"Andy" <ausm1dontspa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Could your reason for thinking BL was a better player be because
> you'rea da danish gers fan? You're hardly the epitome of fair
> mindedness.
That stutter not getting any better then, Andy?
Poor attempt at a troll. They played in different eras. Laudrup was
technically superior in his time, but TFOD were caiught out in Europe - when
you shut down Laudrup and Gascoigne they were fuck all. Most Scottish teasm
of the day weren't good enough to do that.
I'll see ye, and I'll raise ye. Larssson and Moravcik were a far better
double thean TFOD have ever had to offer - mainly because they weren't a
"doublee" per se but two individually talented football players.
Ideally I'd have both in my team, but if I had to choose I'd take Larsson.
Sure, Laudo was brilliant and he turned many, many games for us but he could
also disappear from games and he regularly failed to perform for us in
European competition. Larsson is a great goal scorer, but also a great
creator of goals, he holds the ball well and he has superb vision. Apart
from that he never stops working for the team, he's a strong leader and he
is technically excellent. He can tackle, he can pass, he spots openings
before anyone else does and he dives better than laudrup ever did.
Laudrup had excellent vision, and was second only to Gascoigne is his
ability to make the right pass at the right time and his runs were
excellent - he made more goals than Larsson, sure - but that was his job. To
be honest, Jan, Laudrup *would* make it into my All Time Rangers XI but he'd
be 6th or 7th choice.
You're probably not going to believe me anyway but I am generally not a
great fan of the current Danish players. I would even say that the greatest
talent in Scandinavia at the moment is a Swede, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, but I
still think Laudrup was a lot better than Larsson and so do most experts -
outside Scotland and Sweden. Larsson will hardly go into the history of
World football as one of the all time greats.
>
> BTW, you might want to check your facts. Brian McClair scored a LOT f
> goals for man Utd, including nearly 40 in his first season.
Well, 31 goals is not exactly "nearly 40" but I am not going to deny that
McClair had some good seasons at Manchester United.
http://hjem.get2net.dk/mufc/squad/13.htm
Now, if you are going to compare Moravcik with Laudrup... Moravick couldn't
get a game at modest MSV Duisburg
http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/?Zeige=Spieler&Spieler=2487 and the only
reason he could sign for Celtic was that they had a Czech manager at the
time. Surely, you have to admit that Moravcik would not have done so well in
any other league than the Scottish Premier Division.
>>
>Ok, mildly drunk whilst posting, but nonetheless....
>Laudrup was a stunning talent, the likes of which I doubt Scotland will
ever
>see again...
>Larsson is undeniably a quality striker, but one who's on bad form right
now
>so it makes it difficult to judge....
I wish we had a striker who scored 4 goals in a game when he was on bad form
;-)
Daz
This is the same laudrop that couldnt get a game in italy then? Or do we look
at more that just playing in one country.
<snip> He can tackle, he can pass,
....he can take it up the a**e, Larssssssonnnn, Larssssssssonnnnn
Sing it a couple of times, it works!
Daz
Are you seriously comparing AC Milan with MSV Duisburg?
Or Chelsea. Moravcic had over 70 caps for Czechoslovakia. He didn't paly at
Duisburg due to a dispute with the management at the time, nothing to do
with ability. I am grateful that it led to him spending a few years at
Parkhead as he was one of the most skilful players I have ever seen. His
performance against Juventus in the Champions League last year was
outstanding, particularly for a player of 36.
BTW, you slag off the Premier League constantly, how many Danish sides have
won Europen trophies or even reached a European final? Would it be less than
one?
> Ideally I'd have both in my team, but if I had to choose I'd take Larsson.
> Sure, Laudo was brilliant and he turned many, many games for us but he
could
> also disappear from games and he regularly failed to perform for us in
> European competition. Larsson is a great goal scorer, but also a great
> creator of goals, he holds the ball well and he has superb vision. Apart
> from that he never stops working for the team, he's a strong leader and he
> is technically excellent. He can tackle, he can pass, he spots openings
> before anyone else does and he dives better than laudrup ever did.
>
> Laudrup had excellent vision, and was second only to Gascoigne is his
> ability to make the right pass at the right time and his runs were
> excellent - he made more goals than Larsson, sure - but that was his job.
To
> be honest, Jan, Laudrup *would* make it into my All Time Rangers XI but
he'd
> be 6th or 7th choice.
Who are you and what have you done with the real Liszt? ;-)
And how many goals did McClair score for Scotland?
>
> Which reminds me, how did Laudrup do in the Premiership? I know he
> scored the winner for Chelsea v Copenhagan. Did he go on to have a
> full and successful career at Chelsea, or did he in fact move to a
> weak league, because he couldn't handle the pressure?
