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Woody

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Apr 8, 2016, 4:01:26 AM4/8/16
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Just been reading an item in a magazine about a new event taking place
in May.

It will be "at the Great Yorkshire Showground near Harrogate" - no it
won't, the GYS is <in> Harrogate.

It is easily accessed being being "just off the M1 near Scotch
Corner." Eh?

Another one that has clearly never heard of maps or been outside the
M25 methinks.



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NY

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Apr 8, 2016, 4:38:33 AM4/8/16
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"Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Just been reading an item in a magazine about a new event taking place in
> May.
>
> It will be "at the Great Yorkshire Showground near Harrogate" - no it
> won't, the GYS is <in> Harrogate.

I suppose the GYS is on the edge of the built-up part of Harrogate and is a
fair distance from the town centre (shops, railway station etc). You don't
have to go very far along the Wetherby road until you get to green fields.

> It is easily accessed being being "just off the M1 near Scotch Corner."
> Eh?
>
> Another one that has clearly never heard of maps or been outside the M25
> methinks.

That is laughable. I can understand confusion between the M1 (which
officially ends at Bramham) and the A1(M), because if you drive along the M1
you carry on three-lane motorway for a long way north of where it becomes
the A1(M) (at Bramham, where the A1(M) merges into it as the minor road).

But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous. Harrogate
is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards Cross :-)

And "easily accessed" in relation to the GYS implies that the author has
never sat in the multi-mile traffic jams on the Wetherby Road, or seen the
effect that GYS traffic has on all other traffic around the Harrogate area.
If I was going, I'd go by train and walk from Hornbeam Park. If the line
that bypassed Harrogate hadn't been closed, GYS could have had its own
station since the line passed along the eastern access road just by
Sainsburys.

Brian Gaff

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Apr 8, 2016, 5:05:11 AM4/8/16
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Is it north of Watford then?
:-)
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Mark Carver

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Apr 8, 2016, 5:25:06 AM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 09:39, NY wrote:

> But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous.
> Harrogate is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards Cross :-)

Mind you, it works both ways. I've heard some Yorkshire folk, declare
that Plymouth and Portsmouth are next door to each other.

There was an otherwise excellent BBC 4 programme a few years ago about
the UK motorway network that stated Spaghetti Junction is where the M1
M5 and M6 all meet !


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Woody

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Apr 8, 2016, 6:21:21 AM4/8/16
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"NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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If you think of the nearest access being off Hookstone Road then the
GYS is probably no more than a mile from the town centre.

The irony is that the guy who wrote the article (and is organising the
show) is based in Grimsby. He should knw better!

NY

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Apr 8, 2016, 6:30:50 AM4/8/16
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"Mark Carver" <invalid...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> On 08/04/2016 09:39, NY wrote:
>
>> But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous.
>> Harrogate is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards Cross :-)
>
> Mind you, it works both ways. I've heard some Yorkshire folk, declare that
> Plymouth and Portsmouth are next door to each other.
>
> There was an otherwise excellent BBC 4 programme a few years ago about the
> UK motorway network that stated Spaghetti Junction is where the M1 M5 and
> M6 all meet !

Whereas the M6 and M1 meet not that far from Watford Gap - which is *nowhere
near Watford*.

I'd thought that Spaghetti Junction (Gravelly Hill) was the junction where
the M5 branched off the M6, between Walsall and West Bromwich, but I see
that it's further east where a small urban motorway A38(M) meets the M6.


I was surprised how far apart Southampton and Portsmouth are. I've gone past
Southampton on my way to the New Forest and the Lymington ferry to the Isle
of Wight, and I've been to Portsmouth naval museum several times. It's just
that I've never been between the two. One day when we were on holiday in the
IOW we decided to be a bit daft and get the passenger ferry from Cowes to
Southampton, then the train to Portsmouth, look round the naval museum and
get the Cat back to Ryde. When we got to Southampton station we discovered
that trains to Portsmouth were only about every hour and it took about an
hour to travel between the two. I suppose we were misled by knowing that
Cowes and Ryde (the ports for Southampton and Portsmouth) are fairly close
together...

My geography of England is generally not too bad (I could position most of
the major cities reasonably accurately on a map). I'm not so good with
Scotland, though. And even in England here are a few glitches: when I was
little I used to think (for some weird reason) that Coventry was a seaside
city on the south coast :-)

Mark Carver

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Apr 8, 2016, 6:54:35 AM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:

> I'd thought that Spaghetti Junction (Gravelly Hill) was the junction
> where the M5 branched off the M6, between Walsall and West Bromwich, but
> I see that it's further east where a small urban motorway A38(M) meets
> the M6.

Yes, that's the other misconception about Speg J, which you quite
correctly say isn't true.

> I was surprised how far apart Southampton and Portsmouth are. I've gone
> past Southampton on my way to the New Forest and the Lymington ferry to
> the Isle of Wight, and I've been to Portsmouth naval museum several
> times. It's just that I've never been between the two.

There's enormous rivalry between the two cites. The only thing that
unites option is asking a resident of one city what the best thing
to come out of the other is ? The answer will be the same; the M27 :-)

There was this recent hoo-ha

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-33416464

ne...@address.invalid

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Apr 8, 2016, 8:41:00 AM4/8/16
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:03:26 +0100, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:31:19 +0100, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I was surprised how far apart Southampton and Portsmouth are. I've gone past
>>Southampton on my way to the New Forest and the Lymington ferry to the Isle
>>of Wight, and I've been to Portsmouth naval museum several times. It's just
>>that I've never been between the two. One day when we were on holiday in the
>>IOW we decided to be a bit daft and get the passenger ferry from Cowes to
>>Southampton, then the train to Portsmouth, look round the naval museum and
>>get the Cat back to Ryde.
>
>I don't know if he is still doing it but a few years back there was a
>chap who lived nearish to Lymington and worked somewhere around the
>Portsmouth area. He found it a tolerable commute for an avid cycle
>enthuiast to catch the ferry from Lymington to Yarmouth then Cycle
>from there to Ryde and then ferry back across to Portsmouth, using the
>IOW as a short cut.
>A very rough estimate is that a mainland route would be around 44
>miles ,via the IOW about 25.
>

Add an hour for the two ferry crossings, assuming no waiting times or
delays (most unlikely)

Add the exorbitant cost of the ferries.

