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Russ T.

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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Hi Everyone,

According to another golf newsgroup, Harry Douthwaite has
aquired a brand new practice putting aid.
and I thought you was playing well..........:-)

or is this yet another secret weapon for the whippet owners
from the North.

Roll on Hill Valley.

Regards,

Russ T.

Pat Williams

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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In article <RqFt4.6748$55.43239@news2-hme0>, Russ T.
<russ....@cwcom.net> writes

>Hi Everyone,
>
>According to another golf newsgroup, Harry Douthwaite has
>aquired a brand new practice putting aid.

So have I.

>and I thought you was playing well..........:-)
>
>or is this yet another secret weapon for the whippet owners
>from the North.
>
>Roll on Hill Valley.

Seconded.

Regards.
--
Pat Williams
Work is a pastime for those who have not discovered the game of golf.

Sam

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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Harry, Russ

If the aid is any good please let me know. My putting has been
indifferent for as long as I can remember.

Sam


"Russ T." wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> According to another golf newsgroup, Harry Douthwaite has
> aquired a brand new practice putting aid.

> and I thought you was playing well..........:-)
>
> or is this yet another secret weapon for the whippet owners
> from the North.
>
> Roll on Hill Valley.
>

> Regards,
>
> Russ T.

--
Sam Smale
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts
- for support rather than illumination.

Pat Williams

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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In article <38BA498D...@wood-hall.demon.co.uk>, Sam
<SamS...@wood-hall.demon.co.uk> writes

>Harry, Russ
>
>If the aid is any good please let me know. My putting has been
>indifferent for as long as I can remember.

Sam, having read the long thread, the test appears to be only a card
which is set down to give a perpendicular line at 90 degrees to the
putter face and which points where your club face does, either inside or
outside the hole at different distances. Look along the line and see
whether or not your alignment is correct. A fairly basic test. That much
I gather.

But the device appears to be one which attaches to the putter head with
the use of a mirror or mirrors to line up on this perpendicular line.
You practise with this on the putting green and hopefully transfer your
new skills to the course. There is a huge discussion now on rsg bringing
in not only the lining up but speed, distance and borrows which, of
course is so totally limitless. Of course Spam or no Spam enters the
equation too.

Harry has one and will no doubt tell us more completely.

Regards

Harry Douthwaite

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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In article <38BA498D...@wood-hall.demon.co.uk>, Sam
<SamS...@wood-hall.demon.co.uk> writes
>Harry, Russ
>
>If the aid is any good please let me know. My putting has been
>indifferent for as long as I can remember.
>
>Sam
Hi Sam,
Visit: <http.www.flatblade.com>

Its called The Putting Instructor and it is very good indeed.

I've had five sent to me - one for DC, LW, Keith Williams (England
Coach) and one for the Irish National Coach - the other I am keeping.

I cannot "put" it down. (pardon the pun!)

Regards,

Harry.

mark pocock

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Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
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well, Harry

What's your first impressions of it?

A couple of months ago whilst waiting for our 4 ball we had some free
putting tips.From the Pro.

Ended up with us adopting a posture like Justin Leonard- hands further
away from the body.
I''ve spent 10 years putting with the ball too close to me it seems!

mark


In article <b+kFIHAW...@golf-software.demon.co.uk>, Harry
Douthwaite <ha...@golf-software.demon.co.uk> writes

--
mark pocock

Harry Douthwaite

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Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
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In article <N9lF6JAN...@shernick.demon.co.uk>, mark pocock
<ma...@shernick.demon.co.uk> writes
>well, Harry
Hi Mark,

>
>What's your first impressions of it?
I love it - not much more to say!

There are four fundamentals to good putting - square face / alignment /
smooth stroke (to "roll" the ball) / pace (how hard to hit it)

This gadget helps with three of the four.

An alignment test card is enclosed so you can check you alignment to a
hole from various distances. This is not as accurate as the Slazenger
laser system I tried last year but it is very effective.

Most players think they are aiming at the hole but when you think that
only 5 England Squad players were on target out of 24 when tested by
Slazenger you may realise that it is not that uncommon a problem.

The Putting Instructor clips to your putter and by using a mirror with a
gun sight together with a small built in spirit level it sets you to the
ball in "Exactly" the correct position. And I mean Exactly - EYES over
the ball.

The 'gun sight' is such that the hole appears through the mirror - you
just cannot miss - even from 22 feet as I tried on Saturday - 41 from 50
putts made.

