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John Routerer

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mac <S...@MYLEGscrest.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Is it fair that a player who only has one bet in the month, (£30 on a 4/9
shot) can get promoted to the next league?
Any thoughts?


Forgive me Mac cos i'm just an impartial observer, it doesn't seem illegal
to me.!

I'm considering a footie bet wednesday
Scotland 1/33
Argentina 1/16
Italy 1/14
Poland 1/6
Russia 1/10
Slovakia 1/16
Switzerland 1/14

One of my footie know all mates has suggested i include England at 2/5
.........hhhhmmmmnn... Risky
j.

mac

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Is it fair that a player who only has one bet in the month, (£30 on a 4/9
shot) can get promoted to the next league?
Any thoughts?

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Ian P.

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Mar 28, 2001, 2:17:33 AM3/28/01
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> mac <S...@MYLEGscrest.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:99r6v3$4fq$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Is it fair that a player who only has one bet in the month, (£30 on a 4/9
> shot) can get promoted to the next league?
> Any thoughts?
>
>
Couldn`t a rule be introduced to Fantasy League that every player should
stake at least the £1000 that they are given every month? Otherwise,
relgation.

Only 12 of the top 29 in the thoroughs have staked more than £1000 this
month so far.

Ian P.


Derek Underwood

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Mar 28, 2001, 1:33:15 AM3/28/01
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Is it fair that on the strength of one bet you can win the league? Every
player should have to make at least 3 bets throughout a month.

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Bob Cousins

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Mar 28, 2001, 9:19:40 AM3/28/01
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I thought the art of betting was knowing when not to bet, as well as
when to strike a bet.

Conversely if the rule was you had *only* one bet, would that be fair?

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Bob Cousins.

wacko

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Mar 28, 2001, 10:19:22 AM3/28/01
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It wouldn't be unfair if everybody had to bet on 10 selections a month.

Steve


Chilli

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Mar 28, 2001, 12:39:34 PM3/28/01
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This post got me thinking, I had a look at the 95 people in a promotion
place in the Platers league before today's racing, just comparing them with
my own stats for this month I see a few interesting things.....

my record for this month is ... staked 7674 won 9 placed 12 lost 11
strike rate 28.1% level stake profit/loss -3.7 PTO -13.0%

checking the 95 to be promoted as they stand today.......

100% have staked less
96% have less winners
97% have less placed
68% have lower strike rate

Considering I lost my 1000, the next 2 stats are interesting...

25% have a bigger level stake loss
54% have a worse PTO

But after all these figures I still think the way the league is done now is
the fairest way, taking into account different peoples betting strategy, I
don't see how it can be made any fairer than it is now, you can't ask people
to only bet at level stakes, this won't be fair on the guys that go for the
big 33/1's etc. you can't ask people to have a minimum number of bets per
month, or stake a minimum amount per month, I wouldn't fancy going into
Ladbrokes to find a min stake rule or a min amount of wagers having to be
placed. the only 2 rules I would like to see changed are the last day to
enter, at the moment its crazy having the 23rd as the cut off date, if you
want to enter then you should enter in the first week, imagine football
leagues like this, we'd have teams like Sheff Wed joining the league at Xmas
with 40 points in the bag already, in the Platers league if you started on
the 23rd you'd be jumping around 160 places before making a bet, the second
rule I'd like to see is simple, if you finish in profit you go up, if you
don't you go down, this surely must be fair to everyone, everyone that gets
promoted can say they earned it, no more one bet @ £30 and going up, its
supposed to be a tipster comp, only the best at the top, the ones making a
profit, the rest ( me included ;o)) at the bottom.

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Chilli


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Fantrace

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Mar 28, 2001, 1:02:08 PM3/28/01
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In article <99r6v3$4fq$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "mac"
<S...@MYLEGscrest.fsnet.co.uk> writes:

>Is it fair that a player who only has one bet in the month, (£30 on a 4/9
>shot) can get promoted to the next league?
>Any thoughts?
>

Oh no, not this one again. I thought we'd discussed and voted this to death
quite recently.

