Interesting......
Dazza
woolfy
> http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4621374,00.html
>
>
Taken from March the 9th. Not very original journalism but still
interesting.
However "the Republican anthem, 'Fields of Athenry'" ?
Jonbhoy
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> http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4621374,00.html
>
>
and?????
JB
Tony Flynn
"woolfy" <woo...@NOSPAM9volts.co.uk> wrote in message
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Exactly. He goes on and holds up the Ireland rugby team as an example to
all. The Irish rugby fans sing 'Fields of Athenry' just as passionately as
Celtic fans. The Fields of Athenry was a No.1 hit in Ireland for fuck sake,
hardly a Republican anthem. Celtic have done well to eradicate 'real'
Republican anthems from Celtic Park, and for a journalist to call The Fields
one is ridiculous and feeds ignorant Rangers fans unfounded prejudices.
Also, Neil Lennon tried to say that Irish football would benefit from
bringing the North & Republic together and was howled down. An all-Ireland
football team played against Brasil in the 70s (O'Neill playing) with no
problems, and it should be looked at again.
Del.
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>
> and?????
>
> JB
I understand why the article was made available, but having difficulty with
your response.
You don't find it interesting, but found the need to reply
with.'and?????'...........?
I found both the original, and your reply, interesting.
Wonder why.
Hoopy
"Dazza" <da...@shotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4621374,00.html
>
"There was an antidote to yesterday's tribal spectacle in Glasgow. It took
place at Lansdowne Road, Dublin, and involved an all-Ireland side comprised
of men from unionist and nationalist, Catholic and Protestant backgrounds.
It was watched by people from all over this island who hold different
political, religious and national allegiances. They were united behind the
men in the green jerseys who defeated France in yesterday's rugby
international."
I'm all for that Dazza. Are you?
Del.
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Ross
"Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
> Also, Neil Lennon tried to say that Irish football would benefit from
> bringing the North & Republic together
Cant see the North adding much to it they are almost as bad as us.
and was howled down. An all-Ireland
> football team played against Brasil in the 70s (O'Neill playing) with no
> problems, and it should be looked at again.
Why should it be looked at again ?
Ross
afc
bob
"Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Also, Neil Lennon tried to say that Irish football would benefit from
> bringing the North & Republic together and was howled down.
Really? When?
-bob
Dazza
It is a newspaper article, one is expected to form his or her own opinion
following the reading of the article in question. I expect the Observer is
not to your liking as it doesnt contain as many colour pictures as the Sun,
but hey, we can't please everybody.
Daz
Dazza
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>
No, I cant fucking stand rugby, would bore me to tears.
Daz
Stevie
Stevie
Tony Flynn
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Any sporting, political or cultural body which brings Catholics and
Protestants throughout Ireland together in a common goal is a 'good thing'
as far as I'm concerned.
Dazza
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You dont say?
ZB
Careful Tony, you're ruining your image of being a "bitter" Tim.
Jonbhoy
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I find the flag issue is trying to make a point that isnt really there
because it happens at many grounds around the world , not just old firm
grounds !
My "And" was because usually Dazza tries to make some point and as he didnt
type it after the link i was waiting for another troll.
JB
Jonbhoy
ah the old "You must be a sun reader" line , well your wrong ! And
unoriginal too!
JB
Papa-Bear
..does that go for schools, too..?
pb
Tony Flynn
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At this moment in time I don't think it could be done without causing
bloodshed, but yes of course in the long term.Perhaps like the shared campus
idea being floated in the West of Scotland.
stuart graham
wrote:
An idea being floated and almost universally condemned.....
--
stuart graham
''The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man"
George Bernard Shaw
Ronnie the Tim
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An idea already in practice in Dalkeith.
--
Ronnie the Tim
Tony Flynn
"stuart graham" <stu...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Is it being condemned by both sides or mainly priests?
stuart graham
wrote:
>> An idea being floated and almost universally condemned.....
>> --
>> stuart graham
>
>
>Is it being condemned by both sides or mainly priests?
