OT. Setting a Peugeot Radio/CD for RDS

[David]

Need help.

I have a Peugeot Jan 2011 308SW Sport, anyone got one or maybe just a
Peugeot help me with my RDS settings please.
When I leave home tuned to my local BBC radio station and drive a long way
and pass into another area it does not change to the new areas local
station.
I also not getting Traffic announcements from other BBC stations
interrupting.
The terminology on the Menus not registering with me, I'm a bit lost looking
at the manual too.
Thanks
David

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <jl2it8$j0v$1...@dont-email.me>, David <david...@tesco.net>
writes:

For the traffic bits, look for something on the display (if an LCD one)
like "TP" or "TA", and see if one of the buttons toggles it on or off.

For autoswitching, I don't know if RDS _does_ do switching between local
stations; I know it will switch from, say, one R4 transmitter to
another, but not if it does switching between _different_ local
stations.
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prolong!" - Monty Python

[tony sayer]

In article <GkIRUZNr...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus

>In message <jl2it8$j0v$1...@dont-email.me>, David <david...@tesco.net>
>writes:
>>Need help.
>>
>>I have a Peugeot Jan 2011 308SW Sport, anyone got one or maybe just a
>>Peugeot help me with my RDS settings please.
>>When I leave home tuned to my local BBC radio station and drive a long
>>way and pass into another area it does not change to the new areas
>>local station.
>>I also not getting Traffic announcements from other BBC stations
>>interrupting.
>>The terminology on the Menus not registering with me, I'm a bit lost
>>looking at the manual too.
>>Thanks
>>David
>
>For the traffic bits, look for something on the display (if an LCD one)
>like "TP" or "TA", and see if one of the buttons toggles it on or off.
>
>For autoswitching, I don't know if RDS _does_ do switching between local
>stations; I know it will switch from, say, one R4 transmitter to
>another, but not if it does switching between _different_ local
>stations.

Good point that having never listened to BBC local radio for long enough
on long journeys. I don't think it does or will.

After all it is likely to switch between transmitters in marginal areas
and whilst on the national services the same prog is being carried so it
won't notice, with Local radio it will...
--
Tony Sayer

[David]

My previous car when tuned to Radio Leeds if going on the M62 west as I went
over the top would changed to R. Lancs.
If going east change to R. Humberside or R. York.

This stays with R. Leeds and finishes with nothing.

Traffic announcements on Radio 2 would interrupt.

Regards
David

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:53:20 +0100, David wrote:

> My previous car when tuned to Radio Leeds if going on the M62 west as I
> went over the top would changed to R. Lancs. If going east change to R.
> Humberside or R. York.
>
> This stays with R. Leeds and finishes with nothing.

Does this set have Enhanced Other Network (EON)?

> Traffic announcements on Radio 2 would interrupt.

Didn't think TA worked that way round. Local stations interupting any
other source but not national stations interupting unless tuned in
but listening to CD/Cassette etc.

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Cheers
Dave.

[Bill Wright]

Where's Mr Carver when you need him?

Bill

[David]

Found the TA on/off.
Wasn't on the main Menus but the option came if I pressed OK when tuned to
my local BBC station.
Thank you all for the help.
Regards
David

[J G Miller]

On Friday, March 30th, 2012, at 19:35:45h +0100, Bill Wright asked:

> Where's Mr Carver when you need him?

At The Carvery?

--

"Our all you can eat Carvery is intended to be consumed in
the restaurant and not all you can take home."

[Bill Wright]

J G Miller wrote:
> On Friday, March 30th, 2012, at 19:35:45h +0100, Bill Wright asked:
>
>> Where's Mr Carver when you need him?
>
> At The Carvery?
>

Well he does live in Braisingsteak.

Bill

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:35:45 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> My previous car when tuned to Radio Leeds if going on the M62 west as I
>>> went over the top would changed to R. Lancs. If going east change to R.
>>> Humberside or R. York.
>>>
>>> This stays with R. Leeds and finishes with nothing.
>>
>> Does this set have Enhanced Other Network (EON)?
>>
>>> Traffic announcements on Radio 2 would interrupt.

No they wouldn't.

>> Didn't think TA worked that way round. Local stations interupting any
>> other source but not national stations interupting unless tuned in
>> but listening to CD/Cassette etc.

BBC national stations don't raise TA and therefore don't interrupt anything.

> Where's Mr Carver when you need him?

Galivanting off somewhere round the world probably.