I know which I'd choose!

NY

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Apr 8, 2016, 8:45:09 AM4/8/16
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<damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:31:19 +0100, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> I don't know if he is still doing it but a few years back there was a
> chap who lived nearish to Lymington and worked somewhere around the
> Portsmouth area. He found it a tolerable commute for an avid cycle
> enthuiast to catch the ferry from Lymington to Yarmouth then Cycle
> from there to Ryde and then ferry back across to Portsmouth, using the
> IOW as a short cut.
> A very rough estimate is that a mainland route would be around 44
> miles ,via the IOW about 25.

Now that appeals to my sense of daftness. I like it. It's a shame that the
Lymington-Yarmouth route uses the Lymington river for so much of its
journey, and so is affected by the draconian speed limits in the estuary.
Mind you, it gives plenty of time to look out for the bizarre names of the
navigation beacons: Jack in the Basket, Cocked Hat etc. And the crews on
that route are far more amenable to last minute alterations of schedule - if
you turn up early they'll usually try to accommodate your car if they have
room, rather than making you wait. There was one time when we got stuck
behind a dithering horse-box owner for ages when we were going on a scenic
tour of the New Forest before our ferry, and made it to Lymington just in
time. We were very lucky because in my rear-view mirror I saw the level
crossing lights come on just after we'd crossed, and when we arrived, the
last car was boarding. The staff waved us straight onto the ferry and the
RORO ramp/door went up immediately behind us - real skin-of-the-teeth stuff!
The good thing about being late on is that you know you won't be up on "the
attic deck". It's a shame that they don't allow passengers on the lower deck
to stay in their cars or stand on the deck any more - something about not
being allowed to play essential safety announcements by outdoor tannoy any
more - so everyone has to go upstairs into the lounge now. I used to enjoy
breathing the sea air and getting salt spray when I stood at the front.

The IoW used to have some lovely names of bus stops on the Military Road
between Blackgang and Freshwater Bay: "Back of Beyond" and "Middle of
Nowhere" on the signs. We overheard a bus fanatic (a real character!)
telling some passengers (part of his captive audience on the Coaster bus) to
look out for these signs but they'd been replaced by much more boring names
so I'm glad we got photos of them while they lasted. Bus expert was *not*
amused and spent the rest of the way having a hissy fit.

Mark Carver

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Apr 8, 2016, 8:53:42 AM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 13:40, ne...@address.invalid wrote:

> Add the exorbitant cost of the ferries.

The most expensive water crossing in the world, (in terms of 'per/mile'
cost) I'm told ?

Andy Burns

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Apr 8, 2016, 8:58:28 AM4/8/16
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Mark Carver wrote:

> There was this recent hoo-ha
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-33416464

How many litres did they give to G4S for home improvements?


Phil Cook

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Apr 8, 2016, 10:54:55 AM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <invalid...@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:dmpbnh...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 08/04/2016 09:39, NY wrote:
>>
>>> But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous.
>>> Harrogate is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards Cross :-)
>>
>> Mind you, it works both ways. I've heard some Yorkshire folk, declare that
>> Plymouth and Portsmouth are next door to each other.
>>
>> There was an otherwise excellent BBC 4 programme a few years ago about the
>> UK motorway network that stated Spaghetti Junction is where the M1 M5 and
>> M6 all meet !
>
> Whereas the M6 and M1 meet not that far from Watford Gap - which is *nowhere
> near Watford*.

Nowhere near *that* Watford. There's more than one of them yerknow!

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Bill Wright

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Apr 8, 2016, 11:04:13 AM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 10:25, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 08/04/2016 09:39, NY wrote:
>
>> But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous.
>> Harrogate is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards Cross :-)
>
> Mind you, it works both ways. I've heard some Yorkshire folk, declare
> that Plymouth and Portsmouth are next door to each other.

That's me I think! I'm never sure which is which. We planned a south
coast camping trip once and our first idea was that we'd start at Land's
End and finish at Dover. We wondered if there's be enough to do because
the two places were, we assumed, about 75 miles apart.

Bill

Bill Wright

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Apr 8, 2016, 11:10:14 AM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:
>And even in England here are a few glitches: when
> I was little I used to think (for some weird reason) that Coventry was a
> seaside city on the south coast :-)

I always thought Cheshire was on the south coast. And when the Daily
Mirror of the 1960s used to go on about unemployment in the North East I
thought they meant Liverpool.

And I was confused only last year because there are two Langley Mills.

Bill

Woody

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Apr 8, 2016, 11:36:11 AM4/8/16
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"Phil Cook" <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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There's no Watford there either!

The story is that when they were building the M1 one team started from
somewhere near Watford and built north, whilst another started
somewhere else and built south. Unfortunately whoever wrote the
contracts didn't make sure that the two met - the north-going builders
stopped somewhere north of Crick - and the missing part, where the
services were designated to be, became known as the Watford Gap.

I cannot vouch for the veracity of the story however.

NY

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"Phil Cook" <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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When I search for places in streetmap.co.uk I'm surprised how many common
town names have one or more much less well-known alter egos somewhere else
in the country: Oxford (the other one is in Northumberland), Cambridge
(Gloucestershire and Scottish Borders), Leeds (*), Gillingham (Kent and
Dorset, though one has a hard G and the other a soft G - blowed if I can
remember which one is which).

I hadn't realised till I checked just now that Watford Gap services are near
a village called Watford; I thought it was called Watford Gap.

The ultimate "it's the wrong place" has got to go to this legendary story
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/04/5. First of all, how rich do you
have to be to even contemplate getting a taxi all the way from Northampton
to Stamford Bridge (Chelsea FC) Football Ground in London, rather than going
most of the way by train? Secondly, how thick to do have to be not to
realise that road signs such as Leicester, Doncaster and York that you pass
along the way suggest that you are going north rather than south? The
miracle is not that they started off going totally the wrong way, but that
they continued all the way to the destination before anyone discovered the
error.



