Pure Spin
Dave Shields
Peter A-B
the steering wheel".
Forget these wonder clubs, they just don't work. If you want to play golf
then learn how to hit the ball properly.
There are no short cuts. Once you realise that then the enjoyment comes in
improving through practice.
--
Peter
Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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Andreas Andersson
Peter A-B wrote:
> It's a bit like saying "The most important nut on a car is the nut holding
> the steering wheel".
>
> Forget these wonder clubs, they just don't work. If you want to play golf
> then learn how to hit the ball properly.
>
> There are no short cuts. Once you realise that then the enjoyment comes in
> improving through practice.
>
Exactly, and if you try some balata balls then you notice that getting backspin
isnt that hard at all,
atleast not when using a sandwedge.
/Andreas
Dave Shields
I know how to hit a golf ball, just thinking of the durability of the
diamond face against the increased wear on the ball.
Dave.
Peter A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Terry <terry909@
Dave Shields wrote:
It never ceases to amaze does it? A person asks for information about a
SPECIFIC item (i.e. the Pure Spin wedge) Then he gets no replies about that
item - but the usual patronising "learn to hit the ball properly" brigade.
If you cant answer the original question - dont answer a question that isnt
there, that you just wish you could answer in your selfish patronising tone.
Learn some social skills or get back to the range and play with your grips.
I can hit the ball properly, the Pure Spin is a good wedge, Ive tried one, but
to be honest, I use a 59 degree Cobra tri-bounce "trusty rusty" and found no
difference in the amount of spin I could impart. I have seen a review of the
Pure Spin somewhere lately - but cant remember which magazine it was in. : (
Regards
Terry
Dave Shields
Thanks for your reply, useful info as opposed to the people with a chip on
there shoulder.
Dave.
Terry <terry909@ .hotmail.com > <"nospam> wrote in message
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Peter A-B
you an honest opinion. The road to golf is littered with fools parting with
money for the promise of instant success. I was just helping you to keep
some of your hard earned money in your pocket.
I noticed that out of 80 -100 posters/lurkers to this newsgroup you got one
person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty rusty.
Why not castigate the others for not replying?
Go ahead, purchase the diamond encrusted wedge. It's your money. But ask
yourself, how many tour pros are out there using it? How many of us are
using it?
I gave you an honest opinion, don't shoot the messenger just because you
don't like the message.
--
Peter
Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Terry
> Thanks for your reply, useful info as opposed to the people with a chip on
> there shoulder.
> Dave.
>
> Terry <terry909@ .hotmail.com > <"nospam> wrote in message
> news:Ohnq5.6168$NR3.8...@news1.cableinet.net...
> >
> >
Dave Shields
As a new subscriber to this group I was hoping for so helpful advice(as
provided by Terry) as opposed to sarcasim. As all people in the free world
you are entitled to express your views but if this is the normal response
from this newsgroup I might as well unsubscribe.
Dave.
Peter A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> There's no chip on my shoulder. You wanted advice on a gimmick and I gave
> you an honest opinion. The road to golf is littered with fools parting
with
> money for the promise of instant success. I was just helping you to keep
> some of your hard earned money in your pocket.
>
> I noticed that out of 80 -100 posters/lurkers to this newsgroup you got
one
> person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty
rusty.
> Why not castigate the others for not replying?
>
> Go ahead, purchase the diamond encrusted wedge. It's your money. But ask
> yourself, how many tour pros are out there using it? How many of us are
> using it?
>
> I gave you an honest opinion, don't shoot the messenger just because you
> don't like the message.
> --
> Peter
>
>
> Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:Qhvq5.4842$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > Terry
> > Thanks for your reply, useful info as opposed to the people with a chip
on
> > there shoulder.
> > Dave.
> >
> > Terry <terry909@ .hotmail.com > <"nospam> wrote in message
> > news:Ohnq5.6168$NR3.8...@news1.cableinet.net...
> > >
> > >
Terry <terry909@
Dave Shields wrote:
> Peter
> As a new subscriber to this group I was hoping for so helpful advice(as
> provided by Terry) as opposed to sarcasim. As all people in the free world
> you are entitled to express your views but if this is the normal response
> from this newsgroup I might as well unsubscribe.
