Peter Sandrovitch
Simon
I have been a member of Peter Samdrotivch for 2 years and have kept
meticulous records, using a seperate bank account for betting, I always try
to go for first show, early price and i can sometimes bet tax free (depening
on what event) Sticky patch towards the end of last year wiped £8000 from my
betting back, but it;s a long term thing and total profits, working hard
to get the right prices my curent winning banlace is a touch under £24,000.
Howver it does take patience to call three times a day, and losing £1000 on
a bet hurts badly, but the good times do come pack, the pay as you win line
is showing 16 out of 17 wimmers.at £200 per bet, the profits speak for
themselves. I am only a member because I work full time and can't have my
head buiried in the RP all day, but I would say he offers pretty good valur
for money.
Regards.
Simon
Bigtone53 <bigt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990210161620...@ng104.aol.com...
>>>I don't know how good he understands the English Dictioary but there his
>>>not such a thing as double maximum,there his nothing higher than maximum
>
>Steady - he may or may not be a god-awful tipster, but most people who
have
>been near a pub know what a double top is.
>TonyW
Lyndon Pugh
>
> Hi.
>
> I have been a member of Peter Samdrotivch for 2 years and have kept
> meticulous records, using a seperate bank account for betting, I always try
> to go for first show, early price and i can sometimes bet tax free (depening
> on what event) Sticky patch towards the end of last year wiped £8000 from my
> betting back, but it;s a long term thing and total profits, working hard
> to get the right prices my curent winning banlace is a touch under £24,000.
> Howver it does take patience to call three times a day, and losing £1000 on
> a bet hurts badly, but the good times do come pack, the pay as you win line
> is showing 16 out of 17 wimmers.at £200 per bet, the profits speak for
> themselves. I am only a member because I work full time and can't have my
> head buiried in the RP all day, but I would say he offers pretty good valur
> for money.
>
> Regards.
>
> Simon
>
Regards
Lyndon
Dave McAuley
<Si...@xanax.freeserve.co.uk> writes
That last sentence is just such an obvious bullshit comment, christ you
even mis-spell obviosuly to make it look like just another dumb punter.
Oh look...another Freeserve account....pull the other one Sandrovitch
and I do wish you would stop pointing, take a look at Patrick Newman
next to your advert on page 41 of Saturday's RP, much less offensive.
Same old bullshit though. You can't get rich my backing just the one
selection in a race. Varied staking is the best way, everyone knows that
and tipsters certainly aren't the answer long term as they become too
involved in the process of tipping, too lazy and neglect any good
intentions they may have had in the first place and let their form study
slip, next comes confidence, self-respect and before you know it, you're
posting under pseudonyms in a newsgroup...if it wasn't so funny it would
be sad'rovitch.
--
Dave McAuley
Dave McAuley
<new...@nym.alias.net> writes
>o you really believe this, Dave? Or was it a (justifiable) exaggeration
>in response to a muffin post?
No, in fact a more knowledgable person on these matters has since
pointed out that both postings came from Planet Online with fake
Freeserve e-mail addresses. Ok, it may not be Sandrovitch but if it was
a genuine posting...why try to disguise where you posted it from ?
>
>I've been wondering about backing more than one selection. Recently I've
>made a few notes about the horse I consider the main danger and it seems
>to win about as often as the main selection, usually at a good price.
>
>Is there a formula for working out how much to bet on each horse?
Ok, let's say you want to back 3 horses in one race, make a note of them
and their best available odds as follows -:
Horse A - 4/1 25
Horse B - 9/2 18.2
Horse C - 9/1 10
Now convert the odds to probabilities, roughly this is -:
100/(Odds+1)
Horse A - 25 (4/1)
Horse B - 18.2 (9/2)
Horse C - 10 (9/1)
Calculate the Total Probabilities for your selections = 48.18.
Now to find the stake on each return, simply decide how much you want to
lay out on the 3 selections, let's say £50 and then multiply that figure
by the probability of each runner divided by the total probability.
