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Dave Liquorice
Nov 18, 2014, 4:13:03 AM11/18/14
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All the recent mention of SW4 has made me think that all(?) the ex
BBC OB trucks now ex Sis have been scattered to the winds. Anyone
know which winds caught which trucks? Same for the ex Arqiva trucks.
I know Cloudbass have (some?) ex Arqiva and SiS. CTV some ex SiS. Did
Arena, Visions, Telegenic pick up any?
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Cheers
Dave.
BBC OB trucks now ex Sis have been scattered to the winds. Anyone
know which winds caught which trucks? Same for the ex Arqiva trucks.
I know Cloudbass have (some?) ex Arqiva and SiS. CTV some ex SiS. Did
Arena, Visions, Telegenic pick up any?
--
Cheers
Dave.
Stephen Wolstenholme
Nov 18, 2014, 4:43:11 AM11/18/14
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What's SW4?
Steve
Steve
Dave Liquorice
Nov 18, 2014, 5:28:06 AM11/18/14
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:43:09 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> What's SW4?
BBC Bristol's Outside Broadcast truck up until late 1992. "South West
4". It was a type 7, I doubt it still exists.
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Cheers
Dave.
> What's SW4?
BBC Bristol's Outside Broadcast truck up until late 1992. "South West
4". It was a type 7, I doubt it still exists.
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Cheers
Dave.
Brian Gaff
Nov 18, 2014, 6:23:33 AM11/18/14
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When you look at what the teams in the us seem to get away with, ie some
kind of SUV with tech inside, it does make one wonder about outside
broadcasting generally.
Brian
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kind of SUV with tech inside, it does make one wonder about outside
broadcasting generally.
Brian
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Dave Liquorice
Nov 18, 2014, 6:58:03 AM11/18/14
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:23:34 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
> When you look at what the teams in the us seem to get away with, ie some
> kind of SUV with tech inside, it does make one wonder about outside
> broadcasting generally.
Those sort of things exist over here but it's a bit tricky doing more
> When you look at what the teams in the us seem to get away with, ie some
> kind of SUV with tech inside, it does make one wonder about outside
> broadcasting generally.
than two or three cameras in such a vehicle. A "small" OB truck these
days will handle around 12 cameras and probably be able to iso record
each one to a few EVS's for instant editing/playback/slomo.
Bear in mind that "basic" football match coverage these days is eight
cameras.
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charles
Nov 18, 2014, 7:03:22 AM11/18/14
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In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>,
he'll now want to know what a "type 7" is.
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Mark Carver
Nov 18, 2014, 8:10:47 AM11/18/14
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Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
MB
Nov 18, 2014, 12:30:44 PM11/18/14
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registered, SORN or no record now. Of course it does not tell you
whether it has been modified.
Dave Liquorice
Nov 18, 2014, 2:28:03 PM11/18/14
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:30:44 +0000, MB wrote:
>>> What's SW4?
>>
>> BBC Bristol's Outside Broadcast truck up until late 1992. "South
West
>> 4". It was a type 7, I doubt it still exists.
>
> I think if you know the registration then you can check online whether
> registered, SORN or no record now. Of course it does not tell you
> whether it has been modified.
It would be pushing 30 years years old now, museum or enthusiasts
>>> What's SW4?
>>
>> BBC Bristol's Outside Broadcast truck up until late 1992. "South
West
>> 4". It was a type 7, I doubt it still exists.
>
> I think if you know the registration then you can check online whether
> registered, SORN or no record now. Of course it does not tell you
> whether it has been modified.
piece. Registration haven't a clue, might have a photo that may have
the reg in by accident but that's a very slim chance.
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Cheers
Dave.
Unknown
Nov 21, 2014, 11:25:55 AM11/21/14
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Visions purchased Arqiva OB1 and OB2 (their two articulated HD trucks), then
renamed them as HD9 and HD11
Since then one had a large amount of spit and polish applied (exterior
respray + interior wall carpets replaced with padded vinyl, and a new LCD
prod stack), along with renaming it to Horizon (a joke in itself, as the top
part of the Z sticker fell off, renaming it HoriLon!). The refit was for the
BBC to use it for the Proms. All other internals are as were.
Clownpaste purchased Arqiva OB 7 (a small rigid chassis, with a well spec'd
HD interior), along with a couple of lesser spec'd (SD) 'less good'
vehicles, and the Antiques Rogueshow contract.
The larger joke was that Arqiva group (based in Winchester) did not even
know what their Nottingham branch did, other than it was not making quite so
much money as their transmitter networks and satellites! So they closed it.
SiS trucks did not fare so well. The underlying fact that none of the other
big (now) four wouldn't touch their trucks with a barge pole, owing to the
fact they were either ancient BBC stock, ruined 021 stock, or undesirable
new build. So much so even Boredclarts ran a story saying "sales were slow".