> Dave.
>
> Peter A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:Shyq5.5196$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > There's no chip on my shoulder. You wanted advice on a gimmick and I gave
> > you an honest opinion. The road to golf is littered with fools parting
> with
> > money for the promise of instant success. I was just helping you to keep
> > some of your hard earned money in your pocket.
> >
> > I noticed that out of 80 -100 posters/lurkers to this newsgroup you got
> one
> > person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty
> rusty.
> > Why not castigate the others for not replying?
> >
> > Go ahead, purchase the diamond encrusted wedge. It's your money. But ask
> > yourself, how many tour pros are out there using it? How many of us are
> > using it?
> >
> > I gave you an honest opinion, don't shoot the messenger just because you
> > don't like the message.
> > --
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
> > news:Qhvq5.4842$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > Terry
> > > Thanks for your reply, useful info as opposed to the people with a chip
> on
> > > there shoulder.
> > > Dave.
> > >
> > > Terry <terry909@ .hotmail.com > <"nospam> wrote in message
> > > news:Ohnq5.6168$NR3.8...@news1.cableinet.net...
> > > >
> > > >
<snip>
one person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty
rusty.
For what its worth, I didnt say I preffered my trusty rusty, I said I found no
difference between the pure spin and the trusty rusty. Now in my mind that
means that the Pure Spin is as good as the trusty rusty - but not better.
Now I would be stupid to swap, but as the trusty rusty cost me £75 over a year
ago I would not change to the pure spin. I assume you would have reffered to
that as a "gimmick" that didnt work they too. The pure spin is worth buying if
that is what you are looking for. But if you own a trusty rusty already then
dont bother.
BTW several US Tour Players claim to be using the Pure Spin wedge (Stuart Cink
is one of them - I think - in the review I read, which Ive looked for but cant
find : ( I assume my wife has tidied up, it mentioned several US tuor players
that carried the Pure Spin wedge)
The original point was a request for opinions on the Pure Spin. You
deliberately castigated Dave about even considering what YOU reffered to as
"short cut of a wonderclub" I see no reference to it being a wonderclub. I see
only you slagging off something you clearly have not tried, whilst at the same
time assuming he could not hit a ball properly and that he knew little about
golf in the first place. I agree totally that there is no such thing as a quick
fix in golf - as does Dave his question demonstartes that doesnt it?
Surely it shows great sense to ASK before buying? In which case the very idea of
asking should determine his level of knowledge. Therefore your point is totally
lost and has only demonstrated your own ignorance and arrogance in the way you
assume your opinion is more valid than anyone who is trying to make his/her
enjoyment of golf that bit better. My point here is simple - either answer the
question posed, or just ignore it. Dont try to be clever - noone is interested
in your sneering superiority or arrogant attitude.
regards
Terry
Peter A-B
sorry. If anyone else wishes to give advice on these gimmicky clubs then go
ahead.
--
Peter
Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Peter
> As a new subscriber to this group I was hoping for so helpful advice(as
> provided by Terry) as opposed to sarcasim. As all people in the free world
> you are entitled to express your views but if this is the normal response
> from this newsgroup I might as well unsubscribe.
> Dave.
>
> Peter A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:Shyq5.5196$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > There's no chip on my shoulder. You wanted advice on a gimmick and I
gave
> > you an honest opinion. The road to golf is littered with fools parting
> with
> > money for the promise of instant success. I was just helping you to
keep
> > some of your hard earned money in your pocket.
> >
> > I noticed that out of 80 -100 posters/lurkers to this newsgroup you got
> one
> > person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty
> rusty.
> > Why not castigate the others for not replying?
> >
> > Go ahead, purchase the diamond encrusted wedge. It's your money. But
ask
> > yourself, how many tour pros are out there using it? How many of us are
> > using it?
> >
> > I gave you an honest opinion, don't shoot the messenger just because you
> > don't like the message.
> > --
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
> > news:Qhvq5.4842$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > Terry
> > > Thanks for your reply, useful info as opposed to the people with a
chip
> on
> > > there shoulder.
> > > Dave.
> > >
> > > Terry <terry909@ .hotmail.com > <"nospam> wrote in message
> > > news:Ohnq5.6168$NR3.8...@news1.cableinet.net...
