"Book Me" +green dot.

[David]

At 12:59 today Freeview 101 BBC1 HD from Emley Moor during promos before
1pm news at the top right hand corner of screen "Book Me" followed by a
Green Dot appeared for a minute.

What is this message please?

I got it at the same time yesterday and it stayed on until I
disconnected the mains for a few minutes, nothing else I tried would get
rid of it.

History is it was doing this last weekend but I did not note when it
actually occurred, but on Monday I rang Samsung Support who said they
had a cure for it, they took control of TV over via the internet and
reset to factory defaults and made a change in the engineering menu I
was told. I was assured it would not reoccur but it as.

Have phoned supplier Richer Sounds who are very concerned and their own
engineer will be contacting me. It is something they have not heard of.

It is a 3 week old Samsung smart TV UE55HU7500.

Any ideas?
A Samsung fault or a BBC fault?
Thanks
David

[David Taylor]

On 2015-01-22, David <dnp...@tesco.net> wrote:
> At 12:59 today Freeview 101 BBC1 HD from Emley Moor during promos before
> 1pm news at the top right hand corner of screen "Book Me" followed by a
> Green Dot appeared for a minute.
>
> What is this message please?

Googling 'Freeview "Book Me"' seems to explain it well enough.

> I got it at the same time yesterday and it stayed on until I
> disconnected the mains for a few minutes, nothing else I tried would get
> rid of it.

Staying on forever sounds like a fault, it should go away at the end
of the promo.

> History is it was doing this last weekend but I did not note when it
> actually occurred, but on Monday I rang Samsung Support who said they
> had a cure for it, they took control of TV over via the internet and
> reset to factory defaults and made a change in the engineering menu I
> was told. I was assured it would not reoccur but it as.

It's supposed to happen.

> Have phoned supplier Richer Sounds who are very concerned and their own
> engineer will be contacting me. It is something they have not heard of.

I would be very concerned that they have never heard of something which
has been around for years.

--
David Taylor

[David]

Thank you.

I'm new to Freeview HD up to now been only Freesat HD this TV has both.

I have been using Google but for "Book Me" and Green Dot, which had not
helped me.
Adding Freeview as you suggest gets

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/researchanddevelopment/2010/08/new-developments-on-freeview-a.shtml

Have noted it says for Recorders I'm getting it on a TV, will the effect
of pressing Green RC button get me a reminder the program is staring
just as I do if I had marked a program on the EPG earlier?

Just seen a set of 3 BBC program promos on now the "Book Me" only
appeared on one of them.

Do you think yesterday and last weekend when the "Book Me" stayed on all
the time untill TV switch off at mains was a BBC fault or my TV fault?

Like when I have Radio 2 on in the car and Radio Humberside put a
traffic announcement out and Radio Humbersides programs stay on and it
not return to Radio 2?

Thanks
David

[Tim+]

It's likely that your TV supports recording to a memory device like a USB
stick or hard drive. Does your remote have a "record" button? If so, the
green dot is visible because your TV can potentially record programs.

Tim

[Peter Duncanson]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:25:55 +0000, Tim+ <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

I have seen the "Book Me" message on TVs which have a schedule facility
(no recording ability). That is you can select a future programme in the
EPG and press OK to schedule it. When the time comes the TV will switch
to that programme.

I have never used the "Book Me" green dot, but I assume that it will add
the programme to the schedule.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

[Roger Mills]

On 22/01/2015 14:12, David wrote:

>
> Do you think yesterday and last weekend when the "Book Me" stayed on all
> the time untill TV switch off at mains was a BBC fault or my TV fault?
>

I guess it's a TV fault - otherwise lots of other people with smart TVs
and PVRs would have noticed it - and no-one here appears to have done so.

> Like when I have Radio 2 on in the car and Radio Humberside put a
> traffic announcement out and Radio Humbersides programs stay on and it
> not return to Radio 2?
>

No. That's usually the radio station forgetting to reset the appropriate
flag at the end of the traffic interrupt.
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[Mark Carver]

On 22/01/2015 14:50, Peter Duncanson wrote:

> I have never used the "Book Me" green dot, but I assume that it will add
> the programme to the schedule.