Clownpaste (in their infinite wisdom) purchased the leviathon (sorry, can
not recall the name. The one with the 'fall out' windows) which requires the
accompanying truck with all its internals.
'Rumour' is NEP Cymru is closing, with all stock traversing the M4 to
Bracknell.
As a result BBC Wales purchased one SiS truck (do not know which).
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:cd0uql...@mid.individual.net...
renamed them as HD9 and HD11
Since then one had a large amount of spit and polish applied (exterior
respray + interior wall carpets replaced with padded vinyl, and a new LCD
prod stack), along with renaming it to Horizon (a joke in itself, as the top
part of the Z sticker fell off, renaming it HoriLon!). The refit was for the
BBC to use it for the Proms. All other internals are as were.
Clownpaste purchased Arqiva OB 7 (a small rigid chassis, with a well spec'd
HD interior), along with a couple of lesser spec'd (SD) 'less good'
vehicles, and the Antiques Rogueshow contract.
The larger joke was that Arqiva group (based in Winchester) did not even
know what their Nottingham branch did, other than it was not making quite so
much money as their transmitter networks and satellites! So they closed it.
SiS trucks did not fare so well. The underlying fact that none of the other
big (now) four wouldn't touch their trucks with a barge pole, owing to the
fact they were either ancient BBC stock, ruined 021 stock, or undesirable
new build. So much so even Boredclarts ran a story saying "sales were slow".
Clownpaste (in their infinite wisdom) purchased the leviathon (sorry, can
not recall the name. The one with the 'fall out' windows) which requires the
accompanying truck with all its internals.
'Rumour' is NEP Cymru is closing, with all stock traversing the M4 to
Bracknell.
As a result BBC Wales purchased one SiS truck (do not know which).
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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charles
Nov 21, 2014, 1:36:25 PM11/21/14
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In article <mp6dnUIhxN0P-vLJ...@brightview.co.uk>, Unknown
supply was privatised, the suits looked at each department and noted that
Maintenance cost money. So they closed it. Then there was a big storm.
Some places had to wait 6 months for the supply to come back.
Freelancer <:null:> wrote:
> Visions purchased Arqiva OB1 and OB2 (their two articulated HD trucks),
> then renamed them as HD9 and HD11
> Since then one had a large amount of spit and polish applied (exterior
> respray + interior wall carpets replaced with padded vinyl, and a new LCD
> prod stack), along with renaming it to Horizon (a joke in itself, as the
> top part of the Z sticker fell off, renaming it HoriLon!). The refit was
> for the BBC to use it for the Proms. All other internals are as were.
> Clownpaste purchased Arqiva OB 7 (a small rigid chassis, with a well
> spec'd HD interior), along with a couple of lesser spec'd (SD) 'less
> good' vehicles, and the Antiques Rogueshow contract.
> The larger joke was that Arqiva group (based in Winchester) did not even
> know what their Nottingham branch did, other than it was not making quite
> so much money as their transmitter networks and satellites! So they
> closed it.
Sounds like a tale told to me by a New Zealander. After the electricity
> Visions purchased Arqiva OB1 and OB2 (their two articulated HD trucks),
> then renamed them as HD9 and HD11
> Since then one had a large amount of spit and polish applied (exterior
> respray + interior wall carpets replaced with padded vinyl, and a new LCD
> prod stack), along with renaming it to Horizon (a joke in itself, as the
> top part of the Z sticker fell off, renaming it HoriLon!). The refit was
> for the BBC to use it for the Proms. All other internals are as were.
> Clownpaste purchased Arqiva OB 7 (a small rigid chassis, with a well
> spec'd HD interior), along with a couple of lesser spec'd (SD) 'less
> good' vehicles, and the Antiques Rogueshow contract.
> The larger joke was that Arqiva group (based in Winchester) did not even
> know what their Nottingham branch did, other than it was not making quite
> so much money as their transmitter networks and satellites! So they
> closed it.
supply was privatised, the suits looked at each department and noted that
Maintenance cost money. So they closed it. Then there was a big storm.
Some places had to wait 6 months for the supply to come back.
Mark Carver
Nov 21, 2014, 2:29:12 PM11/21/14
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On 21/11/2014 16:25, Unknown Freelancer wrote:
> The larger joke was that Arqiva group (based in Winchester) did not even
> know what their Nottingham branch did, other than it was not making quite so
> much money as their transmitter networks and satellites! So they closed it.
It was always a strange acquisition (buying Scanners (the OB facilities
> The larger joke was that Arqiva group (based in Winchester) did not even
> know what their Nottingham branch did, other than it was not making quite so
> much money as their transmitter networks and satellites! So they closed it.
company)), I didn't realise it was actually NTL that bought them back in
2000, which of course subsequently morphed into Arqiva.