(*) Since Leeds in West Yorkshire is my birthplace, the one is Kent is
"obviously" the imposter, but the latter *does* have a castle :-)

Bill Wright

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Apr 8, 2016, 12:07:48 PM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 13:53, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 08/04/2016 13:40, ne...@address.invalid wrote:
>
>> Add the exorbitant cost of the ferries.
>
> The most expensive water crossing in the world, (in terms of 'per/mile'
> cost) I'm told ?
>
>
And they tried to make us pay the lorry price for our motorhome.

Bill

Bill Wright

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Apr 8, 2016, 12:09:03 PM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 14:15, Martin wrote:

>
> Using the most expensiver/mile ferry route in the world.
>
Only for tourists. Locals get it much cheaper. That's in order to reduce
the desire for a 'fixed link'.

Bill

charles

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Apr 8, 2016, 12:10:34 PM4/8/16
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In article <ne8iv4$b2a$1...@dont-email.me>,
Woody <harro...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> "Phil Cook" <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dmpv1u...@mid.individual.net...
> > On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:
> >> "Mark Carver" <invalid...@gmx.net> wrote in message
> >> news:dmpbnh...@mid.individual.net...
> >>> On 08/04/2016 09:39, NY wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous.
> >>>> Harrogate is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards
> >>>> Cross :-)
> >>>
> >>> Mind you, it works both ways. I've heard some Yorkshire folk,
> >>> declare that
> >>> Plymouth and Portsmouth are next door to each other.
> >>>
> >>> There was an otherwise excellent BBC 4 programme a few years ago
> >>> about the
> >>> UK motorway network that stated Spaghetti Junction is where the M1
> >>> M5 and
> >>> M6 all meet !
> >>
> >> Whereas the M6 and M1 meet not that far from Watford Gap - which is
> >> *nowhere
> >> near Watford*.
> >
> > Nowhere near *that* Watford. There's more than one of them yerknow!
> >

> There's no Watford there either!

According to the OS Map, there is a village of Watford less than a mile
from Watford Gap services.

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Jeff Layman

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Apr 8, 2016, 12:16:24 PM4/8/16
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On 08/04/16 13:53, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 08/04/2016 13:40, ne...@address.invalid wrote:
>
>> Add the exorbitant cost of the ferries.
>
> The most expensive water crossing in the world, (in terms of 'per/mile'
> cost) I'm told ?

Probably exceeded by the Sandbanks-Swanage ferry:
http://www.sandbanksferry.co.uk/tolls.php

It's around £4 for less than 500 metres.

--

Jeff

Bill Wright

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Apr 8, 2016, 12:18:55 PM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 16:55, NY wrote:

> The ultimate "it's the wrong place" has got to go to this legendary
> story http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/04/5.

My mate Nick ('Blackadder') got a call to go to Hepworth so he told his
sidekick 'Baldrick' to get him there. Baldrick entered Epworth into the
satnav and they ended up in quite the wrong place. Probably fifty miles
wrong, I dunno. Anyway, Nick gets on the phone to the customer, 'can't
find your bloody house!', customer tries to talk him in, directions
don't make sense. Finally customer twigs that Nick is in Epworth not
Hepworth. Nick races across south and west Yorkshire to Hepworth. When
he gets there the customer says 'I thought you weren't coming so I've
got somebody else to do it.' On the way home they run out of petrol. The
phone won't work and Baldrick goes on strike so Nick walks a long way to
get some petrol. Back at the van a bee stings him. He jumps back and
gashes his head. Finally at home Baldrick demands his day's pay. They
have a big barney. True story.

Bill

ne...@address.invalid

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Apr 8, 2016, 1:07:31 PM4/8/16
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:53:38 +0100, Mark Carver
<invalid...@gmx.net> wrote:

>On 08/04/2016 13:40, ne...@address.invalid wrote:
>
>> Add the exorbitant cost of the ferries.
>
>The most expensive water crossing in the world, (in terms of 'per/mile'
>cost) I'm told ?

I don't know if that's literally true, but you can certainly book
Dover - Calais cheaper.

Roderick Stewart

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:10:40 +0100, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:

>I always thought Cheshire was on the south coast. And when the Daily
>Mirror of the 1960s used to go on about unemployment in the North East I
>thought they meant Liverpool.

We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool, so it probably
hasn't completely lost the capacity to confuse.

Rod.

Graham.

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Apr 8, 2016, 3:28:31 PM4/8/16
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:10:40 +0100, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:

I used to think I had a work colleague called Harold Wood, but he
turned out to be an office.




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%Profound_observation%

Robin

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Apr 8, 2016, 4:52:12 PM4/8/16
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On 08/04/2016 16:55, NY wrote:

> When I search for places in streetmap.co.uk I'm surprised how many
> common town names have one or more much less well-known alter egos
> somewhere else in the country: Oxford (the other one is in
> Northumberland), Cambridge (Gloucestershire and Scottish Borders), Leeds
> (*), Gillingham (Kent and Dorset, though one has a hard G and the other
> a soft G - blowed if I can remember which one is which).
>

If you hear Norfolk accents near you in the next few weeks be afraid, be
very afraid, 'cos the Oi-wot-about-Gillingham-in-Norfolk-m'dear Brigade
may have found you :(

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gillingham,+Beccles,+Norfolk+NR34/@52.4725002,1.5309274,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47d9f6350fc91cfb:0x19da5ee00a3e1c9b

PS
One in Kent is pronounced as in "Jill", t'other 2 as in the fish's
"gill". And I've no idea about others I may have omitted to mention but
do of course respect, cherish and hope to visit before I die.

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ne...@address.invalid

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Apr 8, 2016, 5:08:32 PM4/8/16
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:10:40 +0100, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:

And of course Scotch Corner, quoted in your OP, is nowhere near
Scotland

Peter Duncanson

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 17:14:36 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:
Yes. Visible on Google Maps:
https://goo.gl/maps/55LfoRvAnFv


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(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Peter Duncanson

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Apr 8, 2016, 6:30:57 PM4/8/16
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 20:28:24 +0100, Graham. <alt.f7-...@yopmail.com>
wrote:
Way back in the 1960s I worked for Ferranti/ICT in Manchester. One day
one of the more senior managers said that he would be away for a few
days as he was going to Cairo. I was surprised. It wasn't until a few
days that I discovered that he hadn't gone to Cairo in Egypt, but just a
few miles away to another factory belonging to the company in a building
that retained its original name: Cairo Mill.

Peter Duncanson

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:21:24 +0100, "Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
Perhaps it was deliberate mis-information to keep "foreigners" away.

Bill Wright

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On 08/04/2016 19:12, Roderick Stewart wrote:

> We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool, so it probably
> hasn't completely lost the capacity to confuse.
>
> Rod.
>

We've got a New York in Rotherham.

Bill

Paul Ratcliffe

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:12:34 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool

Nicked from London presumably.

Woody

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"Peter Duncanson" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in message
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You are of course right.

However looking at it geographically you will note that the M1, A5,
Grand Union Canal and the west coast main line all pass through an
area no more than 400m wide - and a quick look at Wiki shows that
indeed a gap between two hills is the reason. It also says that this
route dates back to Roman times...

Ian Jackson

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In message <ne9f6r$1k0m$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> writes
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ids.srf?
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charles

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In article <oubggbtps1j5cp97v...@4ax.com>,
and there's a Moscow in Scotland - not too far from Glasgow.

Mark Carver

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Back in 1974 the IBA were reluctant to allow the 'Manchester Independent
Radio Company' to call themselves on air; 'Piccadilly Radio'
because they thought the listeners might assume the station was London
based.

Common sense prevailed of course.

Bob

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and Wales not too far away.

Roderick Stewart

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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 09:19:08 +0100, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>>> We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool
>>
>>Nicked from London presumably.
>
>In the earlish days of looking up timetables and purchasing tickets
>online entering Waterloo brought the Liverpool one up which may have
>caused interesting circumstances if they went on to purchase the
>ticket .
>The place on the South bank of the Thames needed the prefix London
>entered but years of turning at up Surrey stations and just asking
>"Waterloo" was ingrained.
>A quick check shows that now the Liverpool one still is at the top of
>the list but now has (Merseyside) as a suffix and the London ones are
>also in view.

I still feel uneasy booking rail tickets to Newcastle upon Tyne,
because it just shows as "Newcastle", and I am aware there is another
one. I'm not completely happy till I've checked the credibility of the
timings and the list of stations it will stop at.

("It's called the "Trans Pennine Express" - an express that stops at
seven or eight places along the way". It takes about three hours,
about three quarters of an hour longer than the journey to London,
which is further away).

Rod.

Graham.

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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 08:32:20 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:
And Charing Cross.

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%Profound_observation%

Graham.

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Apr 9, 2016, 9:45:50 AM4/9/16
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:26:59 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 09/04/2016 02:42, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:12:34 +0100, Roderick Stewart
>> <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool
>>
>> Nicked from London presumably.
>
>Back in 1974 the IBA were reluctant to allow the 'Manchester Independent
>Radio Company' to call themselves on air; 'Piccadilly Radio'
>because they thought the listeners might assume the station was London
>based.
>
>Common sense prevailed of course.

I can think of another source of confusion.

BBC Radio Manchester had a daily programme called "Piccadilly 33",
which was their address before they moved to New Broadcasting House on
Oxford Road, and also possibly a pun about long playing records.




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%Profound_observation%

ne...@address.invalid

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Apr 9, 2016, 9:51:34 AM4/9/16
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 09:19:08 +0100, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>In the earlish days of looking up timetables and purchasing tickets
>online entering Waterloo brought the Liverpool one up which may have
>caused interesting circumstances if they went on to purchase the
>ticket .
>The place on the South bank of the Thames needed the prefix London
>entered but years of turning at up Surrey stations and just asking
>"Waterloo" was ingrained.
>A quick check shows that now the Liverpool one still is at the top of
>the list but now has (Merseyside) as a suffix and the London ones are
>also in view.
>
>Both have electric trains supplied by a third rail a system that has
>become synonymous with London commuter land, but it was the Liverpool
>one that had it first in 1904, a decade before the London one.
>

I recall seeing an old film on the TV where the characters travelled
from London to Liverpool. They were showed alighting from a steam
train onto a platform with the sign "Liverpool Street".
I suppose the film was made for the US market who wouldn't notice the
error.

S Viemeister

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On 4/9/2016 9:30 AM, Graham. wrote:
> charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>> and there's a Moscow in Scotland - not too far from Glasgow.
>
> And Charing Cross.
>
And Dallas.

charles

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Apr 9, 2016, 9:56:28 AM4/9/16
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In article <dmsfs8...@mid.individual.net>,
been there, too, with a photo to prove it. (as I have for Moscow). And
there a Houston just beside Glasgow airport.

JNugent

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On 08/04/2016 16:36, Woody wrote:
> "Phil Cook" <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dmpv1u...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:
>>> "Mark Carver" <invalid...@gmx.net> wrote in message
>>> news:dmpbnh...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 08/04/2016 09:39, NY wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But to think that Harrogate is "near Scotch Corner" is ludicrous.
>>>>> Harrogate is "near" Scotch Corner like Esher is "near" Gerrards
>>>>> Cross :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mind you, it works both ways. I've heard some Yorkshire folk,
>>>> declare that
>>>> Plymouth and Portsmouth are next door to each other.
>>>>
>>>> There was an otherwise excellent BBC 4 programme a few years ago
>>>> about the
>>>> UK motorway network that stated Spaghetti Junction is where the M1
>>>> M5 and
>>>> M6 all meet !
>>>
>>> Whereas the M6 and M1 meet not that far from Watford Gap - which is
>>> *nowhere
>>> near Watford*.
>>
>> Nowhere near *that* Watford. There's more than one of them yerknow!
>>
>
> There's no Watford there either!
>
> The story is that when they were building the M1 one team started from
> somewhere near Watford and built north, whilst another started
> somewhere else and built south. Unfortunately whoever wrote the
> contracts didn't make sure that the two met - the north-going builders
> stopped somewhere north of Crick - and the missing part, where the
> services were designated to be, became known as the Watford Gap.
>
> I cannot vouch for the veracity of the story however.