> > > >
> > > >
Michael Kinsella
the worst.
I suggest the Cleveland 588 or Titliest Vokey,
regards Mike
http://www.golfreview.com/reviews/wedges/index_byrating.asp
Malcolm L Wadsworth
peoples opinions of clubs. What do they hope to gain? Are they so helpless
when it comes to making decisions that they need others to decide for them
as to whether to buy or not to buy? What value can the expressed opinions
have? Maybe they are just telling the world they have money in their pocket
they can afford to spend.
The only opinion that matters is ones own, after having given the club a
fair try and this can usually be arranged without commitment to purchase.
Its been said time and time again, (and I think this was the point Peter was
making) money is generally better spent on lessons rather than equipment.
One frequently comes across golfers, usually high handicappers, who are
often buying new drivers, new wedges, new putters etc with the forlorn hope
that somehow a new club will improve their game and who steadfastly refuse
to spend out on lessons. Until a golfer can hit the ball cleanly in the way
he intends with the clubs he has, there is little point in changing. The low
handicapper may try out something new to the market, but will do so on a
range or by arranging to try it out on the course for a week or so, and then
will make up his own mind as to whether it gives him something extra that he
cannot achieve with his regular clubs. Perhaps a new style of lob wedge or
putter. But he knows only he can assess whether the cost is worth it in
terms of possible game improvement and would not expect anyone elses's
opinions to be relevant.
As I read Peter's post, all he was trying to do was say something similar
but more concisely and in a lighthearted manner.
Go ahead: purchase your Pure Spin wedge then come back in December and tell
us how many strokes it has reduced your handicap by - if any. If you really
feel it is directly responsible for taking at least 2 off your handicap, I
for one would try it out for myself. Meanwhile I shall stick to the
perfectly good clubs I have and try to get 2 off my handicap through lessons
and practice.
Malcolm
, a.hlPeter A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> IMO my advice was helpful. If it wasn't the advice you required then I'm
> sorry. If anyone else wishes to give advice on these gimmicky clubs then
go
> ahead.
> --
> Peter
>
> Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:i3Aq5.5459$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > Peter
> > As a new subscriber to this group I was hoping for so helpful advice(as
> > provided by Terry) as opposed to sarcasim. As all people in the free
world
> > you are entitled to express your views but if this is the normal
response
> > from this newsgroup I might as well unsubscribe.
> > Dave.
> >
> > Peter A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:Shyq5.5196$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > There's no chip on my shoulder. You wanted advice on a gimmick and I
> gave
> > > you an honest opinion. The road to golf is littered with fools
parting
> > with
> > > money for the promise of instant success. I was just helping you to
> keep
> > > some of your hard earned money in your pocket.
> > >
> > > I noticed that out of 80 -100 posters/lurkers to this newsgroup you
got
> > one
> > > person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty
> > rusty.
> > > Why not castigate the others for not replying?
> > >
> > > Go ahead, purchase the diamond encrusted wedge. It's your money. But
> ask
> > > yourself, how many tour pros are out there using it? How many of us
are
> > > using it?
> > >
> > > I gave you an honest opinion, don't shoot the messenger just because
you
> > > don't like the message.
> > > --
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Qhvq5.4842$SR1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > > Terry
> > > > Thanks for your reply, useful info as opposed to the people with a
> chip
> > on
> > > > there shoulder.
> > > > Dave.
> > > >
> > > > Terry <terry909@ .hotmail.com > <"nospam> wrote in message
> > > > news:Ohnq5.6168$NR3.8...@news1.cableinet.net...
> > > > >
> > > > >
Terry <terry909@
was) that if someone asks for an opinion on any particular item. Then he (or
she) should not be greeted with a reply like Peter wrote (however well
intentioned) Dave asked if anyone thought the club was good or bad. Peter wrote
a load of rubbish totally off the point.
Lessons with a pro regularly (preferably with video analysis) combined with a
proper regime of practice, fitness training and regular assessment are the only
way to reduce anyones handicap. That is for certain. However Dave's question
was NOT "How do I reduce my handicap - Buy the new pure spin wedge ?"
