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Chris

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98
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Henry is charging 895 pounds until the end of the flat !!!!
Chris

HARRY DEMETRIOU

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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In article <TBi31AAA...@coddie.demon.co.uk>, Chris
<Ch...@coddie.demon.co.uk> writes

>Henry is charging 895 pounds until the end of the flat !!!!
>Chris

A VERY poor investment IMHO.
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Harry Demetriou

Dave McAuley

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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In article <TBi31AAA...@coddie.demon.co.uk>, Chris
<Ch...@coddie.demon.co.uk> writes
>Henry is charging 895 pounds until the end of the flat !!!!
>Chris

Why didn't he just round it up to an even 900, oops that's a little too
close to 1000 I guess. Doesn't this seem a little high to anyone ? I'd
like to know exactly why he was dropped by the Racing Post, well
actually no I don't think I would. Now if only we can get Pricewise to
stop tipping horses and to just simply publish the best odds tables,
perhaps we won't get horses shortening less before the phone lines open.
There is nothing worse than spending hours researching races only to
find they your selection(s) been tipped by Pricewise/Henry Rix or
whoever and the price has shortened dramatically.

Here is a Henry Rix style tip...Jorrocks on Wednesday in the Victoria
Cup at Ascot at 10/1 with Ladbrokes. He's been aimed for this race and
is a decent e/w bet, so let's see if we can influence the market with
this 7f specialist who will swoop late ;-)

--
Dave McAuley
<The Wire - Racing & Sports Monthly>
0171 681 1883
http://www.raceuk.com/


Mal DDD

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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>I'd
>like to know exactly why he was dropped by the Racing Post,

Obvious innit? Got badly turned over by Harry Redknapp in the Post's tipping
competition at Aintree and probably decided to fall on his sword.

I see Henry Rix Racing as an opportunity for the rest of us, as no doubt it
will result in certain horses being shortened up, much as with the Winning
Line. Yes, I'm sure Henry will continue to highlight 33-1 shots in the weeks
running up to the big flat handicaps and that some of them will win but I can
see such horses becoming almost like the Beyer horses in the States, and over
bet accordingly. Not only that, but those 'in the know' will be a far more
select (and heavier hitting) bunch than those who routinely used to follow
Henry's newspaper tips and, given the usual fearlessness of the Big Two and a
Bit, a couple of hefty bets and bang, the value has gone.

Moreover, Pricewise will have an even greater influence in this regard,
especially on Saturdays, with the Post as the only paper and Beat the Book
disappearing, and I personally would want some very pressing reasons to back,
of my own volition, a Pricewise Saturday nap (unless I can find out what it is
going to be before the shepherd has told the sheep which way they're running
today).

Mal Davies

PS note to Harry Redknapp if he reads this NG. If you get a vote of confidence
from your Chairman, can you post it here first and give us chance to get down
the bookies!

Ken Jude

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:12:08 +0100, Dave McAuley
<da...@raceuk.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I'd


>like to know exactly why he was dropped by the Racing Post, well
>actually no I don't think I would.

I've been led to believe that he actually chose to go, although that
is third hand information.

Golden Bx.

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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I remember when he still worked for Today Newspaper. He was totally
cluless - even made Fred Shawcross look like a good judge!
Although he has obviously improved, he's still third rate in my opinion.
GBx.

Jonathan Pollinger

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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I've heard from a friend of a friend that the Racing Post were not prepared
to meet his salary demands. Looking at the fees for his tipping service this
is quite believable.

Jonathan Pollinger

Golden Bx. wrote in message <354353CF...@no.thanks>...

Colin Houlihan

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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Mal DDD <mal...@aol.com> writes

>I see Henry Rix Racing as an opportunity for the rest of us, as no doubt it
>will result in certain horses being shortened up, much as with the Winning
>Line. Yes, I'm sure Henry will continue to highlight 33-1 shots in the weeks
>running up to the big flat handicaps and that some of them will win but I can
>see such horses becoming almost like the Beyer horses in the States, and over
>bet accordingly. Not only that, but those 'in the know' will be a far more
>select (and heavier hitting) bunch than those who routinely used to follow
>Henry's newspaper tips and, given the usual fearlessness of the Big Two and a
>Bit, a couple of hefty bets and bang, the value has gone.
>
I`m not sure I agree that his selections will now be shorter priced than
when he was a headline tipster for the Post. Even though the routine
followers of Henry`s newspaper tips would bet smaller amounts than those
who will subscribe to the service they all add up, and when a bookie
sees a horse well tipped he only has to take limited bets to 10.15am (or
earlier) and can then shorten the price dramatically in the knowledge
that he`ll still lay it at the shorter price as it`s such a public tip.
This has probably been more true recently since the Racing Post wiped
out the Sporting Life in bookies. His selections in non-handicaps
midweek will probably be shorter priced than before if a couple of big
hitters try to get on but in the big handicaps the general public is
more likely to bet on a horse tipped by a headline writer, especially if
he/she has a good recent record, than one just because the price
shortens (although both obviously happen).

Also how many people will be willing to pay 895 quid for a service that
was previously free? I imagine The Winning Line is the service with the
most clients (due to advertising and employing well known racing
figures), how may subscribers do they have, and is Henry Rix likely to
get more? Presumably the Racing Post will have noticed how popular he
was when writing his pieces and soon install a definitive person to do
the Betting Bureau (rather than whoever`s nearest as seems the case at
the moment). After all Henry Rix was merely the Today newspapers main
racing writer before joining the Racing Post, he wasn`t generally
thought of as the top betting guru in the country. Someone else with a
similarly confident writing style and a few early big-price successes
will probably be as well regarded.

--
Colin Houlihan

exeter.ox.ac.uk

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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nick wrote:

> Sounds expensive but only works out at
> about 4 quid a day, not much different to a call
> to a slow talking scamy tipster.
> nick

Yes, but £4 a day is a shocking amount to have to pay. If you bet £50 a
day then this is another 8% tax on your betting. If you are betting more
than this you should certainly be competent enough to make your own
decisions rather than rely on other people. Personally, I think tipsters
are dreadful, just for the simple reason that the most satisfying
element of gambling on horses is to try and work out the puzzle that a
race presents, and to be proved correct in your analysis. Systems bore
me also, unless I have thought of them.

James Knight

nick

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Apr 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/27/98
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Good buisness though, he
only needs about 20 clients to make
a decent living. Question is ,is he cashing
in on his position as a well known journalist
or is he sure he can come up with a profit?.

Chris

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Apr 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/27/98
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>Also how many people will be willing to pay 895 quid for a service that
>was previously free? I imagine The Winning Line is the service with the
>most clients (due to advertising and employing well known racing
>figures), how may subscribers do they have, and is Henry Rix likely to
>get more? Presumably the Racing Post will have noticed how popular he
>was when writing his pieces and soon install a definitive person to do
>the Betting Bureau (rather than whoever`s nearest as seems the case at
>the moment). After all Henry Rix was merely the Today newspapers main
>racing writer before joining the Racing Post, he wasn`t generally
>thought of as the top betting guru in the country. Someone else with a
>similarly confident writing style and a few early big-price successes
>will probably be as well regarded.
>
I believe the Winning Line is dearer. I have joined a relay service and
from the last 4 weeks the Winning Line is awful. 5 selections a day how
can anyone make it pay like that. I wonder if they have got so big that
if they tip one horse a day it has too much influence on the price. Most
of the midweek gambles on Saturdays races seem to be tipster inspired.

There must be a way of making money opposing their selections but the
bookies do not seem to push out the prices of the others.
Chris

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