BBC GTS Pips
Jolly Roger
The box that generates the pips in BH is bust (again) according to the
announcer on R4, just before 7pm.
Seems to have broken after 4pm but before 5pm...
From 29'27" :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00stq0j/Clare_in_the_Community_Series_6_In_The_Dog_House/
R.
Brian Gaff, probably..
seemed less than convinced from his intonation.
Sometimes the simplest systems work better than the complex ones.
Brian
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Roger Wilmut
"Brian Gaff, probably.." <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, the guy I heard said he was told it was a computer failure, but he
> seemed less than convinced from his intonation.
>
> Sometimes the simplest systems work better than the complex ones.
> Brian
>
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> graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
It's all a bit academic nowadays, what with DAB delaying them by around
2.5 seconds. When I think of the fuss over them in the Overseas Services
in the 1960s - you inserted them manually by putting a key down: it was
easy to forget (and easy to forget to put it off again, thus adding an
extra set 15 minutes later). If you omitted one it had to be broadcast
15 minutes later, even if it was across programme, and if you missed a
pip off either end there was hell to pay as ships were using them for
navigation (we were told).
One of my colleagues was distracted because several of us were talking
to him, and missed two pips - the middle two... he put the key off after
two pips, said 'Oh shit' and put it back on again in time for the last
two. We all cleared out, of course. Our boss, who would normally have
roasted him for something like this, must have been taken aback by the
stupidity of it because all he said was 'Be more careful next time'.
Incidentally the pips did come from Greenwhich, over a line carrying
tone which was interrupted for the pips (so that you knew at once if the
line went down) - this was used to produce the actual tone for the pips
locally - this adding even more excitement if you left the key down in
error.
And you think things were simpler then?
Dave Plowman (News)
"Brian Gaff, probably.." <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> seemed less than convinced from his intonation.
Typical of Eddie Mare. ;-)
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charles
It's spelled "Greenwich" but the pips did not come from there, they came
from the Royal Greenwich Observatory at Hurstmonseaux in East Sussex.
Later on , the BBC generated its own Pips
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> In article<xdjFp.451$Dk2...@newsfe04.ams2>,
> "Brian Gaff, probably.."<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yes, the guy I heard said he was told it was a computer failure, but he
>> seemed less than convinced from his intonation.
>
> Typical of Eddie Mare. ;-)
>
Perhaps justified when the chap in the Control Room(?) said that it was
the "box that produced the pips" or something like that then suggested
it might be a power suppply fault when asked about the reserve one
failing at the same time.
It did not sound very convincing.
He sounded very confused when Mair asked if there would be no missing
"bongs" and even more confused when Mair made a joke that the PM
programme could be several hours earlier next week if they continued to
lose several seconds an hour.
Andy Wade
> It's spelled "Greenwich" but the pips did not come from there, they came
> from the Royal Greenwich Observatory at Hurstmonseaux in East Sussex.
> Later on , the BBC generated its own Pips
Indeed, but "one of those things I've often wondered" is why do they
generate GTS on the quarter hours when they are only ever(?) broadcast
on the hour. Is there some internal use for the quarter and half-hour pips?
--
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Terry Casey
AIUI they've always been generated on the quarters as well as the hour and half
hour.
I also think that I've heard the pips transmitted on the quarter hour -
deliberately, rather than by accident - but it would have been a long time ago.
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Graham.
"charles" <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:51dc7f3d...@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
How do we know you pronounced Hurstmonseaux correctly? :p
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Mortimer
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Especially when it's spelled Herstmonceux :-)
Roger Wilmut
Andy Wade <spamb...@maxwell.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
We used them in the foreign language transmissions and some of these
started on quarters, half-hours or three-quarters.
Graham.
>>>
>>> It's spelled "Greenwich" but the pips did not come from there, they came
>>> from the Royal Greenwich Observatory at Hurstmonseaux in East Sussex.
>>> Later on , the BBC generated its own Pips
>>
>> How do we know you pronounced Hurstmonseaux correctly? :p
>
> Especially when it's spelled Herstmonceux :-)
Ha, so it is.
That's got to be the best Skitt's Law transgression I have seen in a long while.