It does. It's been on Sky's system for quite a while, Freeview are just
playing 'catch up' (no pun intended !) I've only seen on You View
recorders, not seen it on my telly's own tuner (yet !)


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[SimonM]

On 22/01/15 14:25, Tim+ wrote:

> It's likely that your TV supports recording to a memory device like a USB
> stick or hard drive. Does your remote have a "record" button? If so, the
> green dot is visible because your TV can potentially record programs.
>
> Tim

It's far more likely that pressing green in that
context sends "appointment" data to an external
recorder via the control channel of an HDMI port.

When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales
droid assured us it could record to USB. This was
completely untrue. It will play lots of formats
that are given to it via USB, but recording - no.

TV manufacturers don't provide that because they
wouldn't sell recorders afterwards.

It's the same with the audio control offered by
"digital amplifiers" If you want adjustable delay,
or audio mute, etc, you won't get it on the SPDIF
output. No, Sir has to buy an amplifier with HDMI
inputs...

[David]

On 22/01/2015 16:03, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 22/01/2015 14:12, David wrote:

>
> No. That's usually the radio station forgetting to reset the appropriate
> flag at the end of the traffic interrupt.

Yes then the BBC fault.
Regards
David

[Max Demian]

"David" <dnp...@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:m9qtob$pt6$1...@dont-email.me...

> At 12:59 today Freeview 101 BBC1 HD from Emley Moor during promos before
> 1pm news at the top right hand corner of screen "Book Me" followed by a
> Green Dot appeared for a minute.

If you press Green to get rid of the red dot, how do you get rid of a green
dot?

Sounds like the 'related programme' feature on my PVR, which you get when
you are setting up a programme to record later.

--
Max Demian

[Ian Jackson]

In message <cicr50...@mid.individual.net>, Max Demian
<max_d...@bigfoot.com> writes

I think 'Back' and/or 'Exit' work on my Manhattan.

However, when I select something to record later in the day, it has
started occasionally suggesting something like "Are you interested in
also recording XXXXXXX?"!!
--
Ian

[Brian Gaff]

Must be Steve Mcgarrett of Hawaii 5.0 finally going round the twist.
Brian

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[Mark Carver]

On 22/01/2015 16:53, SimonM wrote:

> It's far more likely that pressing green in that context sends
> "appointment" data to an external recorder via the control channel of an
> HDMI port.
>
> When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales droid assured us it
> could record to USB. This was completely untrue. It will play lots of
> formats that are given to it via USB, but recording - no.

My Sony does, I've not actually tried a USB stick, but it certainly
records to a portable HDD via the USB interface.

[Bill Wright]

Roger Mills wrote:

>> Like when I have Radio 2 on in the car and Radio Humberside put a
>> traffic announcement out and Radio Humbersides programs stay on and it
>> not return to Radio 2?
>>
>
> No. That's usually the radio station forgetting to reset the appropriate
> flag at the end of the traffic interrupt.

My complaint about this to R Humberside has gone unanswered.

Bill

[Indy Jess John]

On 22/01/2015 16:53, SimonM wrote:

> When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales
> droid assured us it could record to USB. This was
> completely untrue. It will play lots of formats
> that are given to it via USB, but recording - no.
>
> TV manufacturers don't provide that because they
> wouldn't sell recorders afterwards.

My LG television records to a USB hard drive provided that I use a
specific USB port and I allow the TV to format the disc before first use.

Windows won't then recognise the disc as anything other than
"unformatted". Linux will read the disc but I can't make any logical
sense of the folder structure or file names, and my version of Linux
Mint doesn't know what to open the files with.

The TV will play back its own recordings and will delete such recordings
when instructed to.

Jim

[Dave Liquorice]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:02:37 +0000, Indy Jess John wrote:

>> When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales droid assured us
it
>> could record to USB.
>

> My LG television records to a USB hard drive provided that I use a
> specific USB port and I allow the TV to format the disc before first
> use.