>
By the church and by parents.
stuart graham
<ronnie...@tiscali.spamfritters.co.uk> wrote:
>> >At this moment in time I don't think it could be done without causing
>> >bloodshed, but yes of course in the long term.Perhaps like the shared
>campus
>> >idea being floated in the West of Scotland.
>> >
>>
>> An idea being floated and almost universally >condemned.....
>
>An idea already in practice in Dalkeith.
Dalkeith not being the West of Scotland. As you know i have some
degree of involvement in such things and this whole issue is going to
become a real political hot potato before very long i fear.
Tony Flynn
"stuart graham" <stu...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> On Sun, 4 May 2003 13:57:16 +0100, "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> An idea being floated and almost universally condemned.....
> >> --
> >> stuart graham
> >
> >
> >Is it being condemned by both sides or mainly priests?
> >
>
> By the church and by parents.
> --
> stuart graham
Well, if a few examples of the idea working are lauded in the papers, along
with some strong political decisions it might be a goer. In Scotland anyway.
Ronnie the Tim
> On Sun, 4 May 2003 13:52:41 +0100, "Ronnie the Tim"
> <ronnie...@tiscali.spamfritters.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >> >At this moment in time I don't think it could be done without causing
> >> >bloodshed, but yes of course in the long term.Perhaps like the shared
> >campus
> >> >idea being floated in the West of Scotland.
> >> >
> >>
> >> An idea being floated and almost universally >condemned.....
> >
> >An idea already in practice in Dalkeith.
>
> Dalkeith not being the West of Scotland. As you know i have some
> degree of involvement in such things and this whole issue is going to
> become a real political hot potato before very long i fear.
I keep on forgetting that while I'm from the West I no longer live there.
--
Ronnie the Tim
ZB
from
> > > > bringing the North & Republic together
> > >
> > > Cant see the North adding much to it they are almost as bad as us.
> > >
> > >
> > > and was howled down. An all-Ireland
> > > > football team played against Brasil in the 70s (O'Neill playing)
with
> no
> > > > problems, and it should be looked at again.
> > >
> > > Why should it be looked at again ?
> >
> >
> > Any sporting, political or cultural body which brings Catholics and
> > Protestants throughout Ireland together in a common goal is a 'good
thing'
> > as far as I'm concerned.
>
> ..does that go for schools, too..?
I don't have a problem with parents being allowed to send their kids to a
non denominational school. Why do you have an issue with parents choosing to
send their kids to a religious school if they believe that is what is best
for them.
Moody Marco
"Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> news:3eb23c74$1...@nntphost.cis.strath.ac.uk...
> > Dazza wrote:
> > > http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4621374,00.html
> > >
> > >
> > Taken from March the 9th. Not very original journalism but still
> > interesting.
> >
> > However "the Republican anthem, 'Fields of Athenry'" ?
>
>
> Exactly. He goes on and holds up the Ireland rugby team as an example to
> all. The Irish rugby fans sing 'Fields of Athenry' just as passionately as
> Celtic fans.
Its got feck all to do with football though.
Moody Marco
> > >
> >
> > By the church and by parents.
> > --
> > stuart graham
>
>
> Well, if a few examples of the idea working are lauded in the papers,
along
> with some strong political decisions it might be a goer. In Scotland
anyway.
>
>
Forgive my ignornace, but WTF are we on about here?
Tony Flynn
"Moody Marco" <ma...@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
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It has nothing to do with rugby either. The Sash has nothing to do with
football, neither does Walk On, I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles, Blue Moon,
Swing Low Sweet Chariot, Rule Britannia, The Great Escape, Viva Espana
..etc. Why shouldn't a group of people at a football match sing whatever
harmless song they want? Do you have a problem with The Fields?
Moody Marco
I dont, no, but I can see how it maybe doesnt help matters, if it were up to
me I'd ban Celtic & Rangers fans for singing *any* songs about Ireland.
Extreme I know, but I really wish both sets of fans would concentrate on
football and not the politics/history of a foreign nation.
Tony Flynn
It isn't foreign to the Irish Celtic supporters or to Celtic fans with Irish
fathers, grandfathers etc.
