Soccer bigots a national disgrace
Fin
praised for their sense of fun, and their spirit of sporting fairness. Those
qualities have won them a high reputation abroad as supporters whose pride
in the game is matched by pride in their country. They are fine ambassadors
for the sport and for Ireland. And they set a standard of behaviour that
other countries would like to see supporters of their own national teams
emulate.
So why not maintain those same high standards at home, one might well ask.
Many, either at Lansdowne Road last Wednesday night for the European cup
game between Ireland and Georgia, or who watched the match on television,
have since asked that question.
The cause for public concern was the reaction from sections of the crowd to
one Georgian player, Shota Arveladze. When not playing for his country, he
plays for his club, Glasgow Rangers. That latter association, it seems,
proved too much for some to tolerate last Wednesday. So every time Arveladze
touched the ball, he was booed by sections of the crowd; and not because he
is a Georgian, but simply because he happens to play for Glasgow Rangers.
Such a display of boorish intolerance, is not, unfortunately, an isolated
occurrence in Irish soccer. Some weeks ago a similar incident occurred
during a friendly international match between Ireland and Norway. There the
player, Tore Andre Flo, received the same hostile treatment as Arveladze. He
too was booed, and verbally abused by sections of the crowd. The Norwegian
was not, however, a Glasgow Rangers player. In fact, he plays for
Sunderland, but he had once played for the Scottish team.
Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic are soccer clubs whose origins reflect
the sectarian divisions within Northern Ireland. Some of their supporters,
however, seek to perpetuate those divisions abroad, and so they channel the
destructive energies of sectarianism into sport. In doing so, they maintain
the integrity of an old historical quarrel, and just when those old
divisions are narrowing in the North, with the implementation of the Good
Friday Agreement.
Such supporters are bigots, a blight on the game, and a disgrace to their
clubs. And, given the signs at soccer international matches here of similar
displays of intolerance from sections of the crowd, this is a matter of
broader public concern. The very positive image and broad public appeal that
Irish soccer and the national team have built up over many years, could be
badly damaged as a consequence.
If Irish soccer supporters contract the Celtic strain of the Glasgow
sporting virus, bigotry and intolerance, then the national team will be the
loser. It will forfeit its broad sporting appeal to the public, national
pride expressed in the form of sectarian prejudice is, quite simply,
unacceptable. It should not be tolerated. And those who boo and verbally
abuse all present and past Glasgow Rangers players who may be playing for
their country at Lansdowne Road are merely sowing the seeds for future acts
of greater intolerance.
How can the contagious virus of sectarianism in sport be contained before it
spreads, and before it does more serious damage? For a start the silent
majority at soccer internationals who acquiesce in such behaviour could
register their disapproval.
Certainly the Irish supporters of a foreign team, Glasgow Celtic, should not
carry their club prejudices and their bigotry with them when they come to
support the national side. By doing so they disgrace the game and the
country, and they risk destroying what Irish soccer supporters have built up
over many years, an international reputation for good behaviour, for
tolerance and for fair play.
Irish soccer has no place for sectarian bigots, either on the field or on
the terraces. At a time when racism is emerging as a serious problem in
world soccer, the mindless sectarianism of some fans at home international
matches needs to be checked before it becomes a more sinister and serious
sporting problem.
sme
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You write that yourself fin? ;-)
Have to laugh at how fans who boo the opposition are now bigots and
sectarian. So what if you boo a player that plays for your club team
rivals? I bet there aren't many fans on here thaqt haven't booed an
opposition player at some point, for whatever reason.
As someone else said, it's not the first time that Shota Averladze has
been booed in Ireland, and not the first time he's been booed by the
opposition, but that time *was* because he was a catholic (and he blessed
himself or something).
i know i've bitten but i thought i would reply before i go out to watch
my pals band Kamblu play in King Tuts at 9. (just incase anyone is stuck
for something to do tonight) ;o)
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ZB
What a load of bollocks. When a former Arsenal player plays again Spurs or a
former Utd player plays against Man City, are the supporters who boo him
bigots? As sme says, I presume you wrote that yourself.
Fin
"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No, don't have time to type out a post that size, it was forwarded to me,
and was supposedly in an Irish Newspaper, I'll try finding out which one.