As an aid to help "set" your feel - I mean it helps you get into the
correct positions - it is superb.

Putting like everything in golf is about repetition - if you have a
correct and repeatable set up, alignment routine & stroke you are 90%
towards becoming a good player.

Remember one thing - "the hole has never been known to move towards a
ball that is hit off line"!

5 Star Rating

Darren Clarke will have his when he gets back from Dubai and Darren is a
truly great "World Class" putter but he still wants to get better so I
know he will love it!

Regards,

Harry.

Russ T.

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Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
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Harry Douthwaite <ha...@golf-software.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:+z8cLJAw...@golf-software.demon.co.uk...
: Most players think they are aiming at the hole but when you think that

: only 5 England Squad players were on target out of 24 when tested by
: Slazenger you may realise that it is not that uncommon a problem.
:
: The Putting Instructor clips to your putter and by using a mirror with a
: gun sight together with a small built in spirit level it sets you to the
: ball in "Exactly" the correct position. And I mean Exactly - EYES over
: the ball.
:
: The 'gun sight' is such that the hole appears through the mirror - you
: just cannot miss - even from 22 feet as I tried on Saturday - 41 from 50
: putts made.
:

snip

: Regards,
:
: Harry.

Harry,
Bloody hell, 82% of putts made from 22 feet went in !!!!!
I don't know about YOU being MY caddie for the seniors tour,
How about me being yours ? subject of corse to a reasonable
retainer and 20% of your winnings,
Keep it up,
Regards,
Russ T.

Harry Douthwaite

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Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
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In article <39fv4.457$Gl6.9101@news2-hme0>, Russ T.
<russ....@cwcom.net> writes
>

>Harry,
>Bloody hell, 82% of putts made from 22 feet went in !!!!!
>I don't know about YOU being MY caddie for the seniors tour,
>How about me being yours ? subject of corse to a reasonable
>retainer and 20% of your winnings,
>Keep it up,
>Regards,
>Russ T.
Hi Russ,
I can assure you - if it's used properly you cannot miss with
it.

The majority of the missed putts were because people were coming over to
have a look and my concentration was affected.

Only one problem with it - it's illegal to use during competitive rounds
otherwise I'd win The Open!!

Regards,

Harry.

Janet Homer

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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Is this legal, guys? These sorts of aids are usually banned in comps aren't
they?

Janet

Chris Booth

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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What does it cost Harry?


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Russ T.

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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NO ! Janet, Read last part of Harys' post above.
Russ T.
Janet Homer <ho...@ndirect.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38be4...@news.netdirect.net.uk...
: Is this legal, guys? These sorts of aids are usually banned in comps aren't
: they?
:
: Janet
:
:

Harry Douthwaite

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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In article <89lh99$mqf$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Chris Booth
<chr...@netcomuk.co.uk> writes

>What does it cost Harry?
Hi Chris,
I think it's about US60 but I suggest you e-mail Jeff Winslow
the inventor on:- <jwin...@san.rr.com> and ask him to quote you a price
delivered to the UK.

Rest assured I'm not making money out of this, "I" just want to become
"better at golf" (pardon the 'semi' spam) ;)

That said, with all the interest (I'm getting quite a few private mails
on this) I maybe should buy the European rights to it!!

Let me know what he says to you.

Regards,

Harry.

--
Harry Douthwaite

Janet Homer

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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Russ T. wrote in message <19sv4.27542$V_.12909@news1-hme0>...

>NO ! Janet, Read last part of Harys' post above.
>Russ T.

Hey, no need to shout at me, Russ. I hadn't seen the Harry's post saying it
was illegal in comps when I sent this. I'm just trying to take an interest
and join in - or is this an exclusive thread to good players?

Janet

Pat Williams

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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In article <38be4...@news.netdirect.net.uk>, Janet Homer
<ho...@ndirect.co.uk> writes

>Is this legal, guys? These sorts of aids are usually banned in comps aren't
>they?
Janet,

This is a training aid which can be used anywhere where you are putting
in practice. It is meant to give you an insight into how you should aim
and is hopefully transferred to the course.

But, of course they may not be used when in a competition. Similar
conception to range finders on the course.

Regards
--
Pat Williams


Sandy Morton

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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In article <38be9...@news.netdirect.net.uk>,

Janet Homer <ho...@ndirect.co.uk> wrote:
> >NO ! Janet, Read last part of Harys' post above.
> >Russ T.