If you moved to Japan to live would you go out of your way to ensure that
your children grow up completely Japanese? Would you never mention Scotland,
Scotland's history or how proud you are to be Scottish? It's very easy for
Scottish people to tell the children and grandchildren of immigrant Irish,
Pakistani, Indian and etc to forget all about their roots and become
exclusively Scottish, but it doesn't work like that. Ask any Scottish
ex-pats throughout the world about singing songs about the 'Old Country'.
ZB
> > > > > Taken from March the 9th. Not very original journalism but still
> > > > > interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > However "the Republican anthem, 'Fields of Athenry'" ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Exactly. He goes on and holds up the Ireland rugby team as an
example
> to
> > > > all. The Irish rugby fans sing 'Fields of Athenry' just as
> passionately
> > as
> > > > Celtic fans.
> > >
> > > Its got feck all to do with football though.
> >
> >
> > It has nothing to do with rugby either. The Sash has nothing to do with
> > football, neither does Walk On, I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles, Blue Moon,
> > Swing Low Sweet Chariot, Rule Britannia, The Great Escape, Viva Espana
> > ..etc. Why shouldn't a group of people at a football match sing whatever
> > harmless song they want? Do you have a problem with The Fields?
>
> I dont, no, but I can see how it maybe doesnt help matters, if it were up
to
> me I'd ban Celtic & Rangers fans for singing *any* songs about Ireland.
> Extreme I know, but I really wish both sets of fans would concentrate on
> football and not the politics/history of a foreign nation.
Ireland is a big part of Celtic's history, why shouldn't an Irish song be
sung at Parkhead.
Papa-Bear
"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > Also, Neil Lennon tried to say that Irish football would benefit
> from
> > > > > bringing the North & Republic together
> > > >
> > > > Cant see the North adding much to it they are almost as bad as us.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and was howled down. An all-Ireland
> > > > > football team played against Brasil in the 70s (O'Neill playing)
> with
> > no
> > > > > problems, and it should be looked at again.
> > > >
> > > > Why should it be looked at again ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Any sporting, political or cultural body which brings Catholics and
> > > Protestants throughout Ireland together in a common goal is a 'good
> thing'
> > > as far as I'm concerned.
> >
> > ..does that go for schools, too..?
>
> I don't have a problem with parents being allowed to send their kids to a
> non denominational school.
..gee whizz....that's big of you..
> Why do you have an issue with parents choosing to
> send their kids to a religious school if they believe that is what is best
> for them.
...because schools are where society teaches common values and the common
values shared by religions are so universal that we don't need to have
separate schools to teach them...if you want to pervert the minds of your
children with medieval mumbo-jumbo, do it behind closed doors - but there's
no way in hell that society should sanction such nonsense by dividing itself
along those lines...religious schools are founded on superiority, prejudice
and preservation of power, they breed division, mistrust and suspicion, they
bring absolutely nothing of benefit to society and only serve to divide
rather than unite...if you're going to allow religious schools for one sect,
then you have to allow them for all - I take it you *do* believe in schools
for the children of Satanists?....what we end up is a society utterly and
artificially fragmented along lines of hocus-pocus mind-control and power
struggles.... and if you're going to give schools to religious sects, why
not to political parties?...why not socialist schools?....or BNP schools for
that matter?....
pb
sme
uk.sport.football.clubs.celtic and i'm replying to ZB...
And why is it only songs about Ireland? What about songs like Rule
Brittania? Should that be banned?
--
sme
www.ninja-base.tk
yahoo: ninjabase
icq: 122685097
Græme
>> Why do you have an issue with parents choosing to
>> send their kids to a religious school if they believe that is what is best
>> for them.