<http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/ntl-confirms-it-is-taking-over-ob-firm-scanners/1202667.article>
MB
Nov 21, 2014, 3:15:13 PM11/21/14
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On 21/11/2014 18:24, charles wrote:
> Sounds like a tale told to me by a New Zealander. After the electricity
> supply was privatised, the suits looked at each department and noted that
> Maintenance cost money. So they closed it. Then there was a big storm.
> Some places had to wait 6 months for the supply to come back.
Wasn't there a similar story told about BBC Valve Section? A lot of
> Sounds like a tale told to me by a New Zealander. After the electricity
> supply was privatised, the suits looked at each department and noted that
> Maintenance cost money. So they closed it. Then there was a big storm.
> Some places had to wait 6 months for the supply to come back.
spares sold (probably for peanuts) then some years later when things
started to fail, they had to source new stock at very high cost.
It's a common problem with suits / bean counters. They value spares,
test equipment etc at the original purchase price plus inflation and the
location holding the spares is charged some ridiculously high figure for
having the spares. So they are disposed of, often as scrap.
charles
Nov 21, 2014, 3:38:23 PM11/21/14
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In article <m4o6g2$qat$1...@dont-email.me>,
all I remember was the diodes for bridge rectifiers had a max stockholding
of 3! So you took all 3 out and waited a minimum of 2 days to get another
1.
of 3! So you took all 3 out and waited a minimum of 2 days to get another
1.
Roderick Stewart
Nov 22, 2014, 4:42:06 AM11/22/14
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 20:39:58 +0000 (GMT), charles
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's a common problem with suits / bean counters. They value spares,
>> test equipment etc at the original purchase price plus inflation and the
>> location holding the spares is charged some ridiculously high figure for
>> having the spares. So they are disposed of, often as scrap.
>
>all I remember was the diodes for bridge rectifiers had a max stockholding
>of 3! So you took all 3 out and waited a minimum of 2 days to get another
>1.
Either that or you were told that you couldn't deplete the entire
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's a common problem with suits / bean counters. They value spares,
>> test equipment etc at the original purchase price plus inflation and the
>> location holding the spares is charged some ridiculously high figure for
>> having the spares. So they are disposed of, often as scrap.
>
>all I remember was the diodes for bridge rectifiers had a max stockholding
>of 3! So you took all 3 out and waited a minimum of 2 days to get another
>1.
stock but had to leave one, in case somebody needed it.
Rod.
Unknown
Nov 23, 2014, 7:02:11 PM11/23/14
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Not strange, if you know why.
Scanners OB was formerly the OB arm of Chrysalis Music. Set up initially to
record music and concerts. Many early (engineering) staff were also regulars
on Spitting Image.
NTL purchased the OB company to aid their intention of sports coverage to
"give Sky a run for its money".
At the time NTL were in a strong competition against Telewest.
NTL struck coverage deals with large football clubs and ice hockey teams in
their area.
(Sky by this point had dropped their weekly premier league ice hockey
coverage because the BIHA had 'bid itself out of the market', leaving
Channel 4 to pick it up for one year for 'not a lot'. Channel 4 then dropped
it, it just wasnt their thing.)
The rights NTL held were for live coverage of any game NOT shown by any of
the other main broadcasters (Sky or BBC).
Some teams they had were Coventry City, Reading (FC), Bracknell Bees,
Newcastle ice hockey (what ever they were at the time), and Nottingham
Panthers.
This model had succesfully worked in the early 1990s for Wire TV (cable
network. Yes, the one that begat "News Bunny" and topless darts!), again
with live ice hockey and conference football coverage. So well in fact that
Sky bought it and shut it down, walking away with the coverage rights.
Incidentally, up until the NTL purchase, many freelancers were disgruntled
at the length of time it took Scanners to pay.
It was found that any payments to freelancers went in to the MDs personal
bank account for one calendar month, before then being paid out!
In owning an OB company, it would not cost NTL anything to cover the games.
Genius. Apart from all the freelancers invoices!
Then they had to produce the programmes, which were dreadful, as they didnt
have a clue!
It didnt last long, two years maybe.
NTL and Telewest merged, and the OB department was sold to Arqiva, an
international communications giant, with more satelittes and transmitters
than you can point a whole plethora of sticks at.
They waded in with an initial *Ł3.6million investment, which paid for the
building of OB2 & 3, which in turn won the football league contract from Sky
Sports (previously covered by Visions.)
For the time, these two identical trucks were very much at the front of the
game, well equipped, and built by Sony.
*For Arqiva, Ł3.6m was loose pocket change.
After a few years, someone in Winchester telephoned Chrysalis Way to ask
"We've just found out we own you. What exactly do you do?"
Once built, a satellite or transmitter just prints money for the next 20
years.
An OB truck is out of date after 5 years, and either needs a refurb or a
newer and better truck built. It's precisely this which Arqiva management
could not understand.
Arqiva OB needed larger premises to house all their vehicles (they could
never fit them all in the yard if they were all back at once!), so they
found local larger premises. Arqiva group said no.
