Re: Thank God for American Football, Real Football
Rob Cypher
wrote:
>On Sep 15, 6:35�am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football. Who
>> gives a crap about a bunch of sissies running around in shorts kicking
>> a round ball and scoring 1 or 2 points a game. American Football is
>> one of the �reasons why the USA is the greatest country on Earth.
>>
>> They should call it suckker.
>
>Now hold on minute there Steady Eddie! You know and I know that what
>you say just ain't true!
>
>Football (not soccer) is the one true religion. The one played ALL
>OVER THE WORLD except in the good ol US of A of course...so it's
>FOOTBALL Eddie - not soccer...got that?
>
>Jeff_D
shut up you fucking english wanker. American Football is the king of all sports.
Unlike primitive "soccer", it requires brains to play.
"AMERICA AMERICA GOD SHED HIS LIGHT ON THEE" - famous words
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rwa2play (Lost mode on)
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT), Jeff_D <jeffdoberm...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sep 15, 6:35 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football. Who
> >> gives a crap about a bunch of sissies running around in shorts kicking
> >> a round ball and scoring 1 or 2 points a game. American Football is
> >> one of the reasons why the USA is the greatest country on Earth.
>
> >> They should call it suckker.
>
> >Now hold on minute there Steady Eddie! You know and I know that what
> >you say just ain't true!
>
> >Football (not soccer) is the one true religion. The one played ALL
> >OVER THE WORLD except in the good ol US of A of course...so it's
> >FOOTBALL Eddie - not soccer...got that?
>
> >Jeff_D
>
> shut up you fucking english wanker. American Football is the king of all sports.
> Unlike primitive "soccer", it requires brains to play.
>
> "AMERICA AMERICA GOD SHED HIS LIGHT ON THEE" - famous words
Rob, I like you and all...but even I say that Soccer has nuances that
rival or even exceed American Football.
Flint
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT), Jeff_D <jeffdo...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 15, 6:35 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football. Who
>>> gives a crap about a bunch of sissies running around in shorts kicking
>>> a round ball and scoring 1 or 2 points a game. American Football is
>>> one of the reasons why the USA is the greatest country on Earth.
>>>
>>> They should call it suckker.
>> Now hold on minute there Steady Eddie! You know and I know that what
>> you say just ain't true!
>>
>> Football (not soccer) is the one true religion. The one played ALL
>> OVER THE WORLD except in the good ol US of A of course...so it's
>> FOOTBALL Eddie - not soccer...got that?
>>
>> Jeff_D
>
> shut up you fucking english wanker. American Football is the king of all sports.
> Unlike primitive "soccer", it requires brains to play.
'Futbol', Football, or Soccer... whatever you want to call it has the
largest viewing audience in the *world* -- period.
American football OTOH, requires *far more* than just athletism and
motor skills... it requires *brains* as well. There is far more
strategy involved in American football both ON the field and OFF the
field when you consider front-office operations as well. American
football consists of defense, offense, special teams, and the often
overlooked strategic off-field/off season 'maneuvers' in personel
aquisitions/management/contract negotiations.
Flint
rafiki
wrote:
I wouldn't admit that in public if I were you.
--rafiki
Thank you drive through.
Pauli G
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> - Show quoted text -
let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
fame has?
Fun Fact: Tim Tebow is a direct descendent of metternich, the famed
head of the congress of vienna and the inventor of the vienna finger
cookie.
rwa2play (Lost mode on)
Meh...
DeadMangledPigeon
"Flint" <agen...@section31.org> wrote
>> shut up you fucking english wanker. American Football is the king of all
>> sports.
>> Unlike primitive "soccer", it requires brains to play.
> American football OTOH, requires *far more* than just athletism and motor
> skills... it requires *brains* as well.
That must be why you Merkins are so GOOD at it.
Er, does anyone else play?
No.
"You need brains to play Pro-Am" is like saying you need a cunt to piss.
What you DO need to play your sad little game is a bunch of fucking armour
so that you get don't hurt, you fucking pussies.
Try Rugby. Now, *there's* a REAL man's game. You wouldn't even last five
minutes. Bit like Vietnam in that respect.
And Iraq.
And just about everything else you sad bunch of fucking mongrels try your
six-fingered hand at.
Seeya!
DeadMangledPigeon
Fevric J. Glandules
Pauli G wrote:
> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
> fame has?
Is this a trick question?
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> Ooh look, a silly cross-post. How novel.
Exactly what I thought!
> Pauli G wrote:
>
>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>> fame has?
>
> Is this a trick question?
You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
--Tedward
GregoryD
Hint: Rugby players wouldn't last 5 minutes playing American rules
football without pads either.
Have fun continuing to be irrelevant, along with whatever 3rd world
country you hail from.
GregoryD
Fevric J. Glandules
> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>> Pauli G wrote:
>>
>>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>>> fame has?
>>
>> Is this a trick question?
>
> You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
Richard Tobin
-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
Steady Eddy
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT), Jeff_D <jeffdoberm...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 15, 6:35 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football. Who
> >> gives a crap about a bunch of sissies running around in shorts kicking
> >> a round ball and scoring 1 or 2 points a game. American Football is
> >> one of the reasons why the USA is the greatest country on Earth.
