Fixture Lists
Ian Hamilton
FA to remove the Sunderland fixture lists off their site, because of
"copyright" reasons.
They're running a petition at the mo: www.ready2go.net/fixtures
Sign it - or we'll never find out when the corporate money grabbing bastards
will stop.
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Dominic X
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> FA to remove the Sunderland fixture lists off their site, because of
> "copyright" reasons.
Its a fucking disgrace but its always been that way. Look in a paper like
the Guardian and they have a licence number next to results and fixtures
etc.
Ian Hamilton
> the Guardian and they have a licence number next to results and fixtures
> etc.
Aye, but the Prem's never started to give a damn about it until now.
Kinda weird, when you think that the FA's mission statement is about
promoting football worldwide - yet they're stopping supporters from doing
that!
Danny Cogdon
"Ian Hamilton" <mack...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Its a fucking disgrace but its always been that way. Look in a paper
like
> > the Guardian and they have a licence number next to results and fixtures
> > etc.
>
> Aye, but the Prem's never started to give a damn about it until now.
>
> Kinda weird, when you think that the FA's mission statement is about
> promoting football worldwide - yet they're stopping supporters from doing
> that!
My complaint is that I can tell anyone I want what our fixture list is
without any threat of litigation. So what is the difference between me doing
that (and, indeed, on Usenet) and a dedicated fan running a web-site doing
the same? It's ridiculous! Take the f*****s to court!
Danny.
andrew
Ian Hamilton wrote in message <9jpj0o$sq56$1...@ID-99089.news.dfncis.de>...
>I don't know if you've seen it or not, but Ready To Go have been told by
the
>FA to remove the Sunderland fixture lists off their site, because of
>"copyright" reasons.
>
>They're running a petition at the mo: www.ready2go.net/fixtures
>
>Sign it - or we'll never find out when the corporate money grabbing
bastards
>will stop.
>
RTG seem to have found a solution to the problem (:->
http://www.readytogo.net/news/1297.html
(ish).
As well as the petition - I think I may print myself a t-shirt with the
fixtures on it.
Ian Hamilton
So I'll just say that they're on www.OneSunderland.com for my own personal
use - and it's not my fault if other people want to view them too!
andrew
Danny Cogdon wrote in message <9jptsb$7qj$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
probably need a fighting fund well into 6 figures. As the FA (at least we
know what it REALLY stands for now) well know, there's not a cat in hell's
chance.
andrew
Dominic X wrote in message ...
The hing is, the FA - apparently - have refused to provide licences in
thepast as they are 'only for clubs and accredited / official reporters. If
this is the case, - then as well as being nonsense due to the fact the
information is in thepublic domain, and therefore should be freely quotable
as long as it's attributed - we have to be talking a clear restraing of
trade and abuse of monopoly power.
What next - JK Galbraith charging students £250 a year for the right to
quote from his work in their essays and exams?
IMHO, this is purely and simply power crazed bully boy tactics - targeting
those who cannot even afford to WIN the case (which they surely would) with
the threat of court action. It's very like what Maxwell, Aitkin and Archer
did / do with the libel laws. And it's just as disgusting as .far as I'm
concerned
Danny Cogdon
<andrew> wrote in message
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> The FA have a bit more money than RTG. In order to win the case they'd
> probably need a fighting fund well into 6 figures. As the FA (at least we
> know what it REALLY stands for now) well know, there's not a cat in hell's
> chance.
I'm not sure it would be in court long enough for RTG to have to top-up the
parking meter outside. The logical conclusion to the FA argument is that
anyone, in a pub for example, who answers the question "Who are we playing
this week?" is liable for breach of copyright. Once the FA have placed the
information in the public domain they have no legal right of ownership. They
can copyright a logo or trademark certainly but a fixture list? I don't
think they have a leg to stand on.
Cue Copyright 2000 :-) Or is it 2001 now?
Danny.
Dominic X
Danny Cogdon <da...@dcogdon.safc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure it would be in court long enough for RTG to have to top-up
the
> parking meter outside. The logical conclusion to the FA argument is that
> anyone, in a pub for example, who answers the question "Who are we playing
> this week?" is liable for breach of copyright. Once the FA have placed the
> information in the public domain they have no legal right of ownership.
They
> can copyright a logo or trademark certainly but a fixture list? I don't
> think they have a leg to stand on.
>
> Cue Copyright 2000 :-) Or is it 2001 now?
>
> Danny.