Malcolm Wright
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Other Email to Mal...@aol.com please

May all your selections be winners :-)))

denislindridge

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Mar 28, 2001, 1:07:26 PM3/28/01
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"Its a game man,its a game!"...please say out loud as in Heartbreak Hotel
starring Tim Healy.
This topic periodically raises its head and lets face it...everybody has
such varying opinions that its virtually impossible to please everybody.
There doesn`t seem to be anything grossly unfair with how things are but
depending which side of the fence you are on...you could say Macs original
post does strike a chord.
There is a definite tendency for The Thoros to be ultra cautious and stake
small amounts compared with us rag-tags in the Platers.
Personally,when I had a glorious run and was pipped for 1st on the last day
of the month--it didn`t alter my GO FOR IT policy the following
month...straight back down.
I back max stakes every time and suppose this mirrors my betting style
amyway.People play the FL in many different guises--what about that gadgy
who registered his "girlfriend" so he could have double whammies?
Mac is making a point when he puts thirty snots on a 4/9 to get
promoted..fair enough but lets not forget it is only a bit of fun(as long as
I`m in front of Chilli) and also any changes might incur more graft for The
FL admin guru....the sung (note sung not unsung :-) ) Paul.
Bluedog...who is he? Who let the bluedog out?
den


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Paul Aitman

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Mar 28, 2001, 4:53:56 PM3/28/01
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In article <gosw6.3107$MD6.2...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
denislindridge <denisli...@ntlworld.com> writes

>I back max stakes every time and suppose this mirrors my betting style
>amyway.People play the FL in many different guises--what about that gadgy
>who registered his "girlfriend" so he could have double whammies?

You just like to get it over with as quickly as possible eh Den?

Seriously, innuendo aside, I think it's all down to taste. If you want
to play in Thoros it's relatively straight forward to get there and rub
shoulders with the regulars like Roger aka Capt Oatflake.

The fire and forget lobby are always going to have wild swings, winning
one month then an early bath the next. Who is to say what the best way
of playing is?

People who maintain a Thoroughbred pedigree have as far as I know never
actually won the combined table, so their adopting a less risky strategy
means they will never for instance get in the Hall of Fame (silence at
the back!).

Anyway as Malcolm says this has been done to death and it is after all
only a bit of fun...

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Paul Aitman
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denislindridge

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Mar 28, 2001, 5:26:12 PM3/28/01
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>>You just like to get it over with as quickly as possible eh Den? >>
Ah! Intercourse.I remember it well.
When moving into our present dwelling some 6 months ago..the puchase of a
new bed was of primary importance.The puchase was completed by a right
huckle who didn`t realise the importance of the "squeek" factor in the
purchase of such an item.
Has caused major problems since we`ve had said bed.Squeeks like stink when
tempo is increased.
Met the Huckle in tescos..buying vegetarian dishes of course..."Ey that bed
you sold us..squeeks like stink during "relations" "
"Oooo I don`t know about that...we cannot check for that sort of thing" he
bemoaneed as he loaded his basket with Ben& Jerries ice cream and Pork
Dinners for two.
DonŹt get me wrong......for 364 days of the year the bed is probably
OK...its just the bloody 365th thats the problem!
denini the limpo


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> In article <gosw6.3107$MD6.2...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> denislindridge <denisli...@ntlworld.com> writes
> >I back max stakes every time and suppose this mirrors my betting style
> >amyway.People play the FL in many different guises--what about that gadgy
> >who registered his "girlfriend" so he could have double whammies?
>
> >

mac

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Mar 28, 2001, 6:29:18 PM3/28/01
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denini the limpo.

Are you having another dig young-un?

denislindridge

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Mar 29, 2001, 12:27:37 PM3/29/01
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No no Master..I merely meant that I was the limp one.

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Roger Standing

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Mar 29, 2001, 2:02:57 PM3/29/01
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>
> Seriously, innuendo aside, I think it's all down to taste. If you want
> to play in Thoros it's relatively straight forward to get there and rub
> shoulders with the regulars like Roger aka Capt Oatflake.

I suppose the name of the game entitles us all to have our little fantasies.
Beastie, Chilli and Denini seem to see themselves as playboys able to bet in
maxis, knowing full well that if they run out of cash that a doting dad will
fork out another grand.

My game is that I am a pro backer of horses. I saved hard to build up my
betting bank and I have to conserve it as there is nobody to give me another
one. Not only do I have to be careful with my capital but I have to make a
steady profit in order to pay the mortgage and maintain a growing family.
Since embarking on this fantasy last year I have found it fascinating, and
can now make any of my daily selections in the time it takes for a kettle to
boil.

