Re: USPGA v Els
David Sneddon
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:58:59 +0100, "Nige"
> <ni...@nospamhamlinawards.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>According to 5live today, the USPGA and Ernie Els are in dispute about the
>>number of tournaments he plays in.
>>They want him to play a minimum of, he refuses as he has other comittments
>>and wants to play all over the world.
>>Who do you think id in the right on this?
>>
>>My gut feeling is the the USPGA are being selfish wanting the top golfers in
>>the world at every tournament and sod the rest of us.
>
>
> The land of the free is also the most parochial. As Crispin has pointed
> out, Els has met his commitments to their tour, and now it appears they are
> trying to single him out for reasons unknown. His response seems to have
> been pretty robust, defending his status as a true global player, and good
> luck to him.
I believe it is a question, in the USPGA Tour's eyes, of membership. If
you are a member of that Tour then there are not only a minimum of
events you must play, but if you play in a Euro Tour event the same week
as there is a US PGA Tour event being played, you may receive an
exemption. Not sure how many exemptions are available, however once
that number has been exceeded then you are required to "make up" the
number of events you have missed by playing overseas.
The problem is that generally the top players have either come from the
USA or have gone there to play. Here we have Els, and Singh to a
degree, who do not choose to be tied down to one Tour and want to play
all over the world - I don't think the US PGA Tour really knows what to
do with them.
David
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Chalky
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> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:58:59 +0100, "Nige"
> <ni...@nospamhamlinawards.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>According to 5live today, the USPGA and Ernie Els are in dispute about
>>the number of tournaments he plays in.
>>They want him to play a minimum of, he refuses as he has other
>>comittments and wants to play all over the world.
>>Who do you think id in the right on this?
>>
>>My gut feeling is the the USPGA are being selfish wanting the top
>>golfers in the world at every tournament and sod the rest of us.
>
> The land of the free is also the most parochial. As Crispin has
> pointed out, Els has met his commitments to their tour, and now it
> appears they are trying to single him out for reasons unknown. His
> response seems to have been pretty robust, defending his status as a
> true global player, and good luck to him.
>
The USPGA need him more than he needs them.
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"John Laird" <nos...@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:58:59 +0100, "Nige"
> <ni...@nospamhamlinawards.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >According to 5live today, the USPGA and Ernie Els are in dispute about
the
> >number of tournaments he plays in.
> >They want him to play a minimum of, he refuses as he has other
comittments
> >and wants to play all over the world.
> >Who do you think id in the right on this?
> >
> >My gut feeling is the the USPGA are being selfish wanting the top golfers
in
> >the world at every tournament and sod the rest of us.
>
> The land of the free is also the most parochial. As Crispin has pointed
> out, Els has met his commitments to their tour, and now it appears they
are
> trying to single him out for reasons unknown. His response seems to have
> been pretty robust, defending his status as a true global player, and good
> luck to him.
>
> Can you still know nothing, if you don't know anything?
>
> Mail john rather than nospam...
I heard the same radio 5 report this morning, I was left with the impression
that USPGA were not happy that Els competed in the Euro Tour(& will continue
todo so) They want him to exclusively play in the US tour ie not the min 15
events as he does as present.
They are p****d off that they lose one of the biggest draws money wise to a
sub org as they see it. Els on the other hand believes he is a world player,
he is also based here, & the Euro tour has events worldwide.
Chris
Crispin Roche
<ni...@nospamhamlinawards.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>According to 5live today, the USPGA and Ernie Els are in dispute about the
>number of tournaments he plays in.
>They want him to play a minimum of, he refuses as he has other comittments
>and wants to play all over the world.
The Guardian report about the dispute says that the USPGA Tour want
Els to "earn" releases to play events on other tours. The USPGA Tour
want him to play an extra event on their tour for every event he plays
abroad. As Els already plays more than the minimum number of events
needed to maintain his US PGA Tour card I can't see how the US Tour
proposals would work.
One thing is not clear and that is whether this treatment is being
meted out solely to Els or whether it applies to all players on the US
PGA Tour who also play on other tours. If the later then its a sad
piece of national chauvinism on the part of the USPGA Tour. If it's
just Els then its very juvenile on the USPGA Tour's part.
Crispin Roche
Richard Faulkner
<ni...@nospamhamlinawards.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>According to 5live today, the USPGA and Ernie Els are in dispute about the
>number of tournaments he plays in.