After the sacking of Mick Bass, Arqiva OB needed a new MD. Arqiva group said
"you've managed for a year without one, so you obviously dont need one".
This refusal to budge, to invest any further money, led to Sky pulling all
their contracts, Speedway, football league, ATP tennis, and Goodwood
Festival of Speed.
The pulling of the Sky contracts led Winchester to the decision to close
Arqiva OB.
Rather than official notification Mr Holebrook casualy dropped the bombshell
whilst in light chatter by the tea urn.
"Oh by the way, we'll need to close you down."
The staff at Chysalis Way put together a management buy out offer. Arqiva
Group said no.
'Another OB company' (not based in Derby) bid for the whole company. Arqiva
group said no.
Arqiva group insisted everything had to be sold off cheap
i.e. MASSIVE tax write off
From the time the staff was given notice (and Sky pulled the rug) to the
final closure, the OB company pulled in more work and was busier than ever
before!
Proof if ever it was needed, that losing large Sky contracts is not
neccesarily a bad thing.
There went yet another OB company, with lots of redundancies.
Thanks, to nothing but utter management stupidity.
Arqiva still (of course) have their SNG fleet.
Rumour is they've been attempting to connect several togther where
multi-camera coverage has been required at locations.
Now, if only they had a small fleet of outside broadcast trucks......
Correction from previous posting: NEP Visions purchased Arqiva OB 2 and OB 3
(both of the double expanding HD artics).
Clownpaste purchased OB1, SD spec articulated single side expander, and (to
their credit) rewired it. It had definately earnt its keep at Arqiva! Mostly
abused by Sky Speedway crew!
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:cd9i47...@mid.individual.net...
Scanners OB was formerly the OB arm of Chrysalis Music. Set up initially to
record music and concerts. Many early (engineering) staff were also regulars
on Spitting Image.
NTL purchased the OB company to aid their intention of sports coverage to
"give Sky a run for its money".
At the time NTL were in a strong competition against Telewest.
NTL struck coverage deals with large football clubs and ice hockey teams in
their area.
(Sky by this point had dropped their weekly premier league ice hockey
coverage because the BIHA had 'bid itself out of the market', leaving
Channel 4 to pick it up for one year for 'not a lot'. Channel 4 then dropped
it, it just wasnt their thing.)
The rights NTL held were for live coverage of any game NOT shown by any of
the other main broadcasters (Sky or BBC).
Some teams they had were Coventry City, Reading (FC), Bracknell Bees,
Newcastle ice hockey (what ever they were at the time), and Nottingham
Panthers.
This model had succesfully worked in the early 1990s for Wire TV (cable
network. Yes, the one that begat "News Bunny" and topless darts!), again
with live ice hockey and conference football coverage. So well in fact that
Sky bought it and shut it down, walking away with the coverage rights.
Incidentally, up until the NTL purchase, many freelancers were disgruntled
at the length of time it took Scanners to pay.
It was found that any payments to freelancers went in to the MDs personal
bank account for one calendar month, before then being paid out!
In owning an OB company, it would not cost NTL anything to cover the games.
Genius. Apart from all the freelancers invoices!
Then they had to produce the programmes, which were dreadful, as they didnt
have a clue!
It didnt last long, two years maybe.
NTL and Telewest merged, and the OB department was sold to Arqiva, an
international communications giant, with more satelittes and transmitters
than you can point a whole plethora of sticks at.
They waded in with an initial *Ł3.6million investment, which paid for the
building of OB2 & 3, which in turn won the football league contract from Sky
Sports (previously covered by Visions.)
For the time, these two identical trucks were very much at the front of the
game, well equipped, and built by Sony.
*For Arqiva, Ł3.6m was loose pocket change.
After a few years, someone in Winchester telephoned Chrysalis Way to ask
"We've just found out we own you. What exactly do you do?"
Once built, a satellite or transmitter just prints money for the next 20
years.
An OB truck is out of date after 5 years, and either needs a refurb or a
newer and better truck built. It's precisely this which Arqiva management
could not understand.
Arqiva OB needed larger premises to house all their vehicles (they could
never fit them all in the yard if they were all back at once!), so they
found local larger premises. Arqiva group said no.
After the sacking of Mick Bass, Arqiva OB needed a new MD. Arqiva group said
"you've managed for a year without one, so you obviously dont need one".
This refusal to budge, to invest any further money, led to Sky pulling all
their contracts, Speedway, football league, ATP tennis, and Goodwood
Festival of Speed.
The pulling of the Sky contracts led Winchester to the decision to close
Arqiva OB.
Rather than official notification Mr Holebrook casualy dropped the bombshell
whilst in light chatter by the tea urn.
"Oh by the way, we'll need to close you down."
The staff at Chysalis Way put together a management buy out offer. Arqiva
Group said no.
'Another OB company' (not based in Derby) bid for the whole company. Arqiva
group said no.
