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Harry Demetriou

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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I note that Fallon and Cecil are to go their separate ways PERMANENTLY
for personal rather than professional reasons whatever that may mean.

As you all know I've never liked Fallon on a personal rather than
professional level, because of his antics in the days when involved with
the Ramsdens. Right from his early days to the Top Cees incident he was
part and parcel of the blatant defrauding of the betting public with the
way in which horses were not run on merit. The really sad part was when
the courts acquitted them over the Top Cees incident but then they
couldn't really come to any other conclusion because it was not
provable.

I know that there are a lot of trainers who do this but not in the same
blatant way that this combination did it. Not that it was entirely his
fault because as we all know jockeys have to do what their trainers tell
them to do otherwise they are out on their ear.

I will be interested to see what these personal reasons are (when and if
eventually they do get disclosed) and wonder if they involve Mrs Cecil
(the current one) who has been known to have upset several people at
Warren Place in the past with her dictatorial manner.

It all seems to have been a bit sudden and as the departure happens at
the end of the week must be something very serious.

I make a Mrs Cecil involvement odds on favourite but then again maybe he
hasn't been riding some of the horses on their own merit without telling
the guvner:-))))) but it couldn't be this as that would be something I
would consider to be a professional difference.
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Harry Demetriou

Jason McCaul

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Harry,

I heard on the Newmarket grapevine that alledgedly Mr Fallon was caught
in an uncompromising position with Mr's Cecil i.e. in the shower.

--
Jason McCaul
(jason....@dial.pipex.com)

Steven Jones

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Harry Demetriou wrote:

> I will be interested to see what these personal reasons are (when and if
> eventually they do get disclosed) and wonder if they involve Mrs Cecil
> (the current one) who has been known to have upset several people at
> Warren Place in the past with her dictatorial manner.
>
> It all seems to have been a bit sudden and as the departure happens at
> the end of the week must be something very serious.

One of the tabloids reported last week that Natalie Cecil was screwing
an unnamed jockey. Looks like Keiren has been doing a "Norman
Williamson"....

It's a good opportunity for Richard Quinn, but what will happen to
Fallon? Riding Ian Balding's horses is hardly going to keep him on 200
winners per season. Maybe Aiden O'Brien will find some work for him.

Steve

Dave McAuley

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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In article <379ECC...@dial.pipex.com>, Jason McCaul <nospamjason.mcc
a...@dial.pipex.com> writes

He always was pretty good on fillies, I doubt whether he would have rode
her all the way to the line but probably kept something in hand.

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Dave McAuley
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studley

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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What chance fallon goes to bin suroor ?
dettori and fallon would make an interesting team

mark


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firebeast

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Look I'm sorry, but being caught naked in a shower with your bosses wife
doesn't necessarily mean they were 'up to' anything......he may just have
been helping her out...err..of the shower.....err or something...
Anyway, there's an easy get out here....all Fallon needs to do is tell Derek
Thompson what he's been doing, Tommo tells Brough, Brough tells Alistaire
Down, he puts article in Racing Post, they all go to court, and Tommo gets
branded a liar and takes the blame yet again.Fallon officially cleared again
in a court of law, and job's a good un.
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Steve.
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Derek Fitzpatrick

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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First a sauna now a shower. Fallon and some other jockeys were questioned by
the police a few years ago after allegedly being entertained by the owner of
an Edinburgh sauna who employed underage girls. Honest Guv, I was just
trying to get my weight down for tomorrow.
It seemed that the police picked on the jockeys as they were well known and
put the frightners on them to get information against the sauna owner who
was later up in court. One jockey ( not Fallon ) was even threatened with
rape charges.
Regards
Derek.
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Lawrence Vail

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Harry Demetriou wrote in message ...

>I note that Fallon and Cecil are to go their separate ways PERMANENTLY
>for personal rather than professional reasons whatever that may mean.
>He is riding winners in Cecil's bedroom.Honest!

Roland

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Errm... perhaps he was shagging Cecil's wife....