>
>...because schools are where society teaches common values and the common
>values shared by religions are so universal that we don't need to have
>separate schools to teach them...if you want to pervert the minds of your
>children with medieval mumbo-jumbo, do it behind closed doors - but there's
>no way in hell that society should sanction such nonsense by dividing itself
>along those lines...religious schools are founded on superiority, prejudice
>and preservation of power, they breed division, mistrust and suspicion, they
>bring absolutely nothing of benefit to society and only serve to divide
>rather than unite...if you're going to allow religious schools for one sect,
>then you have to allow them for all - I take it you *do* believe in schools
>for the children of Satanists?....what we end up is a society utterly and
>artificially fragmented along lines of hocus-pocus mind-control and power
>struggles.... and if you're going to give schools to religious sects, why
>not to political parties?...why not socialist schools?....or BNP schools for
>that matter?....
......... is the right answer...............
----------------
Birdiñho
Carpe Diem.
Græme
>Ireland is a big part of Celtic's history, why shouldn't an Irish song be
>sung at Parkhead.
Northern Ireland is a part of Rangers' history. Why shouldn't Northern Irish songs be
sung at Ibrox ZB?
----------------
Birdiñho
Carpe Diem.
Jim
>
> "Moody Marco" <ma...@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b93rh7$fe2fg$1...@ID-68982.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3eb56c67$0$328$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "Moody Marco" <ma...@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:b93n7d$fal6o$1...@ID-68982.news.dfncis.de...
> > > >
> > > > "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3eb24957$0$322$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk...
> > > > >
> > > > > "woolfy" <woo...@NOSPAM9volts.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3eb23c74$1...@nntphost.cis.strath.ac.uk...
> > > > > > Dazza wrote:
> > > > > > > http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4621374,00.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
That would be every body who has ever worn a celtic top, even the muslims
think they are Irish, ask Sid......... there is Tims born in glagow with no
family
links to Ierland that think they are more Irish than the Irish..............
Moody Marco
You have no problem with Rangers fans singing Rule Britannia or God Save The
Queen?
T_Bhoy
>
>Northern Ireland is a part of Rangers' history. Why shouldn't Northern Irish songs be
>sung at Ibrox ZB?
>
>
>
rangers history?
ZB
a
> > non denominational school.
>
> ..gee whizz....that's big of you..
Yes, it's called democracy and respecting the views of others. Something
which is clearly beyind you these days.
Gee, you're a really bitter & twisted guy these days. Equating religion with
the BNP
takes the biscuit.
TSG
"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > >
that are not white, Scottish and protestant. But apparently it's the people
who they dislike and discriminate against who are the cause of the all the
bigotry. It's so farcical, it's like a Monty python plot!
ZB
They can sing what they want as long as its not bigotted.
TSG
Unfortunately, as is clear from your views, Scotland is as far away from
that as it has ever been. The inability to tolerate those that are different
from us is the basis for all discrimination.
It is Scottish society that has a real problem with groups that are
different. You are correct to say that the inability of the Scottish people
to tolerate others is exacerbated by Catholic schooling, because people who
attend these schools are seen as different. Accordingly, it does appear that
in fact that Scottish Catholics do have the ability to bring an end to the
base bigotry which runs through Scottish society, by moving away from a
separate schooling system.
Catholics are not the cause of the problem> Intolerance in Scotland is.
However, Catholics may have part of the answer. Unfortunately, this solution
will never be achieved, because the more Catholic schools are demonised and
blamed for an ill within our society that is the fault of *all* of society,
the more Catholics will perceive themselves to be discriminated against and
the more they will want to defend their separate schools.
The people of Scotland all have to take the blame and Catholics need to
realise that *they* may have to be the ones to make the sacrifice in order
to eradicate Scotland's shame.
Think about.
TSG
ZB
You are correct that tolerance is the key. It's amazing that the atheist can
get away with shocking intolerance towards religion that would not be
acceptable under other circumstances.
Moody Marco
Thats a "no" then?
Moody Marco
> because the majority
Majority?
Paddy O'Hara
The only reason most people want an end to Catholic schooling is because
they're jealous that Catholics have something and they don't. I've no doubt
about that.
