Kingston Khaos......
Andy Donkin
The worst thing possible for the sport of Ice Hockey happened at Hull
Arena tonight.....With less than 15 minutes played, the game between
Kingston and Telford was abandoned due to a mass brawl involving ALL
players from both sides. The game hadn't even started when the crowd was
stopped from entering the building due to a brawl before the match. The
police were called and the brawl contained. Though quite why the main
involved players were allowed to play is a mystery. Mark Pallister and
Norman Pinnington, should have been excluded from the game, but lined up
to play. The game started, and the fight resumed after 12 seconds. Both
were then thrown out of the game, Norman also picking up a 10 minute
penelty, sat by Andy Steel. For the second faceoff, Hawks sent Bobby
McEwan against Josh Boni, obviously with no intent on playing hockey. as
the puck was dropped Bobby dropped his stick and went for Boni...the
fight resumed, resulting in a Hawks 5+game penelty. Bobby McEwan was out,
having achieved nothing, as Boni, quite rightly, only got a 2+2. Playing
5 on 3, Tigers went on the rampage, and were soon 2-0 up. However
Kingston fought back, and once back to four men, soon pulled level,
before a Stick Holding call on Telford was blown. At this point the
Telford bench emptied, and with Hawks being outnumbered on the ice, The
Kingston Lads, (Including Suit & Tie clad Micheal Knights) were soon on
as well, the mass brawl ensued, and from then on, the game was always
going to be abandoned. The Watkins brothers were going one on one, and
the netminders were also involved. In fact, every player in the building
should have been given a game penalty after the event, as all were
involved in the rumpus. Kids in the audience were crying, frightened half
to death. This is the worst thing I have ever seen happen in a hockey
game, and also in a hockey game which meant nothing. I was disgraced at
the McEwan/ Boni incident, which was clearly caused by ourselves. And
sevear dissiplinary action will undoubtedly follow. I am ashamed this
involved the Hawks, and hope that in future, the passion can be put into
winning the game, rather than going all out for a brawl.
I have been the first person to say that Kingston have played most
of this season with no passion, a stark contrast to the season start,
when it was commonplace to see four player kicked out a match. Surely,
there is a compromise, a compromise I thought we had achieved a fortnight
ago, with the 5-0 win over Telford. But, as it is, both teams are in for
some sevear punishment..........
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Glenn Keen
In article <330FBB...@magic.karoo.co.uk>, Andy Donkin
<AndyD...@magic.karoo.co.uk> writes
Apparently there were 506 minutes of penalties given out during last
nights abandoned game ( a new record :-( ).
There will be a meeting on Thursday to decide what action is to be
taken. Personaly I think both sides will be lucky to be allowed into the
playoffs. Romours at the Hull Ice Arena suggested that the ref was going
to give every player a 5 game ban if the game wasn't restarted !!
No players - No teams - no matches !?
Glenn.
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a
while, you could miss it" - Ferris Bueller.
Graham Goodman
Andy Donkin (AndyD...@magic.karoo.co.uk) wrote:
>Though quite why the main involved players were allowed to play is a mystery.
>Mark Pallister and Norman Pinnington, should have been excluded from the game,
>but lined up to play.
The problem is that no officials are ever present during a warm up, and
therefore can't give out penalties for offences they didn't see. I think
that both teams should have decided to leave both players out (after all,
they're not fighting out for a trophy), but that would have to be there
decision.
As for punishment, I don't think that the teams will be banned from the
playoffs. After all, that would hurt the other teams in the playoffs as
well. But, I don't agree with the previous comment that suggest the BIHA will
act leniently, especially in light of both teams financial difficulties.
The BIHA need to be seen to do something considering the exposure the event
has got. I think that Hawks as a team will be especially hit hard for puttingh
McEwen out, clearly to make a bad situation worse. If Pallister's racist
comments are proved (and I assume that he doesn't have the TV pictures that
are going against Schmeichal to prove that he did), then I think that he
could get a severe penalty, outwith whatever penalty Telford get for the
bench clearance (which as far as I can make out, is all Telford are guilty of
as a team).
Nice to see the PIHL provide another good advert for the sport. Somebody please
kill this league now...
Graham.
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Nev Bradshaw
On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:12:22 +0000, Glenn Keen
<gk...@enzodino.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Though quite why the involved players were allowed to play is a mystery. Mark Pallister and
>>Norman Pinnington, should have been excluded from the game, but lined up
>>to play. The game started, and the fight resumed after 12 seconds. Both
>>were then thrown out of the game, Norman also picking up a 10 minute
>>penelty, sat by Andy Steel.
Ah, Norman Pinnington! I remeber him. - When I last saw the Hawks
last season at Nottm. Mr Pinnington got misconducts for fighting and
(sic) making a travesty of the game. First and last time I heard that
on being called.
So now, according to what I've read in this N/G he's developed a
flare for headbutting. Jeez, even the Hanson brothers drew short of
that!
I've nothing against the folks of Kingston, I'm not a "Superleague
Snob" and I'm not averse to the "dust-up" on the ice, (oh, and before
anybody suggest it, nothing against any ethnic group) but this guy is
nothing but a senseless goon.
Ban him for life.