Oh, and Arsenal - Spurs are a completely different rivalry to Rangers -
Celtic and you know it.
Fin
Donnix
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elsewhere.
Start with racist chants add sectarian singing and work down from there.
Donnix.
Scott
>
>"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> <snip>
>>
>> What a load of bollocks. When a former Arsenal player plays again Spurs or
>a
>> former Utd player plays against Man City, are the supporters who boo him
>> bigots? As sme says, I presume you wrote that yourself.
>>
>>
>
>No, don't have time to type out a post that size, it was forwarded to me,
>and was supposedly in an Irish Newspaper, I'll try finding out which one.
>
When posting someone else's 'work' it would polite (to say the least)
to acknowledge the source.
>Oh, and Arsenal - Spurs are a completely different rivalry to Rangers -
>Celtic and you know it.
>
Acutally, the rivalry between Spurs and Arsenal does have some of its
roots based on religeous viewpoints.
Scott.
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Jerseypete
How many times has this got to be covered, What happens in Ireland has gor
%$£ all to do with us. The Lennon question has been sufficiently answered.
Now drop it.
PW
Fin
"Scott" <sco...@nospameasynet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <bcica0$joml6$1...@ID-186569.news.dfncis.de>, "Fin"
<Blu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:bcic1a$jcifs$1...@ID-66527.news.dfncis.de...
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> What a load of bollocks. When a former Arsenal player plays again Spurs
or
> >a
> >> former Utd player plays against Man City, are the supporters who boo
him
> >> bigots? As sme says, I presume you wrote that yourself.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, don't have time to type out a post that size, it was forwarded to me,
> >and was supposedly in an Irish Newspaper, I'll try finding out which one.
> >
>
> When posting someone else's 'work' it would polite (to say the least)
> to acknowledge the source.
>
I have no idea who the source is, just said from an Irish Newspaper.
> >Oh, and Arsenal - Spurs are a completely different rivalry to Rangers -
> >Celtic and you know it.
> >
>
> Acutally, the rivalry between Spurs and Arsenal does have some of its
> roots based on religeous viewpoints.
>
Not quite as intense as the Old Firm.
Fin
Scott
>
>"Scott" <sco...@nospameasynet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In article <bcica0$joml6$1...@ID-186569.news.dfncis.de>, "Fin"
><Blu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bcic1a$jcifs$1...@ID-66527.news.dfncis.de...
<snip>
>> to acknowledge the source.
>>
>
>I have no idea who the source is, just said from an Irish Newspaper.
>
>> >Oh, and Arsenal - Spurs are a completely different rivalry to Rangers -
>> >Celtic and you know it.
>> >
>>
>> Acutally, the rivalry between Spurs and Arsenal does have some of its
>> roots based on religeous viewpoints.
>>
>
>Not quite as intense as the Old Firm.
>
Jim
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out..
ZB
So what, you don't seem to have a problem with a website promoting songs
which glorify terrorists, why do you have to post a nonsensical article
which questions basic football rivalries. Without rivalry, football is
nothing. I haven't got a problem if people boo players on another team, it's
part of the game. If they start shouting orange bastard or fenien bastard,
that's another story.
Grant
<all snipped>
Maybe they just booed him cos he looks creepy like the little thing out of Lord
of the Rings.
Grant
Jason Connon
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> Did Spurs fans not burn and hang a dummy Sol Campbell?
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Donnix
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fans) have made efforts to discourage people * like* you Jim. Still
supporting BNP ?
Donnix.
Archangel
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Honestly I have never read as much shite in ages. The Ireland fans have a
connection with Celtic- Fact. Adverladze plays for Rangers- Fact. that is
why they booed him. So fucking what. Didn't hear Joos crying when he was
booed playing for Belgium against Scotland.I have also heard Scotland
supporters booing Scotland players! Get a life and stop dragging up the same
shite time and time again.
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about them,
And Did I ever say I did? :-)
Ross
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>
> "Grant" <grm...@aol.comnthhoops> wrote in message
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> > Fin;
> >
> > <all snipped>
> supporters booing Scotland players!
thats not booing thats frustration(copyright ZB)
Ross
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Fin
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No Idea Jason, but does that make there rivalry more intense than ours?
