Bunkers & animal holes.

[Sean McConkey]

I landed in a bunker on Sunday & noticed the ball was very close to 2
holes dug by rabbits actually in the bunker. If I had landed in one of
these holes, do the same rules apply to animals scrapings etc as outside
the bunker?

Should I drop the ball and a) what happens if it plugs (re-drop?) b)
roles nearer the pin?

Would the same ruling apply to say a footprint or club mark that had not
been raked?

I know I couild look all this up... but it's far more intersting to read
others interpretations of rulings etc.

[Malcolm Wadsworth]

"Sean McConkey" <snm_RE...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.193eb25b5...@news.uk.colt.net...

I'll answer the question a bit backwards if I may.
Firstly there is no relief from footprints or club marks - these are to be
expected in bunkers and anywhere else on the course.
You are only entitled to relief from "abnormal ground conditions" which
include: holes made by burrowing animals (see Definition of an abnormal
ground condition); casual water and ground under repair.
Secondly, if your ball lies in a bunker, and you are entitled to relief,
basically you take relief exactly as you would through the green, except you
drop the ball in the bunker, within one club length from the nearest point
of relief in the bunker (Rule 25-1b(ii)).
Thirdly, if your ball plugs, that's tough - always bear this in mind before
lifting your ball to take relief - you may be better off playing the ball as
it lies if the Rules allow.
Fourthly, what if it rolls nearer the hole? I'm sure you know that if it
does the ball must be re-dropped. If it happens a second time, you then
place the ball where it first struck a part of the course on the second drop
(Rule 20-2c).
Now I've given you the Rule numbers, you will be able to find the full and
precise wording in the Rule book yourself.
I earnestly urge you to read the Rules for yourself as there are 16 reasons
why a ball should be re-dropped and because it plugs isn't one of them!!
(I'll leave someone else to have a go at listing the 16 reasons :-))

Malcolm

[johnty]

Sean McConkey <snm_RE...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.193eb25b5...@news.uk.colt.net>...

> I landed in a bunker on Sunday & noticed the ball was very close to 2
> holes dug by rabbits actually in the bunker. If I had landed in one of
> these holes, do the same rules apply to animals scrapings etc as outside
> the bunker?
>

Rule 25-1b(ii)

> Should I drop the ball and a) what happens if it plugs (re-drop?) b)
> roles nearer the pin?
>

a) nothing b) Rule 20-2c(vii)

> Would the same ruling apply to say a footprint or club mark that had not
> been raked?

No

>
> I know I could look all this up...

me, too.

[Kev Nurse]

Hi Malcolm, here's one for you (and everyone else, of course), regarding
rabbit scrapes and bunkers:

A rabbit scrapes a horizontal 6 inch diameter hole into the forward wall of
a fairway bunker. The wall is only 9 inches high and eventually the earth
above the hole collapses, leaving a half moon shape (viewed from above) of
bare earth forward of the front edge of the bunker. Bunker sand eventually
finds its way into the collapsed area.

Is the area of collapsed earth, now covered with bunker sand, still a hole
made by an animal?

If so, is the hole considered to be in the bunker?

Do you remember Tony McCrae (from S Africa) at the Gathering? His ball came
to rest in such an area at Drumoig.

Regards
Kev

[Sean McConkey]

In article <4L6Ba.842$eq2.6...@news-text.cableinet.net>,
m...@blueoverthere.co.uk says...

> Now I've given you the Rule numbers, you will be able to find the full and
> precise wording in the Rule book yourself.
> I earnestly urge you to read the Rules for yourself as there are 16 reasons
> why a ball should be re-dropped and because it plugs isn't one of them!!
> (I'll leave someone else to have a go at listing the 16 reasons :-))
>
> Malcolm
>
>

Thanks Malcolm... I am learning all the rules slowly... reading many of
the posts here enhances this.

I have a rule book and I haven't yet taken it to bed with me, but it
might be time soon! :)

[Malcolm Wadsworth]

"Kev Nurse" <k...@nospamknurse.com> wrote in message
news:bb30hr$47a$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...

IMV no, as the half-moon shape does not fit the definition of a bunker, ie
it was not a prepared area, etc.

Had a similar situation yesterday while acting at the County Boys
Championship. Ball lands in a rabbit hole in the side of a bunker. I had to
look at it from above to see whether any part of the ball lay within the
margin of the bunker, to determine whether relief should be taken in or out
of the bunker.

--
Regards,
Malcolm

[Ian Clark]

"Malcolm Wadsworth" <m...@blueoverthere.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4L6Ba.842$eq2.6...@news-text.cableinet.net...

> I earnestly urge you to read the Rules for yourself as there are 16
reasons
> why a ball should be re-dropped and because it plugs isn't one of them!!
> (I'll leave someone else to have a go at listing the 16 reasons :-))
>
> Malcolm
>
>

How many reasons do you associate with 20-2c? is it one or multiple?

:o)

[Malcolm Wadsworth]

"Ian Clark" <laphing.boy@[FROWN}ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:B_8Ba.14468$Mu3.3...@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...

In my counting I was combining 20-2c (i) & (ii) but separating (vii)(a)(b) &
(c) ;-)

[Ian Clark]

"Malcolm Wadsworth" <m...@blueoverthere.co.uk> wrote in message

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Ah. I see now - but I fear I am not ready for this level of understanding.

;o)

[Sam]

"Sean McConkey" <snm_RE...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.193eb25b5...@news.uk.colt.net...

Then why not look it up and provide the rest of us with an interesting
interpretation :-)
Yes
Optional
Tough
Redrop
No
--
Sam
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than
illumination
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