>They want him to play a minimum of, he refuses as he has other comittments
>and wants to play all over the world.
>
>My gut feeling is the the USPGA are being selfish wanting the top golfers in
>the world at every tournament and sod the rest of us.
>
>--
I think it would be the USPGA's loss if they sacked him.
Let's face it, he doesnt need the money.
--
Richard Faulkner
John Laird
>The problem is that generally the top players have either come from the
>USA or have gone there to play. Here we have Els, and Singh to a
>degree, who do not choose to be tied down to one Tour and want to play
>all over the world - I don't think the US PGA Tour really knows what to
>do with them.
Apart from piss them off ;-)
I knew that Ernie had several homes, including one on the Wentworth estate,
but was a little surprised to hear him state that he pretty much considers
the UK to be his home. One might have imagined that Florida would be a more
obvious choice - it's certainly popular with many pros from all over the
globe. However, I see at least one of his kids is at school now, and
undoubtedly when you get to that stage in life you have to put down firmer
roots and look at a slightly bigger picture than just pro golf.
It is a curious state of affairs that the USPGA tour seems to take offence
at any player daring to play elsewhere in the same week as one of their
official events. Surely the major tours must be getting close to the point
where there *is* something on every week. Asking a player to seek an
exemption from the Kentucky Walmart Invitational or whatever to go play in
the Volvo PGA just sounds like unnecessary posturing. But I'm sure we've
been here before with this "you [effectively] can't be a member of more than
one tour" nonsense.
--
A little inaccuracy saves a lot of explanation.
David Sneddon
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:32:11 -0400, David Sneddon <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The problem is that generally the top players have either come from the
>>USA or have gone there to play. Here we have Els, and Singh to a
>>degree, who do not choose to be tied down to one Tour and want to play
>>all over the world - I don't think the US PGA Tour really knows what to
>>do with them.
>
>
> Apart from piss them off ;-)
Finchem has certainly managed to do that.
He is on shaky ground here, I doubt he could suspend Els' membership in
the US PGA Tour, since Els has so many exemptions.
I think Finchem is looking at the PGA Tour as a whole, and that if Els
goes off to play in a European or Asian Tour tournament (with a large
appearance fee), then US players would feel that they do not have to
stay home and play in the Greater John Deere 84 Lumber Invitational
Classic or some such 'minor' tournament. He is trying to protect his
own Tour.
I doubt if, by past record, that too many US players are inclined to
play overseas, regardless of appearance money. This was not a problem as
long as the Top 10 players in the world were American, however nowadays
with the likes of Singh, Els, Donald, Scott being big name draws and
regardless if they actually live for most of the year in the US, they
play a lot of International tournaments and I think it is the future
that Finchem is trying to protect here.
David
johnty
>
> I think Finchem is looking at the PGA Tour as a whole, and that if Els
> goes off to play in a European or Asian Tour tournament (with a large
> appearance fee), then US players would feel that they do not have to
> stay home and play in the Greater John Deere 84 Lumber Invitational
> Classic or some such 'minor' tournament. He is trying to protect his
> own Tour.
>
Is he under pressure from sponsors who want the biggest names at their
tournament and are threatening to pull out if the USPGA doesn't
deliver?
David Sneddon
I really don't know if he is under any pressure from sponsors, john, but
I would have to assume so. All the tournaments over here want the 'big'
names, and you can't blame them for that. Larger gate, larger TV
audience - all tied to $$$$$$.
David
Benway
<ni...@nospamhamlinawards.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>According to 5live today, the USPGA and Ernie Els are in dispute about the
>number of tournaments he plays in.
>They want him to play a minimum of, he refuses as he has other comittments
>and wants to play all over the world.
>Who do you think id in the right on this?
>
>My gut feeling is the the USPGA are being selfish wanting the top golfers in
>the world at every tournament and sod the rest of us.
>
>Nige
For what it is worth, i think you'll find Ernie's home tour is the
South African Tour NOT the European or US tours.
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Benway
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KenH
>
> For what it is worth, i think you'll find Ernie's home tour is the
> South African Tour NOT the European or US tours.
As I understand it thats part of the problem. Playing his home tour is OK
but playing another tour, eg Europe, requires exemptions.
Goosen has declared Europe as his home tour and doesnt have the same issue
because the SA tour requires fewer exemptions.
KenH
Sam
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Thats where I reckon the pressure comes from. Sponsors want the best and the
best in hte US is now world No 3.
As usual, its all about money.
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