Fin
Fin
ZB, calm down, I'm entitled to my opinions as you are yours, if I think a
site that has a locked part is fine then that's my opinion.
The story was put up as I had seen an argument running on Adverladze the
article was along the same lines, I thought it may contribute to the group
in the way of discussion it has, so what's the problem? its football related
and related to the Old Firm.
Fin
ZB
I'm totally calm. You should listen to yer dad more often ;-)
> The story was put up as I had seen an argument running on Adverladze the
> article was along the same lines, I thought it may contribute to the group
> in the way of discussion it has, so what's the problem? its football
related
> and related to the Old Firm.
It is related, but as a few people have pointed out, the article was a lot
of shite. There's no problem posting something in entirity, but it would
make for more intersting discussion if you commented on it yourself.
Otherwise, chcnge your name to CD2 Online ;-)
sme
uk.sport.football.clubs.celtic. Here it is...
>
But there's the problem there. "...related to the Old Firm..". I stopped
buying papers after the "Rangers fan shot in Belfast" thing a few months
ago. If the press can put a Celtic or Rangers slant on something they
will, purely because they know that most Scottish football fans are
interested in the Old Firm. Rangers fan shot sounds more interesting than
UDA memeber shot to football fans. Rangers player Averladze booed in
Ireland is obviously going to attract more attention than Georgian player
gets booed by opposition fans. Anything to keep the bigotry and hatred
looks like the papers agenda.
And as far as the Spurs - Arsenal thing. What does it matter how intense
things are between teams? The point is that teams boo players that have
played for their rivals or have played for them and left to join their
rivals. As ZB says, rivally is what keeps football interesting. Imagine
if it became just a big day out for the family.
John E
> In doing so, they maintain
> the integrity of an old historical quarrel, and just when those old
> divisions are narrowing in the North, with the implementation of the Good
> Friday Agreement.
... the writer could be talking about Orange Walks there....
Fin
Yes, the old listen to your Dad, we've been down this road before, we are on
a few of the same lists. its the reason I called myself Fin, made an arse of
it though when I called myself Andy.
> > The story was put up as I had seen an argument running on Adverladze the
> > article was along the same lines, I thought it may contribute to the
group
> > in the way of discussion it has, so what's the problem? its football
> related
> > and related to the Old Firm.
>
> It is related, but as a few people have pointed out, the article was a lot
> of shite. There's no problem posting something in entirity, but it would
> make for more intersting discussion if you commented on it yourself.
> Otherwise, chcnge your name to CD2 Online ;-)
>
LOL, why comment on it if you thought it was shite? I thought it was
interesting, and since a debate had been going on Adverladze it was put up
for all to read :-)))
Fin
Fin
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No Dad, please don't take me to the football? ;-)
Fin
Fin
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<bite>
Just aswell we have the full article then.
Fin
sme
uk.sport.football.clubs.celtic. Here it is...
>> But there's the problem there. "...related to the Old Firm..". I
>> stopped buying papers after the "Rangers fan shot in Belfast" thing a
>> few months ago. If the press can put a Celtic or Rangers slant on
>> something they will, purely because they know that most Scottish
>> football fans are interested in the Old Firm. Rangers fan shot sounds
>> more interesting than UDA memeber shot to football fans. Rangers
>> player Averladze booed in Ireland is obviously going to attract more
>> attention than Georgian player gets booed by opposition fans.
>> Anything to keep the bigotry and hatred looks like the papers agenda.
>>
>> And as far as the Spurs - Arsenal thing. What does it matter how
>> intense things are between teams? The point is that teams boo players
>> that have played for their rivals or have played for them and left to
>> join their rivals. As ZB says, rivally is what keeps football
>> interesting. Imagine if it became just a big day out for the family.
>>
>
> No Dad, please don't take me to the football? ;-)
lol. Surely you don't think Rangers are that bad Fin? You've just won a
treble!! ;o)
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Fin
Article was from the Sunday Independent...
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?a=44&si=993040&issue_id=
9347
Sorry for not posting up the source at the time but as I said it was sent to
me without the source included.
Fin
sme
uk.sport.football.clubs.celtic. Here it is...
>
> "Fin" <Blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Soccer bigots a national disgrace IRISH soccer fans have been rightly
>
> Article was from the Sunday Independent...