That is how our Panasonic works as well, to a USB HDD. Tries 1 GB USB
memory stick "This device is not supported". Same stick but accesed
via the Viera Tools plays the content already on the stick.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[John Williamson]

I believe on some stations, the flag is set automatically by playing the
jingle, (It used to be an audio tone on one of the cartridge tracks.)
and if there's silence at the end of the track, all it takes is for
someone to forget to fade down the now silent track, or in the case of a
cart based jingle unit, for them to forget to stop the cart.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Max Demian]

"Indy Jess John" <jimw...@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uHcww.274292$ls6.1...@fx16.am4...

> On 22/01/2015 16:53, SimonM wrote:
>
>> When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales
>> droid assured us it could record to USB. This was
>> completely untrue. It will play lots of formats
>> that are given to it via USB, but recording - no.
>>
>> TV manufacturers don't provide that because they
>> wouldn't sell recorders afterwards.
>
> My LG television records to a USB hard drive provided that I use a
> specific USB port and I allow the TV to format the disc before first use.
>
> Windows won't then recognise the disc as anything other than
> "unformatted". Linux will read the disc but I can't make any logical
> sense of the folder structure or file names, and my version of Linux Mint
> doesn't know what to open the files with.

That's how it's supposed to work. It isn't designed to allow recorded
programmes to be transferred to another device.

--
Max Demian

[UnsteadyKen]

In article: <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>

Dave Liquorice says...

> Tries 1 GB USB
> memory stick "This device is not supported". Same stick but accesed
> via the Viera Tools plays the content already on the stick.
>

Possibly the TV is testing the write speed of the stick when you plug it
in and finding it falls below what it deems acceptable, much like
Windows does when assessing a drive for ReadyBoost.

--
Ken O'Meara

List of UK hi-fi & audio dealers:
http://unsteadyken.esy.es/

[Mark Carver]

When carts were used, some stations would use the tertiary tones
to lift and lower the flag. (The primary tones would park the cart,
ready for its next firing, the secondary tones would normally fire off
the next cart, in triple stack cart players) Signalling from either
secondary or tertiary tones should not have been dependant on the cart
machine being faded up to air (though the other side of the coin was,
that if the cart was fired up in prefade, it would still fire the flag ?)

Today many commercial stations use in band DTMF tones, embedded into the
travel jingle audio as it's played off of the server or effects box. In
this system of course the jingle has to be faded up to air, for the
system to trigger and release properly. However, the Beeb don't use that
system, Mr Ratcliffe might give us chapter and verse on that.......?

[Indy Jess John]

On 22/01/2015 23:04, Max Demian wrote:
> "Indy Jess John"<jimw...@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:uHcww.274292$ls6.1...@fx16.am4...

>> My LG television records to a USB hard drive provided that I use a
>> specific USB port and I allow the TV to format the disc before first use.
>>
>> Windows won't then recognise the disc as anything other than
>> "unformatted". Linux will read the disc but I can't make any logical
>> sense of the folder structure or file names, and my version of Linux Mint
>> doesn't know what to open the files with.
>
> That's how it's supposed to work. It isn't designed to allow recorded
> programmes to be transferred to another device.
>

But if my LG TV gives up the ghost and I buy a Samsung or Panasonic as a
replacement, would I be able to watch the programmes on the disc that
the LG had recorded? Or is this a stealth manufacturer lock-in with
each one imposing their own recording standard, incompatible with anyone
else's?

Jim

[SimonM]

On 22/01/15 20:54, Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:02:37 +0000, Indy Jess John wrote:
>
>>> When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales droid assured us
> it
>>> could record to USB.
>>
>> My LG television records to a USB hard drive provided that I use a
>> specific USB port and I allow the TV to format the disc before first
>> use.
>
> That is how our Panasonic works as well, to a USB HDD. Tries 1 GB USB

> memory stick "This device is not supported". Same stick but accessed

> via the Viera Tools plays the content already on the stick.

Yup. mine plays fine, too.

I have a relatively ancient 21" LCD elsewhere in
the house, with a hard disk recorder built in. I
can copy recordings made on that to a flash
card (via a USB adaptor).

The main Panasonic TV will recognise the card,
either via the same USB adaptor or directly
plugged into the SD card slot it has. If the TV
is on when you plug the card in, it switches
straight over to the media manager screen. The
card is 8GB, formatted as FAT32 on a Linux box.