I'm not one for poring over form for hours on end, I haven't the patience
and wouldn't know what to look for, whilst my methodology seems to work as
on a level stakes approach I have made a profit overall and practically
every month. Since Fantasy was reorganised last April I have only spent one
month outside Thoroughbreds, and have bet at least the amount of my bank
every month except one.

Playing the game seriously has taught me a lot about punting, especially how
to take a disciplined approach, and I thoroughly enjoy the Fantasy
competition. Thank you Paul and all my fellow players.

Captain Oatflake

Roger Standing

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Mar 29, 2001, 2:13:34 PM3/29/01
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>
> People who maintain a Thoroughbred pedigree have as far as I know never
> actually won the combined table, so their adopting a less risky strategy
> means they will never for instance get in the Hall of Fame (silence at
> the back!).

August 1997, November 1999? And I was playing carefully then, even though on
the 1999 occasion I placed a maxi on what I thought was a cert and it
obliged at 25/1. But you are right, I was a lowly Handicapper those months

Captain Oatflake.


Firebeast

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Mar 29, 2001, 3:36:49 PM3/29/01
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> I suppose the name of the game entitles us all to have our little
fantasies.
> Beastie, Chilli and Denini seem to see themselves as playboys able
to bet in
> maxis,

International man of Mystery I may be Woj, but playboy? Methinks not.
How can you lump my passion, blood sweat and tears in with the
fly-by-night attitude of Den and Chilli?
I work hard at my craft (No I'm not building a boat Den) and labour
long and hard in finding those elusive winners.
Further more, I would suggest it is you with the playboy attitude, if
you are not studying the form, and are merely sticking a pin in, while
the kettle boils.
It is my much considered opinion that Den, Chilli and YOU are the
playboys, and are not taking it seriously enough...a new rule should
be, that you must take at least 5 hours per race to study the form,
and in the time honoured school way, show all your working out.
This can be done quite easily, by logging in to the site and being
sent a *clocking in slip*...you will then be timed by the
administrators...at which time...5 hours later...you can *clock out*.
You then have exactly one hour to get the results of your labour into
admin, showing the said working out...no calculators, spell checkers
off....and you will be marked down for bad speeling.
Just to make it even more of a test, the administrators should pick
out the race for you to select from, none of this *easy way out* by
being able to pick any old race...oh no...a nice set of unraced 2 yo
could do for starters...

If it is seen by the FL admin that you haven't spent enough time on
each race, then you should be added to a FL Rogues Gallery, where
people can download your photo to put above the mantle piece, to keep
the kids away from the fire.

That aside, I think you'll find I haven't entered the competition for
a long time now, certainly not over the sticks IIRC, and my max bets
were very few.

I am a pro' and at this game, and I'll trust you to treat me like one,
thank you very much.

With that, a swish of my cape, a tap of my cigarette holder and an icy
stare...I'll be off...

Good night...

Beastie.

Roger Standing

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> International man of Mystery I may be Woj, but playboy? Methinks not.
> How can you lump my passion, blood sweat and tears in with the
> fly-by-night attitude of Den and Chilli?
> I work hard at my craft (No I'm not building a boat Den) and labour
> long and hard in finding those elusive winners.
> Further more, I would suggest it is you with the playboy attitude, if
> you are not studying the form, and are merely sticking a pin in, while
> the kettle boils.

Who says I stick a pin in? I just have different methodology and probably a
different thinking speed.

> It is my much considered opinion that Den, Chilli and YOU are the
> playboys, and are not taking it seriously enough...a new rule should
> be, that you must take at least 5 hours per race to study the form,

and I'd end up in Platers for life?

> and in the time honoured school way, show all your working out.
> This can be done quite easily, by logging in to the site and being
> sent a *clocking in slip*...you will then be timed by the
> administrators...at which time...5 hours later...you can *clock out*.
> You then have exactly one hour to get the results of your labour into
> admin, showing the said working out...no calculators, spell checkers
> off....and you will be marked down for bad speeling.
> Just to make it even more of a test, the administrators should pick
> out the race for you to select from, none of this *easy way out* by
> being able to pick any old race...oh no...a nice set of unraced 2 yo
> could do for starters...

I've worked on my methodology so that I have fewer races to consider. I zoom
in on just a few horses for my consideration. If you get down to your form
study of every horse racing on a single raceday, no wonder it takes you
time, but your attention is very thinly spread..Why would the admistrators
behave like that? Bookies don't decide which races we can bet on.