Couldn't handle the pressure? Laudrup played and was succesful with Bayern
Munich and AC Fiorentina as well as being one of the best players in Euro
'92 and in the '98 World Cup and if you have played in an Italian madhouse,
surely London won't be a shock for you. The fact of the matter is that
Laudrup was homesick which was why he accepted a 90% pay cut to return to
Denmark.
>>> Could your reason for thinking BL was a better player be because
>>> you'rea da danish gers fan? You're hardly the epitome of fair
>>> mindedness.
>>
>>That stutter not getting any better then, Andy?
>
>Typo flames, the zenith of human acheivement.
Lighten up Andy, it *was* qu quite fu funny....
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Birdiñho
Carpe Diem.
>Or Chelsea. Moravcic had over 70 caps for Czechoslovakia.
But you just told us the Czechs are muppets..... even worse, what does that make the
Slovaks???
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Birdiñho
Carpe Diem.
I am not going to deny that Denmark has never had and never will have teams
as strong as Rangers and Celtic (and Aberdeen in the eighties) but apart
from that...
Mind you, Scotland were recently humiliated in a friendly against Denmark. I
must say I have rarely seen a weaker side than Scotland on that day but of
course I did'nt get the chance to see them play the mighty Faroe Islands.
Where?
Football is a game of cycles. Scottish football has reached a low ebb while
Denmark is on a high. Who knows what it will be like in ten years? (Scotland
ranked 216 and Denmark 7th probably).
great players both ,but neither could handle a candle to Pearce O leary !
Ross
afc
Pish. He couldnae lace Owen Archdeacon's boots.
--
Ronnie the Tim
>Couldn't handle the pressure? Laudrup played and was succesful with Bayern
>Munich
No he wasn't, he played two seasons with them, finishing 2nd, then
10th in the league, and winning nothing. He played in what was
probably one of the worst Munich teams in memory. So succesful was he
that he spent most of the second season on the bench and made just 11
appearances.
>and AC Fiorentina
If you define being succesful with them as helping to get them
relegated from Seria A, then you are indeed spot on.
>as well as being one of the best players in Euro
>'92
Yeh he had a good tournament
>and in the '98 World Cup
But he certainly wasn't one of the best players in '98
Brian Laudrup damaged his knee ligaments in August '91 and was out of action
for more than six months. Before that he had played a fantastic first
season, scoring 9 goals in 33 apperances. He can't have been that bad in his
second season (in which he made 20 and not 11 appearances) either because he
was already in top form at the start of Euro 92. By the way, Bayern Munich
had paid 6 Million Marks for him and sold him for almost double that figure.
Just to round it off, German football magazine Kicker had an interview with
Laudrup a few months ago. He was introduced as follows: "One of the
technically most gifted players ever to play in the Bundesliga"!
>
> >and AC Fiorentina
>
> If you define being succesful with them as helping to get them
> relegated from Seria A, then you are indeed spot on.
Laudrup personally had a good season which was why he was eventually signed
by AC Milan.
> >as well as being one of the best players in Euro
> >'92
>
> Yeh he had a good tournament
>
> >and in the '98 World Cup
>
> But he certainly wasn't one of the best players in '98
Oh, and who was better? Zidane only played well in the final and we all know
about Ronaldo. Maybe Laudrup wasn't THE best but certainly one of the best.
Finally: Laudrup had opportunities to sign for Barcelona and Manchester
United in his career and he actually played for Bayern Munich, AC Milan and
Rangers of course. Not bad I'd say...
--
Jason Connon
"Jan Christensen" <jan...@wanadoo.dk> wrote in message
news:amdgsi$1aie$1...@jarjarbinks.mobilixnet.dk...
> I would like to hear your opinion on who is better: Brian Laudrup or
Henrik
> Larsson.
> I read again and again that Henrik Larsson is world class and the best
> foreigner who has ever played in Scotland. But surely Brian Laudrup is
light
> years ahead of Larsson, I mean even comparing them is an insult.
Technically
> Laudrup was hugely superior to anyone who has ever played in Scotland.
Lubo?
Larsson I'll give you, but what the fuck did Moravcik ever actually do? Some
nice touches, etc etc, but some hard evidence, goal & assist stats, etc will
do.....
The most over rated player in the history of football, and only by Celtic
fans. Exactly *what* did "Lubo" (snigger), do for Celtic?
He *was* on bad form - and I didn't know about the Sodova result when I
posted.
Who in turn was nowhere near the quality of Crawford Baptie.
So you think he's on a hot streak? You'd rather have him on this form than
the form of the past 2 or 3 seasons?
I don't need to prove anything because anyone outside Glasgow and Sweden
knows that Brian Laudrup was much, much better than Larsson. And of course I
only say this because I am Danish - that's why I also consider Erik Bo
Andersen the most skilful player ever to play for Rangers... But then again
he is from my home town...