[Bill Wright]

Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

>> Where's Mr Carver when you need him?
>
> Galivanting off somewhere round the world probably.

He's gone very quiet. Could be in a cooking pot with some onions. He
gets to some dodgy places.

He's a sort of modern day Alan Whicker isn't he?

Bill

[MB]

On 31/03/2012 00:58, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> BBC national stations don't raise TA and therefore don't interrupt anything.

Careful, you will upset anyone from BBC Glasgow (or Cardiff) with that
statement. They like to think of Radio Scotland as a national station!

[Paul Ratcliffe]

OK, I meant national as in covering the whole of the UK rather than just
an individual nation. You missed NI as well.

[Bill Wright]

I'm pleased to report that Mr Carver is alive and well, but temporarily
inconvenienced. He will re-join our august assembly as soon as he is able.

Bill

[Mike Brown]

On 30/03/2012 21:00, David wrote:
> Found the TA on/off.
> Wasn't on the main Menus but the option came if I pressed OK when tuned
> to my local BBC station.

Your RDS radio may auto-follow BBC local stations if you switch the
REGional function. How/if you can do that on your particular set I will
have to leave for you to discover.

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mb

[David]

Yes I know where that setting is, it can be Deactivated or Activated.
So if I activate that is correct?
Regards
David



"Mike Brown" wrote in message news:jl7fla$sf0$1...@dont-email.me...

[Mike Brown]

On 31/03/2012 21:02, David wrote:
> Yes I know where that setting is, it can be Deactivated or Activated.
> So if I activate that is correct?

Try it and see. :-)

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mb

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <jl9hn0$ffg$1...@dont-email.me>, Mike Brown <use...@mb21.co.uk>
writes:

... while listening at a peak TA time - drive time in the evening
probably. Otherwise you might have a long wait for a TA (though they're
usually at least hourly even out of busy periods - or am I wrong about
that? [I know that later they do tend to be one station covering several
stations' areas when not busy, at night at least.])

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you've got to keep someone there who's going to make the cake. Here we always
destroy the people who make the cake. - Michael Caine (MM), RT, 7-13 Nov 2009.

[David]

Since I went into the individual setting of button 3, my local BBC radio and
set the TA and Radio Text on when tuned to Radio 2 last night twice local
stations broke in.
I'm not sure on the Regional Activate/Inactivate I will have to wait until I
do a run out of this area tuned to my local BBC station and see if it
changes to others along the way. If it does all is well, if not on return
journey will reverse that setting.
It is a shame non of you driving Peugeot, guess non of you like the French,
LOL
Thanks
David






"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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[Mark Carver]

David wrote:
> Since I went into the individual setting of button 3, my local BBC radio
> and set the TA and Radio Text on when tuned to Radio 2 last night twice
> local stations broke in.
> I'm not sure on the Regional Activate/Inactivate I will have to wait
> until I do a run out of this area tuned to my local BBC station and see
> if it changes to others along the way. If it does all is well, if not on
> return journey will reverse that setting.
> It is a shame non of you driving Peugeot, guess non of you like the
> French, LOL

I've got a Peugeot, 2008 407. Its radio seems more user friendly than yours
though. For starters it has a front panel, TA button.

The menus for setting REG on and off, are rather non intuitive though.

The BBC changed their RDS PI codes on local radio a couple of years ago,
deliberately to prevent the switching to an alternative BBC Local station,
should you drive out of the area.

I used to press my BBC Berks preset when in Essex, and get BBC Essex instantly.
That no longer happens.

This BBC FAQ explains why (sort of !)

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/content/articles/2009/03/18/rds_changes_frequently_asked_questions_feature.shtml>


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[rab...@gmail.com]

Peugeot have problems with TA on their latest models. I have a new 508 and at first the traffic information would not work until a software update was done but 6 months down the line the traffic announcements still do not work when tuned to BBC 1,2,3 or 4. I have had huge rows with them and at last they are saying that as more people are complaining they are looking into it I France. All very frustrating.
Bob

[Mark Carver]

On 16/09/2014 10:50, rab...@gmail.com wrote:
> Peugeot have problems with TA on their latest models. I have a new 508 and at first the traffic information would not work until a software update was done but 6 months down the line the traffic announcements still do not work when tuned to BBC 1,2,3 or 4. I have had huge rows with them and at last they are saying that as more people are complaining they are looking into it I France. All very frustrating.

I'm getting a new 308 soon, thanks for the warning !! Does your radio
have DAB as well, if so, does that work properly ?