Hence my objection to Peter's attitude.
regards
Terry
Peter A-B
> I totally agree Malcolm. Completely accept your comment. My only point
is (and
> was) that if someone asks for an opinion on any particular item. Then he
(or
> she) should not be greeted with a reply like Peter wrote (however well
> intentioned) Dave asked if anyone thought the club was good or bad. Peter
wrote
> a load of rubbish totally off the point.
>
> Lessons with a pro regularly (preferably with video analysis) combined
with a
> proper regime of practice, fitness training and regular assessment are the
only
> way to reduce anyones handicap. That is for certain. However Dave's
question
> was NOT "How do I reduce my handicap - Buy the new pure spin wedge ?"
>
> Hence my objection to Peter's attitude.
You can't tell what a persons attitude is over this medium. You are
assuming that I'm sneering and looking down my nose. But I'm not and
wasn't. Dave asked opinions about a club that has diamond dust on it's
face. His first posting was:
"Thinking of getting a pure spin club. Anyone tried one ? good or bad."
Then in his second post he said he "I know how to hit a golf ball, just
thinking of the durability of the diamond face against the increased wear on
the ball. Dave."
Two totally different questions. If he'd have mentioned the durability
query in the first question I probably wouldn't have replied but from his
first question it appeared that he wanted opinions on how the club performed
not whether it wrecked the cover of the ball.
--
Peter.
John Stokes
<pete...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>There's no chip on my shoulder. You wanted advice on a gimmick and I gave
>you an honest opinion. The road to golf is littered with fools parting with
>money for the promise of instant success. I was just helping you to keep
>some of your hard earned money in your pocket.
>
>I noticed that out of 80 -100 posters/lurkers to this newsgroup you got one
>person who told you he had used the club but preferred his old trusty rusty.
>Why not castigate the others for not replying?
>
>Go ahead, purchase the diamond encrusted wedge. It's your money. But ask
>yourself, how many tour pros are out there using it? How many of us are
>using it?
>
>I gave you an honest opinion, don't shoot the messenger just because you
>don't like the message.
Peter it has been reported that the pure spin is used widely on the
US Senior tour but your guess is as good as mine as to who reported
it. For what its worth any lofted club will provide the nesessary spin
if hit properly, but if a pure spin wedge gives you the confidece to
hit it properly then why not>
regards John
Felicity Lodge
Wadsworth <mwads...@cableinet.co.uk> writes
>I am at a loss to understand why so many post to this ng asking other
>peoples opinions of clubs. What do they hope to gain?
They want to discuss something in a usenet discussion group which is
limited to a specific subject - in this case Golf.
>Are they so helpless
>when it comes to making decisions that they need others to decide for them
>as to whether to buy or not to buy?
silly! two heads are better than one; more is much better. You
shouldn';t, of course, be surprised if your get a lot of dross in
response... especially in ng's
>What value can the expressed opinions
>have?
same as an other opinion!
>Maybe they are just telling the world they have money in their pocket
>they can afford to spend.
:-D LOL
>The only opinion that matters is ones own, after having given the club a
>fair try and this can usually be arranged without commitment to purchase.
Are you never ever swayed by a lay persons when you are looking to buy
something? (Often you may well find that peoples 'opinions' are not
their own but are regurgitated opinions from informed critics)
>Its been said time and time again, (and I think this was the point Peter was
>making) money is generally better spent on lessons rather than equipment.
Definitely, and ask the advice of as many half decent players as
possible - pros and shop assistants etc
>One frequently comes across golfers, usually high handicappers, who are
>often buying new drivers, new wedges, new putters etc with the forlorn hope
>that somehow a new club will improve their game and who steadfastly refuse
>to spend out on lessons. Until a golfer can hit the ball cleanly in the way
>he intends with the clubs he has, there is little point in changing.
yes, I agree - another valid opinion - and if enough people respond with
the same opinion then the original poster might get the message....a
successful outcome after posting a valid question
>As I read Peter's post, all he was trying to do was say something similar
>Go ahead: purchase your Pure Spin wedge then come back in December and tell
>us how many strokes it has reduced your handicap by - if any. If you really
>feel it is directly responsible for taking at least 2 off your handicap, I
>for one would try it out for myself. Meanwhile I shall stick to the
>perfectly good clubs I have and try to get 2 off my handicap through lessons
>and practice.