No Watford near Watford Gap?

<http://s17.postimg.org/wb5l2lcgf/Watford_Northants.png>

The "gap" reference is to the topology. The Roamns went that way with
what is now the A5 for much the same reason.

Peter Duncanson

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Apr 9, 2016, 12:24:17 PM4/9/16
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:26:59 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 09/04/2016 02:42, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:12:34 +0100, Roderick Stewart
>> <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool
>>
>> Nicked from London presumably.
>
>Back in 1974 the IBA were reluctant to allow the 'Manchester Independent
>Radio Company' to call themselves on air; 'Piccadilly Radio'
>because they thought the listeners might assume the station was London
>based.
>
Perhaps they could have offered to name it "London Road Radio" instead
of "Piccadilly Radio"!

Piccadilly becomes London Road just by Piccadilly Station (which used to
be London Road Station until it was electrified).

>Common sense prevailed of course.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Alan White

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Apr 9, 2016, 12:59:47 PM4/9/16
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Calgary on Mull.
Bow Street and Chancery on the A487 near Aberystwyth.

--
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Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

Woody

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"Bob" <B...@the.builder> wrote in message
news:qcudnaPer9D_T5XK...@brightview.co.uk...
That's where I started this thread!! For heaven's sake, wake up at the
back.

Graham.

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They could have called it Mazel Radio!
http://www.manchesterbeat.com/shops/mazelradio/mazelradio.php


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Graham.

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Bob

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Apr 9, 2016, 3:13:21 PM4/9/16
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Sorry - I was trying to get to the Showground but guess I took a wrong
turn off Railway Road. Still, Fodder had some decent meat in.

James Heaton

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Apr 9, 2016, 3:25:23 PM4/9/16
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"Bob" <B...@the.builder> wrote in message
news:qcudnaPer9D_T5XK...@brightview.co.uk...
We've a California in Norfolk, with a fine set of cliffs

And a Vancouver shopping centre - named after the man not the city (city
also named after man if you see what I mean!)

James

James Heaton

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Apr 9, 2016, 3:29:02 PM4/9/16
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<ne...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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I stopped at the Scotch Corner hotel a few years ago, for the 'Great
Goodbye' rail event at Shildon (it was wor lasses birthday and I felt she
deserved a spot of luxury for trailing round the museum with me...)

We filled up at the services and all the displays were Scottish themed in
the shop - saltaires, toy Nessies, shortbread with dogs and castles on, etc.
The classic Scottish grockle bait. We figures somebody at head office
looked at the name and didn't realise they were about 75miles from the
border... I did have to explain it to a Kentish colleague who couldn't
understand why we were staying in Scotland for an event in the north-east.
Presumably it's because it's where the A1 and A66, i.e. Glasgow and
Edinburgh routes, separate?

James

NY

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Apr 9, 2016, 4:04:24 PM4/9/16
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"James Heaton" <heatona...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:nebl5m$1hnq$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
> I stopped at the Scotch Corner hotel a few years ago, for the 'Great
> Goodbye' rail event at Shildon (it was wor lasses birthday and I felt she
> deserved a spot of luxury for trailing round the museum with me...)

I have a certain fondness for the Scotch Corner hotel because it's where my
parents spent their first night together after they were married so it marks
a certain "first" for them (*). And before you ask, no I wasn't born exactly
9 months after that date :-)

Even as recently as the early 60s, one of their friends who had "done it"
before she was married was regarded with a mixture of nudge-nudge admiration
and pretend-disapproval. Mind you, this may be more a comment on their
particular middle-class upbringing and their circle of friends than a
comment on the general population at that time. How times have changed.

John Hall

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Apr 9, 2016, 4:16:58 PM4/9/16
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In message <ne9f6r$1k0m$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> writes
I've been to Dover in three different countries (though admittedly the
French one is spelt Douvre).
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

Woody

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"John Hall" <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:SliEpTHZLWCXFw3S@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
> In message <ne9f6r$1k0m$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
> <wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>>On 08/04/2016 19:12, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> We've got a Waterloo and an Islington in Liverpool, so it probably
>>> hasn't completely lost the capacity to confuse.
>>>
>>> Rod.
>>>
>>
>>We've got a New York in Rotherham.
>>
>>Bill
>
> I've been to Dover in three different countries (though admittedly
> the French one is spelt Douvre).
> --

...and it has a very good German wartime radar museum to boot.

Woody

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"Bob" <B...@the.builder> wrote in message
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Fodder is always decent - their eggs especially - but they don't have
any pre-packed bacon at the moment much to my Managements disgust!

The burgers from the caravan have to be seen/eaten to be believed -
despite the cost!

S Viemeister

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Apr 9, 2016, 4:47:01 PM4/9/16
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On 4/9/2016 4:15 PM, John Hall wrote:

> I've been to Dover in three different countries (though admittedly the
> French one is spelt Douvre).

I've been to two in the US, and one in England.

Peter Duncanson

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Apr 9, 2016, 5:22:33 PM4/9/16
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 19:36:16 +0100, Graham. <alt.f7-...@yopmail.com>
wrote:
Ah yes! I remember seeing Mazel Radio, but I don't think I ever went in.

Peter Duncanson

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Apr 9, 2016, 5:27:34 PM4/9/16
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Yes. This agrees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_Corner

The name originates from being the junction where travellers to
eastern Scotland (via A1 and/or A68) are separated from travellers
to western Scotland (via A66 and M6 motorway/ A74(M)/M74).