Despite having a red, Record button at the bottom
of the handset, the Panasonic refuses to record
on the card, and appears to have no menu options
for erasing or formatting it from the TV. I
haven't tried using other filesystems - that
might work, but nothing is greyed-out either.

I think the 'transport' buttons are mainly for
controlling a separate recorder over HDMI. They
provide incomplete control for our Toshiba HD-DVD
player (frustratingly it won't let you navigate
menus), and they also do play/pause/fast for
Netflix.

[Jim Lesurf]

In article <ciddvd...@mid.individual.net>, Max Demian

<max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> "Indy Jess John" <jimw...@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:uHcww.274292$ls6.1...@fx16.am4...

> > My LG television records to a USB hard drive provided that I use a
> > specific USB port and I allow the TV to format the disc before first
> > use.
> >
> > Windows won't then recognise the disc as anything other than
> > "unformatted". Linux will read the disc but I can't make any logical
> > sense of the folder structure or file names, and my version of Linux
> > Mint doesn't know what to open the files with.

> That's how it's supposed to work. It isn't designed to allow recorded
> programmes to be transferred to another device.

I'm curious about the phrase "Linux Mint doesn't know...".

That may just mean the filer doesn't know what program to launch and ask to
take them for input.

IJJ: Have you tried getting VLC or similar to run them? Or see if ffmpeg
can make any sense of them? They may just be relying on 'obscurity' rather
than being encrypted/scrambled in some way.

Jim

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[Max Demian]

"Indy Jess John" <jimw...@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

news:Onpww.310701$ci4.2...@fx39.am4...

More likely the absence of any standard format for files and content that
would work on any machine the user is likely to want to play the files on.

--
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[tony sayer]

In article <cid7ga...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwil...@btinternet.com> scribeth thus

Its done on some stations by the hard drive playout system..
--
Tony Sayer

[David]

On 22/01/2015 14:12, David wrote:

> On 22/01/2015 13:35, David Taylor wrote:

>
> I'm new to Freeview HD up to now been only Freesat HD this TV has both.
>
> I have been using Google but for "Book Me" and Green Dot, which had not
> helped me.
> Adding Freeview as you suggest gets
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/researchanddevelopment/2010/08/new-developments-on-freeview-a.shtml
>
>

As the above is several years old and is closed and archived I have been
Searching for anything by the BBC and Freeview or others on the present
state and usage of this feature and failed.

Anyone know any up to date articles on Book Me and green button with
regard to it on TV sets?
Regards
David

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <uW9ww.206166$394....@fx25.am4>, SimonM
<some...@large.in.the.world> writes:
[]

>When we bought our Panasonic recently, the sales droid assured us it
>could record to USB. This was completely untrue. It will play lots of
>formats that are given to it via USB, but recording - no.

(Have you been back for a refund, or partial one?)

>
>TV manufacturers don't provide that because they wouldn't sell
>recorders afterwards.

[]
Some of the smaller sets (of which, among high street shops, Maplin seem
to be the only one to sell them; anywhere else you're unlikely to find
less than a 19") _do_ have this facility, though you have to read the
specs very carefully, as more (if not most) do have USB connectivity,
but as SimonM says only for playback. (In fact I think there may only be
one 7" model and one 10" that have record-to-USB ability.)

(Unfortunately, most of these sets - like their less portable cousins -
don't have any more sensitivity, meaning their apparent portability
isn't, except in very strong signal areas.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"He hasn't one redeeming vice." - Oscar Wilde

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <m9ree3$vnc$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff

<brian...@gmail.com> writes:
>Must be Steve Mcgarrett of Hawaii 5.0 finally going round the twist.
> Brian
>

Serves 'em right for using an out-of date version: the current one is
Hawaii 11.5 ... (-:

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <m9rkn8$kpc$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright

<bi...@invalid.com> writes:
>Roger Mills wrote:
>
>>> Like when I have Radio 2 on in the car and Radio Humberside put a
>>> traffic announcement out and Radio Humbersides programs stay on and it
>>> not return to Radio 2?
>>>
>> No. That's usually the radio station forgetting to reset the
>>appropriate flag at the end of the traffic interrupt.