>
> >> They should call it suckker.
>
> >Now hold on minute there Steady Eddie! You know and I know that what
> >you say just ain't true!
>
> >Football (not soccer) is the one true religion. The one played ALL
> >OVER THE WORLD except in the good ol US of A of course...so it's
> >FOOTBALL Eddie - not soccer...got that?
>
> >Jeff_D
>
> shut up you fucking english wanker. American Football is the king of all sports.
> Unlike primitive "soccer", it requires brains to play.
>
> "AMERICA AMERICA GOD SHED HIS LIGHT ON THEE" - famous words
>
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I agree Rob. Notice the cheap bastards who play soccer only require a
pair of dirty shorts and a round ball. Each player wears about
2 dollars worth of equipment. All you need to play soccer is a dirty
jock strap and a pair shorts. Real football requires far more
equipment, better skills and more intensity. Shit anyone can kick a
fucking ball around. Of course I expect nothing less from the
cheap bastards. I would like to see any soccer team take on any
professional football team in a knock em down drag em out fight. The
fucking
pussy soccer punks would get their ass beat down so bad that they
would have to pull down their soiled underwear to say Uncle.
Rob Cypher
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You pulverized 'em, Eddy!!!
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Joe Horowitz
"Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey, we (and six billion others) may never have heard of Tim Tebow, but he's
world famous in America.
He's the World Champion.
Of America.
--
Joe
"I am the fat puddin', but a single puddingness" - Vicky Conlan
Albert Ross
> On Sep 15, 3:42 pm, Flint <agent...@section31.org> wrote:
>> Rob Cypher wrote:
>> > On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT), Jeff_D
>> <jeffdoberm...@googlemail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> On Sep 15, 6:35 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football.
[]
>
> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
> fame has?
>
> Fun Fact: Tim Tebow is a direct descendent of metternich, the famed
> head of the congress of vienna and the inventor of the vienna finger
> cookie.
This is excellent irony! I can only assume Pelé is unknown in the North.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelé
--
Hi there!
nigel
> American Football is the king of all sports.
> Unlike primitive "soccer", it requires brains to play.
That's why there are sports scholarships, so that the most intelligent
students can play it if they're clever enough.
And since girls are more intelligent than boys, obviously girls play
American Football while boys play soccer.
Oh, you're an American - that bit about needing brains was irony. Quite
subtle.
Pauli G
wrote:
> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote in messagenews:h8p651$vls$1...@news.tornevall.net...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tim Tebow operates largely in stealth mode in Europe - he's associated
with the UN and runs the EU as a hobby.
Joe Horowitz
"Pauli G" <rio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tim Tebow operates largely in stealth mode in Europe - he's associated
> with the UN and runs the EU as a hobby.
Wow. He sounds jolly impressive. Although Wikipedia merely lists him as
'an American Football player notable only for his ability to play American
Football very well indeed', I've no reason to doubt what you say.
Long live Tim Tebow, possibly the greatest human being in the world. In
Pauli G
wrote:
> "Pauli G" <rior...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
he's listed as such in Wikipedia so he doesn't get the Euro's knickers
in the proverbial twist. It wouldn't play well to the home crowd if
they knew the continent was being controlled from afar by a demi-god
living in an American swamp.
unklbob
wrote:
> "Pauli G" <rior...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You typed Tim Tebow's name in a Usenet post, and you're a better
person for it.
Joe Horowitz
"unklbob" <mcgri...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 10:01 am, "Joe Horowitz" <my_n...@youblunder.co.youghey>
wrote:
>> America.
>
> person for it.
Yep, it's good to support the minorities sometimes. Next week, I'll be
typing the name of a famous table-tennis player.
Meanwhile, you quoted some of my text in one of your posts, and you're a
better person for that.
We're all improving!
Joe Horowitz
On Sep 16, 10:01 am, "Joe Horowitz" <my_n...@youblunder.co.youghey>
wrote:
>> 'an American Football player notable only for his ability to play
>> American
>> Football very well indeed', I've no reason to doubt what you say.
>
>> Long live Tim Tebow, possibly the greatest human being in the world. In
>> America.
>
> in the proverbial twist. It wouldn't play well to the home crowd if
> they knew the continent was being controlled from afar by a demi-god
> living in an American swamp.
Like I said, I've absolutely no reason to doubt you, as I find all your
arguments both compelling and insightful. I'm guessing you're some kind of
professor.
Pauli G
wrote:
> "Pauli G" <rior...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
no, actually I'm not. But I have watched Tim Tebow throw a foosball,
and it's made me a better human being.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>No sport in uk.misc, please.
>
> [Redacted], did no-one tell you inconsiderate [Redacted] it's not allowed
> in
> uk.sport.football either? At least have the common decency to label it
> OT.
>
> [Redacted}.
Please, this is a family newsgroup I'm posting to!
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>> > Tim Tebow
>>
>> Who?
>
> It's an anagram.
Tim Tebow is an anagram for Tim Tebow.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>>>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>>>> fame has?
>>>
>>> Is this a trick question?
>>
>> You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>
> I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
> least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
David Bechham doesn't make one a better person just because
you spent 15 minutes with him.
Tim Tebow wrote a novel in the first, second, and third person.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>>>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>>>>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>>>>> fame has?
>>>>
>>>> Is this a trick question?
>>>
>>> You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>>
>> I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
>> least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
>
> Hey, we (and six billion others) may never have heard of Tim Tebow, but
> he's
> world famous in America.
>
> He's the World Champion.
>
> Of America.
Which, in everything but silly British sports, means he is the
World Champion of the world.
--Tedward
Amethyst Deceiver
says...
> "AMERICA AMERICA GOD SHED HIS LIGHT ON THEE" - famous words
So famous we've never heard them.
unklbob
wrote:
If we all could only regrow our foreskins so Tim could circumcise us
again, only better.
Tom Enright
wrote:
What's the anagram for Michael Bolton?
-Tom Enright
> --Tedward
Tom Enright
wrote:
> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> > I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
> > least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
> David Bechham doesn't make one a better person just because
> you spent 15 minutes with him.
>
> Tim Tebow wrote a novel in the first, second, and third person.
It's a proven fact that approx. 37% of all American women 24/7 to
images of Tim Tebow.
-Tom Enright
> --Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> >> > Tim Tebow
>
> >> Who?
>
> > It's an anagram.
>
> Tim Tebow is an anagram for Tim Tebow.
<
<What's the anagram for Michael Bolton?
Bolt on Michael.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> >>>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
> >>>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
> >>>> fame has?
>
> >>> Is this a trick question?
>
> >> You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>
> > I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
> > least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
>
> David Bechham doesn't make one a better person just because
> you spent 15 minutes with him.
>
> Tim Tebow wrote a novel in the first, second, and third person.
<
<If we all could only regrow our foreskins so Tim could circumcise us
<again, only better.
Bush and his restrictions on stem cell research nipped that one in the bud.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> So is Wot Bitem, Tedward, never forget that.
Thanks to you, I probably won't.
--Tedward
Kullrad
>> Tim Tebow operates largely in stealth mode in Europe - he's associated
>> with the UN and runs the EU as a hobby.
>
> I ran the EU as a hobby once...
Really, Demo? AHDTWOFTEU?
--
Kullrad
"50 thousand people used to live here...now it's a ghost town"
Gozer the Traveler
He's the one that beat the Nazis and liberated France with Sly and
Michael Cain, right?
--
TO
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> >> >> On Sep 15, 6:35 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football.
>
> []
>
>
>
> > let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
> > that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
> > fame has?
>
> > Fun Fact: Tim Tebow is a direct descendent of metternich, the famed
> > head of the congress of vienna and the inventor of the vienna finger
> > cookie.
>
> This is excellent irony! I can only assume Pel� is unknown in the
> North.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel�
<
<He's the one that beat the Nazis and liberated France with Sly and
<Michael Cain, right?
He made it ashore on Juno Beach unscathed because instead of taking
a landing craft, he swam the whole distance, and none of the Germans
noticed him.
--Tedward
Fevric J. Glandules
> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>>>>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>>>>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>>>>> fame has?
>>>>
>>>> Is this a trick question?
>>>
>>> You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>>
>> I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
>> least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
>
> David Bechham doesn't make one a better person just because
> you spent 15 minutes with him.
And? The question was "has there been a universal soccer personality
that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow"?
> Tim Tebow wrote a novel in the first, second, and third person.
Unlike Association football, which regularly punts players into worldwide
fame, I think the last American football player that people outside the
USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
bof
<f...@invalid.invalid> writes
>I think the last American football player that people outside the
>USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
Yeah, he was cool.
--
bof at bof dot me dot uk
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>>>>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>>>>>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>>>>>> fame has?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a trick question?
>>>>
>>>> You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>>>
>>> I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
>>> least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
>>
>> David Bechham doesn't make one a better person just because
>> you spent 15 minutes with him.
>
> And? The question was "has there been a universal soccer personality
> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow"?
And nobody has.
>> Tim Tebow wrote a novel in the first, second, and third person.
>
> Unlike Association football, which regularly punts players into worldwide
> fame, I think the last American football player that people outside the
> USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
This isn't a world wide popularity contest. Besides, the Fridge could
barely read, much less write a novel.
--Tedward
nigel
> Unlike Association football, which regularly punts players into worldwide
> fame, I think the last American football player that people outside the
> USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
Yeah, Matthew Perry wasn't it - didn't he move on to acting?
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> Shit, sorry, didn't notice alt.drugs.hard in that list. Fucking
> [redacted] useless [redacted] newsreaders.
Seriously, lots of kids are in the pro-wresting chatroom.
--Tedward
Steve Terry
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On Sep 16, 7:41 am, "Albert Ross" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:34:05 +0100, Pauli G <rior...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 15, 3:42 pm, Flint <agent...@section31.org> wrote:
> >> Rob Cypher wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT), Jeff_D
> >> <jeffdoberm...@googlemail.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
>> >> >> On Sep 15, 6:35 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >>> Who gives a rat's tail about soccer. Men watch American Football.
>
>Michael Cain, right?
>
>
Sly? He's the one who in Rambo3 liberated the Afghan Taliban from the er....
oh...dear
Steve Terry
Lamey the Cable Guy
> In message <h8rgfv$5qg$1...@news.tornevall.net>, Fevric J. Glandules
> <f...@invalid.invalid> writes
>
>>I think the last American football player that people outside the
>>USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
>
> Yeah, he was cool.
