Speed Ratings
RupFrost
Since the demise of the Sporting Life, the compilation of speed ratings now
seems to be dependant on times supplied by Raceform - am I the only one worried
about having a large bet based on a figure that may be completely erroneous?
Regards,
Rupert.
J.W. McCree
The daily star used the Raceform/handicap books speed figs for a while.
The star now uses speed figs called 'clockform'.
I dont think 'clockform' is the same as 'split second' which is the
raceform/handicap books speed figs.
I dont know how the star computes 'clockform' .
Cheers JIM
Dave Edwards
The STOPWATCH speed ratings compiled by Dave Edwards are now featured daily
for all meetings on the Sporting Life site www.sporting-life.com
J.W. McCree <jw...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in article
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Hugh Tebbett
In article <01bd84e0$ce529020$LocalHost@default>,
"Dave Edwards" <stop...@zen.co.uk> wrote:
The Daily Star has used Raceform's "Split Second" ratings for many years under the Clockform
legend (they even used to name the compiler Ken Hussey when he did them).
As for Dave Edwards "Stopwatch", his articles and ratings appear in the new "Racing Post
Weekender" in the same format. To be honest, I find this weeks edition much improved since they
have scrapped some of the crap articles such as "Betting Boots" and "Bets in Question" (which
were always a source of annoyance to me) and introduced one or two new features.
Hugh Tebbett
Long Eaton, Nottingham
hteb...@netcomuk.co.uk
Bigtone53
Get the Weekender. We fought to keep Dave Edwards there, and although they
cocked up his figures for Wednesday and Saturday a week ago, he is still going
strong. They even now include figures for Wednesday's racing, which is a plus.
Tony
nick
>The STOPWATCH speed ratings compiled by Dave Edwards are now featured daily
>for all meetings on the Sporting Life site www.sporting-life.com
dave edwards
Any tips on the best ways to use these ratings?
Ie would selecting the highest rated horse of the day produce a good
return, or is it better to concentrate on races where there is a big
difference between the first and second highest rated horse?
In races where only one or two have ratings is this because
the others were too slow to record a worthwhile time or have they
simply never been timed.
Also are there any figures available which show a good rating
for respective classes of horse
ie what would be a good rating for a group one prospect,
class a,b,c,d,e, runners etc.
nick
nick
>>The STOPWATCH speed ratings compiled by Dave Edwards are now featured daily
>>for all meetings on the Sporting Life site www.sporting-life.com
> dave edwards
looking at fridays ratings would i be correct
in thinking that weet a minute in the 5.oo at haydock
looks a good bet according to the ratings.
It has by far the higest rating of the day and
has won over todays distance. Given at 5/1 would that
be value, or am i misreading how to use ratings
nick
Will Cutler
In article <199805212022...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
bigt...@aol.com says...
most accurate speed ratings - his going allowances almost always
agree with my calculations. Nice to see Dave contributing to the group.
I finally had a reply from the Sporting Life who said that Dave would
be with the Weekender until the end of the flat season. I hope that
doesn't mean that he will be leaving later this year. If you're out
there Dave could you clarify please ?
Will
se...@nine.ten
On Fri, 22 May 1998 07:19:50 +1200, acu...@es.co.nz (nick) wrote:
> looking at fridays ratings would i be correct
>in thinking that weet a minute in the 5.oo at haydock
>looks a good bet according to the ratings.
> It has by far the higest rating of the day and
>has won over todays distance. Given at 5/1 would that
>be value, or am i misreading how to use ratings
>nick
The SL ratings coincide with my own computer racing software's ratings.
BUT weet-a-minute has not won a race this year, nor in fact for the last
two seasons. Keep your money in your pocket, as he cannot be value. his
performance over the last two furlongs of a race are dismal.
great dane and mazboon both have wins under the belt. (Far more
important than some high rating by a bad horse). Both these winnners run
well over the last two furlongs, which is where it counts the most.