Obviously it would though. If what you are saying is the case then
newspapers would not have to have special licences to reproduce fixture
lists, results and league tables.
andrew
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Danny Cogdon <da...@dcogdon.safc.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
The amount of time lawyers can spend arguing about nowt with other lawyers
can mean the most straightforward thing in the world to the layman can take
forever. The Homo legalis principle is one of the most bizzare practical
jokes ever played by man.
Danny Cogdon
<andrew> wrote in message
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> The amount of time lawyers can spend arguing about nowt with other lawyers
> can mean the most straightforward thing in the world to the layman can
take
> forever. The Homo legalis principle is one of the most bizzare practical
> jokes ever played by man
Tell me! It took 5 months for me to buy a one bedroom flat in London!
Bloody lawyers!!!
Danny.
andrew
--
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revolution - I suspect that I am not the only one who regards theis as less
credible than Tara Palmer-Thompkinson leading a Stalinist putsch
Danny Cogdon <da...@dcogdon.safc.co.uk> wrote in message
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I've got far too many of htem in my family. And far too many acquaintances
(well - you can never really call a lawyer a mate) who are lawyers. Scarily
enough I did a bit of law (subsid first, year) myself. I was told a few
times by people I knew that I should move to Law. I don't think I've even
been as offended since.
Danny Cogdon
<andrew> wrote in message
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> I've got far too many of htem in my family. And far too many
acquaintances
> (well - you can never really call a lawyer a mate) who are lawyers.
Scarily
> enough I did a bit of law (subsid first, year) myself. I was told a few
> times by people I knew that I should move to Law. I don't think I've even
> been as offended since.
Of all the solicitors in London, I picked one who supports the Skunks!!!
Danny.
atg
Dock', is that the FA decided in the 30's that they were envious of the huge
profits made by pools companies from football betting, but that they
couldn't bring themselves to accept gambling money. Their original idea, to
withhold fixtures until 2 days before the matches were due to be played to
stop pools completely, caused predictable chaos, and so copyrighting of
fixtures was introduced as a compromise, for which they could charge a fee.
Unfortunately, as in so many other areas of English law, a law framed for a
specific purpose often has ridiculous repercussions elsewhere, such as this.
However, if permission had been sought I can't see there would have been a
problem, especially for a non profit making purpose. The London Branch's
excellent newsletter reproduces them every year with the copyright mark, as
far as I am aware free of charge.
Andy
"Dominic X" <dominic.sut...@ntlworld.commmmmm> wrote in message
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andrew
--
I understand that William Hague is claiming to lead a commonsense
revolution - I suspect that I am not the only one who regards theis as less
credible than Tara Palmer-Thompkinson leading a Stalinist putsch
Danny Cogdon <da...@dcogdon.safc.co.uk> wrote in message
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Probably admires the pocket picking contempt with which they treat their
'clients'
Danny Cogdon
<andrew> wrote in message
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> Probably admires the pocket picking contempt with which they treat their
> 'clients'
He did try to charge me twice for the Local Search and then blamed his
secretary.
Danny.
andrew
Danny Cogdon <da...@dcogdon.safc.co.uk> wrote in message
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My god - he could almost be a Consultant. I seem to remember that the
solicitor that the Labour Club used went down for fraud. Which bearing in
mind the bill we got for the effect it had did not surprise me. I'm still
buggered if I can work out what happened when we tried to get the bill
taxed.
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of life is its coerciveness; it is always urgent, "here and now," without
any
possible postponement. Life is fired at us point blank.
Danny Cogdon
<andrew> wrote in message
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> My god - he could almost be a Consultant. I seem to remember that the
> solicitor that the Labour Club used went down for fraud. Which bearing in
> mind the bill we got for the effect it had did not surprise me. I'm still
> buggered if I can work out what happened when we tried to get the bill
> taxed.
An irate duck?
> We cannot put off living until we are ready. The most salient
characteristic
> of life is its coerciveness; it is always urgent, "here and now," without
> any
> possible postponement. Life is fired at us point blank.
Duck!
Danny.
andrew
>
> <andrew> wrote in message
> news:996977696.16793.1...@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> > My god - he could almost be a Consultant. I seem to remember that the
> > solicitor that the Labour Club used went down for fraud. Which bearing
in
> > mind the bill we got for the effect it had did not surprise me. I'm
still
> > buggered if I can work out what happened when we tried to get the bill
> > taxed.
>
> An irate duck?
the first place apparently told him to 'spin it out'. Someone told a lawyer
that. Jesus - he must have skipped his next meeting to buy a Porsche.