speed figures standard times

[paul....@oceanfree.net]

Can anybody tell me where I can get a list of standard times for UK
courses and possibly Ireland. Any and all help greatly appreciated

Paul

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[KLeary91]

Raceform Flat Annual for 2000 gives the official standard times for all UK
racecourses plus flat record times which can be useful to compare with.Quite a
few people have some doubts about the accuracy of Raceform standard times and
many prefer Dave Edwards ,formerly of Sporting Life who writes as Stopwatch in
the SL Wekender.You may get them in the Racing Post Guide to the Flat (were in
1998 edition with some French tracks).You can also use RFO little book for the
flat which usually contains Ken Husseys standard times (he was Dave Edwards
mentor when he started out) and you could use Nick Mordins in the appendix of
Mordin on Time. They all tend to be different because of different base
assumptions on what a standard time might be e.g a group one horse on good/firm
ground or a 100 rated horse on good ground or whatever. They nearly all change
slightly each year to allow for changes in track distance (eg Warwick at
present) or running rail modifications.Not sure about the Irish courses,most
usually include Curragh and Longchamp. You may find a list on the Racingpost
website?
Kevin Leary

[Craig Lorne]

Depends whose standards you want! Personally, I use Raceform's but I could
equally use Racing Post or Timeforms. I'm sure that they would all be
accomodating of a request for the times. After all, the key is not the
standard but the going allowance.

Craig
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[racin...@my-deja.com]

Thank you All

I shall check it out. Being short of time I was rather hoping some kind
person might have the data in a file or spreadsheet?

Paul

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[Mal DDD]

>After all, the key is not the
>standard but the going allowance.

Agreed, but you can't work out the G.A without a standard time.

I'd encourage anyone to compile their own standard times.

Mal Davies

[racin...@my-deja.com]

I have thought about doing this but how would you make a start on it, I
think I have enough data any suggestions
Paul
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[Craig Lorne]

Buy Mordin On Time, He has a chapter devoted to this.

Craig
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[Bigtone53]

>Raceform Flat Annual for 2000 gives the official standard times for all UK
>racecourses

Afraid not - just their version of them. When seeking a standard time, you
need to specify what you are asking for. For instance, one set of standard
times might be based on what a horse rated 140 by Raceform might expect to
achieve on good ground. Another set of standards may be based on the
expectations of good horses as rated by Weekender handicapper. A third ( and
to my mind silly) set of standards might be based on the normal class of horse
running at the track concermned. To my mind, ratings using the last approach
(ie Topspeed) are simply not able to compare properly results at different
classes of tracks.
Mordin's standards are based on around 3+ seconds above what a top class horse
should achieve.
The standards themselves dont really matter, altough it is comforting to know
that they are based on sound methodology and facts. It is the use made of
differences of actual times from the standard which is the basis of reliable
speed figures.
Hope this helps. TonyW

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[nick...@my-deja.com]

In article <8b92ph$7an$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

racin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Thank you All
>
> I shall check it out. Being short of time I was rather hoping some
kind
> person might have the data in a file or spreadsheet?
>

>To be frank, after spending hundreds of hours compiling standards, it
is a bit of a cheek to simply ask someone to provide you with their
figures.
>Nick.

>
> Paul
>
> In article <8b8u7h$4ce$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>,
> "Craig Lorne" <craig...@talk21.com> wrote:
> > Depends whose standards you want! Personally, I use Raceform's but I
> could
> > equally use Racing Post or Timeforms. I'm sure that they would all
be

> > accomodating of a request for the times. After all, the key is not

the
> > standard but the going allowance.
> >

> > Craig
> > <paul....@oceanfree.net> wrote in message
> > news:8b8b7n$ikq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > Can anybody tell me where I can get a list of standard times for
UK
> > > courses and possibly Ireland. Any and all help greatly appreciated
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >