) upside down, and has news programmes
that make The One Show look like a 1970s OU programme on Quantum Physics.

Also every local TV news programme have two presenters who are exact
clones of Bruce Forsyth and Tess Daly.

Sorry, I digress; it seems Talking Pictures is unencrypted on 11671 H
SR 22 Meg FEC 5/6, so they simply haven't stumped up for Freesat's EPG
then ?

Can I come home now ?

[NY]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:d7m0oe...@mid.individual.net...

> Dunno, I'm a little outside Astra's footprint at present, in some weird
> country that uses 110 volts for its mains, has mounted every single light
> switch (I've used so far) upside down, and has news programmes
> that make The One Show look like a 1970s OU programme on Quantum Physics.
>
> Also every local TV news programme have two presenters who are exact
> clones of Bruce Forsyth and Tess Daly.

What I found with American TV is that no-one has taught them about the value
of "End of Part One" and "Part Two" captions to allow viewers to distinguish
clearly between programme and adverts. I found that two seemed to run
indistinguishably into each other with no junction - especially on drama; at
least on news programmes etc you get the benefit of a presenter saying
"we'll be right back after these messages". And why do they call them
"messages"? They are advertisements - or as I prefer to think of them
"spam". Why do dramas put in an ad break immediately after the opening title
sequence, within a few seconds of the previous break before the start of the
programme. The IBA had the right idea with their Code of Advertising - that
breaks should be at approximately 20 and 40 minutes into an hour-long
programme and at a natural break (eg a scene change) in the programme.

[Brian-Gaff]

Oh well that is a bit of a bummer, not.
The thing is, I see no need to get an hd box, and since as far as I know
there is not one with talking menues and program guide, I'm sticking to my
old sd box from Goodmans. However if they are going to pull stunts like
this, then its going to make things very awkward.

I doubt its going to have AD any time soon.
Brian

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[Ian Jackson]

In message <8dudnQEZL5abu4vL...@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<m...@privacy.net> writes

>"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:d7m0oe...@mid.individual.net...
>> Dunno, I'm a little outside Astra's footprint at present, in some
>>weird country that uses 110 volts for its mains, has mounted every
>>single light switch (I've used so far) upside down, and has news
>>programmes
>> that make The One Show look like a 1970s OU programme on Quantum Physics.
>>
>> Also every local TV news programme have two presenters who are exact
>>clones of Bruce Forsyth and Tess Daly.
>
>What I found with American TV is that no-one has taught them about the
>value of "End of Part One" and "Part Two" captions to allow viewers to
>distinguish clearly between programme and adverts. I found that two
>seemed to run indistinguishably into each other with no junction -
>especially on drama;

That's the whole idea!

> at least on news programmes etc you get the benefit of a presenter
>saying "we'll be right back after these messages". And why do they call
>them "messages"? They are advertisements - or as I prefer to think of
>them "spam". Why do dramas put in an ad break immediately after the
>opening title sequence, within a few seconds of the previous break
>before the start of the programme. The IBA had the right idea with
>their Code of Advertising - that breaks should be at approximately 20
>and 40 minutes into an hour-long programme and at a natural break (eg a
>scene change) in the programme.

At least with American TV you no longer get the cook in Downton Abbey
saying "His Lordship has let it be known that he wants something
different for dinner tonight..." - then suddenly turning to camera and
continuing ".... so naturally I'll be preparing these delicious Heinz
Baked Beans, available from your local store for around 99 cents a can".
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[tim.....]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:d7lstc...@mid.individual.net...

> On 07/10/2015 19:39, tim..... wrote:
>
>> It's on Sky but not Freesat
>>
>> can anyone explain the logic of that?
>
> Yes, they are probably on an Astra 'wide beam', so rights issues with
> European overspill. If so they need to be encrypted, (and Sky will give
> them a discount, or even provide the encryption FOC, if they can be
> promoted as a Sky subs package channel)

They seem to be running 1950s +/- films, none of which so far qualify as
classics, so I doubt that there are any rights issues

but explanation appreciated

tim

[tim.....]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:d7m0oe...@mid.individual.net...

so does that mean that I can "manually" tune in my freesat box to see it?

tim

[tim.....]

"NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:8dudnQEZL5abu4vL...@brightview.co.uk...

> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:d7m0oe...@mid.individual.net...
>> Dunno, I'm a little outside Astra's footprint at present, in some weird
>> country that uses 110 volts for its mains, has mounted every single light
>> switch (I've used so far) upside down,

I had that problem in Italy, so it's isn't just merkins

tim

[tim.....]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:d7lt41...@mid.individual.net...

> On 07/10/2015 17:40, Dave W wrote:
>
>>
>> That site is confusing. For where I live it shows channel 81 under
>> 'All' but not under 'HD'. Quite rightly, but it gives no clue that you
>> need an HD box to see channel 81.
>
> Sigh. As ever, the UK manages to confuse its punters. You don't need an
> 'HD' receiver per se, you just need a DVB-T2 receiver, but as ever the
> marketing fcukwits at Freeview/BBC/DUK etc think we're all too dim to
> understand.

That's be because, most are

tim

[UnsteadyKen]

In article: <mv5m59$2ca$1...@dont-email.me>

tim..... says...