Amazing, the RDS spec is over 20 years old, and some manufacturers still
can't get it right, even if they could on previous incarnations !!

[NY]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:c7qfqd...@mid.individual.net...

I'd be interested to know how your find the dashboard layout on the 308 with
the instruments viewed *above* rather than *through* the steering wheel.
When I looked at one while killing time in the showroom when my old-shape
308 was being fixed, I found that I couldn't set the steering wheel low
enough to see all parts of the instrument panel without the wheel digging
into my thighs.

[Mark Carver]

On 16/09/2014 11:33, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

> I'd be interested to know how your find the dashboard layout on the 308
> with the instruments viewed *above* rather than *through* the steering
> wheel. When I looked at one while killing time in the showroom when my
> old-shape 308 was being fixed, I found that I couldn't set the steering
> wheel low enough to see all parts of the instrument panel without the
> wheel digging into my thighs.

I've mentioned this to my Brother in Law (who works for Peugeot HQ) he
says people find it strange, and the press have taken a dislike, but
when set correctly for an individual, folk like it after a few days.

I'll give it a go, it's a lease car, so I've only got to live with it
for 12 mths, or 9k miles (which ever comes first )

[David]

On 16/09/2014 11:33, NY wrote:

I have A Peugeot 308SW 2012 and I have been unable to get the RDS to
work how I would like it to be, when I asked on the Forums I was told
the BBC do not broadcast the data they used to thus my not being able to
get traveling radio as in the old days.
My problem is that it does not change to the next local station as I
travel along the motorways. I have to press Search to get another local
as I drive out range of the tuned one, not a good thing to have to do on
a busy high speed motor, so I tend to press the memory button of Radio 2
which does fortunate change to best transmitter.
So I only suggest before continuing complaining to Peugoet you establish
the Broadcaster is actually sending the information out you require.
Regards
David

[Mark Carver]

On 16/09/2014 11:57, David wrote:

> My problem is that it does not change to the next local station as I
> travel along the motorways.

No, it's not supposed to any more, as explained in great detail recently
in here (or was it uk.dig.tv)

> So I only suggest before continuing complaining to Peugoet you establish
> the Broadcaster is actually sending the information out you require.

There's nothing wrong with the BBC's TA/EON data, works fine on my car
radio (earlier Peugeot model)

[Mark Carver]

On 16/09/2014 11:33, NY wrote:

> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

>> I'm getting a new 308 soon, thanks for the warning !! Does your radio
>> have DAB as well, if so, does that work properly ?
>>
>> Amazing, the RDS spec is over 20 years old, and some manufacturers
>> still can't get it right, even if they could on previous incarnations !!
>
> I'd be interested to know how your find the dashboard layout on the 308
> with the instruments viewed *above* rather than *through* the steering
> wheel. When I looked at one while killing time in the showroom when my
> old-shape 308 was being fixed, I found that I couldn't set the steering
> wheel low enough to see all parts of the instrument panel without the
> wheel digging into my thighs.

Well I got the 308 this weekend. I like it.

Yes, the steering wheel position is a bit odd, but I got used to it very
quickly. I raised the steering wheel so it doesn't contact my legs, and
I can see all of the instrument panel above it. It's the first
car I've driven where I've not had to push the driver's seat all the way
back. (I'm 6ft and half an inch tall). It's also got a 230 volt/50Hz/120
watt power socket in the rear seat area!

Now the on topic stuff:-

On the FM side, colour icons appear for the national radio stations,
(how on earth does it get those !?) The tuner is rather too sensitive
for its own good, has to be pointed at our local relay, because it’s
perfectly happy tuned to Oxford or Rowridge in town,
and leaving the town, it clings hold of the relay for bleeding miles !
It’s got two FM tuners, because with TA activated (regrettably buried
three layers into the menu) I get Heart FM jumping in with travel news
on BBC stations.

BBC National DAB mux is solid driving around north Hampshire, even
in most of Alton (except the High St), Indoor DAB portables in a part of
the town I regularly visit refuse to see anything. Curiously the stereo
image on R2 is far better than FM’s, (even when there’s max FM signal).