>
Elway, no one better.
--
Joe Horowitz
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>
> It's a proven fact that approx. 37% of all American women 24/7 to
>images of Tim Tebow.
Tim Tebow invented plums, and the colour yellow. True story.
Joe Horowitz
"The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in message
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> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> fame, I think the last American football player that people outside the
>> USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
>
> This isn't a world wide popularity contest. Besides, the Fridge could
> barely read, much less write a novel.
I love when a 'soccerball is rubbish etc' thread gets crossposted to this
froup. It's always nice, even after ten years of reading this argument, to
see all the new angles and stuff to it. At least it would be, if anyone had
any. Even the whole 'American Football is better because the players would
be better at fighting' line someone used earlier is, I'm afraid, something
of a cliche and it makes no more sense to me now than it did the first time
I heard it. Just like the 'American Football is better because you need
more expensive equipment to play it' line. Otherwise the best sport of all
would be ninjas with gold-plated lasers or something although that would
actually be quite good.
I can't help feeling, though, that trying to assert that one sport is better
than another is like trying to say, for example, brandy is better than
whisky. If you only ever drank whisky, it would be hard to see how people
could get so excited about brandy, which basically all tastes the same and
is never that good, when the subtleties and complexities and variety of
whisky on the market are so great'n'shit, but if you only ever drank brandy,
you'd feel the same way about whisky. If you didn't like either, you'd like
something else, like beer or cider or something which would be like
athletics and... I dunno... maybe judo... and if you didn't drink any
alcohol you'd be like one of these people who really just doesn't like sport
at all and prefers painting... and, well I'm not really sure where I was
going with this but some of you will be better people for having read it.
America is a fantastic country that has given the world many great things
and done much to advance the human species as a whole. Of that there is no
doubt. America is also a bloody awful country that has given the world many
stupid and harmful things and has done much to hinder the advance of the
human species as a whole as well, probably in equal measure. Just depends
how you define progress. When you're as big and dominant'n'shit as your
country currently is, it's strengths and weaknesses are there for all the
world to see. But however anyone feels about America, you guys are
impossible to ignore.
Fortunately, the same is not true of your sports, which for some reason the
rest of the world seems entirely capable of ignoring to an extent which can
be said for any other aspect of your society and culture. I don't know why
this is, but for some reason growing up in the U.S. and A. gives you a
totally different outlook on sport and what it should be like to if you grew
up in almost any other country in the world, prosperous, impoverished,
whatever.
There are people who love your sports in this country, I've even been one of
them myself at times, but no matter how much money is invested in promoting
these sports outside of America, or on promoting soccer in America, they'll
always only appeal to the minority in either case. Except in the parts that
are mostly Mexican, obviously. I watched a lot of American Football around
the time of the Fridge and his superbowl-winning antics, as many British
people did, when American Football briefly became almost fashionable for a
few years in the late eighties, used to stay up with my brother until stupid
o'clock on a schoolnight, on special one-off dispensation from our mum, to
watch the superbowl. Mind you, this was due to a period of disenchantment
with 'soccer' brought on by the Maxwells fucking over the club I loved (long
story). My brother went on to play your game at about as competitive level
as you could in the country at the time, for his university. I got bored of
it and went back to watching football, although true to my promise to myself
I never set foot inside the Manor Ground again.. I've also been to Dodger
Stadium a shitload of times over a period of about twelve years, watched
Fernando Valenzuela pitch a shut-out in front of my eyes, he was amazing.
He breathes through his eyelids, you know. Subsequently I'll always have a
soft spot for baseball, and for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
However, when it comes to sport, nothing hits the spot for me like football,
and this is true for a majority of people of all different types all over
the world, except in America. Again, I'm not entirely sure why that is but
I do think it's interesting. If I could play an sport I'd play football,
and always did until my left knee and right ankle became too teh ghey to
hack it anymore in the last couple of years. And I earn a reasonable (as in
'quite small but adequate') salary so it's not like I couldn't afford to
play something that requires more kit. And I'm also pretty bright, and I do
also kind of love test cricket which is just about the most stupidly
complicated and tactical sport there is, but frankly nothing can or ever
will hit the spot like football. It's just great. To play, to watch,
whatever. That's my thing. You're welcome to your thing.
Cheers.
ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of American
sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten years.
Others are free to add to it as I'm sure I'll miss a few but not enough to
disprove my central argument, which is that it's strange how nearly
everything about your society has massive global influence except your
sports, and that a more interesting argument might get to the bottom of why
this is.
Pete Sampras
Anthony Summers
> Otherwise the best sport of all
> would be ninjas with gold-plated lasers or something although that would
> actually be quite good.
That would ROOL!!!!!!!!
--
A. Summers || summerstorm0007-->at<--yahoo.com
Anthony Summers
> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of American
> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten years.
> Others are free to add to it as I'm sure I'll miss a few but not enough to
> disprove my central argument, which is that it's strange how nearly
> everything about your society has massive global influence except your
> sports, and that a more interesting argument might get to the bottom of why
> this is.