Stake's = Total Outlay x Individual Probability / (Total Probability)
Horse A Stake = 50 x 25 / (48.18) = 20.75
Horse B Stake = 50 x 18.2 / (48.18) = 18.87
Horse C Stake = 50 x 10 / (48.18) = 10.38
Total Outlay = 50.00
To Calculate the return from whichever horse wins, simply apply the
following formula -:
Returns = Stake(A,B or C) x Odds + Stake(A,B or C) - Total Outlay
par example -:
20.75 x 4/1 + 20.75 - 50 = 53.77
So you are guaranteed a 53.77 profit no matter which horse wins. The
simple formula combined with sound form study and a lot of other bells
and pieces combined with statistics is the only truly reliable way to
make money as you are perhaps reducing your profit the more selections
you have but increasing the probability of you showing a profit. It can
also be applied very well to football and to any sports, like the FA Cup
and ante-post races. I will probably back up to 6 horses is some races
at Cheltenham and be guaranteed a profit regardless which one wins. So
long as you keep your head and study the form, profit should be ensured.
Worked for me last year and on a lot of flat races last year. If anyone
wants a copy of the spreadsheet I have to calculate it, drop me a mail.
--
Dave McAuley
Dave McAuley
<new...@nym.alias.net> writes
>Thanks for the detailed reply. I'll have a go at this, on paper anyway,
>and see how I get on.
>
>One last point: do you have any trouble getting your bets on like this?
>For example, do you have to round up the amounts or use different
>bookies, etc?
I messed the calculations up on my posting, they should have read -:
Horse A 4/1 (Prob - 20)
Horse B 9/2 (Prob - 18.18)
Horse C 9/1 (Prob - 10)
The total probability is now 48.18 but the stakes change as follows -:
Horse A Stake = 50 x 20 / (48.18) = 20.75
Horse B Stake = 50 x 18.18 / (48.18) = 18.87
Horse C Stake = 50 x 10 / (48.18) = 10.38
The guaranteed return should any one win is still 53.77. Obviously the
shorter the odds, the less the return but the increased probability of
finding the winner. I've found it's best to use this not only on
football but also in horse races where there is a likely false favourite
that can be left out of the equation.
I've found that it's best to round up or down amounts until they add up
to the total outlay (staff get pissed off and probably suspicious when
you ask for an £18.87 win on a selection) and have as many different
accounts as possible. Because you are actually going to back more
loser's than winner's with this staking system and hopefully with
different bookies. It may look to most of the bookies that you are
making a loss when in fact overall you are making a profit, lessening
the chances of you being rumbled or having an account closed.
--
Dave McAuley
Simon
Thank-you for your comments, some of which I agree with. My real email
address is spw...@mcb.net, if you check the hosting of the server you will
discover where I am from and that I am not Peter Sandrovitch in disguise!
The reason I post from a freeserve account (which does however use my real
name) is to avoid the kind of junk mail you get when revealing your normal
address. There is nothing secretive about it, just practicality.
I don't think this forum is moderated and I kind of take exception to your
comments. Fine, you don't agree with me, and I am all for healthy, frank and
free discussion, but some of your comments are slightly on the acidic side.
I choose to pay my money over to Peter every year because he produces
winners, not just on horses, but sport bets too. In fact I tend to bet more
on sport than horses. I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that there are a
lot of rip-off merchants out there, but I am a happy customer expressing my
opinion. I don't expect to get jumped on for it.
I hope you won't be offended by what I have written, it is not meant
personally. If you choose to bet differently to me, then I wish you luck, we
are all free to choose how we bet and spend our money.
Regards.
Simon Wales
Dave McAuley <da...@raceuk.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Simon
neither will get bounced. My original posting was not a fake nor a
pseudonym.
Rgds.
Simon
Simon <Si...@xanax.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7anfc6$uan$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>Hi.
>
>I have been a member of Peter Samdrotivch for 2 years and have kept
>meticulous records, using a seperate bank account for betting, I always try
>to go for first show, early price and i can sometimes bet tax free
(depening
>on what event) Sticky patch towards the end of last year wiped £8000 from
my
>betting back, but it;s a long term thing and total profits, working hard
>to get the right prices my curent winning banlace is a touch under £24,000.
>Howver it does take patience to call three times a day, and losing £1000 on
>a bet hurts badly, but the good times do come pack, the pay as you win line
>is showing 16 out of 17 wimmers.at £200 per bet, the profits speak for
>themselves. I am only a member because I work full time and can't have my
>head buiried in the RP all day, but I would say he offers pretty good valur
>for money.