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charles
> "charles" <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:51dc7f3d...@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
[Snip]
> >
> > It's spelled "Greenwich" but the pips did not come from there, they
> > came from the Royal Greenwich Observatory at Hurstmonseaux in East
> > Sussex. Later on , the BBC generated its own Pips
> How do we know you pronounced Hurstmonseaux correctly? :p
by listening to what I said ;-)
Mark Carver
All this reminds me of (was it ?) John Bird's sketch.
"It's one o'clock Greenwich. . . mean time here is the news."
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Brian Gaff
can be told.
On some feeds like, for instance Nasa TV the various streams can be delayed
as much as a couple of minutes agains each other. No idea how or why this
occurs, but it certainly makes a mokery of the term live as it happens..
Brian
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Andy Champ
> "Graham." <m...@privacy.com> wrote in message
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>>
>
> Especially when it's spelled Herstmonceux :-)
And how few of you thought "Grinnidge" which is they way it's pronounced
round there?
Andy
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faded herself up and announced "Seven hours thirty Greenwich Mean Time" (or what ever the time was).
She must have forgot she was working at Oxford Road and not Bush House that week.
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"charles" <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:51dca927...@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
I only know how it's pronounced through hearing Patrick Moore say it,
but, as any schoolboy will tell you, his pronouncing of the seventh planet
from the sun is wrong so who can tell ;-)
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J G Miller
> Many years ago a dippy female early-morning presenter on BBC1 North-West
> television faded herself up and announced "Seven hours thirty Greenwich
> Mean Time" (or what ever the time was).
And it if was not during the BST period, what was so wrong with that?
J G Miller
> as any schoolboy will tell you, his pronouncing of the seventh
> planet from the sun is wrong so who can tell ;-)
οὐρανός
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Bill
SpamTrapSeeSig
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Sillier still:
If I remember correctly, in the analogue days, cons always used to have
a feed of Big Ben's mics available too. You could hear the Westminster
traffic between chimes.
I can understand the first occurrence being a problem, but, if they
_knew_ the pips weren't available, why didn't they use Big Ben instead
for the next hour? That would have sufficed, surely?
If they didn't, I assume it also is a victim of cutbacks. Anyway I can't
be beyond the wit of whomsoever to cue a recording at the right point to
hit the hour on the button, so-to-speak.
They really are woefully disorganised and lacking in initiative these
days.
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J G Miller
> Wrong house style.
Ah I think I follow -- BBC World Service has intelligent listeners.
BBC 1 North West viewers are rather "simple" folk.
Terry Casey
Many years ago, one New Year's Eve, my wife had Radio 4 on at midnight but, for
some reason I can't remember now, had the World Service on in the kitchen.
Both broadcast the chimes of Big Ben but, to my surprise, during the twelve
strokes, the chimes between the two radios gradually separated in time!
Obviously one was live and one was a recording - I assume the latter was the
WS.
Was this common? Or was it a once a year custom so that any midnight
celebratory noise picked up by the mike wasn't broadcast to an audience who, in
the main, weren't celebrating the New Year at midnight GMT?
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charles
Casey <kt...@example.invalid> wrote:
[Snip]
> Many years ago, one New Year's Eve, my wife had Radio 4 on at midnight
> but, for some reason I can't remember now, had the World Service on in
> the kitchen.
> Both broadcast the chimes of Big Ben but, to my surprise, during the
> twelve strokes, the chimes between the two radios gradually separated in
> time! Obviously one was live and one was a recording - I assume the
> latter was the WS.
> Was this common? Or was it a once a year custom so that any midnight
> celebratory noise picked up by the mike wasn't broadcast to an audience
> who, in the main, weren't celebrating the New Year at midnight GMT?
I can remember in Pres A (BBC1) in the 60s there was a standby recording
and model of the tower with clock showing midnight. These were in case the
Church service before midnight over-ran. They could hardly fade out the
ABofC giving his blessing. But on the year I was working, everything ran
as scheduled.
Graham.
"J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message news:is6dsf$bpq$3...@dont-email.me...
> On Wednesday, June 1st, 2011 at 22:29:58h +0100, Graham. explained:
>
>> as any schoolboy will tell you, his pronouncing of the seventh
>> planet from the sun is wrong so who can tell ;-)
>
Gnxr zr gb lbhe yrnqre.
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A recording will fool no one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chimes_of_Big_Ben
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> Take me to your leader.
Does this work?
J G Miller
> A recording will fool no one.
We all live in the village now.
Graham.
Actually the Greek came out OK with the exception of the second character
which displayed as a square.
The quoted text in my reply, as I received it, turned it into seven interrogative
marks without intervention from me.
I take it you decrypted the rest of my reply? ;-)
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"J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message news:is8t4n$lqc$2...@dont-email.me...
> On Thursday, June 2nd, 2011 at 20:45:34h +0100, Graham. explained:
>
>> A recording will fool no one.
>
> We all live in the village now.
"Here is the news and this is Alvar Lidell reading it".
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m
>
>>In article <xdjFp.451$Dk2...@newsfe04.ams2>,
>> "Brian Gaff, probably.." <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>>Yes, the guy I heard said he was told it was a computer failure, but he
>>>seemed less than convinced from his intonation.
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>--
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>>> graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
>>
>
>>It's all a bit academic nowadays, what with DAB delaying them by around
>>2.5 seconds. When I think of the fuss over them in the Overseas Services
>>in the 1960s - you inserted them manually by putting a key down: it was
>>easy to forget (and easy to forget to put it off again, thus adding an
>>extra set 15 minutes later). If you omitted one it had to be broadcast
>>15 minutes later, even if it was across programme, and if you missed a
>>pip off either end there was hell to pay as ships were using them for
>>navigation (we were told).
>
>
>>One of my colleagues was distracted because several of us were talking
>>to him, and missed two pips - the middle two... he put the key off after
>>two pips, said 'Oh shit' and put it back on again in time for the last
>>two. We all cleared out, of course. Our boss, who would normally have
>>roasted him for something like this, must have been taken aback by the
>>stupidity of it because all he said was 'Be more careful next time'.
>
>
>>Incidentally the pips did come from Greenwhich,
>
>
> from the Royal Greenwich Observatory at Hurstmonseaux in East Sussex.
> Later on , the BBC generated its own Pips
>
Sorry Charles
Back in the days when I started (1966) the move to Herstmonseaux hadn't
yet happened and the pips (negative) did come from Greenwitch (that well
known Goon show or was it ISIRTA joke where they have an observatory to
watch for the arrival of the Green Witches)
As someone has mentioned, the tone also came from GPO Dollis Hill by
line as that was the standard freqency tone source then.
(Source of tone - not TS/7 TS/10 PTS/10 of course)
Mike
m
And presumably for those silly countries with 1/2 hour time zones?
Mike
m
>
> If I remember correctly, in the analogue days, cons always used to have
> a feed of Big Ben's mics available too. You could hear the Westminster
> traffic between chimes.
>
> I can understand the first occurrence being a problem, but, if they
> _knew_ the pips weren't available, why didn't they use Big Ben instead
> for the next hour? That would have sufficed, surely?
>
> If they didn't, I assume it also is a victim of cutbacks. Anyway I can't
> be beyond the wit of whomsoever to cue a recording at the right point to
> hit the hour on the button, so-to-speak.
>
> They really are woefully disorganised and lacking in initiative these days.
And of course standing in Parliament Square, one could hear the bells on
the radio (via BH/Brookmans Park etc before digital took over) before
hearing direct down from above (something about difference between speed
of sound and leccy)
There was the line to BH and a standby to Bush (I did lines tests in the
horrid little room a few floors up the St Steven's Tower)
Mike
J G Miller
> Actually the Greek came out OK with the exception of the second
> character which displayed as a square.
That I think would tend to indicate a missing character in your font set.
> V gnxr vg lbh qrpelcgrq gur erfg bs zl ercyl?
Lrf!
J G Miller
> And presumably for those silly countries with 1/2 hour time zones?
That is a bit harsh on Newfoundland and Labrador.
I suppose you are even more extreme in your view on Nepal.
Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Samoa has announced that they
plan to move the clocks forward on December 31st, 2011, presumably
at 23:59:59h, and thus will completely miss New Year's Day.
<http://news.smh.com.AU/breaking-news-world/timezone-leap-mystifies-samoans-20110511-1eies.html>
J G Miller
> "J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message
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>> On Thursday, June 2nd, 2011 at 20:45:34h +0100, Graham. explained:
>>
>>> A recording will fool no one.
>>
>> We all live in the village now.
>
In case some readers did not understand my comment, the dialog from
The Chimes of Big Ben (alternative edition)
Number Two: Oh certainly, but both sides are becoming identical.
What in fact has been created is an international community —
perfect blueprint for world order.