It should usually time out after (something like) 3 minutes, though I'm
not sure if that is implemented in the transmitter or the receiver.
There is sometimes suspicion that some stations deliberately "forget" in
order to try to get listeners hooked on the station's output, though in
most cases it's probably not that.

>
>My complaint about this to R Humberside has gone unanswered.
>
>Bill

Probably didn't reach someone who knew what on earth you were on about?

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:48:06 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>> My complaint about this to R Humberside has gone unanswered.
>>>
>> I believe on some stations, the flag is set automatically by playing the
>> jingle, (It used to be an audio tone on one of the cartridge tracks.)
>> and if there's silence at the end of the track, all it takes is for
>> someone to forget to fade down the now silent track, or in the case of a
>> cart based jingle unit, for them to forget to stop the cart.
>

> Today many commercial stations use in band DTMF tones, embedded into the
> travel jingle audio as it's played off of the server or effects box. In
> this system of course the jingle has to be faded up to air, for the
> system to trigger and release properly. However, the Beeb don't use that
> system, Mr Ratcliffe might give us chapter and verse on that.......?

Some stations use in band signalling, but using sub-audible tones rather
than DTMF. Don't know more than that other than it has a habit of causing
false triggering on certain programme material.
More enlightened stations (IMHO! which includes the two I oversee) don't use
this rubbish and instead use triggers from the audio playout systems to the
control system (typically using GPIs).
The downside with this is that the "on" and "off" triggers need programming
in conjunction with the audio and sometimes for odd reasons they seem to
get divorced from each other in the running order.
Lack of the "off" trigger is the one that causes the trouble of course as
you would never know about missing the "on" trigger.

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:23:58 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>> No. That's usually the radio station forgetting to reset the
>>>appropriate flag at the end of the traffic interrupt.
>
> It should usually time out after (something like) 3 minutes, though I'm
> not sure if that is implemented in the transmitter or the receiver.

Neither. There is a timeout at the station end equipment and in London.

> There is sometimes suspicion that some stations deliberately "forget" in
> order to try to get listeners hooked on the station's output, though in
> most cases it's probably not that.

I would suspect it's not that in the vast majority of cases.

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:29:01 +0000, Indy Jess John
<jimw...@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> But if my LG TV gives up the ghost and I buy a Samsung or Panasonic as a
> replacement, would I be able to watch the programmes on the disc that
> the LG had recorded? Or is this a stealth manufacturer lock-in with
> each one imposing their own recording standard, incompatible with anyone
> else's?

Unlikely that you can transfer stuff. I doubt you can even transfer
within the same manufacturer, or even within the same product type.
My experience is that you have to have the exact unit that recorded
the content to play it back on as it's encrypted on its way to the disk.

[Bill Wright]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> Probably didn't reach someone who knew what on earth you were on about?

I addressed it to the station manager. Surely that person, as a manager
at the BBC, must have a good grasp of everything for which they have
responsibility.

Bill

[Peter Duncanson]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:06:39 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

That must be a candidate for the Best Joke of the Year 2015.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

[Bill Wright]

No, the BBC is funded by licence-payers' money. The BBC knows that it
has a sacred duty to use such money wisely, and would never allow any
sort of managerial ineptitude to affect efficiency.

Bill

[Peter Duncanson]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:31:27 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>

Another candidate for the prize.

[tony sayer]

In article <slrnmc58pc...@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> scribeth thus

>On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:48:06 +0000, Mark Carver
><mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> My complaint about this to R Humberside has gone unanswered.
>>>>
>>> I believe on some stations, the flag is set automatically by playing the
>>> jingle, (It used to be an audio tone on one of the cartridge tracks.)
>>> and if there's silence at the end of the track, all it takes is for
>>> someone to forget to fade down the now silent track, or in the case of a
>>> cart based jingle unit, for them to forget to stop the cart.
>>
>> Today many commercial stations use in band DTMF tones, embedded into the
>> travel jingle audio as it's played off of the server or effects box. In
>> this system of course the jingle has to be faded up to air, for the
>> system to trigger and release properly. However, the Beeb don't use that
>> system, Mr Ratcliffe might give us chapter and verse on that.......?
>
>Some stations use in band signalling, but using sub-audible tones

Sub audible tones?, do tell never heard of those in Broadcast systems.