There does seem to be a huge amount of hype around relating to clubs -
often about getting more distance, but I wonder what responses would
have been if this was the early eighties and the poster was asking about
the "gimmicky" new Ping cavity back irons... do you use bladed clubs
with wooden shafts then Malcolm? :-)
>
--
Felicity
Felicity Lodge
A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> writes
>
>You can't tell what a persons attitude is over this medium. You are
>assuming that I'm sneering and looking down my nose. But I'm not and
>wasn't.
I often wonder if we're both just misunderstood people Peter!? :-)
--
Felicity
Felicity Lodge
<johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>Peter it has been reported that the pure spin is used widely on the
>US Senior tour but your guess is as good as mine as to who reported
>it. For what its worth any lofted club will provide the nesessary spin
>if hit properly
doesn't it depend what you mean by "properly"? many lower handicaped
players never take a divot and use a distance ball too?
>, but if a pure spin wedge gives you the confidece to
>hit it properly then why not>
don't most players have minimal spin these days, peferring high, softer
shots? ...unless they're playing on a links course when there is ofter
little option than to hit down on the ball...striking the small ball
before the big one and hence creating some spin.
>regards John
--
Felicity
John Stokes
<feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <39acf48a...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>
>doesn't it depend what you mean by "properly"? many lower handicaped
>players never take a divot and use a distance ball too?
>
By properly I mean a descending blow to the back of the ball with the
sweetspot of the club. what have divots got to do with it? If I take
a divot it is because I have mishit the ball, it is not necessary to
take a divot to create backspin. I'm not a low handicapper I play of
16 but I can still put backspin on the ball with 8iron to SW. I think
it was Ben Hogan who said he only expected to hit 2 perfect shots in a
round so what chance us poor mortals hitting the ball properly?
Regards John
Peter A-B
Felicity Lodge <feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kMMilKAR...@grayhall.demon.co.uk...
> In article <6gKq5.5944$EB2.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Peter
> A-B <pete...@ntlworld.com> writes
> >
> >assuming that I'm sneering and looking down my nose. But I'm not and
> >wasn't.
>
>
It could be Felicity. I sometimes don't even understand myself! :-)) Why
do I do it? Then I realise; the answer! I'm an individual not a
clone. ):-)
--
Peter
>
> --
> Felicity
Felicity Lodge
<johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:44:43 +0100, Felicity Lodge
><feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <39acf48a...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
>><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>
>>
>>doesn't it depend what you mean by "properly"? many lower handicaped
>>players never take a divot and use a distance ball too?
>>
>
>By properly I mean a descending blow to the back of the ball with the
>sweetspot of the club. what have divots got to do with it?
by what I've observerd through practice - if you strike a ball with a
descending blow to the back of the ball, then how do you manage to take
no divot at all? I thought that taking a divot actually implied that
one was striking the ball BEFORE the bottom of the downswing with the
bottom of the, aforementioned, downswing being slightly below ground
level!? IS IT ME? AM I WRONG HERE? Don't really think so but am happy
to be corrected..
>If I take
>a divot it is because I have mishit the ball,
WHAT!
>it is not necessary to
>take a divot to create backspin.
Strictly speaking, I suspect you're right! I personally find it
extremely difficult to achieve noticeable backspin when I don't hit down
and pinch the ball between the club and the ground... your experience
may be different!
--
Felicity
Dave Shields
the club as opposed to going down the range and trying it out, is that most
pros shop and high street stores do not stock it and you have to purchase it
by mail order. I know you can return these things if you are not satisfied
but it's just hassle. So for now I'll stick to the sand wedge and open the
face.
Dave.
Peter A-B
considering the times that you will be using that type of club during a
round it just isn't worth it. You don't say what your handicap is. These
type of lob wedges can be extremely hard to master. You generally have to
hit hard down on the back of the ball to achieve the desired result. Any
mishit causing a thin will see the ball rocket off at head height into the
next County.
I used to be very adventurous on the golf course and my handicap didn't
move. When I started playing percentage golf then things moved and I now
play off 17.2, won the afternoon session of our handicap cup and at present
am 4th in the Order of Merit at my Club. This is after forgetting all the
quick fix techniques, the Cleveland lob wedge and fiddling. Consistency
will win every time.