When the sides facing each other suddenly realize that they're
looking into a mirror, they will see that this is the pattern
for the future.
Number Six: The whole Earth as the Village?
Number Two: That is my hope. What's yours?
With the fall of the CCCP, both sides have become identical, and with
the PRofC having beome a rampant capitalist state, they are no different
either.
> "Here is the news and this is Alvar Lidell reading it".
Are there any of them still on the run living in the hills?
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charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It's spelled "Greenwich" but the pips did not come from there, they came
> from the Royal Greenwich Observatory at Hurstmonseaux in East Sussex.
> Later on , the BBC generated its own Pips
>
Nevor check a speeling mishtake without severely chucking your speeling. It
is IIRC ( lived near there for a short while) Herstmonceux.
Where did they come from before RGO moved to Herstmonceux in 1957?
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charles
m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry Charles
> Back in the days when I started (1966) the move to Herstmonseaux hadn't
> yet happened and the pips (negative) did come from Greenwitch (that well
> known Goon show or was it ISIRTA joke where they have an observatory to
> watch for the arrival of the Green Witches)
never heard that one
> As someone has mentioned, the tone also came from GPO Dollis Hill by
> line as that was the standard freqency tone source then.
> (Source of tone - not TS/7 TS/10 PTS/10 of course)
1 kHz tone (or was is 1kc/s) was on the bays at TC (as well as 440kHz) and
also the "speaking clock", also known as TIM (although with a female
voice). Yes, I know that in London one dialed TIM to get her.
Terry Casey
06:21:26 +0100
Many years ago, I was told a story about somebody setting up/testing a link
between London and 'oop north' somewhere. At some point in the proceedings, an
argument started about the time. The discussion got more and more heated until
one of them decided to resolve the matter by sending TIM up the line.
Seconds later, he was listening to (a different) TIM sent from the other end!
Apparently there were two TIMs, one in London and the other in Liverpool IIRC
and, on this occasion, they were 40 seconds apart ...
Shortly after this, I noted an article in Wireless World, written by someone at
Thames TV, for a design to decode the time coded information inserted into MSF
transmissions ...
As I said, this was many years ago, and this was the 'fast' time code inserted
into the minute marker, the 'slow' code used today didn't come about until some
years later.
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>
> With the fall of the CCCP, both sides have become identical, and with
> the PRofC having beome a rampant capitalist state, they are no different
> either.
>
Have you listened to the 'Voice of Russia' recently (still going on
short wave)? Russia definitely does not see eye-to-eye with Uncle Sam,
even if we are all capitalists now.
Richard Tobin
alexand...@googlemail.com <alexand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Have you listened to the 'Voice of Russia' recently (still going on
>short wave)? Russia definitely does not see eye-to-eye with Uncle Sam,
>even if we are all capitalists now.
That's the nature of capitalism.
-- Richard
charles
Casey <kt...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In message <51dd64e7...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> on Fri, 03 Jun
> 2011 06:21:26 +0100 charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > In article <4DE805AC...@tiscali.co.uk>, m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As someone has mentioned, the tone also came from GPO Dollis Hill by
> > > line as that was the standard freqency tone source then. (Source of
> > > tone - not TS/7 TS/10 PTS/10 of course)
> >
> > 1 kHz tone (or was is 1kc/s) was on the bays at TC (as well as 440kHz)
> > and also the "speaking clock", also known as TIM (although with a
> > female voice). Yes, I know that in London one dialed TIM to get her.
> Many years ago, I was told a story about somebody setting up/testing a
> link between London and 'oop north' somewhere. At some point in the
> proceedings, an argument started about the time. The discussion got more
> and more heated until one of them decided to resolve the matter by
> sending TIM up the line.
> Seconds later, he was listening to (a different) TIM sent from the other
> end!
> Apparently there were two TIMs, one in London and the other in Liverpool
> IIRC and, on this occasion, they were 40 seconds apart ...
that sounds a long way - or the locing failed. Mind you, I once listened
to station TIM and someone managed to get the speaking clock in Inverness
on the phone. There was a significant delay between the two
m
Hope it wasn't 440kHz or even 440KHz nor even 440Kc/s.
The 440Hz was I believe used for BBC2 tests to keep it separate from
BBC1 (or sumting?)
The 1Kc/s tone was fed from BH by line and wasn't it something memorable
like source 100 on the mult?