> If it is seen by the FL admin that you haven't spent enough time on
> each race, then you should be added to a FL Rogues Gallery, where
> people can download your photo to put above the mantle piece, to keep
> the kids away from the fire.

I'm prepared to allow that anyway, for the kids' sake.

> That aside, I think you'll find I haven't entered the competition for
> a long time now, certainly not over the sticks IIRC, and my max bets
> were very few.

Sorry, I hadn't noticed that, but I don't pay much attention to the minor
leagues. I was just going by what you had written in the past.

> I am a pro' and at this game, and I'll trust you to treat me like one,
> thank you very much.

Well done, if that means you are paying your way. See you in T group!


:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


Firebeast

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Mar 29, 2001, 4:12:46 PM3/29/01
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> Well done, if that means you are paying your way. See you in T
group!

Can't see that happening EVER....or even the Platers to be honest

Beastie


denislindridge

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Mar 29, 2001, 5:53:59 PM3/29/01
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> I suppose the name of the game entitles us all to have our little
fantasies.
> Beastie, Chilli and Denini seem to see themselves as playboys able to bet
in
> maxis, knowing full well that if they run out of cash that a doting dad
will
> fork out another grand.>>
Me! Me! The 3rd Earl of Hartlepool accused of being a playboy?
Tosh.Tosh I say.
I know you Capt Wheatflake...oh yes I know you....you`re the one who sits at
the front with an open baccy tin and a pile of slips writing Fantasy bets
out and showing them after the race!
Thats you that is.
How much tea have you had to drink to enable you to pick your 2 FL winners
this month?
Captain Oatflake? Captain Tosh more like.Oh Yes!
Denis Stringfellow.


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>
>
> >
> > Seriously, innuendo aside, I think it's all down to taste. If you want
> > to play in Thoros it's relatively straight forward to get there and rub
> > shoulders with the regulars like Roger aka Capt Oatflake.
>
>

Chilli

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Playboy eh, I can live with that label, and I admire your sensibility, but
my need to feel alive and throw caution to the wind usually over rides my
sensible side, and you know what, I wouldn't have it any other way ;o))

--
Be Lucky
Chilli


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Paul Aitman

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In article <99r6v3$4fq$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, mac
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>Is it fair that a player who only has one bet in the month, (£30 on a 4/9
>shot) can get promoted to the next league?
>Any thoughts?

Okay so people have mentioned it on the message board too and it looks
like one of those things that the only way we are going to resolve this
is through a vote, so please take a moment...

http://www.fantasy-racing.co.uk/Vote.html

Regards,

Laddy

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Mar 30, 2001, 1:21:35 PM3/30/01
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I am going to make a concerted effort to make the Thoroughbreds in the
coming two months; watching the relative positions of other players in order
to be promoted.
Any others want to have a go please post for as a group we might oust those
sitting on their laurels and they will have to fight amongst the rabble for
a change.

Just for a bit of good fun

Laddy


zonker99

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Mar 30, 2001, 2:31:04 PM3/30/01
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Hooray! Three cheers for 'Hilt' new leader in the platers and combined!!!!

Cheers Z>99.

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ff

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I think it should stay as it is. Partly just because I think people
should be able to do do as they wish. Partly I think that while fun in
fantasy you shouldn't encourage the idea that the way of getting ahead
in gambling is to bet more...
You may be right that its a bit unfair for the person who bets 30
pounds and loses can still sometimes be promoted just because everyone
else has lost more. But staking is part of the thing and ultimataly
its a pragmatic bottom line. The person who loses less loses less
regardless of their skill because they are matching their staking to
their abilities.
I once almost won a league by doubling up my stakes and making a
large profit. It made sense for a fantasy plater but no one could say
it was a good strategy in reality. So thats what it comes down to, is
it a statistical game or closer to reality. I'd rather it remained as
it is. Everyone who cares can look at the tables and know whats really
going on.
I notice my view is not winning the vote but perhaps the small
stakers are waiting for the end of the month to slip in a small one...

Possibly a meaningless ramble but my two cents (not that I have
actually had time to play recently).

(PS a possibally sadistic voice at the back of my head says the
logical answer to everyone is to say you can only get a promotion ir
you are near the top of the leauge AND make over 500 pounds profit
which would really make it a game of merit....)

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