>
> http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?a=44&si=993040&issu
> e_id= 9347
>
> Sorry for not posting up the source at the time but as I said it was
> sent to me without the source included.
I think that it was Skippy that raised the point about it not making the
news here though. It obviously was news in Ireland but personally i don't
think a Rangers player playing for his country, getting booed by
opposition fans, which would probably have Celtic fans in the support, is
very news worthy.
I still don't see how the column can claim that booing an opposition
player can be construed (haven't a clue what it means but it sounds as
though it should be in there!) as being bigotted and sectarian??
<ranting> We are taught to boo from when we were kids going to the Panto
and the bad guy comes on stage. Its not coz we hate the guy, or coz he's
from another Panto. Its what you do. The majority of the fans watching
the Georgia game would have been there to support their own team, not a
club team that wasn't playing. They wouldn't have been thinking "That
Georgian guy that plays for Rangers will be there, c'mon we'll go boo him
all night". To them Georgia represented the bad guy, the team that wanted
to beat their team so it is perfectly normal for the opposition to boo
him, especially if he is having a good game! The fact of the matter is
that it is neither bigotted or sectarian to boo a footballer, although
your article claims both, so it sort of puts it in the same position as
yourself. Trolling for responses!! Well you got a few. :o) </ranting>
Archangel
We saw them as a team who cheated at every opportunity by diving and
involving the ref, time wasting etc etc. Had Porto played like we all know
they can, they would have got a more friendly reception.
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Ross
"Archangel" <Archangel@paradise_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>
> got a few. :o) </ranting>
> >
> The same reason that Porto got booed when they went up to lift the uefa
cup.
> We saw them as a team who cheated at every opportunity by diving and
> involving the ref, time wasting etc etc.
all things that Celtic like other clubs have indulged in on a regular basis,
the hypocrisy of you lot at times is laughable.
Ross
afc
sme
uk.sport.football.clubs.celtic. Here it is...
>
Do you take turns in which Old Firm team to focus all your hatred on
Ross? No-one is saying Celtic haven't time-wasted (Broto got booked for
it in the last Old Firm game and it was stupid and deserved), players
going down easily and also players moaning to the ref. We would expect
our players to get booed or slaughtered for it if they are doing it. But
why can we not have a go at other teams when they do it? Is there a rule
saying you can't criticise a team for doing something if your team have
done the same thing?? Where was all the criticism of Duffy after he
claimed Rangers were awarded a dodgy free kick that won them the Scottish
Cup?
The point of the thread was Averladze being booed by Irish fans is
neither bigotted or sectarian. Its part of football, which is why i think
Archie was refering to the Celtic fans booing Porto for the carry on in
Seville. They cheated (insofar as timewasting is a bookable offence) so
why shouldn't the opposition fans be unhappy and show that?
Archangel
attended cup finals that Celtic have lost and they haven't jeered the
opposition. In fact one or two against Aberdeen come to mind.
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Ross
"Archangel" <Archangel@paradise_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>
> Looks like Ross just wants to argue for the sake of it again. I have
> attended cup finals that Celtic have lost and they haven't jeered the
> opposition. In fact one or two against Aberdeen come to mind.
Thats because by the time of the final whistle you were long gone.
Ross
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Ross
"Archangel" <Archangel@paradise_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
ohh yes you were 84 final you were long gone.......knew the game was a
bogey.
Ross
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the end. We'd scored in the last moments to take it to extra-time,
therefore hope was high it could be repeated. We were down to 10 men if I
recall correctly.
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anything or say anything positive about the OF.
Ross
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>
> >
Oh i was there all right the Dons have won the Scottish cup 7 times and ive
seen 6 of them in person so not bad going i reckon.......indeed that very
night at a supporters function in a St Andrews hotel i got a drink out of
the Scottish cup from a certain red head whos now managing the best team in
the country.
I was and remember the Celtic support staying until
> the end. We'd scored in the last moments to take it to extra-time,
you really should have been about 4 or 5 down by then but i suppose the fact
you werent and you were down to 10 men was to your credit.
> therefore hope was high it could be repeated. We were down to 10 men if I
> recall correctly.
Big Roy chooped the wee man in two deservedly sent off.
Ross
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