> Hey, no need to shout at me, Russ. I hadn't seen the Harry's post saying it
> was illegal in comps when I sent this. I'm just trying to take an interest
> and join in - or is this an exclusive thread to good players?

Ladies should be encouraged.


Harry Douthwaite

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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In article <49991e...@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk>, Sandy Morton
<a...@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> writes
Come on Chap's - lets stop the chauvinistic's.

Janet asked a relevant question on the rules on where it could be used -
that is what a NG is about I thought? (well, at least since I stopped
sending out tins of Spam!)

Knowing Russ as I think I do, I don't think his reply was intended as a
knock down - maybe just too brief a reply?!?

Come on guy's and gal's - lets all kiss and make up?

Regards,

Harry.

Russ T.

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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Janet,
I apologise if I offended you, 'twas but a simple "kept finger on caps lock
too long" mistake which I didn't realise until after I had hit the send button.
By all means take an interest and join in, BTW thanks for the compliment
about being a good player :-), if Harry can sink 41 out of 50 22 footers
using it, I think everyone should copy him and get one.
Sorry once again,
Russ T.

Janet Homer <ho...@ndirect.co.uk> wrote in message

news:38be9...@news.netdirect.net.uk...
:
: Russ T. wrote in message <19sv4.27542$V_.12909@news1-hme0>...
: >NO ! Janet, Read last part of Harys' post above.


: >Russ T.
:
: Hey, no need to shout at me, Russ. I hadn't seen the Harry's post saying it
: was illegal in comps when I sent this. I'm just trying to take an interest
: and join in - or is this an exclusive thread to good players?

:
: Janet
:
:

Dave Marsh

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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Harry Douthwaite <ha...@golf-software.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:+z8cLJAw...@golf-software.demon.co.uk...

> In article <N9lF6JAN...@shernick.demon.co.uk>, mark pocock
> <ma...@shernick.demon.co.uk> writes
> >well, Harry
> Hi Mark,
> >
> >What's your first impressions of it?
> I love it - not much more to say!
>
> There are four fundamentals to good putting - square face / alignment /
> smooth stroke (to "roll" the ball) / pace (how hard to hit it)
>
> This gadget helps with three of the four.
>
> An alignment test card is enclosed so you can check you alignment to a
> hole from various distances. This is not as accurate as the Slazenger
> laser system I tried last year but it is very effective.
>
> Most players think they are aiming at the hole but when you think that
> only 5 England Squad players were on target out of 24 when tested by
> Slazenger you may realise that it is not that uncommon a problem.
>
> The Putting Instructor clips to your putter and by using a mirror with a
> gun sight together with a small built in spirit level it sets you to the
> ball in "Exactly" the correct position. And I mean Exactly - EYES over
> the ball.
>
> The 'gun sight' is such that the hole appears through the mirror - you
> just cannot miss - even from 22 feet as I tried on Saturday - 41 from 50
> putts made.
>
> As an aid to help "set" your feel - I mean it helps you get into the
> correct positions - it is superb.
>
> Putting like everything in golf is about repetition - if you have a
> correct and repeatable set up, alignment routine & stroke you are 90%
> towards becoming a good player.
>
> Remember one thing - "the hole has never been known to move towards a
> ball that is hit off line"!
>
> 5 Star Rating
>
> Darren Clarke will have his when he gets back from Dubai and Darren is a
> truly great "World Class" putter but he still wants to get better so I
> know he will love it!
>
> Regards,
>
> Harry.
>
> >
> >A couple of months ago whilst waiting for our 4 ball we had some free
> >putting tips.From the Pro.
> >
> > Ended up with us adopting a posture like Justin Leonard- hands further
> >away from the body.
> >I''ve spent 10 years putting with the ball too close to me it seems!
> >
> >mark
==============================

Sunday morning I'll be out with spirit level stuck on putter head and
bathroom mirror taped on shaft(putter shaft) that is.
On a more serious note I would be interested in knowing what percentage you
sink with normal putter after the practice session.


--
==========
Regards
Dave Marsh
==========

Harry Douthwaite

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Mar 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/3/00
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>
>Sunday morning I'll be out with spirit level stuck on putter head and
>bathroom mirror taped on shaft(putter shaft) that is.
>On a more serious note I would be interested in knowing what percentage you
>sink with normal putter after the practice session.
>==========
>Regards
>Dave Marsh
>==========
Hi Dave,
Could quite decide if the question was to me or not so I'll
respond anyway!