Mike
Dave Plowman (News)
m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Hope it wasn't 440kHz or even 440KHz nor even 440Kc/s.
> The 440Hz was I believe used for BBC2 tests to keep it separate from
> BBC1 (or sumting?)
Thought 440 cycles per second was generally radiated by transmitters along
with the test card?
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"charles" <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:51dd64e7...@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
Her name was Pat Simmons and you dialled T-I-M in all the so-called
"director" areas, not just London.
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"J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message news:is94dr$2l7$3...@dont-email.me...
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:04:49 +0100, Graham. wrote:
>
>> "J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message
>> news:is8t4n$lqc$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On Thursday, June 2nd, 2011 at 20:45:34h +0100, Graham. explained:
>>>
>>>> A recording will fool no one.
>>>
>>> We all live in the village now.
>>
>
> In case some readers did not understand my comment, the dialog from
> The Chimes of Big Ben (alternative edition)
>
> Number Two: Oh certainly, but both sides are becoming identical.
> perfect blueprint for world order.
> When the sides facing each other suddenly realize that they're
> looking into a mirror, they will see that this is the pattern
> for the future.
>
> Number Six: The whole Earth as the Village?
>
> Number Two: That is my hope. What's yours?
>
> With the fall of the CCCP, both sides have become identical, and with
> the PRofC having beome a rampant capitalist state, they are no different
> either.
>
>> "Here is the news and this is Alvar Lidell reading it".
>
> Are there any of them still on the run living in the hills?
C'est la guerre.
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charles
S/10 PTS/10 of course)
> >
> >
> > 1 kHz tone (or was is 1kc/s) was on the bays at TC (as well as 440kHz)
> > and also the "speaking clock", also known as TIM (although with a
> > female voice). Yes, I know that in London one dialed TIM to get her.
> >
> Hope it wasn't 440kHz or even 440KHz nor even 440Kc/s.
> The 440Hz was I believe used for BBC2 tests to keep it separate from
> BBC1 (or sumting?)
> The 1Kc/s tone was fed from BH by line and wasn't it something memorable
> like source 100 on the mult?
x
yes, of course it was 440Hz - silly me. TC got it from BH. But it was
there well before BBC 2 started. I remember TIM being on the control line
routing system (but the last time I used that was in 1962), but not tone -
but that was on the desk in the network control rooms.
charles
Graham. <m...@privacy.com> wrote:
I'm pretty certain it was 952 in Edinburgh which had a director system.
m...@privacy.net
> In article <4DE8F86F...@tiscali.co.uk>,
> m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hope it wasn't 440kHz or even 440KHz nor even 440Kc/s.
> > The 440Hz was I believe used for BBC2 tests to keep it separate from
> > BBC1 (or sumting?)
>
> Thought 440 cycles per second was generally radiated by transmitters along
> with the test card?
>
The tone frequencies were different between TV networks (and radio networks)
so the lines could be identified. Can't remember chapter and verse though.
Dave Plowman (News)
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> > Thought 440 cycles per second was generally radiated by transmitters
> > along with the test card?
> >
> The tone frequencies were different between TV networks (and radio
> networks) so the lines could be identified. Can't remember chapter and
> verse though.
Yup - I remember something about that too. Did all BBC engineering types
have perfect pitch? ;-)
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> Yup - I remember something about that too. Did all BBC engineering types
> have perfect pitch? ;-)
>
I'm supposedly tone deaf, but could easily tell the difference. They were
well separated.
Dave Plowman (News)
> > Yup - I remember something about that too. Did all BBC engineering
> > types have perfect pitch? ;-)
> >
> I'm supposedly tone deaf, but could easily tell the difference. They were
> well separated.
I'm sure you could tell them apart when heard consecutively or whatever -
but could you tell which was which when heard in isolation?
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>
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important institution in this country. - John Humphrys, Radio Times
7-13/06/2003
mikeos
> On 01/06/2011 19:30, Mortimer wrote:
>> "Graham." <m...@privacy.com> wrote in message
>> news:is5vsa$cfm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> How do we know you pronounced Hurstmonseaux correctly? :p
>>
>> Especially when it's spelled Herstmonceux :-)
>
> And how few of you thought "Grinnidge" which is they way it's pronounced
> round there?
Ah, you're a local. I come from Woolidge!
Andy Champ
>
> Ah, you're a local. I come from Woolidge!