>
> Pete Sampras
Shaquille O'Neal
Michael Jordan
Andre Agassi
Tiger Woods
Michael Phelps
Brad Friedel
Jeff Gordon
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Monica Seles
Michelle Wie
Danica Patrick
�~����u�~�
Way too long to read, do you offer cliffnotes?
Thomas R. Kettler
Demosthenes <demos...@theonering.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:38:13 -0000, "Joe Horowitz"
> <my_...@youblunder.co.youghey> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Tom Enright" <freddy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:57f12802-91b0-4dfb...@p9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> >On Sep 16, 10:43 am, "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com>
> >wrote:
> >>> Tim Tebow wrote a novel in the first, second, and third person.
> >>
> >> It's a proven fact that approx. 37% of all American women 24/7 to
> >>images of Tim Tebow.
> >
> >Tim Tebow invented plums, and the colour yellow. True story.
>
> Oh cmon Joe, now you're just making shit up. Everyone knows it was
> Walt Whitman that invented the colour yellow.
You misspelled William Randolph Hearst. After all, you can't have
"yellow journalism" if you didn't invent yellow.
Whitman invented green for "Leaves of Grass."
--
Remove blown from email address to reply.
bof
<my_...@youblunder.co.youghey> writes
>
>"The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in message
>news:h8riir$dc4$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
>> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> Unlike Association football, which regularly punts players into worldwide
>>> fame, I think the last American football player that people outside the
>>> USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
>>
>> This isn't a world wide popularity contest. Besides, the Fridge could
>> barely read, much less write a novel.
>
>I love when a 'soccerball is rubbish etc' thread gets crossposted to this
>froup. It's always nice, even after ten years of reading this argument, to
>see all the new angles and stuff to it. At least it would be, if anyone had
>any. Even the whole 'American Football is better because the players would
>be better at fighting' line someone used earlier is, I'm afraid, something
>of a cliche and it makes no more sense to me now than it did the first time
>I heard it. Just like the 'American Football is better because you need
>more expensive equipment to play it' line.
Well I love the way American rules footballer's do the Dallas/Dynasty
style power dressing with the padded shoulders, so 80's retro.
Fevric J. Glandules
> I heard it. Just like the 'American Football is better because you need
> more expensive equipment to play it' line. Otherwise the best sport of all
> would be ninjas with gold-plated lasers or something although that would
> actually be quite good.
American sport always involves lots of (prefereably expensive)
equipment.
> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of American
> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten years.
>
> Pete Sampras
Phelps?
Jordan?
Fevric J. Glandules
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:38:24 -0000, Joe Horowitz wrote...
>
>> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
>> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of American
>> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten years.
> Shaquille O'Neal
Nope. Don't think so.
> Brad Friedel
Who?
> Jeff Gordon
Who?
> Michelle Wie
Nope. Don't think so.
> Danica Patrick
Nope. Don't think so.
Albert Ross
<my_...@youblunder.co.youghey> wrote:
>
[snip post about each to their own]
> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any
> way
> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of
> American
> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten
> years.
> Others are free to add to it as I'm sure I'll miss a few but not enough
> to
> disprove my central argument, which is that it's strange how nearly
> everything about your society has massive global influence except your
> sports, and that a more interesting argument might get to the bottom of
> why
> this is.
>
> Pete Sampras
>
the Williams sisters (tennis again)
that cycling chap who had cancer. Armstrong.
--
Hi there!
Willy Eckerslyke
> Anthony Summers wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:38:24 -0000, Joe Horowitz wrote...
>>
>>> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
>>> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of American
>>> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten years.
>> Shaquille O'Neal
>
> Nope. Don't think so.
>
>> Brad Friedel
>
> Who?
>
>> Jeff Gordon
>
> Who?
Wasn't he in The Fly and Mansfield Park.
Derek Geldard
<mrto...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Fun Fact: � Tim Tebow is a direct descendent of metternich, the famed
>> > head of the congress of vienna and the inventor of the vienna finger
>> > cookie.
>>
>> This is excellent irony! I can only assume Pel� is unknown in the North.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel�
>>
>
>He's the one that beat the Nazis and liberated France with Sly and
>Michael Cain, right?
No, he's the one who fell asleep on the beach , got sunburnt and went
on to write Pele Arse & Smellisandra.
Derek
Joe Horowitz
"Anthony Summers" <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.251b60242...@news-europe.giganews.com...
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:38:24 -0000, Joe Horowitz wrote...
>
>> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any
>> way
>> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of
>> American
>> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten
>> years.
>> Others are free to add to it as I'm sure I'll miss a few but not enough
>> to
>> disprove my central argument, which is that it's strange how nearly
>> everything about your society has massive global influence except your
>> sports, and that a more interesting argument might get to the bottom of
>> why
>> this is.
>>
>> Pete Sampras
>
> Shaquille O'Neal
He was in my original list, along with Magic Johonson and Michael Johnson
and Michael Jordan, then I realised it said 'in the last ten years'.
> Michael Jordan
Quite.
> Andre Agassi
And him.
> Tiger Woods
Ah, now this one I'll concede. Definitely should have said him.
> Michael Phelps
Yep, fair call.
> Brad Friedel
Not sure about him though. He played for Blackburn, ffs.