Paddy
Papa-Bear
"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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...answer the questions...do you believe in having schools for the children
of Satanists?...or Pagans even?...and why shouldn't we have schools divided
along political lines as well?....why shouldn't we have schoold for the
BNP?..after all, if you want to send you children to a school that will
indoctrinate them with a philosophy that is held by only a minority of
society why shouldn't the fascist from down the street have exactly the same
rights?
pb
Moody Marco
Do we have schools for atheists?
Papa-Bear
"TSG" <para...@parkhead.com> wrote in message
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..as long as you get to keep your own schools?...
> Unfortunately, as is clear from your views, Scotland is as far away from
> that as it has ever been. The inability to tolerate those that are
different
> from us is the basis for all discrimination.
...unable to tolerate people who are different by wishing to be educated
alongside them and by them?...that's a strange way of being intolerant don't
you think?...
> It is Scottish society that has a real problem with groups that are
> different.
...no more than any other, and a lot less than most...
> You are correct to say that the inability of the Scottish people
> to tolerate others is exacerbated by Catholic schooling, because people
who
> attend these schools are seen as different. Accordingly, it does appear
that
> in fact that Scottish Catholics do have the ability to bring an end to the
> base bigotry which runs through Scottish society, by moving away from a
> separate schooling system.
..that would be the first step in ending it - it will need a couple of
generations to actually show any real improvements..
> Catholics are not the cause of the problem> Intolerance in Scotland is.
> However, Catholics may have part of the answer. Unfortunately, this
solution
> will never be achieved, because the more Catholic schools are demonised
and
> blamed for an ill within our society that is the fault of *all* of
society,
> the more Catholics will perceive themselves to be discriminated against
and
> the more they will want to defend their separate schools.
> The people of Scotland all have to take the blame and Catholics need to
> realise that *they* may have to be the ones to make the sacrifice in order
> to eradicate Scotland's shame.
>
> Think about.
>
> TSG
..the same old nonsense - anyone who disagrees with schooling based along
sectarian lines is accused of intolerance and narrow-mindedness...which,
when you think about it is ironically hilarious...here's me saying we should
educate all our children together, irrespective of sex, race or religion and
teach them with teachers of all races and religions....here's you saying
that you want a school system where only children from one religion are
taught together by teachers who have only one religion...and *I'm*
intolerant of differences? ...you couldnae make it up...
--
pb
Tony Flynn
"Jim" <fo...@last.com> wrote in message
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Who would that be jim?
By the way jim, would you like to see Irish immigrants and their descendants
sent back to Ireland, or would they be ok as they are white?
Jim
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T_Bhoy
>
>>
>>
>And what would that be ?
>
>
>
>
>
Paddy O'Hara
For fuck sake, Jim. Are trying to act thick or what?
Paddy
Angof
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> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >And what would that be ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Well better schools for a start :)
>
You should have gone to one then.
Angof
Grant
Grant
Papa-Bear
"TSG" <para...@parkhead.com> wrote in message
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..if ever there was an argument against sectarian schooling, you're it...you
come on making outrageously sweeping statements, tarring all the protestants
with the same brush accusing them of ...wait for it....intolerance and
bigotry.....this is too funny for words...
pb
T_Bhoy
>
>>
>>
>
>You should have gone to one then.
>
>Angof
>
>
>
>
ZB
Why should I answer a stupid question like that? When you start answering
questions you've been asked, I'll offer you the same courtesy.
> and why shouldn't we have schools divided
> along political lines as well?....why shouldn't we have schoold for the
> BNP?..after all, if you want to send you children to a school that will
> indoctrinate them with a philosophy that is held by only a minority of
> society why shouldn't the fascist from down the street have exactly the
same
> rights?
You should accept the rights of others with strong convictions to school
their kids as they see fit. Instead you want everyone to follow the model
that *you* deem acceptable. I have no problem with parents who want to send
their kids to mixed schools, that's up to them. Or if they feel home
schooling is a better option, good for them. I also have no problem with
Catholics, Jews and Muslims sending their kids to a religious school because
they feel it is in their children's best interests. Your problem is quite
obviously that you do not respect the views of others.
Papa-Bear
"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > ...answer the questions...do you believe in having schools for the
> children
> > of Satanists?...or Pagans even?...