Paul Cummins

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Apr 9, 2016, 6:15:55 PM4/9/16
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In article <nebdms$jt6$1...@dont-email.me>, harro...@ntlworld.com (Woody)
wrote:

> >> We've got a New York in Rotherham.
> >>
> > and Wales not too far away.
> >
>
> That's where I started this thread!! For heaven's sake, wake up at
> the back.

Swindon, Staffordshire. Oxon, Shorpshire.

Farnboroughs of Hampshire, Kent and Oxfordshire.

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Bill Wright

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And Blackburn, whereupon is a TV tx.

Bill

Bill Wright

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On 09/04/2016 23:15, Paul Cummins wrote:
> In article <nebdms$jt6$1...@dont-email.me>, harro...@ntlworld.com (Woody)
> wrote:
>
>>>> We've got a New York in Rotherham.
>>>>
>>> and Wales not too far away.
>>>
>>
>> That's where I started this thread!! For heaven's sake, wake up at
>> the back.
>
> Swindon, Staffordshire. Oxon, Shorpshire.
>
> Farnboroughs of Hampshire, Kent and Oxfordshire.
>

There's a Maltby and a Stainton very close together in S Yorks and a
Maltby and a Stainton very close together in Middlesboro'.

There's only one Micklebring in the UK but there's a Micklefield,
Micklethwaite, Mickleton, and Mickledale.

Micklebring got its name because William de Warenne, who was perhaps
best remembered because he was born in an earthen tunnel "like a
rabbit", and who built Conisborough Castle, decided to also build a few
cottages for his serfs at nearby Micklebring, which until then known as
'That slopey bit over there that's no use for anything'.

"And we need to give the place a proper name!" he commanded. No-one
could think of anything suitable though.

When the first house had got walls up to ceiling height the builders ran
out of stones. They sent a runner down to Stainton quarry and he came
back to say, "There'll be some new stones ready after dinner. Apparently
Mick'll bring 'em."

So that's how Micklebring got it's name. But Mick never turned up. The
builders waited all afternoon and all the next day, but there was no
Mick and no stones. Finally the foreman said, "Oh, bugger it. Just bung
a low roof on it. They'll have to manage without an upstairs. And that's
the origin of the word 'bungalow'.

You can learn a lot from me.

Bill

John J Armstrong

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Apr 10, 2016, 4:12:50 AM4/10/16
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 03:05:45 +0100, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:


>You can learn a lot from me.
>
>Bill

(Much fascinating information snipped)

You certainly can. In fact, you're quite a guru.

I'll tell you how gurus got their name. At first, there were very few
of them, but then their numbers just guru and guru.

John Hall

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Apr 10, 2016, 5:31:23 AM4/10/16
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In message <dmt823...@mid.individual.net>, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> writes
>On 4/9/2016 4:15 PM, John Hall wrote:
>
>> I've been to Dover in three different countries (though admittedly the
>> French one is spelt Douvre).

To correct my spelling error, that should be Douvres.

>
>I've been to two in the US, and one in England.

We might share one of the US ones, then. The one I went to was the
Delaware one (IIRC - it was over 25 years ago), but Wikipedia lists no
fewer than 26 US Dovers (plus a Dover Plains).

John Hall

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Apr 10, 2016, 5:31:23 AM4/10/16
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In message <necccp$vmm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>When the first house had got walls up to ceiling height the builders
>ran out of stones. They sent a runner down to Stainton quarry and he
>came back to say, "There'll be some new stones ready after dinner.
>Apparently Mick'll bring 'em."
>
>So that's how Micklebring got it's name. But Mick never turned up. The
>builders waited all afternoon and all the next day, but there was no
>Mick and no stones. Finally the foreman said, "Oh, bugger it. Just bung
>a low roof on it. They'll have to manage without an upstairs. And
>that's the origin of the word 'bungalow'.
>
>You can learn a lot from me.

:)

There's a farm not far from me called Ruffold Farm. I like to think that
it got its name when someone said "My, but this is a rough old farm".

Returning to duplicated names, there's a Bramley in Surrey as well as
the better-known one in Yorkshire.

Ian

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Apr 10, 2016, 5:54:31 AM4/10/16
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In message <memo.2016040...@postmaster.cix.co.uk>, Paul
Cummins <agree2...@spam.vlaad.co.uk> writes
>In article <nebdms$jt6$1...@dont-email.me>, harro...@ntlworld.com (Woody)
>wrote:
>
>> >> We've got a New York in Rotherham.
>> >>
>> > and Wales not too far away.
>> >
>>
>> That's where I started this thread!! For heaven's sake, wake up at
>> the back.
>
>Swindon, Staffordshire. Oxon, Shorpshire.
>
...and Gloucestershire.

>Farnboroughs of Hampshire, Kent and Oxfordshire.
>

--
Ian

Ian

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Apr 10, 2016, 5:54:31 AM4/10/16
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In message <oubggbtps1j5cp97v...@4ax.com>, Peter Duncanson
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes
>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 20:28:24 +0100, Graham. <alt.f7-...@yopmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:10:40 +0100, Bill Wright
>><wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:
>>>>And even in England here are a few glitches: when
>>>> I was little I used to think (for some weird reason) that Coventry was a
>>>> seaside city on the south coast :-)
>>>
>>>I always thought Cheshire was on the south coast. And when the Daily
>>>Mirror of the 1960s used to go on about unemployment in the North East I
>>>thought they meant Liverpool.
>>>
>>>And I was confused only last year because there are two Langley Mills.
>>>
>>>Bill
>>
>>I used to think I had a work colleague called Harold Wood, but he
>>turned out to be an office.
>
>Way back in the 1960s I worked for Ferranti/ICT in Manchester. One day
>one of the more senior managers said that he would be away for a few
>days as he was going to Cairo. I was surprised. It wasn't until a few
>days that I discovered that he hadn't gone to Cairo in Egypt, but just a
>few miles away to another factory belonging to the company in a building
>that retained its original name: Cairo Mill.
>
I had a similar experience when my neighbour announced she was off to
Iceland, and was back within the hour.
--
Ian