Oh, and by the way, welcome to the newsgroup. You are most welcome.
Regards,
--
Peter.
Dave Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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John Stokes
<feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <39ac1056...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:44:43 +0100, Felicity Lodge
>><feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <39acf48a...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
>>><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>>
>>>
> - if you strike a ball with a
>descending blow to the back of the ball, then how do you manage to take
>no divot at all? I thought that taking a divot actually implied that
>one was striking the ball BEFORE the bottom of the downswing with the
>bottom of the, aforementioned, downswing being slightly below ground
>level!? IS IT ME? AM I WRONG HERE? Don't really think so but am happy
>to be corrected..
>
snipped
If the bottom of the swing is level with the ground you still hit the
ball first I usually remove a few blades of grass but I don't cut the
turf. When I say mishit I really ment fat, big ball first,:-)
I'm not saying either way is correct, whatever works just do it. I'm
not certain but I think if you watch the pro ladies you will not see
as much flying turf as when the pro men play.
Regards John
Richard Faulkner
>16 but I can still put backspin on the ball with 8iron to SW.
A while ago I asked how you put backspin on a ball, having heard Boxie
say that only the pros can do it.
How do you do it?
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Richard Faulkner
Peter A-B
John Stokes <johns...@cwcom.net> wrote in message
news:39ac2c5...@news.cwcom.net...> >>>In article <39acf48a...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
> >>><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
> >>
> >>>
>
> > - if you strike a ball with a
> >descending blow to the back of the ball, then how do you manage to take
> >no divot at all? I thought that taking a divot actually implied that
> >one was striking the ball BEFORE the bottom of the downswing with the
> >bottom of the, aforementioned, downswing being slightly below ground
> >level!? IS IT ME? AM I WRONG HERE? Don't really think so but am happy
> >to be corrected..
> >
> snipped
> If the bottom of the swing is level with the ground you still hit the
> ball first I usually remove a few blades of grass but I don't cut the
> turf. When I say mishit I really ment fat, big ball first,:-)
> I'm not saying either way is correct, whatever works just do it. I'm
> not certain but I think if you watch the pro ladies you will not see
> as much flying turf as when the pro men play.
> Regards John
Some of the pros take a divot the size of my foot (11's). I, like John,
just scuff the grass but it is definitely ball then turf contact. I am
quite happy that my ball doesn't spin backwards when landing. Just a check
then small rolling stop. Wasn't it Garry Player that once said, after being
asked how to generate backspin, "Why do you want to generate that much
backspin when you don't reach the hole to start with?" I think something
was lost in the translation but you get the idea.
BTW Terry, I might talk rubbish but it's good quality rubbish. :-)) None
of your common or garden rubbish. ):-)
Regards
--
Peter
Peter A-B
Richard Faulkner <ric...@estate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZWptpJA6...@estate.demon.co.uk...
> >16 but I can still put backspin on the ball with 8iron to SW.
>
> A while ago I asked how you put backspin on a ball, having heard Boxie
> say that only the pros can do it.
>
> How do you do it?
>
For a start you need a ball with a comparatively soft cover. Very soft.
It's said that Colin Montgomery changes his ball at every tee because of the
damage sustained to the cover with his approach shots. On the other hand he
doesn't pay for his own balls and there is nothing like teeing off with a
new ball is there? :-)
--
Peter
> --
> Richard Faulkner
Peter A-B
Richard Faulkner <ric...@estate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZWptpJA6...@estate.demon.co.uk...
> In article <39ac1056...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
> <johns...@cwcom.net> writes
> > I'm not a low handicapper I play of
> >16 but I can still put backspin on the ball with 8iron to SW.
>
> A while ago I asked how you put backspin on a ball, having heard Boxie
> say that only the pros can do it.
>
> How do you do it?
>
start your backswing steeply. On the downswing you imagine that you are
going to hit the back of the ball whilst the club is still descending as
though you are trying to pinch the ball between the club face and the turf.