Two Way radio as common as muck tho..

>rather
>than DTMF. Don't know more than that other than it has a habit of causing
>false triggering on certain programme material.
>More enlightened stations (IMHO! which includes the two I oversee) don't use
>this rubbish and instead use triggers from the audio playout systems to the
>control system (typically using GPIs).
>The downside with this is that the "on" and "off" triggers need programming
>in conjunction with the audio and sometimes for odd reasons they seem to
>get divorced from each other in the running order.
>Lack of the "off" trigger is the one that causes the trouble of course as
>you would never know about missing the "on" trigger.

You should have a timer on the RDS system to cope with that else it
could be on for a year and a day;!.

One local station up in these parts uses direct digital signalling of
the RDS coder but still play the DTMF tones it serves as an announcement
that the traffic bully is on its way, which in Cambridge is "the city's
clogged up and the A14 is borked yet again";(...
--
Tony Sayer

[Jim Lesurf]

In article <m9v3ne$ju8$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright

In the same way that it knows it is expected/required to outsource. Thus
losing control because it has no idea of the details of how the outsourced
requirement is delivered.

[Bill Wright]

tony sayer wrote:

> Sub audible tones?, do tell never heard of those in Broadcast systems.

When we're in polite company, if I sound as if I might be starting to
stray away from the paths of respectable conversation, Hil gives out a
sub-audible tone. No-one else is attuned to it, so only I'm aware of it.
I can't describe the sound. It's a bit like how animals know when
there's going to be an earthquake. It's very frightening.

Bill

[Brian Gaff]

What? Well there you are then. No wonder half of Fleetwood Mac live there.
Brian

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[Mark Carver]

On 23/01/2015 19:38, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

> The downside with this is that the "on" and "off" triggers need programming
> in conjunction with the audio and sometimes for odd reasons they seem to
> get divorced from each other in the running order.
> Lack of the "off" trigger is the one that causes the trouble of course as
> you would never know about missing the "on" trigger.

Round here 2-TEN FM (now a Heart clone) managed to get their off and on
triggers arse about face for a week or so, resulting in three minutes
of raised TA from the *end* of each travel bulletin.

[Mark Carver]

On 22/01/2015 13:26, David wrote:

> Have phoned supplier Richer Sounds who are very concerned and their own
> engineer will be contacting me. It is something they have not heard of.

They are not very well informed then, and can't seem to use Google.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-2014-range.1870155/page-3

https://community.youview.com/youview/topics/_book_me_green_button

> It is a 3 week old Samsung smart TV UE55HU7500.
>
> Any ideas?
> A Samsung fault or a BBC fault?

As the 'Book Me' banner vanishes for other manufacturers, I'd say it's
Sammy's fault ?

[Indy Jess John]

On 25/01/2015 09:53, Mark Carver wrote:

> Round here 2-TEN FM (now a Heart clone) managed to get their off and on
> triggers arse about face for a week or so, resulting in three minutes
> of raised TA from the *end* of each travel bulletin.

The BBC used to do something similar with PDC codes on analogue BBC2.
If I set a recorder for a PDC tagged programme, I would sometimes find
they broadcast the PDC code just after the end of the preceding
programme, and again just before the programme started. My recorder
would store the bit in between - usually a 2-minute reminder that they
knew who had a TV licence and who didn't. For BBC transmissions I ended
up recording 5 minutes before to 5 minutes after instead of using PDC
codes just because the BBC couldn't be trusted to get them right.

Jim

[David]

On 25/01/2015 10:06, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 22/01/2015 13:26, David wrote:
>
>> Have phoned supplier Richer Sounds who are very concerned and their own
>> engineer will be contacting me. It is something they have not heard of.
>
> They are not very well informed then, and can't seem to use Google.
>
> https://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-2014-range.1870155/page-3
>
> https://community.youview.com/youview/topics/_book_me_green_button
>
>> It is a 3 week old Samsung smart TV UE55HU7500.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>> A Samsung fault or a BBC fault?
>
> As the 'Book Me' banner vanishes for other manufacturers, I'd say it's
> Sammy's fault ?
>
>

Yes I can usually Search the internet well, but as I said earlier adding
the word "Freeview" to my search did get me results.