Just for the record, I am writing from my mother's computer therefore the
name change.
Plenty, I partcularly enjoyed the game where he scored two goals at Ibrox in
a 3-0 win not that long ago.
He lives in my mum and dad's street.
Anyone want an autograph?
Did Mummy tell you that Brian was a really really good footballer? ;-)
Ah, there was something you could use... Very innovative I must say.
As you don't pay much attention to my facts (even when they clearly show you
are wrong!) I won't bother you any more. Let's just agree that Henrik
Larsson is better than Brian Laudrup (at tongue-stretching that is).
Quite frankly, I don't think you have a clue about football. Anyone could
see that Laudrup with his fantastic technique, elegance, vision and
unselfishness was a very, very special player, whereas Larsson is just a
very good striker but by no means a genius. Furthermore he has only been
able to play really well at Celtic. At Feyenoord he sometimes wasn't even in
the team (which you of course don't know). Finally, as I have said before I
don't say this because I'm Danish. I repeat: for me, Swedish international
Zlatan Ibrahimovic is the greatest talent in Scandinavia whereas we don't
have his equal in Denmark at the moment.
His bad form consisted of 2 games without a goal. That's not bad form if you
ask me, that's a mere blip. In less than a quarter of the season he has
already scored 9 goals.
I wouldn't expect a response. Marco's latest tactic seems to be to post
shite, have people show your argument up as being complete shite, ignore
them, then a few weeks later, post the same shite again.
Nah, I've never even heard of your mum & dad.
Now, If i were to claim Zinedine Zidane is better than Luis Figo, does that
mean I hate the Portuguese? Well in your world it does.
Then you say again and again that I should bring up facts for my claim that
Laudrup is better than Larsson. I hope you do know that this is a losing
game for you because it is simply not possible to claim the opposite.
Laudrup was voted the second best player in Euro '92, he was fifth in FIFA's
World Player Of The Year '92, he has played for Bayern Munich and AC Milan
(where he won the Scudetto) and he's had offers from virtually every big
club in Europe (I am repeating myself but you don't seem to get it)
including Manchester United and Barcelona. Then of course he has been
"Denmark's Footballer Of The Year" 4 (!) times, as well as being named
Player Of The Year in Scotland three times - once by his fellow
professionals and twice by the Scottish Football Writers Association. I
suspect these aren't facts either - you only hear what you want to hear...
But football is not only abouts statistics or your beloved facts it's also
about technique, elegance, vision etc. and the only aspect of the game in
which Larsson is superior to Laudrup is the goal scoring. You will of course
claim that is what football is all about but if it was that simple Zidane or
Figo wouldn't have been voted World Player Of The Year.
<snip>
Will you learn to snip please ya ignorant fuckwit?
--
stuart graham
'Well Worth Saving
> What was the matter, did I cause an apoplexy, and you couldn't control
> your fingers?
So he accidentally clicked the 'send' button ? Who cares ?
> Let me know if there were any "facts" in the above (but I'll wait till
> you finished watching your "movie"). I expect it will be more closet
> swede bashing.
Why don't you just give up, Andy ? Jan clearly knows a bit more about the
career of Brian Laudrup than anyone else around here (and Henrik Larsson by
the sounds of it) and has done a pretty good job of dispelling the 'Brian
Laudrup was only good in Scotland myth.'
It's obviously impossible to produce 'facts' (which you insist on demanding)
which prove one player is better than another. There is no way I could prove
that Roy Keane is a better player than, say, Neil Lennon. But it's a pretty
fair assumption.
>On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:10:33 +0100, stuart graham
><stu...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:01:41 +0100, Andy
>><ausm1dontspa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Will you learn to snip please ya ignorant fuckwit?
>
>So I forget to snip sometimes. Even you do that
I i sometimes do but not to the fuckwitted 250 odd lines for 6 in
reply order that you managed.
>. I think your tone is
>a bit out of order.
I dont, i think you need to look at your posting style.
>
>Time of the month I guess.
Oooo that hurts....
>Michael Owen
>David Beckahm - Aston Villa (offered 500k for him in his first full
>season).
>Paul Scholes
>Roy Keane
>Sami Hyppia.
>
>Those are just a few players, eaxch of whom is a far greater player
>than BL ever was.
Interesting claim. Care to back it up?
><snip>
>
>Will you learn to snip please ya ignorant fuckwit?
Amen to that.....
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Birdiñho
Carpe Diem.
I know...I've suffered from PMT for nearly 20 years.
Angof
I think it's bollox.
Quite frankly, on their days, Larsson and Laudrup could both be far better
than Owen and Scholes.
You certainly can't compare either with Keane and Hyppia seeing as they are
very different types of player - apples and oranges.
As for Beckham, well when he puts in a good shift he's as good as anyone in
the world...