Texas Scramble rules
Scot
3 drive minimum rule. Turned out we were a three man team (somebody had
double booked himself a game!!!)... I assumed there would be an allowance
made as we received less strokes and got fewer attempts at each shot... some
form of courtesy shot/s seemed appropriate to me. I asked a wandering comp
sec... looked at me strangely and basically said 'tough', and to rub it in
told me we had to have 4 drives each... triple penalty for someone else
mess-up. I questioned his decision and asked to look at 'conditions of the
competition'... "It's how it has always been done, etc...". Any views?
Malcolm Wadsworth
"Scot" <sc...@zzzsmulligan.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Many people running club comps couldn't run a bath.
Its back to the Rules again! Athough the Rules of Golf do not cover fun
games like Texas Scrambles, a Comp. Sec. should aquaint himself with Rule
33.
If the Committee organised the fours for your Texas Scramble, then he should
have either found you a 4th player or at least modified the competition
Rules to allow 3-ball and 4-ball teams to complete on roughly even terms.
If you chose your own 4-man team, then, following the logic of the Rules of
Golf for formats covered by the Rules, your handicap allowance should have
been worked out including the handicap of the absent competitor.
However, its all academic as your team would be disqualified because the
absent man failed to play a minimum of 3 of the tee shots!
If you go to our old website www.ukgolf.org.uk which is still available, and
go to FAQs, you will find rules for Texas Scrambles and a handicap allowance
method which allows for 3 & 4-balls playing in the same comp.
Malcolm
Rubbish on TV tonight :-))
Scot
Malcolm Wadsworth <m...@blueoverthere.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks for the reply...
It really does wind me up when a committee member takes a 'because I said
so' attitude, especially when the current set-up is so shambolic. I realise
that committee members give their time freely for the benefit of the
members, and I really am grateful for their efforts, but can it really be
that hard a job? To any committee members out there... is there a secret
initiation you must go through to gain an attitude, or is it just the
'power'?
Ken Hoyle
<sc...@zzzsmulligan.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>It really does wind me up when a committee member takes a 'because I said
>so' attitude, especially when the current set-up is so shambolic. I realise
>that committee members give their time freely for the benefit of the
>members, and I really am grateful for their efforts, but can it really be
>that hard a job? To any committee members out there... is there a secret
>initiation you must go through to gain an attitude, or is it just the
>'power'?
>
>
cannot let your generalisation re committee members pass unanswered.
Committee members come in two forms.
1. Just want the label committee member and think attending committee
meetings is all they have to do.
2. The people who actually do the work and make sure the club is run
with some semblance of organisation.
Most committees are 90% type 1 and 10% type 2 :(
Is the job hard? If everyone pulled their weight no but for the 10% who
do it can be. Try turning up an hour before your start time for the
weekly comp ready to get mentally and physically tuned to play only to
be accosted by the usual assortment of members who cannot read a notice
board, demand a personal explanation of every aspect of the competition,
who think they can run the club better than you can but cant spare the
time to do so, so that you find yourself rushing to the tee totally
unprepared to play. Then it is bloody hard.
That does not in anyway condone the attitude you met but I can
understand why it happened. Thank god I retired from all that.
KenH
--
Ken Hoyle
[Tear out HA IR to reply]
John Laird
Well, you "broke" the rules of the competition, so you don't have much
redress. Had you started as a 4, and lost someone partway through, then as
long as their 3 drives had already counted, that would be alright.
Otherwise you'd all be dq'd.
3-ball scrambles usually divide the handicaps by about 6 or 7, iirc. If
this had been agreed as part of the comp rules, that would stand up. I've
never personally see a scramble organised with variable team-size, though.
(No doubt someone would soon twig which was optimal and arrange their group
accordingly.)
John
Scot
John Laird <jo...@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Well, you "broke" the rules of the competition, so you don't have much
> redress. Had you started as a 4, and lost someone partway through, then
as
> long as their 3 drives had already counted, that would be alright.
> Otherwise you'd all be dq'd.
>
>
>
> John
Unfortunately, the 'system' at our club 'insists' on people playing if they
have entered the draw for the comp, unless a committee member waives their
responsibility for the competition fee (which he didn't). Had we not gone
out as a 3, we likely would have been banned from competitions for 7 days
and been liable for the entry fee. We get penalised for someone else's
oversight (or stupidity).. how fair is that?
Laphing Boy
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Don't play Texas Scrambles? Play golf instead.
The Putt King
There was a Texas Scramble at my course today ?
Scot
The Putt King <thepu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Where are you from ?
> There was a Texas Scramble at my course today ?
Oakmere, Notts
The Putt King
Some clubs must have the same competition schedule.
I once played in a team in a Texas Scramble which scored a gross 63 (-7).
However another team got a 59 (-11) and beat us so that was some playing !