As regards my problem it might be a little early to say this and I was
waiting to say it after little longer tome, but here goes.
I have not had the green dot and "book me" for a couple of days and all
I could think was it was a BBC fault last weekend and beginning of the
week and BBC had stopped sending it out to TV sets.
I had thought someone at the BBC who knows about this feature read here
and got something done.
Anyway fingers crossed for next few days to see.
Regards
David

[Brian Gaff]

Seems a weird one that, maybe its a rogue tv.

Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <slrnmc590l...@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe

<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> writes:
>On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:23:58 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> No. That's usually the radio station forgetting to reset the
>>>>appropriate flag at the end of the traffic interrupt.
>>
>> It should usually time out after (something like) 3 minutes, though I'm
>> not sure if that is implemented in the transmitter or the receiver.
>
>Neither. There is a timeout at the station end equipment and in London.

Ah, so in effect it _is_ in the transmitter (assuming that's what you
mean by "the station end equipment") - i. e. the traffic flag stops
being sent after 3 minutes. (If by "London" you mean the station
switched _from_, e. g. Radio 4, then the cheaper sort of receiver - most
of them - that only has one tuner, will surely not hear it as it's on
the local station?)

>
>> There is sometimes suspicion that some stations deliberately "forget" in
>> order to try to get listeners hooked on the station's output, though in
>> most cases it's probably not that.
>
>I would suspect it's not that in the vast majority of cases.

Indeed. (Though I've occasionally been a bit suspicious for certain
prog.s/stations.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Once a mind is opened it is very hard to shut.

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 11:46:35 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

>>Some stations use in band signalling, but using sub-audible tones
>
> Sub audible tones?, do tell never heard of those in Broadcast systems.

Something like 20Hz in the S signal if my memory serves (increasingly
unlikely with time).

>>Lack of the "off" trigger is the one that causes the trouble of course as
>>you would never know about missing the "on" trigger.
>
> You should have a timer on the RDS system to cope with that else it
> could be on for a year and a day;!.

Do try and keep up at the back. There is and always has been one.

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:38:10 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:

> When we're in polite company, if I sound as if I might be starting to
> stray away from the paths of respectable conversation, Hil gives out a
> sub-audible tone. No-one else is attuned to it, so only I'm aware of it.
> I can't describe the sound. It's a bit like how animals know when
> there's going to be an earthquake. It's very frightening.

Are you sure it's not just the brussel sprouts?

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:10:24 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>> It should usually time out after (something like) 3 minutes, though I'm
>>> not sure if that is implemented in the transmitter or the receiver.
>>
>>Neither. There is a timeout at the station end equipment and in London.
>
> Ah, so in effect it _is_ in the transmitter (assuming that's what you
> mean by "the station end equipment") - i. e. the traffic flag stops
> being sent after 3 minutes.

It depends what you mean by transmitter. I mean the big lump of metalwork
or similar on top a hill somewhere, not the orginating studio building.

> (If by "London" you mean the station switched _from_, e. g. Radio 4,

No I don't. I mean the place where some of the equipment/software is.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:35:17 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:

>>>Some stations use in band signalling, but using sub-audible tones
>>
>> Sub audible tones?, do tell never heard of those in Broadcast systems.
>
>Something like 20Hz in the S signal if my memory serves (increasingly
>unlikely with time).

I thought I vaguely remembered some details of a system used in the
early days of the ILR stations, so I looked it up.

There's an article in IBA Technical Review No 5 that explains it. To
save an extra programme circuit that would only occasionally be
required, the transmitter could be queried about its operating
parameters via an in-band signal that would be sent to it via the
programme path, and its reply would be sent via the transmission.

The query signal would inevitably be transmitted too of course, so for
a query from the studio centre, there would be two burst of data, the
query and its reply, about 15 seconds apart, although the transmitter
could also issue a signal spontaneously in the case of an alarm of
some sort, in which case there would only be one.