Arqiva group insisted everything had to be sold off cheap
i.e. MASSIVE tax write off
From the time the staff was given notice (and Sky pulled the rug) to the
final closure, the OB company pulled in more work and was busier than ever
before!
Proof if ever it was needed, that losing large Sky contracts is not
neccesarily a bad thing.
There went yet another OB company, with lots of redundancies.
Thanks, to nothing but utter management stupidity.
Arqiva still (of course) have their SNG fleet.
Rumour is they've been attempting to connect several togther where
multi-camera coverage has been required at locations.
Now, if only they had a small fleet of outside broadcast trucks......
Correction from previous posting: NEP Visions purchased Arqiva OB 2 and OB 3
(both of the double expanding HD artics).
Clownpaste purchased OB1, SD spec articulated single side expander, and (to
their credit) rewired it. It had definately earnt its keep at Arqiva! Mostly
abused by Sky Speedway crew!
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
Paul Ratcliffe
Dec 15, 2014, 3:01:00 PM12/15/14
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:23:13 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice
<allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>>> BBC Bristol's Outside Broadcast truck up until late 1992. "South
> West
>>> 4". It was a type 7, I doubt it still exists.
>>
>> I think if you know the registration then you can check online whether
>> registered, SORN or no record now. Of course it does not tell you
>> whether it has been modified.
>
> It would be pushing 30 years years old now, museum or enthusiasts
> piece. Registration haven't a clue, might have a photo that may have
> the reg in by accident but that's a very slim chance.
We didn't get it till the tail end of 1990/beginning of 1991, so it would
<allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>>> BBC Bristol's Outside Broadcast truck up until late 1992. "South
> West
>>> 4". It was a type 7, I doubt it still exists.
>>
>> I think if you know the registration then you can check online whether
>> registered, SORN or no record now. Of course it does not tell you
>> whether it has been modified.
>
> It would be pushing 30 years years old now, museum or enthusiasts
> piece. Registration haven't a clue, might have a photo that may have
> the reg in by accident but that's a very slim chance.
be about 24 now. G reg if memory serves, but I can't remember the rest.
Later, after trawl through old photos:
Have just found one from an OB (Antiques Roadshow at Chesterfield in 1992
I believe) which, with the aid of a x25 pocket microscope, says in very
small writing H698XUU.
Can't remember the make though. Tried standard lorry types on the DVLA
website but no joy.
Rang the DVLA number and got call menu hell, then got cut off telling
me they closed at 7pm and it was only 6:55. Lazy bastards pushed off
already...
Alan White
Dec 15, 2014, 5:30:11 PM12/15/14
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:07:40 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
>Have just found one from an OB (Antiques Roadshow at Chesterfield in 1992
>I believe) which, with the aid of a x25 pocket microscope, says in very
>small writing H698XUU.
>Can't remember the make though. Tried standard lorry types on the DVLA
>website but no joy.
>Rang the DVLA number and got call menu hell, then got cut off telling
>me they closed at 7pm and it was only 6:55. Lazy bastards pushed off
>already...
There's an iPhone app, MyCarCheck, into which a registration number can
<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
>Have just found one from an OB (Antiques Roadshow at Chesterfield in 1992
>I believe) which, with the aid of a x25 pocket microscope, says in very
>small writing H698XUU.
>Can't remember the make though. Tried standard lorry types on the DVLA
>website but no joy.
>Rang the DVLA number and got call menu hell, then got cut off telling
>me they closed at 7pm and it was only 6:55. Lazy bastards pushed off
>already...
be entered and it returns basic information about the vehicle. More
information can be bought for £2.99.
H698XUU returns:-
Make: ERF
Model: Not Available
Colour: White
Engine Size: 6000cc
Body Style: Special Purpose
Fuel Type: Heavy Oil
Year: 01/03/1994
HTH
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Paul Ratcliffe
Dec 16, 2014, 3:01:00 PM12/16/14
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:30:15 +0000, Alan White <alan....@windycroft.co.uk>
wrote:
> There's an iPhone app, MyCarCheck, into which a registration number can
> be entered and it returns basic information about the vehicle. More
> information can be bought for £2.99.
>
> H698XUU returns:-
>
> Make: ERF
> Model: Not Available
> Colour: White
> Engine Size: 6000cc
> Body Style: Special Purpose
> Fuel Type: Heavy Oil
> Year: 01/03/1994
>
> HTH
It does indeed H. I'd never have tried ERF, but now you mention it, it
does ring a very vague bell.
Plugging that into the DVLA checker reveals tax expired at end of Oct.
2008, MoT on 9th May 2009, so looks like it was off the road some time
late summer 2008 - wasn't that just before the emissions regs. got
tightened up the first time?
Thanks Alan, that completes the picture nicely.
wrote:
> There's an iPhone app, MyCarCheck, into which a registration number can
> be entered and it returns basic information about the vehicle. More
> information can be bought for £2.99.