Denis Cary
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way to play something different. Perhaps your 'wandering comp sec' is of
that oppinion
Denis
>
Scot
Denis Cary <deni...@frndmail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Scot" <sc...@zzzsmulligan.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> Texas scrambles are njot meant to be taken to seriously. They are a
pleasant
> way to play something different. Perhaps your 'wandering comp sec' is of
> that oppinion
>
> Denis
> >
>
>
If they are meant to be for fun only, perhaps we shouldn't have to pay to
enter them, or perhaps they shouldn't have them at all!
This isn't the only run-in myself and friends have had with committee
members over the running of competitions. As I mentioned in an earlier
post, the committee runs a 'banned' list (for people who didn't show on the
day). Until 2 months ago, it wasn't being enforced. One of my mates won a
2f4... unfortunately, one of the team was 'unknowingly' on the banned list,
and it just happened to be the week they decided to enforce the 'banned'
list. Fair enough... rules are rules, etc... in a comp 2 weeks later, two
of the prize winners were on the 'banned' list. My mate asked the comp sec
to clarify... the reply went along the lines of 'It was getting too time
consuming to enforce, so we decided not to bother'. I don't believe the
wandering comp sec was of the opinion you suggest... I believe that the
committee are losing the plot and can't be bothered to sort it out.
peter kook
and
> go to FAQs, you will find rules for Texas Scrambles and a handicap
allowance
> method which allows for 3 & 4-balls playing in the same comp.
>
transferred to the FAQ on our current site www.uksportgolf.org
peter kook
"Laphing Boy" <laphing.boy@[FROWN}ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> Don't play Texas Scrambles? Play golf instead.
>
Well said that man!! :-)
Texas scrambles , mulligans , invading iraq - those americans have a lot to
answer for.
peter kook
> There was a Texas Scramble at my course today
Spooky :-)
peter kook
> I'm from Sutton Park, Hull.
>
> Some clubs must have the same competition schedule.
>
peter kook
shouldn't have to pay to
> enter them, or perhaps they shouldn't have them at all!
>
perhaps the game should not be played at all !
Scot
peter kook <bird...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Your logic seems a bit out...
I pay my annual subs (or green fee for pay & players) for the use of the
golf course... social or competitive, at my discretion . I pay extra to
enter the competitions, and whilst I endeavour to enjoy my round, I do play
to win (waste of time entering if you don't!)... Is it asking too much for
the comps to be run fairly and managed properly?
Laphing Boy
> Your logic seems a bit out...
>
> I pay my annual subs (or green fee for pay & players) for the use of the
> golf course... social or competitive, at my discretion . I pay extra to
> enter the competitions, and whilst I endeavour to enjoy my round, I do
play
> to win (waste of time entering if you don't!)... Is it asking too much
for
> the comps to be run fairly and managed properly?
>
>
So, Scot, will you be standing for election at the next AGM??
Brian Yare
wrote:
> Is it asking too much for
> the comps to be run fairly and managed properly?
>
Have you volunteered your services to the committee?
Brian
Scot
I very nearly did a couple of years ago, but the internal politics kicked
off and I decided to stay well out of it... and thank god I did!
Scot
Brian Yare <by...@yare.freeisp.co.uk> wrote in message
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I did get asked to help out a few months ago, but had to decline (partly
through lack of time and partly because I didn't want to get entangled in
the chaos). Are you and 'laphing boy' committee men by any chance?
I really am grateful to anyone who gives their time for the good of the
club... unless they do it grudgingly and with a hint of resentment... Its'
voluntary, if you don't want to do it, don't do it... But don't act like a
martyr.
Scot
Laphing Boy
way things are run...........
Brian Yare
wrote:
> Are you and 'laphing boy' committee men by any chance?
>
I don't know about LB, but I've served 5 years as Handicap Secretary, 1
as Club Captain, 1 as Competition Secretary and 1 as Junior Organiser
in the last 5 years. And I still play off 28 - usually a long way off.
:-(
Brian
Brian Yare
If you don't want to do it, don't spend your time complaining about
those who do it for you.
Brian
>
Crispin Roche
Whether someone wants to do the job or not should not excuse those who do
the job from being incompetent.
Crispin Roche
Scot
Crispin Roche <crispi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Just what I was going to say...
Brian Yare
wrote:
> Whether someone wants to do the job or not should not excuse those who do
> the job from being incompetent.
>
I've not met many volunteers who are incompetent, but a lot of those who
complain are!
Brian
Scot
"but a lot of those who complain are!".... incompetent at what?
Sam
I've not met many volunteers who THINK THEY are incompetent. Sadly, many of
the (volunteer) officials at my golf club fall into that category and the
other half think they are running a tennis club.
(BTW, I KNOW I'm incompetent)
--
Sam
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than
illumination
(remove CAP to reply)
Brian Yare
wrote:
> "but a lot of those who complain are!".... incompetent at what?
>
Incompetent even at complaining!
Brian
Scot
That is one of the few things I am not incompetent at -:)