Mark Baggley
In article <3316238d...@news.enterprise.net>, Nev Bradshaw
<n...@pobox.co.uk> writes
down. Ban Norman, who reacted to racist abuse ??? What about Pallister ?
If anyone want's banning, it's him. First drugs, now racism. No player
makes a travesty out of the game, if they try to, the officials should
get rid of them, that's what the rules are for. I don't condone the
fighting, but if I was black and I'd been called what Norman was called,
I'd have tried to remove Pallister's stupid head from his shoulders.
If we start life bans, say goodbye to Shannon Hope, Sheffield v
Basingstoke and probably all the other hockey teams who have had
something like this in the past. Remember Durham V Sheffield or the
Hawks, Ross Lambert, etc. If you didn't see the incident, you're not fit
to judge.
Posted by:
Mark <Ma...@hawknest.demon.co.uk>
Keith A. Milner
In article <sFHBuFAJ...@hawknest.demon.co.uk>, Mark Baggley
<URL:mailto:MarkB...@hawknest.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> If we start life bans, say goodbye to Shannon Hope, Sheffield v
> Basingstoke and probably all the other hockey teams who have had
> something like this in the past.
Life bans are totally without any teeth anyway. Remember Mr Hunt (aka Sumo)?
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Graham Goodman
Keith A. Milner (kami...@iee.org) wrote:
>In article <sFHBuFAJ...@hawknest.demon.co.uk>, Mark Baggley
><URL:mailto:MarkB...@hawknest.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> If we start life bans, say goodbye to Shannon Hope, Sheffield v
>> Basingstoke and probably all the other hockey teams who have had
>> something like this in the past.
>Life bans are totally without any teeth anyway. Remember Mr Hunt (aka Sumo)?
Besides, no ones seems to be considering that Pinnington may have struck the
first blow, and the racist abuse from Pallister was the retaliation. I'm not
saying that justifies Pallister, but it does show that you can't talk about
life bans when you only know a very small fraction of the detail.
And before any lawyers come a-calling, this is hypothetical. I don't know if
Pallister was reacting to something Pinnington said...
Mark Baggley
In article <E6GML...@cee.hw.ac.uk>, Graham Goodman
<cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk> writes
>Keith A. Milner (kami...@iee.org) wrote:
>>In article <sFHBuFAJ...@hawknest.demon.co.uk>, Mark Baggley
>><URL:mailto:MarkB...@hawknest.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> If we start life bans, say goodbye to Shannon Hope, Sheffield v
>>> Basingstoke and probably all the other hockey teams who have had
>>> something like this in the past.
>
>>Life bans are totally without any teeth anyway. Remember Mr Hunt (aka Sumo)?
>
>Besides, no ones seems to be considering that Pinnington may have struck the
>first blow, and the racist abuse from Pallister was the retaliation. I'm not
>saying that justifies Pallister, but it does show that you can't talk about
>life bans when you only know a very small fraction of the detail.
>
>And before any lawyers come a-calling, this is hypothetical. I don't know if
>Pallister was reacting to something Pinnington said...
>
>Graham.
the ice from when Norman caem out, (Telford were out first) and goaded
Norman until the fight started. Pallister is also clearly seen on
another video, taken by the mascot's parents, "talking" to Matt
Trickett, usually by poking him in the chest ! I'm not suggesting Norm's
an angel and up to now I've not had any really problems with Pallister,
but he was racist . NO EXCUSE, whatever was said --
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Posted by:
Mark <Ma...@hawknest.demon.co.uk>
Mark Baggley
In article <E6IH3...@cee.hw.ac.uk>, Graham Goodman
<cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk> writes
>Mark Baggley (MarkB...@hawknest.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>>In article <E6GML...@cee.hw.ac.uk>, Graham Goodman
>><cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk> writes
>>>
>>>first blow, and the racist abuse from Pallister was the retaliation. I'm not
>>>saying that justifies Pallister, but it does show that you can't talk about
>>>life bans when you only know a very small fraction of the detail.
>>>
>>>And before any lawyers come a-calling, this is hypothetical. I don't know if
>>>Pallister was reacting to something Pinnington said...
>>>
>>>Graham.
>>>Sorry Graham, but I've seen the video. Pallister followed Norman around
>>the ice from when Norman caem out, (Telford were out first) and goaded
>>Norman until the fight started.
>
>know what provoked it then to make it carry on to the Saturday...
>
>Graham.
>Ok, I give in, you're right ! I don't know what was said on the
Thursday, but what could be worse than racism ? Maybe Norman told Pally
he was a good hockey player.....--
John Tomlinson
This is now getting silly - perhaps it's time to put this line of
discussion to bed - after all in a few minutes, I'm leaving to watch the
re-match (although I'm still not sure why we're having a re-match); the
players have almost completed their suspensions, the incident is old news,
and in spite of some correspondents' desire to keep digging at players who
they haven't seen play all season, it would be nice to think that we can
all put this behind us and start behaving like grown ups.
Then again, in four hours time I may be posting rather a different message,
particularly since Mr Pallister is back in the Telford side tonight!
As an aside, those who were confident of Norman Pinnington's head-butting
tendencies will have been disappointed to learn that the video evidence
presented yesterday to the BIHA showed that the head-butting call was
mistaken and his six match suspension for that offence has been quashed (I,
for one, never disputed the McEwen head-butting call!)
--
John Tomlinson