>
> H698XUU returns:-
>
> Make: ERF
> Model: Not Available
> Colour: White
> Engine Size: 6000cc
> Body Style: Special Purpose
> Fuel Type: Heavy Oil
> Year: 01/03/1994
>
> HTH
does ring a very vague bell.
Plugging that into the DVLA checker reveals tax expired at end of Oct.
2008, MoT on 9th May 2009, so looks like it was off the road some time
late summer 2008 - wasn't that just before the emissions regs. got
tightened up the first time?
Thanks Alan, that completes the picture nicely.
ex bxman
Dec 18, 2014, 5:07:40 AM12/18/14
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vehicles. This was his reply
I have H699 XUU as LO24/N4 or latterly the black pig! but nothing for H698
XUU in the OB database. He forwarded me a picture of it taken at the OB base at Langley.
I've also asked a number of London OB engineers and none remembers a SW4.
Bob Smith
Dave Liquorice
Dec 18, 2014, 5:43:03 AM12/18/14
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:07:36 +0000, ex bxman wrote:
> I've also asked a number of London OB engineers and none remembers a
> SW4.
That's 'cause it was based in, scheduled and fully crewed from
> I've also asked a number of London OB engineers and none remembers a
> SW4.
Bristol and rarely worked with other OB units. Unlike the North,
Welsh and Scottish units.
--
Cheers
Dave.
SimonM
Dec 18, 2014, 6:01:02 AM12/18/14
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On 18/12/14 10:07, ex bxman wrote:
> I have H699 XUU as LO24/N4 or latterly the black pig! but nothing for H698 XUU in the OB database.
>
> He forwarded me a picture of it [H699 XUU?] taken at the OB base at Langley.
> I have H699 XUU as LO24/N4 or latterly the black pig! but nothing for H698 XUU in the OB database.
>
>
> I've also asked a number of London OB engineers and none remembers a SW4.
>
> Bob Smith
What does this prove regarding SW4?
> I've also asked a number of London OB engineers and none remembers a SW4.
>
> Bob Smith
Paul Ratcliffe
Dec 20, 2014, 4:01:01 PM12/20/14
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:07:36 +0000, ex bxman <bx...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I have H699 XUU as LO24/N4 or latterly the black pig! but nothing for H698
> XUU in the OB database. He forwarded me a picture of it taken at the OB base at Langley.
Maybe that was one of the other type 7's then. Bristol's was definitely 698.
> I have H699 XUU as LO24/N4 or latterly the black pig! but nothing for H698
> XUU in the OB database. He forwarded me a picture of it taken at the OB base at Langley.
> I've also asked a number of London OB engineers and none remembers a SW4.
facilities.
Sadly, John (the c*nt) Birt wasn't when he closed them all down.
TVcameramuseum.org
Dec 22, 2014, 3:28:13 PM12/22/14
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There were 4 BBC type 7s as below, all accounted for. The BBC would move vehicles around with some abandon, but it is quite possible that Bristol built there own "SW4" and there is no listing for it in my database.
BBC J473 CYW CMCR62 ?? LO22, later Glasgow 1991/2 Scanner
BBC H612 XUU CMCR58 (54?) LO23 1990/1 Scanner
BBC J327 CYW CMCR61 LO21 1991/2 Scanner
BBC H699 XUU CMCR60 ?? LO24 N4 1990/1 Scanner
I am fairly confident about the reg numbers less so for the CMCR numbers.
There is nothing listed for a H698 XUU, a photo for identification would be good and then I could add it to the database.
This is my first posting here.
BBC J473 CYW CMCR62 ?? LO22, later Glasgow 1991/2 Scanner
BBC H612 XUU CMCR58 (54?) LO23 1990/1 Scanner
BBC J327 CYW CMCR61 LO21 1991/2 Scanner
BBC H699 XUU CMCR60 ?? LO24 N4 1990/1 Scanner
I am fairly confident about the reg numbers less so for the CMCR numbers.
There is nothing listed for a H698 XUU, a photo for identification would be good and then I could add it to the database.
This is my first posting here.
Dave Liquorice
Dec 22, 2014, 9:16:47 PM12/22/14
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:28:13 -0800 (PST), TVcameramuseum.org wrote:
> There were 4 BBC type 7s as below, all accounted for. The BBC would move
> vehicles around with some abandon, but it is quite possible that Bristol
> built there own "SW4" and there is no listing for it in my database.
SW4 was the replacement for BLU (Bristol Lightweight Unit that had
> There were 4 BBC type 7s as below, all accounted for. The BBC would move
> vehicles around with some abandon, but it is quite possible that Bristol
> built there own "SW4" and there is no listing for it in my database.