Although the manual mentions DAB to FM handover, that option appears to
be greyed out on the menu, which is a shame,

TA announcements still burst in on DAB, from BBC and ILR FM transmitters
(presumably the FM tuner(s) remain active sniffing the band for TA flags)

You can have a mixture of FM, DAB, and AM stations stored on the large
touch screen, which is very civilised

[NY]

"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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> On 16/09/2014 11:33, NY wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>>> I'm getting a new 308 soon, thanks for the warning !! Does your radio
>>> have DAB as well, if so, does that work properly ?
>>>
>>> Amazing, the RDS spec is over 20 years old, and some manufacturers
>>> still can't get it right, even if they could on previous incarnations !!
>>
>> I'd be interested to know how your find the dashboard layout on the 308
>> with the instruments viewed *above* rather than *through* the steering
>> wheel. When I looked at one while killing time in the showroom when my
>> old-shape 308 was being fixed, I found that I couldn't set the steering
>> wheel low enough to see all parts of the instrument panel without the
>> wheel digging into my thighs.
>
> Well I got the 308 this weekend. I like it.
>
> Yes, the steering wheel position is a bit odd, but I got used to it very
> quickly. I raised the steering wheel so it doesn't contact my legs, and I
> can see all of the instrument panel above it. It's the first
> car I've driven where I've not had to push the driver's seat all the way
> back. (I'm 6ft and half an inch tall). It's also got a 230 volt/50Hz/120
> watt power socket in the rear seat area!

A mains socket (ie a built-in mains inverter) is very useful. I bought a
free-standing one from Halfords which plugs into the cigar lighter, and the
contact is very intermittent: if you so much as look at it, it emits a
piercing bleep as it cuts out or switches back on. Trying to persuade it to
stay on takes a lot of effort - and is not something you want to attempt
while driving :-(

I'm interested that you were able to adjust the steering wheel so the bottom
of it didn't dig into your thighs and yet the top of it didn't obscure the
bottom 1/3 of the speedo. Maybe the seat on the car that I sat in was
height-adjustable and had been wound up high. But I like to have my seat
fairly high so I stand a fighting chance of seeing the front end of the car
(especially the wings when parallel parking) - and I'm 5' 10" so only a
couple of inches shorter than you.

I wish when I'd bought my Mark 1 308 it had come with an option to have the
same sports seats that my previous 306 had. Both my wife and I find that the
seats on the 308 (even the Sport model) don't provide anywhere near as much
lumbar and side support. I wonder if the Mark 2 308 is any better. Maybe
I'll test drive one.

[Mark Carver]

On 29/09/2014 20:38, NY wrote:
>
> I'm interested that you were able to adjust the steering wheel so the
> bottom of it didn't dig into your thighs and yet the top of it didn't
> obscure the bottom 1/3 of the speedo. Maybe the seat on the car that I
> sat in was height-adjustable and had been wound up high. But I like to
> have my seat fairly high so I stand a fighting chance of seeing the
> front end of the car (especially the wings when parallel parking) - and
> I'm 5' 10" so only a couple of inches shorter than you.

Yes, that's a good point. It's got a rear reversing camera, which is
just as well, because you can see bugger all through the back window.

I had a 3008 before this, and I do miss the really high ride height,
and double deck boot. I've not attempted any parallel parking with it
yet, let's see how I get on with that, because I am sat very low (not
quite like an F1 driver, but after a year of the 3008 it feels like it !)

> I wish when I'd bought my Mark 1 308 it had come with an option to have
> the same sports seats that my previous 306 had. Both my wife and I find
> that the seats on the 308 (even the Sport model) don't provide anywhere
> near as much lumbar and side support. I wonder if the Mark 2 308 is any
> better. Maybe I'll test drive one.

I think you should ;-)

[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:

> Yes, the steering wheel position is a bit odd, but I got used to it very
> quickly. I raised the steering wheel so it doesn't contact my legs, and
> I can see all of the instrument panel above it. It's the first
> car I've driven where I've not had to push the driver's seat all the way
> back.

Strangely our little Volvo has a driver's seat that goes back much
further than my (quite long) longs need, but in my bog-standard Transit
I have the seat all the way back!

When my dad was much younger he was almost my height, but when he drove
my car he had to slide the seat forward because he had short legs and a
long body. So he'd have the seat forward and his head would touch the roof.

(I'm 6ft and half an inch tall). It's also got a 230 volt/50Hz/120
> watt power socket in the rear seat area!

I wonder who will be the first customer to try an electric kettle?

> Now the on topic stuff:-
>
> On the FM side, colour icons appear for the national radio stations,
> (how on earth does it get those !?) The tuner is rather too sensitive

The aerial is what? A lump on the roof?

> for its own good, has to be pointed at our local relay, because it’s
> perfectly happy tuned to Oxford or Rowridge in town,
> and leaving the town, it clings hold of the relay for bleeding miles !