> Jeff Gordon
Never heard of him.
> Venus Williams
> Serena Williams
> Monica Seles
They're not sportsmen.
> Michelle Wie
> Danica Patrick
Not globally famous. Sorry, who are they?
Joe Horowitz
"�~����u�~�" <sck...@lycos.com > wrote in message
news:a563b5h5ihfrn3oja...@4ax.com...
> Way too long to read, do you offer cliffnotes?
Not if you repost the entire thing just to add one line at the bottom, you
hopeless retard.
CJM
"Anthony Summers" <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Shaquille O'Neal
>
Who?
> Michael Jordan
>
Is he still alive? Meh, never like baseball anyway...
> Andre Agassi
>
Cool... decent bloke [sans mullet]
> Tiger Woods
>
Nuff said.
> Michael Phelps
>
> Brad Friedel
>
Unheard of, outside of the NW of the UK. Good keeper though...
Surprised you didn't mention Kasey Keller, Clint Dempsey or any other US
journeyman who ever earned a crust in the Premier League - not exactly world
famous though.
> Jeff Gordon
>
Who the fuck is Jeff Gordon? Is related to Hannah or Flash?
> Venus Williams
>
> Serena Williams
>
Poor little Caster Semenya gets aggro just because she's a hermaphrodite,
yet these two frauds roam untouched for going on 10 years.... Wouldn't have
been allowed in my day.
> Monica Seles
>
Ah, the Czech grunter...
> Michelle Wie
>
Virtually unheard of, even to keen golfers - and ironically, the only reason
anyone has heard of her is because of the unjustified hype the accompanied
her through puberty.
> Danica Patrick
>
Who? You are just making these up as you go along aren't you?
> A. Summers
Ah, now I've heard of him... Something to do with a donkey and some
Brylcreem wasn't it??
Anthony Summers
> Anthony Summers wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:38:24 -0000, Joe Horowitz wrote...
> >
> >> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
> >> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of American
> >> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten years.
> > Shaquille O'Neal
>
> Nope. Don't think so.
You're wrong.
> > Brad Friedel
>
> Who?
Put in the list as a joke. He's an American who has played many years
in the English Premier League as one of the best goalkeepers.
> > Jeff Gordon
>
> Who?
Riiiiiiight.
> > Michelle Wie
>
> Nope. Don't think so.
You're wrong.
> > Danica Patrick
>
> Nope. Don't think so.
You're very wrong.
CJM
>
> Seriously, lots of kids are in the pro-wresting chatroom.
>
Seriously? They're into wearing tights and fondling sweaty men... I think a
few cunting swear words are the least of their problem.
Now, Big Daddy was a proper wrestler... discuss.
Joe Horowitz
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:07:33 +0000 (UTC), Fevric J. Glandules wrote...
>> > Shaquille O'Neal
>> Nope. Don't think so.
> You're wrong.
Shaq was globally famous, but I'm not sure it was in the last ten years. I
might be wrong but it feels like longer ago. Never achieved Michael Jordan
fame outside of the US though.
>> > Brad Friedel
>> Who?
>
> Put in the list as a joke. He's an American who has played many years
> in the English Premier League as one of the best goalkeepers.
Not that it's entirely relevant, but he really was a damn fine keeper. I've
no idea why he never ended up at a bigger club. Brad Friedel rocked.
>> > Jeff Gordon
>> Who?
> Riiiiiiight.
He's right. Jeff Gordon isn't famous outside the US. Who is he?
>> > Michelle Wie
>> Nope. Don't think so.
> You're wrong.
He's not. No-one's ever heard of Michelle Wie. Who is she?
>> > Danica Patrick
>> Nope. Don't think so.
> You're very wrong.
Ditto. Who's Danica Patrick?
I'll give you Tiger Woods though, that was a shocking oversight on my part.
Global superstar. My defense is that it was late and I was drunk.
Joe Horowitz
"CJM" <cjmu...@gmail.removethis.com> wrote in message
news:7hejq1F...@mid.individual.net...
> Now, Big Daddy was a proper wrestler... discuss.
Yeah, him and Giant Haystacks.
Fevric J. Glandules
>> > Shaquille O'Neal
>>
>> Nope. Don't think so.
>
> You're wrong.
Global superstar? Don't think so.
>> > Jeff Gordon
>>
>> Who?
>
> Riiiiiiight.
Nope, doesn't ring a bell.
>> > Michelle Wie
>>
>> Nope. Don't think so.
>
> You're wrong.
Global superstar? Definitely not.
>> > Danica Patrick
>>
>> Nope. Don't think so.
>
> You're very wrong.
Global superstar? Definitely not.
Vicky Conlan
>> Put in the list as a joke. He's an American who has played many years
>> in the English Premier League as one of the best goalkeepers.
>Not that it's entirely relevant, but he really was a damn fine keeper. I've
>no idea why he never ended up at a bigger club. Brad Friedel rocked.
Yeah, you'd have thought he should have played for someone like Liverpool.
--
Joe Horowitz
"Vicky Conlan" <co...@riffraff.plig.net> wrote in message
news:h8tckt$31bg$1...@magenta.plig.net...
Heh. I did not know that. Even more amusing is that Sandra Westerveld kept
him out of the team.