My data is as follows:

1998 1999 1999
Callaway BBB Ping "RUD" Ping "RXS"
9 deg' Firm 10 deg / Stiff 10 deg' Stiff

Ave Gross 76.82 75.88 75.33

Driving 57.40% 65.78% 71.79%
Missed F/w Left 13.40% 12.40% 13.26%
Missed F/w Right 21.80% 20.74% 14.95%
Ave Distance 220 Yds 235 Yds 245 Yds

GinReg 52.78% 54.75% 61.11%
Putts (Total) 31.53 29.12 31.33
Putts (GinReg) 1.96 1.89 1.88
Saves 39.32% 49.71% 23.81%
S/Saves 32.26% 33.33% 33.33%


NB. The total number of putts taken is seriously affected by the number
of Saves (read "up & downs") that a player makes. The true measure of
Putting is best seen via the Putts per Green in Reg' figures.

Regards,

Harry.


John Laird

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Mar 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/3/00
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:49:23 -0000, "Dave Marsh" <Dave...@ic24.net>
wrote:

>On a more serious note I would be interested in knowing what percentage you
>sink with normal putter after the practice session.

I would be interested in knowing what percentage of putts are so
straight that knowing you were aiming exactly at the hole actually
helped you sink any. If you have a 1 foot break say, then the aim point
is 1 foot off which is just a patch of grass in the "viewfinder".
Likewise, only experience can help you judge pace and distance.

Yours cynically...

--
John Laird

Sandy Morton

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Mar 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/3/00
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In article <au2FsLAb...@golf-software.demon.co.uk>,

Harry Douthwaite <ha...@golf-software.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> GinReg 52.78% 54.75% 61.11%
> Putts (Total) 31.53 29.12 31.33
> Putts (GinReg) 1.96 1.89 1.88

I thought that we were talking about Golf - not Gin? )-:

--
Sandy Millport
On the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk

Harry Douthwaite

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Mar 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/3/00
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In article <49999c...@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk>, Sandy Morton
<a...@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> writes

>In article <au2FsLAb...@golf-software.demon.co.uk>,
> Harry Douthwaite <ha...@golf-software.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> GinReg 52.78% 54.75% 61.11%
>> Putts (Total) 31.53 29.12 31.33
>> Putts (GinReg) 1.96 1.89 1.88
>
>I thought that we were talking about Golf - not Gin? )-:
>
Regular Gin though Sandy!!

Regards,

Harry.

Sam

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Mar 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/5/00
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Harry Douthwaite wrote:

> In article <38BA498D...@wood-hall.demon.co.uk>, Sam
> <SamS...@wood-hall.demon.co.uk> writes
> >Harry, Russ
> >
> >If the aid is any good please let me know. My putting has been
> >indifferent for as long as I can remember.
> >
> >Sam
> Hi Sam,
> Visit: <http.www.flatblade.com>
>
> Its called The Putting Instructor and it is very good indeed.
>
> I've had five sent to me - one for DC, LW, Keith Williams (England
> Coach) and one for the Irish National Coach - the other I am keeping.
>
> I cannot "put" it down. (pardon the pun!)
>
> Regards,
>
> Harry.

Harry,
Couldn't raise a squeak from www.flatblade.com
Is this the correct URL?

Sam

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Mar 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/6/00
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Sam wrote:

OK Fixed the URL - my ISP was unable to talk to the USA for 12 hours.
Looks an interesting gadget - made a similar thing myself last year with a
laser pointer (as sold to those doing presentations) This design had the
advantage that you could see how you took the putter back (as well as the
other benefits)

Thanks

Janet Homer

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Mar 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/7/00
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Russ T. wrote in message ...

>Janet,
>I apologise if I offended you, 'twas but a simple "kept finger on caps lock
>too long" mistake which I didn't realise until after I had hit the send
button.
>By all means take an interest and join in, BTW thanks for the compliment
>about being a good player :-), if Harry can sink 41 out of 50 22 footers
>using it, I think everyone should copy him and get one.
>Sorry once again,
>Russ T.

OK (should that be lower case??????) Russ, thanks for the apology and thanks
to you guys who jumped in in support! It is sometimes a bit difficult to
'break in' to a male dominated ng, women being a different species an'
all.....! Result, I sometimes get a bit oversensitive so sorry I
misunderstood your comment. I really enjoy all the threads and think this
ng is good fun and (mostly!) lighthearted. Here's to Hill Valley and
cyberfriendships.

Best wishes

Janet

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