Kenneth
iam...@globalnet.co.uk
Bob Cousins
Have I missed something? Great Dane won his last race in poor company in a slow
time, whereas Weet-a-minute ran well at the finish to come 4th, a length off the
leader who won in a much faster time.
It seems to me that Great Dane is an ideal favourite to oppose with a faster
horse who's previous form is likely to cause it to be underrated by the market.
I shall have a small punt anyway - please let me know if I got the analysis
wrong!
--
Bob Cousins, Software Engineer.
Home page at http://www.lintilla.demon.co.uk/
Derek Fitzpatrick
RupFrost wrote in message
<199805211407...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>Since the demise of the Sporting Life, the compilation of speed ratings now
>seems to be dependant on times supplied by Raceform - am I the only one
worried
>about having a large bet based on a figure that may be completely
erroneous?
>
>Regards,
>Rupert.
Can you clarify your statement, I am not sure if you are saying that you do
not accept the Official Race Time or if it is the Split Second speed figure
that you are suspicious of. My main concern about "time" in this country is
the fact that race distances vary on the same course from day to day when
the running rail is moved to provide better going. I have been taking Split
Seconds into account since first buying what was then the Handicap Book in
1953. I don't use the figures blindly but they do point to a true run race
and indicate if a horse is improving.
In another reply Nick mentions Weet-A-Minute having a high rating in the
last at Haydock today, Formcast in the Daily Mail also has it top rated. I
did not see it's last race at York as I was on holiday and it appears to
have been a race where Nigrasine set a good pace with five of the other
runners held up.
In todays race it would be unwise to plunge on Weet-A-Minute as Great Dane
has not been tested to put up a good time yet. He is well regarded and
entered in the Queen Anne and St James Palace. Mazboon is probably capable
of more if he is fit.
A better "time" bet IMHO is Red Prairie at Pontefract. His rating of 63 is
very high for a 2yo.
A lot has happened over the years to change speed figures including stalls
and electric timing. Speed figures are much lower than they used to be. At
one time I would not back a 2yo if it had a SF of less than 90.
Derek.
se...@nine.ten
>>BUT weet-a-minute has not won a race this year, nor in fact for the last
>>two seasons. Keep your money in your pocket, as he cannot be value. his
>>performance over the last two furlongs of a race are dismal.
>>
>>great dane and mazboon both have wins under the belt. (Far more
>>important than some high rating by a bad horse). Both these winnners run
>>well over the last two furlongs, which is where it counts the most.
>
>Have I missed something? Great Dane won his last race in poor company in a slow
>time, whereas Weet-a-minute ran well at the finish to come 4th, a length off the
>leader who won in a much faster time.
Great Dane made up a lot of ground in the last two furlongs in the above
race, a winning feature of very few horses. Only class animals have this
ability.
>It seems to me that Great Dane is an ideal favourite to oppose with a faster
>horse who's previous form is likely to cause it to be underrated by the market.
>I shall have a small punt anyway - please let me know if I got the analysis
>wrong!
I am sure your pocket let you know :)
In the case of Weet-a-minute, his high speed ratings were given him by a
fast run race, in which he was 'dragged along'. He has no winning form,
with which to back up his speed ratings. His performance over the last
two furlongs is also dismal.
In the race yesterday, he made up 2 or 3 lengths, to just come in
second. Not good enough in this class of race.
Great Dane's last two furlongs performance is incredible, as witnessed.
I would say that this is one of the best performances this season. NOTE
*one* of the best seen this season. The best so far are King of Kings
and Cape Verdi.
Incidently, King of Kings will trash this years Derby field, one of the
worst for a long time. He has *class*, that is the ability to
accelerate, and 'win in a few strides'. The current favourite, Greek
Dance's last run was over rated, he did not beat anything of
consequence. (Capri, second, is also overrated, and will not win any
thing of consequence.)
Kenneth
iam...@globalnet.co.uk