>
> Why should I answer a stupid question like that? When you start answering
> questions you've been asked, I'll offer you the same courtesy.
...there's nothing in the least stupid about the question and your fear of
answering it speaks volumes...you either support public funding for schools
of Satanism or you contradict your own argument...talk about a rock and a
hard place...
> > and why shouldn't we have schools divided
> > along political lines as well?....why shouldn't we have schoold for the
> > BNP?..after all, if you want to send you children to a school that will
> > indoctrinate them with a philosophy that is held by only a minority of
> > society why shouldn't the fascist from down the street have exactly the
> same
> > rights?
>
> You should accept the rights of others with strong convictions to school
> their kids as they see fit.
..so you *do* agree with having fascist political schools as well as schools
for Devil worship?...
> Instead you want everyone to follow the model
> that *you* deem acceptable.
...all society's children taught together by people whose race, gender and
philosophies reflect the maek up of that society, helping to create and
foster an increased sense of society and unity?..yeah, what an intolerant
bastard I am, eh?..
> I have no problem with parents who want to send
> their kids to mixed schools, that's up to them. Or if they feel home
> schooling is a better option, good for them. I also have no problem with
> Catholics, Jews and Muslims sending their kids to a religious school
because
> they feel it is in their children's best interests. Your problem is quite
> obviously that you do not respect the views of others.
...here we go again...anyone who disagrees with you doesn't "respect the
views of others"...look, let me explain how it works...I don't respect many
of your views, in fact I find many of them regressive, intolerant and
extremely unpleasant - but I do respect your right to hold them and to
articulate them - there's the difference...
pb
John E
> >
> >You should have gone to one then.
> >
> >
Go on, tell us what you've done to upset Angof...
T_Bhoy
John E wrote:
He probably saw a rangers bank balance ;-)
Jim
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Jim
Who would what be? and dont ask silly questions about anybody in here, but I
suppose
your going to tell me Mr Flyne that you're granny came from Cork and you're
Da is
from Dublin...........
>
> By the way jim, would you like to see Irish immigrants and their
descendants
> sent back to Ireland, or would they be ok as they are white?
>
Know just the one's that *Think* they are Irish, you know Toby I sold ticket
to an old Irish guy for the last Of game for his 73rd birthday it was a gift
from his
family, they were very thankful and willing to pay anything for the Ticket
but be being
a kind hearted true blue only took the price that I paid, they found it
funny that it was a
Bear that got them a ticket for the Celtic end of Ibrox ( networking and
that know)
Out of all the Real Irish people that have meet and drank with I have only
meet one arse hole, shame I cant say the same about Glasgow..
Why is there only white people in Ireland?
Tony Flynn
Would it surprise you if any Celtic fans had Irish heritage?
> > By the way jim, would you like to see Irish immigrants and their
> descendants
> > sent back to Ireland, or would they be ok as they are white?
> >
> Know just the one's that *Think* they are Irish, you know Toby I sold
ticket
> to an old Irish guy for the last Of game for his 73rd birthday it was a
gift
> from his
> family, they were very thankful and willing to pay anything for the Ticket
> but be being
> a kind hearted true blue only took the price that I paid, they found it
> funny that it was a
> Bear that got them a ticket for the Celtic end of Ibrox ( networking and
> that know)
That's awfully kind of you. I'm certain the old boy enjoyed it more than
you. You're little Orange contact book must be full of important members
from the BNP & the Leverndale OO.
> Out of all the Real Irish people that have meet and drank with I have
only
> meet one arse hole, shame I cant say the same about Glasgow..
Well, if you hang about BNP rallies and Orange halls, I'm afraid you'll meet
lots of arseholes.
> Why is there only white people in Ireland?
I don't think there is jim. Who told you that, one of your 'Real Irish'
friends?
Jim
>
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> > "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Jim" <fo...@last.com> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3eb57969$0$333$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Moody Marco" <ma...@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > news:b93rh7$fe2fg$1...@ID-68982.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3eb56c67$0$328$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Moody Marco" <ma...@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:b93n7d$fal6o$1...@ID-68982.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Tony Flynn" <in_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3eb24957$0$322$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "woolfy" <woo...@NOSPAM9volts.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3eb23c74$1...@nntphost.cis.strath.ac.uk...