>
> so does that mean that I can "manually" tune in my freesat box to see it?
>

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free-to-air_channels_at_28%C2%B0E

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[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:

> Dunno, I'm a little outside Astra's footprint at present, in some weird
> country that uses 110 volts for its mains, has mounted every single
> light switch (I've used so far) upside down, and has news programmes
> that make The One Show look like a 1970s OU programme on Quantum Physics.

Why are you in El Salvador?

> Sorry, I digress; it seems Talking Pictures is unencrypted on 11671 H SR
> 22 Meg FEC 5/6, so they simply haven't stumped up for Freesat's EPG then ?

How strange.

>
> Can I come home now ?

Only if you bring us all a stick of rock.

Bill

[Roderick Stewart]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 13:09:26 +0100, "tim....."
<tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Dunno, I'm a little outside Astra's footprint at present, in some weird
>>> country that uses 110 volts for its mains, has mounted every single light
>>> switch (I've used so far) upside down,
>
>I had that problem in Italy, so it's isn't just merkins

I was recently watching a French TV drama about the WW2 resistance in
France, and in one episode somebody was using a radio transmitter that
had to be plugged into a light socket. The socket looked very much
like a bayonet fitting, just like the ones we use in the UK, but I
thought the French, being continental, would use the continental screw
fitting type. Am I wrong about this, or did the TV props department
not research it correctly?

Rod.

[Mark Carver]

I don't think we have any higher (or lower) proportions of dim wits
in our population than in Sweden, Germany, or Finland (to name three
DVB-T2 countries)? Though I'm sure Martin will be along in a moment to
tell us everyone in The Netherlands has an IQ of at least 150.

[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:

> I don't think we have any higher (or lower) proportions of dim wits
> in our population than in Sweden, Germany, or Finland (to name three
> DVB-T2 countries)? Though I'm sure Martin will be along in a moment to
> tell us everyone in The Netherlands has an IQ of at least 150.
>

Only if calculated in Euros.

Bill

[NY]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:d7okqb...@mid.individual.net...

> On 08/10/2015 13:10, tim..... wrote:
>>
>> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:d7lt41...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 07/10/2015 17:40, Dave W wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That site is confusing. For where I live it shows channel 81 under
>>>> 'All' but not under 'HD'. Quite rightly, but it gives no clue that you
>>>> need an HD box to see channel 81.
>>>
>>> Sigh. As ever, the UK manages to confuse its punters. You don't need
>>> an 'HD' receiver per se, you just need a DVB-T2 receiver, but as ever
>>> the marketing fcukwits at Freeview/BBC/DUK etc think we're all too dim
>>> to understand.

That's partly because, to many laymen, DVB-T2 (if they've even heard of it)
is synonymous with HD. But as we have seen with Talking Pictures, there are
exceptions - this is 544x576 (not even 720x576) over DVB-T2, broadcast as an
MP4 (usually HD) rather then MPEG (usually SD) stream.

It looks as if Windows Media Centre doesn't receive listings for Talking
Pictures, judging by my experience and a few responses to the thread
"Windows Media Centre in UK - some channels' listings are missing" that I
started, which hint that BDS, who provide the listings that WMC in the UK
uses, may not have added it to the channels for which they supply listings -
and maybe that they never will now that WMC is not supplied with Windows 10
(and is a paid-for extra in Windows 8).

[Brian Gregory]

I certainly remember the light bulbs all being edison screw when I was
last in France (probably > 20 years ago).

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[Peter Duncanson]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 01:53:19 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 07/10/2015 17:40, Dave W wrote:
>
>>
>> That site is confusing. For where I live it shows channel 81 under
>> 'All' but not under 'HD'. Quite rightly, but it gives no clue that you
>> need an HD box to see channel 81.
>
>Sigh. As ever, the UK manages to confuse its punters. You don't need an
>'HD' receiver per se, you just need a DVB-T2 receiver, but as ever the
>marketing fcukwits at Freeview/BBC/DUK etc think we're all too dim to
>understand.
>
>(Every other country refers to DVB-T2)

What about the Irish Republic?

In that country, HD as well as SD is transmitted on DVB-T.

I live in Northern Ireland within range of a transmitter in the
Republic. The TV set in the room I'm sitting in is a Samsung 24in "HD
Ready" (UE24H4003). The set does not have a DVB-T2 receiver but does
have an MPEG-4 decoder (as well as an MPEG-2 one).

As far as local broadcasts are concerned that set can receive only the
SD channels from BBC, ITV, C4, C5 and the rest, but it can receive and
display HD channels from the Republic.

The situation is more complicated than that because transmissions from
the Republic use MPEG-4 for SD as well as HD. So a normal UK-style
non-HD set will not display any channel from the Republic even though it
is on DVB-T. Such a set will find those channels when tuning but can't
display the video but the audio can be heard.

I discovered by experiment that with some UK-style SD-only TVs and STVs
it is possible to get the Teletext from Irish channels, *but only with
the sound muted*!

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

[Peter Duncanson]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:29:03 +0100, Peter Duncanson
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:

>I discovered by experiment that with some UK-style SD-only TVs and STVs

.......STBs