Steve Firth
>
> Shaquille O'Neal
Who?
> Michael Jordan
Who?
> Andre Agassi
Who?
> Tiger Woods
Who?
> Michael Phelps
Who?
> Brad Friedel
Who?
> Jeff Gordon
Who?
> Venus Williams
Who?
> Serena Williams
Who?
> Monica Seles
Who? <google> Oh, the Hungarian.
> Michelle Wie
Who? <google> Oh, a Korean.
> Danica Patrick
Who the diddly do? <google> No, still don't know seems to have done
nothing.
Joe Baloney
wrote:
> The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
>
> > "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>
> >>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
> >>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
> >>> fame has?
>
> >> Is this a trick question?
>
> > You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>
> I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
> least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
Yeah didn't he play in some minor league team in LA?
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>> Seriously, lots of kids are in the pro-wresting chatroom.
>>
>
> Seriously?
Gravely might be more accurate.
> They're into wearing tights and fondling sweaty men... I think a few
> [redacted] swear words are the least of their problem.
There's nothing sexual about it. Their minds aren't in the
gutter like yours.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>> Unlike Association football, which regularly punts players into
>>> worldwide
>>> fame, I think the last American football player that people outside the
>>> USA had heard of was that Fridge chappie back in the 80s.
>>
>> This isn't a world wide popularity contest. Besides, the Fridge could
>> barely read, much less write a novel.
>
> I love when a 'soccerball is rubbish etc' thread gets crossposted to this
> froup. It's always nice, even after ten years of reading this argument,
> to
> see all the new angles and stuff to it. At least it would be, if anyone
> had
> any. Even the whole 'American Football is better because the players
> would
> be better at fighting' line someone used earlier is, I'm afraid, something
> of a cliche and it makes no more sense to me now than it did the first
> time
> I heard it. Just like the 'American Football is better because you need
> more expensive equipment to play it' line. Otherwise the best sport of
> all
> would be ninjas with gold-plated lasers or something although that would
> actually be quite good.
>
> I can't help feeling, though, that trying to assert that one sport is
> better
> than another is like trying to say, for example, brandy is better than
> whisky. If you only ever drank whisky, it would be hard to see how people
> could get so excited about brandy, which basically all tastes the same and
> is never that good, when the subtleties and complexities and variety of
> whisky on the market are so great'n'shit, but if you only ever drank
> brandy,
> you'd feel the same way about whisky. If you didn't like either, you'd
> like
> something else, like beer or cider or something which would be like
> athletics and... I dunno... maybe judo... and if you didn't drink any
> alcohol you'd be like one of these people who really just doesn't like
> sport
> at all and prefers painting... and, well I'm not really sure where I was
> going with this but some of you will be better people for having read it.
>
> America is a fantastic country that has given the world many great things
> and done much to advance the human species as a whole. Of that there is
> no
> doubt. America is also a bloody awful country that has given the world
> many
> stupid and harmful things and has done much to hinder the advance of the
> human species as a whole as well, probably in equal measure. Just depends
> how you define progress. When you're as big and dominant'n'shit as your
> country currently is, it's strengths and weaknesses are there for all the
> world to see. But however anyone feels about America, you guys are
> impossible to ignore.
>
> Fortunately, the same is not true of your sports, which for some reason
> the
> rest of the world seems entirely capable of ignoring to an extent which
> can
> be said for any other aspect of your society and culture. I don't know
> why
> this is, but for some reason growing up in the U.S. and A. gives you a
> totally different outlook on sport and what it should be like to if you
> grew
> up in almost any other country in the world, prosperous, impoverished,
> whatever.
>
> There are people who love your sports in this country, I've even been one
> of
> them myself at times, but no matter how much money is invested in
> promoting
> these sports outside of America, or on promoting soccer in America,
> they'll
> always only appeal to the minority in either case. Except in the parts
> that
> are mostly Mexican, obviously. I watched a lot of American Football
> around
> the time of the Fridge and his superbowl-winning antics, as many British
> people did, when American Football briefly became almost fashionable for a
> few years in the late eighties, used to stay up with my brother until
> stupid
> o'clock on a schoolnight, on special one-off dispensation from our mum, to
> watch the superbowl. Mind you, this was due to a period of disenchantment
> with 'soccer' brought on by the Maxwells fucking over the club I loved
> (long
> story). My brother went on to play your game at about as competitive level
> as you could in the country at the time, for his university. I got bored
> of
> it and went back to watching football, although true to my promise to
> myself
> I never set foot inside the Manor Ground again.. I've also been to Dodger
> Stadium a shitload of times over a period of about twelve years, watched
> Fernando Valenzuela pitch a shut-out in front of my eyes, he was amazing.
> He breathes through his eyelids, you know. Subsequently I'll always have
> a
> soft spot for baseball, and for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
>
> However, when it comes to sport, nothing hits the spot for me like
> football,
> and this is true for a majority of people of all different types all over
> the world, except in America. Again, I'm not entirely sure why that is
> but
> I do think it's interesting. If I could play an sport I'd play football,
> and always did until my left knee and right ankle became too teh ghey to
> hack it anymore in the last couple of years. And I earn a reasonable (as
> in
> 'quite small but adequate') salary so it's not like I couldn't afford to
> play something that requires more kit. And I'm also pretty bright, and I
> do
> also kind of love test cricket which is just about the most stupidly
> complicated and tactical sport there is, but frankly nothing can or ever
> will hit the spot like football. It's just great. To play, to watch,
> whatever. That's my thing. You're welcome to your thing.
