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Tommy

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Jun 25, 2003, 11:12:47 AM6/25/03
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Found this interesting review of a golf course in Ireland...
http://www.europegolf.com/course-reviews/ireland/lahinch-golf-club.htm

Anyone been there?

Tommy

zponge

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Jun 25, 2003, 2:37:15 PM6/25/03
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I've been to Lahinch town but haven't played the course. The old course is
top class and has been used for many a regional championship. It is very
hilly (not that the hills are large there's just lots of them and sometimes
you can't see where you are going). The fairways looked very tight and if
the wind was blowing it could be a very daunting course especially off the
back sticks. I've heard enough about it to say go for it - it's one of the
top courses in Ireland but one that maybe isn't that well known.


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John Turner

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Jun 25, 2003, 3:31:12 PM6/25/03
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I live there and play there four days of every week that God permits.

Recommended read for:

Mark Myers
Richard Brown
John Laird
John Gibb
Demetri
Chris Booth
Ian Clark

Cheers

John T


John Laird

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Jun 25, 2003, 6:04:47 PM6/25/03
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:31:12 +0100, "John Turner" <jgtu...@not.for.use.net>
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>"Tommy" <to...@myway.com> wrote in message
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>> Found this interesting review of a golf course in Ireland...
>> http://www.europegolf.com/course-reviews/ireland/lahinch-golf-club.htm
>>
>> Anyone been there?
>

>I live there and play there four days of every week that God permits.
>
>Recommended read for:
>
>Mark Myers
>Richard Brown
>John Laird
>John Gibb
>Demetri
>Chris Booth
>Ian Clark

Already checked it out :-) Can hardly wait !


John

Bob

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Jun 25, 2003, 7:00:28 PM6/25/03
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My son took me on a weeks vacation to Ireland for my 60th birthday a couple
years ago. Lahinche was the first course we played upon arriving at Shannon
airport. We both thought it was a great course, difficult but rewarding of
a good shot. Having arrived from the USA the same morning and having walked
the course, we barely made it to the bar for a few Guinesses after the
round. I highly recommend this course. It's a treasure well worth
searching out.


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amosfamily

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Jun 26, 2003, 1:12:39 AM6/26/03
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> <<snipsnipsnip>>

> I live there and play there four days of every week that God permits.
>

I'm sure that you deserve to be in such a position, but having not been able
to get on a golf course for nearly a fortnight due to worj and family
commitments I am sure that others will understand when I say

I HATE YOU JOHN TURNER

no offence intended

david amos
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Richard Brown

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Jun 26, 2003, 2:12:39 AM6/26/03
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"John Turner" <jgtu...@not.for.use.net> wrote in message
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You are just trying to scare us all into losing loads of balls so we can buy
the Guinness afterwards - and ....

....it's working.

Seriously, I have read that article and also devoured the information on the
Lahinch GC website. Having never played a links course before I am looking
forward to big time.

Richard


zponge

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Jun 26, 2003, 3:19:11 PM6/26/03
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"John Turner" <jgtu...@not.for.use.net> wrote in message
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So John, give us an insight if you don't mind. What's it like to play; what
are the hardest holes etc. How does it compare to Portmarnock, etc. What
other courses do you recommend in the area (epecially the not so well known
ones).


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John Turner

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Jun 26, 2003, 6:41:43 PM6/26/03
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I'll try to answer you. It is never the same two rounds in a row, and it
changes quite significantly during the year. For example right now the rough
is at its toughest. It is mostly marram grass and fescue. The fescue grows
to it tallest in June, above knee-deep in places. It really grabs the club.
By the end of July it will have dried out and been broken down by constant
traffic. By September it will be little wisps of dried out grass.

The course changes with the weather. At the moment, because of the dry
spell, it is playing hard and fast. I normally hit a driver between 200 and
225 yards. Last week I had one of over 280 - all roll.

The wind is the single biggest factor being hard on the Atlantic. Anything
up to four clubs is common.

The hardest holes are everything except 2,4,5,13 and 18. A recent hole
indices evaluation shows that 15,6,10,and 7 are the four toughest in that
order.

I have never played Portmarnock so I cannot compare. It is definitely better
than Ballybunnion. The best links course on the island has always been
considered to be Royal County Down. The "hidden gems" for my money include
Murvagh (Donegal), Enniscrone and The European Club. The ones to avoid are
Doonbeg and Old Head.

I'll leave it at that for now.

Cheers

John T.>


zponge

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Jun 27, 2003, 2:25:43 PM6/27/03
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Thanks for that John,

So is the rough the sort where you can see your ball but when you play it
the grass wraps around the club and the ball goes anywhere?

I have played RCD several times but I rate Portrush higher (most people like
RCD better). I like the look of Mount Julliet though I've never played it.
I'm interested in the 'hidden gems' as up here in the North everyone hears
about Portrush and Newcastle and nowhere else. Courses like Castlerock,
Portstewart, Ballycastle, Whitehead and Ardgass for example are fine links
courses and Belvoir, Malone, Clandeboye, Gracehill, Massereene and Spa for
example are all excellent parkland courses.

Wdyw

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Jun 27, 2003, 4:00:21 PM6/27/03
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> The best links course on the island has always been
>> considered to be Royal County Down. The "hidden gems" for my money include
>> Murvagh (Donegal), Enniscrone and The European Club

Royal County Down?????? In the North we rate it second best (by a long long
way) to Portrush! Saying that walking over the top at the 9th on a good day is
rather special.

peter kook

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Jun 27, 2003, 7:44:14 PM6/27/03
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> but having not been able
> to get on a golf course for nearly a fortnight due to worj

sounds unpleasant - are you infectious?


John Turner

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Jun 29, 2003, 12:29:35 PM6/29/03
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> "John Turner" <jgtu...@not.for.use.net> wrote in message
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Big big snip

> Thanks for that John,
>
> So is the rough the sort where you can see your ball but when you play it
> the grass wraps around the club and the ball goes anywhere?
>
> I have played RCD several times but I rate Portrush higher (most people
like
> RCD better). I like the look of Mount Julliet though I've never played it.
> I'm interested in the 'hidden gems' as up here in the North everyone hears
> about Portrush and Newcastle and nowhere else. Courses like Castlerock,
> Portstewart, Ballycastle, Whitehead and Ardgass for example are fine links
> courses and Belvoir, Malone, Clandeboye, Gracehill, Massereene and Spa for
> example are all excellent parkland courses.
>
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I've only played RCD and Portrush Dunluce once each. I think RCD is the
tougher course but Portrush the more enjoyable. In the list of other course
in the North you neglected to mention Portrush Valley - a very good track. I
play in the Bushmills each year and so have played Castlerock, Royal
Portstewart and Ballycastle. I don't rate Ballycastle that high but the
toughest rough in Ireland may well be at Castlerock.

Yes the fescue is the tall spindly stuff that looks like nothing but grabs
the club so fiercely it can turn a wedge into a 3-iron.

To give you an idea about how tough Lahinch is at this time of the year - I
had 31 points yesterday and finished fourth behind a 35 and two on 32. CSS
76 non-counting. Today I was five down in the v-par competition and came
home thinking I'm in with a chance.

Cheers

John T


Wdyw

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Jun 29, 2003, 1:07:13 PM6/29/03
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>> I have played RCD several times but I rate Portrush higher (most people
>like
>> RCD better).

Still find that hard to beleive.For evey golfer at my home club whom prefers
RCD I could find 10 who would opt for Portrush ....and of course that view is
not tainted due to the fact that when we competed in one of the Irish club
championship finals at RCD they wouldn't let anyone over the doorstep of the
club. What a mockery!