The feeling of ball/turf contact is distinct. The ball should fly high with
huge backspin and check on landing. Don't quit on the shot. Power through
to finish in the normal position. Most players generate backspin but it is
the degree of backspin that determines whether the ball stops or spins back.
drgolf
"Richard Faulkner" <ric...@estate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZWptpJA6...@estate.demon.co.uk...
> In article <39ac1056...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
> <johns...@cwcom.net> writes
> > I'm not a low handicapper I play of
> >16 but I can still put backspin on the ball with 8iron to SW.
>
> A while ago I asked how you put backspin on a ball, having heard Boxie
> say that only the pros can do it.
>
> How do you do it?
>
> Richard Faulkner
There is a section on the www.drgolf.org website that may be of use here.
Take the short game clinic (in the blue frame on the left) and click on
Height & Spin.
If you need clarification or are not sure (or disagree) about any
of the points raised just email in and someone will get back to you.
As this thread was originally about the value of a specialist lob wedge:-
I don't know any pro who doesn't regularly carry a lob or third wedge.
Unfortunately, they all carry different ones. So whilst there would appear
to be a benefit (I certainly believe there is)
it's a matter of personal choice and playing conditions which as to one to
go for
John Wright
Felicity Lodge
Shields <dave.g....@virgin.net> writes
>Peter
>I know how to hit a golf ball, just thinking of the durability of the
>diamond face against the increased wear on the ball.
Have you considered the Trusty Rusty? I have heard that it rejuvenates
it's own abrasive face!
BTW - I was once looking for a set of wedges, and the ones most highly
recommended were Cleveland.... but I'm not sure there is much in it
unless perhaps you're a 3 handicap and you'll try every quarter in order
to help shave another point off.... I do suspect that organising
practice time is more useful - eg shots to the green..tryng to place the
ball within 3 feet of the pin, including from bunkers..
--
Felicity
Crispin Roche
Another reason why I am impressed with the pros. Me + new ball + tee shot =
lost ball or OOB :-(
Crispin Roche
Felicity Lodge
<johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>snipped
>If the bottom of the swing is level with the ground you still hit the
>ball first I usually remove a few blades of grass but I don't cut the
>turf. When I say mishit I really ment fat, big ball first,:-)
>I'm not saying either way is correct, whatever works just do it. I'm
>not certain but I think if you watch the pro ladies you will not see
>as much flying turf as when the pro men play.
>Regards John
i suspect you need a bit more than a few blades of grass for an
effective spin to be honest... obviously theres always some spin with a
lofted club, but have you really tried hitting down and hard onto a ball
and observing what it does on the green?
I'm a relative beginner BTW..just played around quite a bit.
--
Felicity
Richard Faulkner
<cro...@clara.co.uk> writes
> Me + new ball + tee shot =
>lost ball or OOB :-(
Funnily enough I used to think the same, but I recently played a round
in Jamaica and had to buy some balls - £20 for 6, (expecting to lose 6
on past performance <g>). Didnt lose a one - and I still have 3 left
after 36 holes at home.
--
Richard Faulkner
Crispin Roche
Well I'm working my way up to new balls. The local golf shop sells boxes
(12 balls) of what they describe as "pearls" - reconditioned lake balls I
believe - and I've been using those. Not exactly new but close, and the
results have been promising.:-)
Crispin Roche
Peter A-B
I like a girl that plays a round! :-))
--
Peter
> --
> Felicity
Brian Yare
> Well I'm working my way up to new balls. The local golf shop sells boxes
> (12 balls) of what they describe as "pearls" - reconditioned lake balls I
> believe - and I've been using those. Not exactly new but close, and the
> results have been promising.:-)
>
I bought a load of Spalding XL Tour Edition at 15 for £8 at American Golf
Discount in Cheltenham. They seem ok. Lake balls are the same sort of
price.
Brian Yare
kevin....@nottingham.ac.uk
wrote:
Another reasonably cheap source of new balls is Argos: Dunlop DDH and
Molitor (which seem identical to the Dunlops to me) come in a box of 15 for
9.99.
John Laird
>Another reasonably cheap source of new balls is Argos: Dunlop DDH and
>Molitor (which seem identical to the Dunlops to me) come in a box of 15 for
>9.99.