For FM transmitters, the carrier signal was at 14kHz, and for AM it
was 4.7kHz. The level for FM was -34dBm, though I couldn't find any
mention of what it was for AM. Otherwise the signalling system was the
same for both; a burst of about half a second contained an eight bit
word by phase modulating the carrier +/- 36 deg, and for the duration
of the burst an appropriate steep notch filter was inserted in the
audio feed. The intention was that nobody would notice, though I
recall hearing them quite clearly, even in the car. I suspect the
notch filter did most of the damage. I still find it astonishing that
a system like this could ever have been proposed, never mind accepted,
by people working in any business related to broadcast audio.

I think they must do it differently nowadays.

Rod.

[Mark Carver]

On 04/02/2015 20:15, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:35:17 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe

>> Something like 20Hz in the S signal if my memory serves (increasingly
>> unlikely with time).
>
> I thought I vaguely remembered some details of a system used in the
> early days of the ILR stations, so I looked it up.
>
> There's an article in IBA Technical Review No 5 that explains it.

Yep, down-loadable here:-

http://www.ntlpa.org.uk/memorabilia

> I think they must do it differently nowadays.

Yes, it's often all digits from studio to tx, so easy and transparent.

[Bill Wright]

No, when my missus is going to crack one out she announces it.

Bill

[tony sayer]

In article <slrnmd4pj5...@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> scribeth thus

Not on all systems there hasn't..

Might be so on BBC radio but not the case elsewhere..
--
Tony Sayer

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <slrnmd4psi...@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe

<ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> writes:
>On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:10:24 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> It should usually time out after (something like) 3 minutes, though I'm
>>>> not sure if that is implemented in the transmitter or the receiver.
>>>
>>>Neither. There is a timeout at the station end equipment and in London.
>>
>> Ah, so in effect it _is_ in the transmitter (assuming that's what you
>> mean by "the station end equipment") - i. e. the traffic flag stops
>> being sent after 3 minutes.
>
>It depends what you mean by transmitter. I mean the big lump of metalwork
>or similar on top a hill somewhere, not the orginating studio building.

Ah, a distinction that it is quite valid to make in u.t.b.. But to
answer what I didn't know in the above quote, what you're saying is that
the timeout is _not_ implemented in the (i. e. my) receiver.

>
>> (If by "London" you mean the station switched _from_, e. g. Radio 4,
>
>No I don't. I mean the place where some of the equipment/software is.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Everyone is entitled to an *informed* opinion." - Harlan Ellison

[Mark Carver]

On 05/02/2015 00:52, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

>>> Ah, so in effect it _is_ in the transmitter (assuming that's what you
>>> mean by "the station end equipment") - i. e. the traffic flag stops
>>> being sent after 3 minutes.
>>
>> It depends what you mean by transmitter. I mean the big lump of metalwork
>> or similar on top a hill somewhere, not the orginating studio building.
>
> Ah, a distinction that it is quite valid to make in u.t.b.. But to
> answer what I didn't know in the above quote, what you're saying is that
> the timeout is _not_ implemented in the (i. e. my) receiver.

No, the timeout (when there is one), is implemented by the broadcaster.
In the Beeb's case by the central national RDS server at BH. That's not
to say some manufacturers could/do implement a timeout within the
receiver though, but I doubt any do ?

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:52:46 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Ah, so in effect it _is_ in the transmitter (assuming that's what you
>>> mean by "the station end equipment") - i. e. the traffic flag stops
>>> being sent after 3 minutes.
>>
>>It depends what you mean by transmitter. I mean the big lump of metalwork
>>or similar on top a hill somewhere, not the orginating studio building.
>
> Ah, a distinction that it is quite valid to make in u.t.b.. But to
> answer what I didn't know in the above quote, what you're saying is that
> the timeout is _not_ implemented in the (i. e. my) receiver.

The timeout is not implemented in the receiver, correct.

[david.co...@tiscali.co.uk]

I had the persistent green dot, then I attached a USB stick for recording programmes, when the green dot next occurred I accepted the advice it gave, then I closed the screen and the green dot disappeared. It will always persist if it thinks you want to schedule a recording but have no USB installed in order to do so. Clearly a fault, but easily overcome, aand no doubt Samsung will put out a software fix eventually.

[johnw....@googlemail.com]

All you have to do to get rid of green dot and book me is take your connection lead out from back of television for 5 seconds plug straight back in and it's gone