Ian

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Apr 10, 2016, 5:54:31 AM4/10/16
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In message <dmpgv8...@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<invalid...@gmx.net> writes
>On 08/04/2016 11:31, NY wrote:
>
>> I'd thought that Spaghetti Junction (Gravelly Hill) was the junction
>> where the M5 branched off the M6, between Walsall and West Bromwich, but
>> I see that it's further east where a small urban motorway A38(M) meets
>> the M6.
>
>Yes, that's the other misconception about Speg J, which you quite
>correctly say isn't true.
>
>> I was surprised how far apart Southampton and Portsmouth are. I've gone
>> past Southampton on my way to the New Forest and the Lymington ferry to
>> the Isle of Wight, and I've been to Portsmouth naval museum several
>> times. It's just that I've never been between the two.
>
>There's enormous rivalry between the two cites. The only thing that
>unites option is asking a resident of one city what the best thing
>to come out of the other is ? The answer will be the same; the M27 :-)
>
>There was this recent hoo-ha
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-33416464
>
>

I'm surprised they didn't just put the UAE flag on top of it.

In fact I'm surprised there aren't foreign flags everywhere that's been
annexed by other countries, legally of course.

Shopping, so much easier and cheaper than war.
--
Ian

Ian

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Apr 10, 2016, 5:54:32 AM4/10/16
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In message <556e21cb...@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes
Also Bellahouston, which presumably is more aesthetically pleasing..
--
Ian

charles

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Apr 10, 2016, 6:00:26 AM4/10/16
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In article <VjWloeBKvhCXFwG+@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <necccp$vmm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
> <wrights...@f2s.com> writes
> >When the first house had got walls up to ceiling height the builders
> >ran out of stones. They sent a runner down to Stainton quarry and he
> >came back to say, "There'll be some new stones ready after dinner.
> >Apparently Mick'll bring 'em."
> >
> >So that's how Micklebring got it's name. But Mick never turned up. The
> >builders waited all afternoon and all the next day, but there was no
> >Mick and no stones. Finally the foreman said, "Oh, bugger it. Just bung
> >a low roof on it. They'll have to manage without an upstairs. And
> >that's the origin of the word 'bungalow'.
> >
> >You can learn a lot from me.

> :)

> There's a farm not far from me called Ruffold Farm. I like to think that
> it got its name when someone said "My, but this is a rough old farm".

> Returning to duplicated names, there's a Bramley in Surrey as well as
> the better-known one in Yorkshire.

Ripley, Surrey & Ripley, Derbyshire - there's a house on the North Downs
called "Dambreezi" - it is up there.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

charles

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Apr 10, 2016, 7:22:57 AM4/10/16
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In article <Zry2jQGr...@nospam.demon.co.uk>, Ian
connected but not quite the same, The pub opposite BBC Riverside Studios
named its saloon bar Studio 3.

S Viemeister

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Apr 10, 2016, 7:34:29 AM4/10/16
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On 4/10/2016 5:28 AM, John Hall wrote:
> In message <dmt823...@mid.individual.net>, S Viemeister
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> writes
>> On 4/9/2016 4:15 PM, John Hall wrote:
>>
>>> I've been to Dover in three different countries (though admittedly the
>>> French one is spelt Douvre).
>
> To correct my spelling error, that should be Douvres.
>
>>
>> I've been to two in the US, and one in England.
>
> We might share one of the US ones, then. The one I went to was the
> Delaware one (IIRC - it was over 25 years ago), but Wikipedia lists no
> fewer than 26 US Dovers (plus a Dover Plains).

I had forgotten the one in Delaware - drove through it many years ago.
The two I had in mind were in New Hampshire and New Jersey.

Davey

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Apr 10, 2016, 7:35:17 AM4/10/16
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Back when the America's Cup was being fought over in Australia, two of
my colleagues in America decided to go to watch some of the racing.
They booked flights and hotels, but when they arrived at the hotel,
there was no trace of their reservations. It turned out that the travel
agent had booked rooms in a hotel in Perth, Scotland, which had the
same name as a hotel in Perth, Australia.

--
Davey.

Ian Jackson

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Apr 10, 2016, 8:45:40 AM4/10/16
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In message <556e9793...@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes


>
>connected but not quite the same, The pub opposite BBC Riverside Studios
>named its saloon bar Studio 3.
>
There is (or certainly was) a pub in Cork, conveniently called 'The
Office'.
--
Ian

Woody

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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:39tigbl7h2pl3bpfi...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 16:46:59 -0400, S Viemeister
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku>
> How about Melbourne?
>
> One in USA
> One in UK
> One in Oz.
>
> I've landed in a plane at two of them.
> --
>

Wrong there Martin, three in the UK - Derbyshire, E Yorks, and
Lanarkshire.

Woody

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"John Hall" <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:VjWloeBKvhCXFwG+@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
> In message <necccp$vmm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
> <wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>>When the first house had got walls up to ceiling height the builders
>>ran out of stones. They sent a runner down to Stainton quarry and he
>>came back to say, "There'll be some new stones ready after dinner.
>>Apparently Mick'll bring 'em."
>>
>>So that's how Micklebring got it's name. But Mick never turned up.
>>The builders waited all afternoon and all the next day, but there
>>was no Mick and no stones. Finally the foreman said, "Oh, bugger it.
>>Just bung a low roof on it. They'll have to manage without an
>>upstairs. And that's the origin of the word 'bungalow'.
>>
>>You can learn a lot from me.
>
> :)
>
> There's a farm not far from me called Ruffold Farm. I like to think
> that it got its name when someone said "My, but this is a rough old
> farm".
>
> Returning to duplicated names, there's a Bramley in Surrey as well
> as the better-known one in Yorkshire.

Er, two in Yorkshire, one just down the road from Bill at M18 J1 and
one in Leeds.

Woody

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and Ripley N Yorks about 4 miles from here.

Woody

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That's cheating Bill as we all know its Blackburn Madows.