Link 120 cameras, 2 x MX6/2, and 2 x VPR2's IIRC). Antiques Roadshow
from inception to the obliteration of Bristol's Network TV resources
in 1992 was a regular programme they made. Dig through this list of
programme titles for OBs from the period and they would have been BLU
or SW4:
http://www.howhill.com/allsorts/index.php?content=progs
SW4 was new on arrival in Bristol and I *think* SW4 then moved over
to Northern Ireland.
http://www.tvobhistory.co.uk/bbc-colour-mccrs.html
Refers to four type 7's, LO22, LO23 (London), N4 (Manchester H699
XUU) and (incorrectly) SW1 in Bristol.
This thread from May '99 refers to SW4/BLU:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/uk.tech.broadcast/R7ZkJOOv-X0
SW4 is/was CMCR55 according to the end of that thread, it did go to
NI and became NI2. That CMCR number sort of ties up with my feeling
of how long Bristol had SW4. 1990 to '92 just doesn't feel long
enough, I'd have said five years or a bit longer. So arriving in 1987
ish but that would give it a E prefix registration, G reg - 1989?
--
Cheers
Dave.
Paul Ratcliffe
Dec 24, 2014, 8:01:00 AM12/24/14
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:28:13 -0800 (PST), TVcameramuseum.org
<tvcamer...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> There were 4 BBC type 7s as below, all accounted for. The BBC would move
> vehicles around with some abandon, but it is quite possible that Bristol
> built there own "SW4" and there is no listing for it in my database.
No, it was definitely an 'officially' built one - one of the four.
> There were 4 BBC type 7s as below, all accounted for. The BBC would move
> vehicles around with some abandon, but it is quite possible that Bristol
> built there own "SW4" and there is no listing for it in my database.
> BBC J473 CYW CMCR62 ?? LO22, later Glasgow 1991/2 Scanner
> BBC H612 XUU CMCR58 (54?) LO23 1990/1 Scanner
> BBC J327 CYW CMCR61 LO21 1991/2 Scanner
> BBC H699 XUU CMCR60 ?? LO24 N4 1990/1 Scanner
about the fourth. Possibly MR?
> I am fairly confident about the reg numbers less so for the CMCR numbers.
> There is nothing listed for a H698 XUU, a photo for identification would
> be good and then I could add it to the database.
though...
Paul Ratcliffe
Dec 24, 2014, 9:01:01 AM12/24/14
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:15:32 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice
<allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
> SW4 was the replacement for BLU (Bristol Lightweight Unit that had
> Link 120 cameras, 2 x MX6/2, and 2 x VPR2's IIRC).
Cameras were latterly Ikegami HL-79 (D or E, can't remember now).
<allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
> SW4 was the replacement for BLU (Bristol Lightweight Unit that had
> Link 120 cameras, 2 x MX6/2, and 2 x VPR2's IIRC).
MX6/2 sounds like some piece of sound kit (Glensound?).
Yes to the 2xVPR2's.
> SW4 was new on arrival in Bristol and I *think* SW4 then moved over
> to Northern Ireland.
went to both in its time, before heading to KA.
> Refers to four type 7's, LO22, LO23 (London), N4 (Manchester H699
> XUU) and (incorrectly) SW1 in Bristol.
I only used it once on a CiN in Plympton 23/11/1990 (absolutely pissed with
rain all night and 'my' two cameras were full of water before midnight - in
the days when the regional contributions went on till about 01:30).
> SW4 is/was CMCR55 according to the end of that thread, it did go to
> NI and became NI2.
old thread.
> That CMCR number sort of ties up with my feeling
> of how long Bristol had SW4. 1990 to '92 just doesn't feel long
> enough, I'd have said five years or a bit longer. So arriving in 1987
> ish but that would give it a E prefix registration, G reg - 1989?
but Feb. sounds about right. There was a short period of parallel running
of BLU/SW4.
I only worked on BLU once - TITD at Stonyhurst (TX 14/10/1990) - and my
first job on SW4 was SoP at Dartmouth (27/07/1991).
SimonM
Dec 24, 2014, 9:55:18 AM12/24/14
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On 24/12/14 14:00, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:15:32 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice
> <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>
>> SW4 was the replacement for BLU (Bristol Lightweight Unit that had
>> Link 120 cameras, 2 x MX6/2, and 2 x VPR2's IIRC).
>
> Cameras were latterly Ikegami HL-79 (D or E, can't remember now).
> MX6/2 sounds like some piece of sound kit (Glensound?).
> Yes to the 2xVPR2's.
Correct on all counts (you both are).
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:15:32 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice
> <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>
>> SW4 was the replacement for BLU (Bristol Lightweight Unit that had
>> Link 120 cameras, 2 x MX6/2, and 2 x VPR2's IIRC).
>
> Cameras were latterly Ikegami HL-79 (D or E, can't remember now).
> MX6/2 sounds like some piece of sound kit (Glensound?).
> Yes to the 2xVPR2's.