Roland

Harry Demetriou wrote:
>
> I note that Fallon and Cecil are to go their separate ways PERMANENTLY
> for personal rather than professional reasons whatever that may mean.
>

> As you all know I've never liked Fallon on a personal rather than
> professional level, because of his antics in the days when involved with
> the Ramsdens. Right from his early days to the Top Cees incident he was
> part and parcel of the blatant defrauding of the betting public with the
> way in which horses were not run on merit. The really sad part was when
> the courts acquitted them over the Top Cees incident but then they
> couldn't really come to any other conclusion because it was not
> provable.
>
> I know that there are a lot of trainers who do this but not in the same
> blatant way that this combination did it. Not that it was entirely his
> fault because as we all know jockeys have to do what their trainers tell
> them to do otherwise they are out on their ear.
>

> I will be interested to see what these personal reasons are (when and if
> eventually they do get disclosed) and wonder if they involve Mrs Cecil
> (the current one) who has been known to have upset several people at
> Warren Place in the past with her dictatorial manner.
>
> It all seems to have been a bit sudden and as the departure happens at
> the end of the week must be something very serious.
>

Paul Aitman

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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In article <kqGUYCAF...@mindspring.com>, Harry Demetriou
<hde...@hdemet.demon.co.uk> writes

>As you all know I've never liked Fallon on a personal rather than
>professional level, because of his antics in the days when involved with
>the Ramsdens. Right from his early days to the Top Cees incident he was
>part and parcel of the blatant defrauding of the betting public with the
>way in which horses were not run on merit. The really sad part was when
>the courts acquitted them over the Top Cees incident but then they
>couldn't really come to any other conclusion because it was not
>provable.

For such shrewd trainers doesn't anyone else find it odd that a lot of
the Ramsdens' ex-horses seem to have improved 20lbs now they're in the
hands of other trainers...

Someone with a cynical mind might think they kept all their horses
consistently under-handicapped by a good stone and picked the races they
wanted to farm at their leisure.

Shame they buggered off to France and don't have to answer any awkward
questions really...

--
Paul Aitman

Harry Demetriou

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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In article <kqGUYCAF...@mindspring.com>, Harry Demetriou
<hde...@hdemet.demon.co.uk> writes
>I note that Fallon and Cecil are to go their separate ways PERMANENTLY
>for personal rather than professional reasons whatever that may mean.
>
>I make a Mrs Cecil involvement odds on favourite but then again maybe he
>hasn't been riding some of the horses on their own merit without telling
>the guvner:-))))) but it couldn't be this as that would be something I
>would consider to be a professional difference.

I really didn't know until just now that there were reports in a Sunday
paper last week that Mrs Cecil was in a shower with some top jockey.

If only I could be as perceptive and predictive with my betting
selections.
--
Harry Demetriou

Jason McCaul

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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Heres one for you,

the Newmarket grapevine also informed me that he was alledgedly upto the
same tricks with Mrs R.

--
Jason McCaul
(jason....@dial.pipex.com)

Derek Fitzpatrick

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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As I turned on the TV today Fallon was being interviewed and telling Clare
Balding "That he enjoys coming from behind" At the end of the interview
Clare thanked him for being so honest with us.

Regards
Derek.
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Stephen Powell

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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Now THAT is really, really sick!!

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firebeast

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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.....oh...I...don't..know....mmmmmm.....(drifts away into fluffy dream like
state, where Linda is dressed only in jockeys boots and a riding saddle
strapped to her back. (both pink).........what
...err..sorry...love...err.nno....just writing to the lads at racing NG, and
thinking of you.....er gotta go fellas....
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Mike Bergquist

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studley <stu...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What chance fallon goes to bin suroor ?
> dettori and fallon would make an interesting team
>
> mark

Fallon will end up with Stoute, Stevens will ride for a Californian trainer,
possibly riding The Thoroughbred Corp. horses.

Mike

Neil

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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> I think Henry Cecil has made a big mistake in choosing Richard Quinn as his
> next stable jockey. Given Natalies taste in men (Henry, Keiran) wouldn’t he
> have been safer going for one of the younger pretty boy jockeys, she does seem
> to like her men with that lived in , rugged look.


Dom Bradshaw

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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<snip>

>Errm... perhaps he was shagging Cecil's wife....
>
It was the first thing to come into my mind when I heard the story on
Radio 5 on Wednesday morning.... shows how my mind works doesn't it?

How about we setup a Fantasy competition to match the Trainers wife
with the jockey? Could have some fun here! :-)


DOM

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