>> I'm interested in the 'hidden gems' as up here in the North everyone hears
>> about Portrush and Newcastle and nowhere else. Courses like Castlerock,
>> Portstewart, Ballycastle, Whitehead and Ardgass for example are fine links
>> courses

Strangely I prefer the first 5 at Ballycastle to the rest of the course (too
disjointed). THe 5oo yds of Margy river must out the fear of God into many a
player!. Played there in the Ulster Boys many many years ago. Some 14 year old
called Rafferty went round in 68 in the qualifing round (didn't bother playing
in the knockout stages). Apparently he went on to become a rather good
player....

and Belvoir, Malone, Clandeboye, Gracehill, Massereene and Spa for
>> example are all excellent parkland courses.

Always preferred Knock to Belvoir (great course ..never seen the greens up to
scratch though) and as for Malone ....ahh great days ..... Queens used to play
there and for something like £20 a year we could urn up, pay a quid and have a
lap.

Used to love playing at Dunmurry before they put a road through it. THe 10th
hole there along with the 7th at Malone must have been the two toughest par 4's
in the north (4th at Portrush also...)

>toughest rough in Ireland may well be at Castlerock.
>

Worst rough I ever came across in NI was at Portrush round the time the North
was played...but was also dependant on the weather. However ..it was semi
compared to my club in England. THe rough is never ever cut and if you put one
into it you almost automatically play a provisional.

BrianE

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Jun 29, 2003, 2:43:48 PM6/29/03
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Tommy wrote:
> Found this interesting review of a golf course in Ireland...
> http://www.europegolf.com/course-reviews/ireland/lahinch-golf-club.htm
>

I've played Enniscrone plus a few others. Enniscrone is a true gem

http://www.europegolf.com/courses/ireland/west-northwest/enniscrone-golf-clu
b.htm

B.


peter kook

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Jun 30, 2003, 7:10:11 PM6/30/03
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"Wdyw" <wd...@aol.comspamsux> wrote in message

> Strangely I prefer the first 5 at Ballycastle to the rest of the course
(too
> disjointed). THe 5oo yds of Margy river must out the fear of God into many
a
> player!. Played there in the Ulster Boys many many years ago. Some 14 year
old
> called Rafferty went round in 68 in the qualifing round (didn't bother
playing
> in the knockout stages). Apparently he went on to become a rather good
> player....

Never fulfilled his potential though - I saw him aged about 19 on the
European Tour when he seemed phenomenally talented. Was it the comfortable
living and the taste for fine wines that killed his hunger for high
achievement or was he led astray by some coach trying to 'build a new
swing' - the road to oblivion for many a talented player.


DrJohn

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Jul 1, 2003, 9:40:20 AM7/1/03
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> Never fulfilled his potential though - I saw him aged about 19 on the
> European Tour when he seemed phenomenally talented. Was it the comfortable
> living and the taste for fine wines that killed his hunger for high
> achievement or was he led astray by some coach trying to 'build a new
> swing' - the road to oblivion for many a talented player.

A young familly, a few bad injuries. Like Ballesteros you have to
wonder what keeps them turning up tournament after tournament. I think
I'll have to check out the european tour site to see what category
Rafferty is in nowadays. I know he got an extension to his exemptions
due to the injury but I would have thought his winning the European
Order of merit exemption would be up by now ...and career earnings
would not have so great in the late 80's early 90's to compete with
modern also-rans.

Anyway ..talking of other Irish golfers, my partner in crime from my
amateur days is getting to tee it up on Thursday in the European Open
so good luck to him!

peter kook

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"DrJohn" <wd...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Never fulfilled his potential though - I saw him aged about 19 on the
> > European Tour when he seemed phenomenally talented. Was it the
comfortable
> > living and the taste for fine wines that killed his hunger for high
> > achievement or was he led astray by some coach trying to 'build a new
> > swing' - the road to oblivion for many a talented player.
>
> A young familly, a few bad injuries. Like Ballesteros you have to
> wonder what keeps them turning up tournament after tournament.

The money, honouring the sponsorship committments...
But to be fair to Ronan I think he still has a love of golf and golf courses
as well as very fine wines.


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