Bill Wright

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On 10/04/2016 10:24, John Hall wrote:

> Returning to duplicated names, there's a Bramley in Surrey as well as
> the better-known one in Yorkshire.

There's at least two Bramleys in Yorkshire.

Bill

Bill Wright

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On 10/04/2016 10:29, Ian wrote:
> In message <oubggbtps1j5cp97v...@4ax.com>, Peter Duncanson
> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes
>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 20:28:24 +0100, Graham. <alt.f7-...@yopmail.com>

> I had a similar experience when my neighbour announced she was off to
> Iceland, and was back within the hour.

In the days before there was a shop called Iceland there was just the
country called it.

Me and my mate Gordon started a rumour at school that there was to be a
school trip to Iceland, very cheap, first come first served. It caused
absolute pandemonium. We didn't get caught.

Bill

Bill Wright

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The school is called Blackburn Primary School. Every estate agent on the
internet calls the area Blackburn. The local history website calls it
Blackburn. The youth club is called Rotherham Blackburn Youth Club. My
mate who lives there calls it Blackburn.

Bill

The Other John

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 10:24:26 +0100, John Hall wrote:

> Returning to duplicated names, there's a Bramley in Surrey as well as
> the better-known one in Yorkshire.

There are some foreign places down here in the south east as well -
Dunkirk near Canterbury and Normandy near Guildford. Wonder if they
confuse sat-navs?


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Woody wrote:
> "John Hall" <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:VjWloeBKvhCXFwG+@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
>> In message <necccp$vmm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
>> <wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>>> When the first house had got walls up to ceiling height the builders
>>> ran out of stones. They sent a runner down to Stainton quarry and he
>>> came back to say, "There'll be some new stones ready after dinner.
>>> Apparently Mick'll bring 'em."
>>>
>>> So that's how Micklebring got it's name. But Mick never turned up.
>>> The builders waited all afternoon and all the next day, but there
>>> was no Mick and no stones. Finally the foreman said, "Oh, bugger it.
>>> Just bung a low roof on it. They'll have to manage without an
>>> upstairs. And that's the origin of the word 'bungalow'.

I nearly fell for that one and was going to pass it around.
bungalow
'b??g?l??/
noun
noun: bungalow; plural noun: bungalows
1.. a low house having only one storey or, in some cases, upper rooms set
in the roof, typically with dormer windows.
a.. (in SE Asia) a large detached house with more than one storey.
Origin

late 17th century: from Hindi ba?gla 'belonging to Bengal', from a type of
cottage built for early European settlers in Bengal.

Graham.

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 10:24:26 +0100, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <necccp$vmm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
><wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>>When the first house had got walls up to ceiling height the builders
>>ran out of stones. They sent a runner down to Stainton quarry and he
>>came back to say, "There'll be some new stones ready after dinner.
>>Apparently Mick'll bring 'em."
>>
>>So that's how Micklebring got it's name. But Mick never turned up. The
>>builders waited all afternoon and all the next day, but there was no
>>Mick and no stones. Finally the foreman said, "Oh, bugger it. Just bung
>>a low roof on it. They'll have to manage without an upstairs. And
>>that's the origin of the word 'bungalow'.
>>
>>You can learn a lot from me.
>
>:)
>
>There's a farm not far from me called Ruffold Farm. I like to think that
>it got its name when someone said "My, but this is a rough old farm".
>
>Returning to duplicated names, there's a Bramley in Surrey as well as
>the better-known one in Yorkshire.

Some relatives of mine called their house "Moorside", because when
they read their little girl a story, when it was time to turn the
page, that's what she said.



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There's a Bradford next to Manchester City's ground.

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Bill Wright

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On 10/04/2016 17:46, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

> noun: bungalow; plural noun: bungalows
> 1.. a low house having only one storey or, in some cases, upper rooms set
> in the roof, typically with dormer windows.
> a.. (in SE Asia) a large detached house with more than one storey.
> Origin
>
> late 17th century: from Hindi ba?gla 'belonging to Bengal', from a type of
> cottage built for early European settlers in Bengal.

What nonsense! As if we would take a word from the lingo of Johnnie
Foreigner!

No, the etymology I gave is the correct one.

I have been looking under stones all my life so I know a bit about
entomology.

Bill

charles

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In article <nef4jg$179s$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
So, while you sit on your sofa in your pyjamas eating curry, what new
theory will you come up with?

Graham.

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:15:20 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Hindi_or_Urdu_origin

"Punch" (the drink) and Yoga are from Sanskrit apparently.

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Bill Wright

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On 11/04/2016 08:15, charles wrote:

> So, while you sit on your sofa in your pyjamas eating curry, what new
> theory will you come up with?
>


Who can tell? Some bit of genius I expect.

Bill

Graham.

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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 15:01:26 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <dmsfs8...@mid.individual.net>,
> S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 4/9/2016 9:30 AM, Graham. wrote:
>> > charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>> >> and there's a Moscow in Scotland - not too far from Glasgow.
>> >
>> > And Charing Cross.
>> >
>> And Dallas.
>
>been there, too, with a photo to prove it. (as I have for Moscow). And
>there a Houston just beside Glasgow airport.

This might amuse you, I've just sent a scan of it to their head office
in Milton Keynes.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/g3zvt/z14V4P

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On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 1:01:26 AM UTC-7, Woody wrote:
> Just been reading an item in a magazine about a new event taking place
> in May.
>
> It will be "at the Great Yorkshire Showground near Harrogate" - no it
> won't, the GYS is <in> Harrogate.
>
> It is easily accessed being being "just off the M1 near Scotch
> Corner." Eh?
>
> Another one that has clearly never heard of maps or been outside the
> M25 methinks.

Brian Gaff (Sofa)

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There is a wonderful comedy routine by the Canadian Air Farce about dodgy
print setting.
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Somebody revives a post from 4 years ago, and then adds no comment of
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Yes its very odd as it was four years back could there be some withering
skeletons of people who got lost back then and were forever stranded in a
random field in the middle of nowhere?
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