MX6/2: a Glensound 'stereo', six (mono) channel
mixers, with external matching pluggable
EQ/compressor modules, and an external
output/monitoring unit (DK2/21 for stereo, DK2/20
for mono). They weren't very compact (for 12
channels), but they were pretty rugged and had
full-length P+G faders.
In BLU, IIRC, the EQ and the monitoring unit were
mounted in the monitor stack surface above the
mixers, and there was a solitary LS3/5A speaker.
I'm morally certain the monitoring was a DK2/20 as
it as never really intended to do stereo. I can't
remember the coded no. for the EQ unit, and I have
a vague feeling only one was fitted to the
vehicle, but it is an awfully long time ago. In
radio we had MX6/3, same idea but with the EQ
included in the mixer channels - same
output/monitoring modules.
I think it also had a bantam jackfield: a right
PITA, as the early ones were made to the wrong
clearances (in the sockets) and could be horribly
intermittent. One of Bristol's GP-series radio
desks had its insert j/f changed at some expense,
to fix this problem.
BLU was still around when I left in 1989. I never
knew SW4.
Dave Liquorice
Dec 24, 2014, 10:28:04 AM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:00:05 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> Cameras were latterly Ikegami HL-79 (D or E, can't remember now).
Fairly sure E.
> Cameras were latterly Ikegami HL-79 (D or E, can't remember now).
> MX6/2 sounds like some piece of sound kit (Glensound?).
http://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=15514.0
2 x EQ units in the bay above them in the front desk along with an
output unit.
>> Refers to four type 7's, LO22, LO23 (London), N4 (Manchester H699
>> XUU) and (incorrectly) SW1 in Bristol.
>
> SW1 was a 'single' camera unit that did Casualty or other location
> drama.
> I only used it once on a CiN in Plympton 23/11/1990 (absolutely pissed
> with rain all night and 'my' two cameras were full of water before
> midnight - in the days when the regional contributions went on till
> about 01:30).
have sneaky feeling that was a different vehical, a lifted, 4 WD,
Commer? Various Birdwatches, add-on for "BLU goes to Paris", As you
mention several childrens dramas (Jockey School?) and Casualty.
>> SW4 is/was CMCR55 according to the end of that thread, it did go
to
>> NI and became NI2.
>
> Ah, that sound about right. Blimey, some rather familiar names in that
> old thread.
recognise them.
>> That CMCR number sort of ties up with my feeling of how long
Bristol
>> had SW4. 1990 to '92 just doesn't feel long enough, I'd have said
five
>> years or a bit longer.
>
> I'm afraid your memory is wrong Dave. It was early 91, I forget exactly,
> but Feb. sounds about right.
Oh dear... such a short period also adds to why we were so pissed off
> but Feb. sounds about right.
at been axed. I know SW4 was working quite hard with SoP, TiTD and
ARS. It wasn't sitting base doing SFA.
> I only worked on BLU once - TITD at Stonyhurst (TX 14/10/1990) - and my
> first job on SW4 was SoP at Dartmouth (27/07/1991).
color from B&W CMCR3(?) scanner with PC60 cameras that provided
Studio A's cameras on a drive in basis. My first OB was Chepstow
Races with that scanner... But that predates your arrival in BS by a
goood few years I should imagine.
--
Cheers
Dave.
SimonM
Dec 24, 2014, 12:50:56 PM12/24/14
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On 24/12/14 15:22, Dave Liquorice wrote:
> ou'll be saying next you don't remember the Type 1 converted to
> color from B&W CMCR3(?) scanner with PC60 cameras that provided
> Studio A's cameras on a drive in basis. My first OB was Chepstow
> Races with that scanner... But that predates your arrival in BS by a
> goood few years I should imagine.
Tailboard plug-up 0700h Monday mornings... not
> ou'll be saying next you don't remember the Type 1 converted to
> color from B&W CMCR3(?) scanner with PC60 cameras that provided
> Studio A's cameras on a drive in basis. My first OB was Chepstow
> Races with that scanner... But that predates your arrival in BS by a
> goood few years I should imagine.
uncommon to find Ted C., Terry H. or Murray dozing
off at the racks in the afternoons.
But it _was_ built as colour from the outset,
though I'm not sure Bristol was it's first BBC home.
I once hitched a lift in it to an OB in Kingswood.
Roy was driving and couldn't get the accelerator
flat to the floor (necessary on most hills) - to
those who didn't know him, he wasn't the tallest
of individuals.
To solve this problem, someone had helpfully added
a large wooden wedge to the top of the accelerator
pedal. That, and the reluctance to stop once it
actually was moving (not Roy - the brakes were
'understated') left me feeling somewhat nervous
when we finally got there.
There were stories that for most of its final year
'on the road' it was towed to and from OBs as the
engine was beyond redemption, but by that time I
had a spell away from TVOBs so I'm not sure if it
was true. It overlapped with BLU for a few months
(BLU had quite a few teething troubles IIRC).
MOT exemption was a wonderful thing.
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