I got two dozen "lake" Titleists from somewhere by the name of County
Golf (I think) for 15 quid recently. They were a mixture of different
flavours, kind of Titleist Allsorts, and logo'd (which wasn't
advertised) but I thought they were pretty good value considering. They
are the best all-round ball, imho, but rather expensive at full price.
I have noticed that Titleists seem to "yellow" more rapidly than some
makes. Maybe just the places I hit them...
John
John Stokes
<feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <39ac2c5...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>>snipped
>>If the bottom of the swing is level with the ground you still hit the
>>ball first I usually remove a few blades of grass but I don't cut the
>>turf. When I say mishit I really ment fat, big ball first,:-)
>>I'm not saying either way is correct, whatever works just do it. I'm
>>not certain but I think if you watch the pro ladies you will not see
>>as much flying turf as when the pro men play.
>>Regards John
>
>i suspect you need a bit more than a few blades of grass for an
>effective spin to be honest... obviously theres always some spin with a
>lofted club, but have you really tried hitting down and hard onto a ball
>and observing what it does on the green?
Yes
>I'm a relative beginner BTW..just played around quite a bit.
Like Peter I also like a girl who plays around a bit:-)
I once asked a good teaching pro about my lack of divots especially
with the short irons wanting him to show me what I was doing wrong, he
said I wasn't doing anything wrong it was just my natural swing which
I have lived with for about 25yrs, a little experience you must admit.
I also admit I cannot make a ball spin back on the green like the pros
do but I can stop a short iron within a couple of feet of its
pitchmark some of the time.
Regards John
Pat Williams
<feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <39ac2c5...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
>>snipped
>>If the bottom of the swing is level with the ground you still hit the
>>ball first I usually remove a few blades of grass but I don't cut the
>>turf. When I say mishit I really ment fat, big ball first,:-)
>>I'm not saying either way is correct, whatever works just do it. I'm
>>not certain but I think if you watch the pro ladies you will not see
>>as much flying turf as when the pro men play.
>>Regards John
>
>i suspect you need a bit more than a few blades of grass for an
>effective spin to be honest... obviously theres always some spin with a
>lofted club, but have you really tried hitting down and hard onto a ball
>and observing what it does on the green?
>
These three posts came out of my newsreader consecutively.
Felicity.. I'm a relatively beginner BTW..just played around a bit.
Peter..... I like a girl that plays a round! :-))
Crispin... Well I'm working my way up to new balls.
Care to explain, Crispin?
>
--
Regards
Pat Williams
Work is a pastime for those who have not discovered the game of golf.
John Laird
wrote:
>I also admit I cannot make a ball spin back on the green like the pros
>do but I can stop a short iron within a couple of feet of its
>pitchmark some of the time.
Isn't that preferable ?
John
Felicity Lodge
<Pate...@Patricroft.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>These three posts came out of my newsreader consecutively.
>
>Felicity.. I'm a relatively beginner BTW..just played around a bit.
>
>Peter..... I like a girl that plays a round! :-))
>
>Crispin... Well I'm working my way up to new balls.
>
>Care to explain, Crispin?
>>
>
ensure you stay PC Pat, ..you might come to a sticky end!
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Felicity
Crispin Roche
Pat Williams <Pate...@Patricroft.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:LRcOiGA$izr5...@Patricroft.demon.co.uk...
> In article <UbLeQfAN...@grayhall.demon.co.uk>, Felicity Lodge
> <feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk> writes
> >In article <39ac2c5...@news.cwcom.net>, John Stokes
> ><johns...@cwcom.net> writes
> >>snipped
{snip, snip}
> >
> >I'm a relative beginner BTW..just played around quite a bit.
>
> These three posts came out of my newsreader consecutively.
>
> Felicity.. I'm a relatively beginner BTW..just played around a bit.
>
> Peter..... I like a girl that plays a round! :-))
>
> Crispin... Well I'm working my way up to new balls.
>
> Care to explain, Crispin?
> >
>
40 year body service - feet to knees completed:-)
Crispin Roche
Janet Homer
Pots shouldn't call kettles black, Felicity
Janet
Felicity Lodge
<ho...@ndirect.co.uk> writes
... you sound like an interesting person!
:)
--
Felicity