>
> Cheers.
>
> ps. just in case you're interested, or anyone else is, and not in any way
> an attempt to prove or disprove anything you say, here's a list of
> American
> sportsmen that have been massively globally famous over the last ten
> years.
> Others are free to add to it as I'm sure I'll miss a few but not enough to
> disprove my central argument, which is that it's strange how nearly
> everything about your society has massive global influence except your
> sports, and that a more interesting argument might get to the bottom of
> why
> this is.
How much of your time did we get you to waste writing
all that?
--Tedward
Fevric J. Glandules
[David Beckham]
> Yeah didn't he play in some minor league team in LA?
Wikipedia tells me he plays for "Major League Soccer
club Los Angeles Galaxy and the England national team".
It also tells me that he was "Google's most searched of
all sports topics in both 2003 and 2004".
I don't think that's "a" global sports personality;
I think that's *the* global sports personality of 03/04.
Guy Namechanger
"The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
this is not a chatroom. this is a discussion board.
try to keep up.
DeadMangledPigeon
"Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
Any mention of Slag Spice in there?
Chagney Hunt
wrote:
> "Joe Horowitz" <my_n...@youblunder.co.youghey> wrote
I'm surprised that fine piece of satire went wasted on you, of all
people.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> How much of your time did we get you to waste writing
> all that?
<
<I'm surprised that fine piece of satire went wasted on you, of all
<people.
I have to confess I hadn't bothered to read it the first
time around.
--Tedward
NobbNutts
>
> You pulverized 'em, Eddy!!!
Lets not start sucking each other's cocks *just* yet. All Eddy did was
make a point that the world's chosen sport is affordable to virtually
everyone on the planet (a fair point), Sport A players are better
fighters than Sport B players (irrelevant, subjective, puerile), and
Sport B players are teh ghey (oh for fuck's sake . . )
Steve Terry
"DeadMangledPigeon" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:DNusm.205575$Qg6.1...@newsfe14.iad...
a sport, you only have to ask Peter Andre or whatever celb
she put in the frame for rape
Steve Terry
Fevric J. Glandules
> "Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>> Wikipedia tells me he plays for "Major League Soccer
>> club Los Angeles Galaxy and the England national team".
>>
>> It also tells me that he was "Google's most searched of
>> all sports topics in both 2003 and 2004".
>>
>> I don't think that's "a" global sports personality;
>> I think that's *the* global sports personality of 03/04.
>
> Any mention of Slag Spice in there?
In what, Wikipedia?
And which one is Slag Spice, anyway? Surely not the one that
is still married to the father of her three children, with
nary a whisper [1] of infidelity?
[1] ICBW; I read all sorts of crap, but not, by and large, the
gossip columns.
DeadMangledPigeon
"Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> Any mention of Slag Spice in there?
>
> In what, Wikipedia?
>
> And which one is Slag Spice, anyway? Surely not the one that
> is still married to the father of her three children, with
> nary a whisper [1] of infidelity?
Ah! I should have gone for the old gag: "Whatever you do, David - don't get
Old Spice on your dick"
nigel
You ARE talking about graeco-roman wrestling, aren't you? Very cheap
sport - absolutely no kit whatsoever.
�~����u�~�
<my_...@youblunder.co.youghey>wrote:
>
>"�~����u�~�" <sck...@lycos.com > wrote in message
>news:a563b5h5ihfrn3oja...@4ax.com...
>> Way too long to read, do you offer cliffnotes?
>
>Not if you repost the entire thing just to add one line at the bottom, you
>hopeless retard.
I am not hopeless
�~����u�~�
<my_...@youblunder.co.youghey>wrote:
>
>"CJM" <cjmu...@gmail.removethis.com> wrote in message
>news:7hejq1F...@mid.individual.net...
>> Now, Big Daddy was a proper wrestler... discuss.
>
>Yeah, him and Giant Haystacks.
Hulk Hogan is a Real American
�~����u�~�
<theodo...@gmail.com>wrote:
I know he's Tom Cruise's Scientology buddy
�~����u�~�
<f...@invalid.invalid>wrote:
>Joe Baloney wrote:
He plays soccer which explais why he's not very famous in America
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>> >> Pauli G wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> let's be honest here, has there been a universal soccer personality
>>> >>> that has transcended the sport like Tim Tebow of American football
>>> >>> fame has?
>>>
>>> >> Is this a trick question?
>>>
>>> > You obviously haven't spent any time with Tim Tebow.
>>>
>>> I haven't spent any time with David Beckham either, but at
>>> least I (and hundreds of millions of others) have heard of him.
>>
>>Yeah didn't he play in some minor league team in LA?
Beckham is seriously over-rated. In seven games in a crummy US
league, he scored a whopping one goal. If Tim Tebow played soccer
instead of football, the US would be gunning for a World Cup.
> I know he's Tom Cruise's Scientology buddy
Scientology? Is that the nonsense from Elron Hubbard?
--Tedward