I wonder what the adjacent channel rejection is like?

> It’s got two FM tuners, because with TA activated (regrettably buried
> three layers into the menu) I get Heart FM jumping in with travel news
> on BBC stations.
>
> BBC National DAB mux is solid driving around north Hampshire, even
> in most of Alton (except the High St), Indoor DAB portables in a part of
> the town I regularly visit refuse to see anything. Curiously the stereo
> image on R2 is far better than FM’s, (even when there’s max FM signal).
>
> Although the manual mentions DAB to FM handover, that option appears to
> be greyed out on the menu, which is a shame,

Mark, doesn't that Sony I have do that? I seem to think it does but I
turned it off in the end because it was annoying. Or I could be
remembering that Blaupunct I had.

>
> TA announcements still burst in on DAB, from BBC and ILR FM transmitters
> (presumably the FM tuner(s) remain active sniffing the band for TA flags)
>
> You can have a mixture of FM, DAB, and AM stations stored on the large
> touch screen, which is very civilised
>

What's the audio control like? On the Volvo it's necessary to reduce the
bass to -1, otherwise the jingles on the BBC locals for weather etc make
a dreadful thumping noise.

Bill

[Mark Carver]

On 30/09/2014 01:51, Bill Wright wrote:
>>
>> On the FM side, colour icons appear for the national radio stations,
>> (how on earth does it get those !?) The tuner is rather too sensitive
>
> The aerial is what? A lump on the roof?

No, a 300 mm whip on the roof, with I think a loading coil in the base

>> for its own good, has to be pointed at our local relay, because it�s

>> perfectly happy tuned to Oxford or Rowridge in town,
>> and leaving the town, it clings hold of the relay for bleeding miles !
>
> I wonder what the adjacent channel rejection is like?

Extremely good. It was perfectly happy tuned to Radio 3 Guildford on
90.3, as I drove past the Basingstoke relay, pushing out Radio 2 on 90.1.

Of course the point is, the RDS should have sused out that R3
Basingstoke was a far better bet !!

>> Although the manual mentions DAB to FM handover, that option appears
>> to be greyed out on the menu, which is a shame,
>
> Mark, doesn't that Sony I have do that? I seem to think it does but I
> turned it off in the end because it was annoying. Or I could be
> remembering that Blaupunct I had.

That Sony of yours certainly does it,

> What's the audio control like? On the Volvo it's necessary to reduce the
> bass to -1, otherwise the jingles on the BBC locals for weather etc make
> a dreadful thumping noise.

BBC DAB seems far less 'bassy' than the FM versions, most of the
commercial stations sound bloody awful on both platforms. I've decided
to make DAB the default platform, so I've actually had to increase
the bass setting slightly above '0' (for the first time in years !)

[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:

>I've decided
> to make DAB the default platform,

You'll have the anti-DAB fascists issuing you with death threats!

Bill

[Mark Carver]

On 29/09/2014 20:13, Mark Carver wrote:

>
> Although the manual mentions DAB to FM handover, that option appears to
> be greyed out on the menu, which is a shame,

Except, I've discovered, it comes alive for Classic FM and regional ILR,
Wave 105. DAB to FM handover (and back) works very well, but so far
only for those two stations. I suspect it matches the FM RDS PS name,
with the equivalent on DAB. Those two stations, seem to be the only two
in my area where the PS codes *exactly* match. There's no chance for BBC
stations, FM PS 'BBC R2', DAB PS 'BBC Radio 2', so as far as the radio
is concerned no match.

> TA announcements still burst in on DAB, from BBC and ILR FM transmitters
> (presumably the FM tuner(s) remain active sniffing the band for TA flags)

However, and this confirms the OP's original point. I'm pretty sure BBC
EON TA switching does not work, in fact I think the radio totally
ignores EON, period. National radio presets don't update themselves in
the background. Example; I drive from location A to location B, with
Radio 2 all the way, and then hit the Radio 4 preset, it's still on the
R4 freq at location A.

When I do get BBC traffic announcements, they are already in progress,
which indicates the primitive method of the second tuner scanning for
a flag.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <m0cuqv$vt7$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<bi...@invalid.com> writes:
[]

>What's the audio control like? On the Volvo it's necessary to reduce
>the bass to -1, otherwise the jingles on the BBC locals for weather etc
>make a dreadful thumping noise.
>
>Bill

I don't think that's anything to do with the equipment you're listening
on ... (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If it's not on fire, it's a software problem.