Nah. But my wife's from Welling.
Andy
Graham.
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:hGqH00Rs...@soft255.demon.co.uk...
I'll have to have a listen to find out what you mean, but I do remember
"Vietnam Fights Back" on the N American service and if Radio Moscow
wasn't left wing enough for you, there was Radio Station Peace and Progress.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
mikeos
You don't mean.............
There was a Young Lady of Welling,
Whose praise all the world was a-telling;
She played on the harp,
And caught several carp,
That accomplished Young Lady of Welling.
(Edward Lear)
Bill Wright
There was a failed prossie of Welling
Whose cunt all the world was a-smelling
She never showered
So was never deflowered
'Cos her wares were far from best selling.
Dunno why Lear didn't write them like that. I know Queen Victoria used
to read his stuff, and I'm sure she would have liked that one.
Bill
mikeos
Jerry
"Bill Wright" <bi...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:isloca$dga$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
<snip>
: There was a failed prossie of Welling
: Whose cunt all the world was a-smelling
: She never showered
: So was never deflowered
: 'Cos her wares were far from best selling.
:
That's no way to talk about your wife Bill, but at least we all
now know why you are such a frustrated old oaf, 50 year and you
still haven't held your nose and consummated your marriage!
tony sayer
<bi...@invalid.com> scribeth thus
There was a young Vampire called Mabel
Who's periods were ex'tremely stable
By the light of the moon, and with the help of a spoon
She'd drink herself under the table;)...
--
Anon..
Bill Wright
>> There was a failed prossie of Welling
>> Whose cunt all the world was a-smelling
>> She never showered
>> So was never deflowered
>> 'Cos her wares were far from best selling.
>>
>> Dunno why Lear didn't write them like that. I know Queen Victoria used
>> to read his stuff, and I'm sure she would have liked that one.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
> There was a young Vampire called Mabel
> Who's periods were ex'tremely stable
> By the light of the moon, and with the help of a spoon
> She'd drink herself under the table;)...
Any more?
Bill
tony sayer
<bi...@invalid.com> scribeth thus
No she was caught out one nite .. the stakes were rather high;!....
--
Tony Sayer
m
> In article <51DDC25A7B%brian...@lycos.co.uk>,
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>>Thought 440 cycles per second was generally radiated by transmitters
>>>along with the test card?
>>>
>>
>>The tone frequencies were different between TV networks (and radio
>>networks) so the lines could be identified. Can't remember chapter and
>>verse though.
>
>
> Yup - I remember something about that too. Did all BBC engineering types
> have perfect pitch? ;-)
>
No but many of us from the 405 line days did have 10.125Kc/s "notch
filters" in our hearing systems from the line timebase.
I guess the change to 15.625Kc/s 625 line timebase kept us going till we
all got too old to hear even that!
Mike
(Have I forgotten my Evesham notes on the exact frequencies?)
Terry Casey
No. Bang on!
In the days of asynchronous transmission, receiver manufacturers took advantage
of the mains locked sync to skimp in the smoothing area. Being fixed, any
residual hum effects, within reasonable limits, were invisible to the viewer.
In those days (well) before portable cameras, of course, anything that couldn't
be shot in the studio (OBs excepted, of course) was shot on film. When the sync
source was switched from mains to incoming telecine syncs shortly before one of
these inserts appeared in a live programme, any hum effects would briefly
become visible until lock was achieved again.
The effect varied from one make of receiver to another - one, I recall, made
figures on the scene mime a belly dance!
Many times I have been sitting reading with my back to the TV, when the change
from a stable 10.125kHz suddenly became clearly audible as it was no longer in
the "notch". Instinctively I would glance round at the TV and my mum would ask
"How did you know that was going to happen?"
It was useless trying to explain as even with her ear virtually inside the back
of the set, she couldn't hear the timebase whistle!
--
Terry
charles
m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <51DDC25A7B%brian...@lycos.co.uk>,
> > <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >>>Thought 440 cycles per second was generally radiated by transmitters
> >>>along with the test card?
> >>>
> >>
> >>The tone frequencies were different between TV networks (and radio
> >>networks) so the lines could be identified. Can't remember chapter and
> >>verse though.