>
spwale...@my-dejanews.com
Thank-you for your comments, some of which I agree with. My real email
address is spw...@mcb.net, if you check the hosting of the server you will
discover where I am from and that I am not Peter Sandrovitch in disguise!
The reason I post from a freeserve account (which does however use my real
name) is to avoid the kind of junk mail you get when revealing your normal
address. There is nothing secretive about it, just practicality.
I don't think this forum is moderated and I kind of take exception to your
comments. Fine, you don't agree with me, and I am all for healthy, frank and
free discussion, but some of your comments are slightly on the acidic side.
I choose to pay my money over to Peter every year because he produces
winners, not just on horses, but sport bets too. In fact I tend to bet more
on sport than horses. I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that there are a
lot of rip-off merchants out there, but I am a happy customer expressing my
opinion. I don't expect to get jumped on for it.
I hope you won't be offended by what I have written, it is not meant
personally. If you choose to bet differently to me, then I wish you luck, we
are all free to choose how we bet and spend our money.
Regards.
Simon Wales
Dave McAuley <da...@raceuk.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:RDmX7fAZ...@raceuk.demon.co.uk...
>In article <7anfc6$uan$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Simon
><Si...@xanax.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>Hi.
>>
>>I have been a member of Peter Samdrotivch for 2 years and have kept
>>meticulous records, using a seperate bank account for betting, I always
try
>>to go for first show, early price and i can sometimes bet tax free
(depening
>>on what event) Sticky patch towards the end of last year wiped £8000 from
my
>>betting back, but it;s a long term thing and total profits, working hard
>>to get the right prices my curent winning banlace is a touch under
£24,000.
>>Howver it does take patience to call three times a day, and losing £1000
on
>>a bet hurts badly, but the good times do come pack, the pay as you win
line
>>is showing 16 out of 17 wimmers.at £200 per bet, the profits speak for
>>themselves. I am only a member because I work full time and can't have my
>>head buiried in the RP all day, but I would say he offers pretty good
valur
>>for money.
>
>That last sentence is just such an obvious bullshit comment, christ you
>even mis-spell obviosuly to make it look like just another dumb punter.
>Oh look...another Freeserve account....pull the other one Sandrovitch
>and I do wish you would stop pointing, take a look at Patrick Newman
>next to your advert on page 41 of Saturday's RP, much less offensive.
>Same old bullshit though. You can't get rich my backing just the one
>selection in a race. Varied staking is the best way, everyone knows that
>and tipsters certainly aren't the answer long term as they become too
>involved in the process of tipping, too lazy and neglect any good
>intentions they may have had in the first place and let their form study
>slip, next comes confidence, self-respect and before you know it, you're
>posting under pseudonyms in a newsgroup...if it wasn't so funny it would
>be sad'rovitch.
>
>--
>Dave McAuley
>
>
>
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neither will get bounced. My original posting was not a fake nor a
pseudonym.
Rgds.
Simon
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Simon <Si...@xanax.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>Hi.
>
>I have been a member of Peter Samdrotivch for 2 years and have kept
>meticulous records, using a seperate bank account for betting, I always try
>to go for first show, early price and i can sometimes bet tax free
(depening
>on what event) Sticky patch towards the end of last year wiped £8000 from
my
>betting back, but it;s a long term thing and total profits, working hard
>to get the right prices my curent winning banlace is a touch under £24,000.
>Howver it does take patience to call three times a day, and losing £1000 on
>a bet hurts badly, but the good times do come pack, the pay as you win line
>is showing 16 out of 17 wimmers.at £200 per bet, the profits speak for
>themselves. I am only a member because I work full time and can't have my
>head buiried in the RP all day, but I would say he offers pretty good valur
>for money.
>
>Regards.
>
>Simon
>Bigtone53 <bigt...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:19990210161620...@ng104.aol.com...
>>>>I don't know how good he understands the English Dictioary but there his
>>>>not such a thing as double maximum,there his nothing higher than maximum
>>
>>Steady - he may or may not be a god-awful tipster, but most people who
>have
>>been near a pub know what a double top is.
>>TonyW
>
>
>
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