> >
> >
> > Yup - I remember something about that too. Did all BBC engineering types
> > have perfect pitch? ;-)
> >
> No but many of us from the 405 line days did have 10.125Kc/s "notch
> filters" in our hearing systems from the line timebase.
the notch filter vanished due to disuse. I discovered this when getting
involved in an archive 405 playback. The 10kHz was very loud.
> I guess the change to 15.625Kc/s 625 line timebase kept us going till we
> all got too old to hear even that!
Nowadays I have a 60dB notch at 4.5kHz - no idea how that arrived - same on
both ears.
> Mike
> (Have I forgotten my Evesham notes on the exact frequencies?)
--
charles
Casey <kt...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In the days of asynchronous transmission, receiver manufacturers took
> advantage of the mains locked sync to skimp in the smoothing area. Being
> fixed, any residual hum effects, within reasonable limits, were
> invisible to the viewer.
> In those days (well) before portable cameras, of course, anything that
> couldn't be shot in the studio (OBs excepted, of course) was shot on
> film. When the sync source was switched from mains to incoming telecine
> syncs shortly before one of these inserts appeared in a live programme,
> any hum effects would briefly become visible until lock was achieved
> again.
That doesn't make sense. The telecine would have had mains derived syncs,
too. What you might have heard is a rephasing of the station syncs, via
"Genlock" when the station locked itself to incoming (external signal).
That, at least, was BBC practice.
m
>
> In the days of asynchronous transmission, receiver manufacturers took advantage
> of the mains locked sync to skimp in the smoothing area. Being fixed, any
> residual hum effects, within reasonable limits, were invisible to the viewer.
>
> In those days (well) before portable cameras, of course, anything that couldn't
> be shot in the studio (OBs excepted, of course) was shot on film. When the sync
> source was switched from mains to incoming telecine syncs shortly before one of
> these inserts appeared in a live programme, any hum effects would briefly
> become visible until lock was achieved again.
>
> The effect varied from one make of receiver to another - one, I recall, made
> figures on the scene mime a belly dance!
>
> Many times I have been sitting reading with my back to the TV, when the change
> from a stable 10.125kHz suddenly became clearly audible as it was no longer in
> the "notch". Instinctively I would glance round at the TV and my mum would ask
> "How did you know that was going to happen?"
>
> It was useless trying to explain as even with her ear virtually inside the back
> of the set, she couldn't hear the timebase whistle!
>
And of course N Ireland was plagued with hum bars as it's grid wasn't at
that time locked to the UK.
OBs were locked using a "locking box" which derived 6.3v from a heater
transformer and was installed in the nearest GPO exchange and the AC fed
down a copper line to the OB to lock the mobile generators.
Then came Natlock and Genlock of course and icelock which was reference
information for a particular OB site fed over the ITS (Insertion Test
Signal) on network.
All down to synchronisers now of course - and Redb still can't stop the
frame bump at the start of the commercials (sorry trails) at the end of
programmes.
Rant over!
Mike
m...@privacy.net
m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> No but many of us from the 405 line days did have 10.125Kc/s "notch
> filters" in our hearing systems from the line timebase.
> I guess the change to 15.625Kc/s 625 line timebase kept us going till we
> all got too old to hear even that!
I was surprised how quickly the 10.125kHz notch disappeared. Unfortunately
the 15.625kHz notch has now also disappeared, together with most frequencies
above about 3kHz.
m...@privacy.net
m <mi...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> And of course N Ireland was plagued with hum bars as it's grid wasn't at
> that time locked to the UK.
And R1 had an LF beat between the two grids, most noticable with the
compression introduced at the transmitter. In spec unweighted noise was only
24 dB down on lineup as radiated.
Terry Casey
21:55:08 +0100
Apologies if I didn't explain it clearly - that is exactly what I meant. My
error in saying "when the sync source was switched" which is completely
confusing in this context! Perhaps I should have said the source to which the
syncs were locked ...
The point being that, for a brief period, the line frequency changed while the
rephasing took place.
--
Terry
Zero Tolerance
>All down to synchronisers now of course - and Redb still can't stop the
>frame bump at the start of the commercials (sorry trails) at the end of
>programmes.
I think it's "won't" rather than "can't".
"Oh no, sir, we charge DVE time in 30 second increments, if you want
it all day long that'll be 2880 rentals at £195 per half-minute..."
... is how I imagine those conversations go.
--
Graham.
I've been thinking.
Wouldn't the "pips" be appreciated more if they were played out in iambic pentameter?
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%