> > > > > > > > > > Dazza wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4621374,00.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>
>
> > > By the way jim, would you like to see Irish immigrants and their
> > descendants
> > > sent back to Ireland, or would they be ok as they are white?
> > >
> > Know just the one's that *Think* they are Irish, you know Toby I sold
> ticket
> > to an old Irish guy for the last Of game for his 73rd birthday it was a
> gift
> > from his
> > family, they were very thankful and willing to pay anything for the
Ticket
> > but be being
> > a kind hearted true blue only took the price that I paid, they found it
> > funny that it was a
> > Bear that got them a ticket for the Celtic end of Ibrox ( networking and
> > that know)
>
>
> That's awfully kind of you. I'm certain the old boy enjoyed it more than
> you. You're little Orange contact book must be full of important members
> from the BNP & the Leverndale OO.
>
Why have you allways got to act like a Fanny?
>
>
> > Out of all the Real Irish people that have meet and drank with I have
> only
> > meet one arse hole, shame I cant say the same about Glasgow..
>
> Well, if you hang about BNP rallies and Orange halls, I'm afraid you'll
meet
> lots of arseholes.
Scratch that, you are a Fanny...................
>
>
> > Why is there only white people in Ireland?
>
>
> I don't think there
I know you dont think.............
is jim. Who told you that, one of your 'Real Irish'
> friends?
>
You just did..................
ZB
>
>
> "ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > > ...answer the questions...do you believe in having schools for the
> > children
> > > of Satanists?...or Pagans even?...
> >
> > Why should I answer a stupid question like that? When you start
answering
> > questions you've been asked, I'll offer you the same courtesy.
>
> ...there's nothing in the least stupid about the question and your fear of
> answering it speaks volumes...you either support public funding for
schools
> of Satanism or you contradict your own argument...talk about a rock and a
> hard place...
It's a silly question and you well know it. Unlike the straight forward
questions which you refused to answer.
> > > and why shouldn't we have schools divided
> > > along political lines as well?....why shouldn't we have schoold for
the
> > > BNP?..after all, if you want to send you children to a school that
will
> > > indoctrinate them with a philosophy that is held by only a minority of
> > > society why shouldn't the fascist from down the street have exactly
the
> > same
> > > rights?
> >
> > You should accept the rights of others with strong convictions to school
> > their kids as they see fit.
>
> ..so you *do* agree with having fascist political schools as well as
schools
> for Devil worship?...
You get sillier by the minute
> > Instead you want everyone to follow the model
> > that *you* deem acceptable.
>
> ...all society's children taught together by people whose race, gender and
> philosophies reflect the maek up of that society, helping to create and
> foster an increased sense of society and unity?..yeah, what an intolerant
> bastard I am, eh?..
All children denied the right to religious education and forced to a secular
education just because you happen to be an atheist. I'd say that's pretty
intolerant seeing that probably about 50% of the world's population are not
atheist.
> > I have no problem with parents who want to send
> > their kids to mixed schools, that's up to them. Or if they feel home
> > schooling is a better option, good for them. I also have no problem with
> > Catholics, Jews and Muslims sending their kids to a religious school
> because
> > they feel it is in their children's best interests. Your problem is
quite
> > obviously that you do not respect the views of others.
>
> ...here we go again...anyone who disagrees with you doesn't "respect the
> views of others"...look, let me explain how it works..
People who patronise and mock the views of others are not to be taken
seriously.
.I don't respect many
> of your views, in fact I find many of them regressive, intolerant and
> extremely unpleasant - but I do respect your right to hold them and to
> articulate them - there's the difference...
I find your views to be arrogant and presumptive but still respect
them and your right to hold them.
Papa-Bear
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>
> "Papa-Bear" <p...@railtrack.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b95oa1$ffc3d$1...@ID-66527.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > > >
> > > > ...answer the questions...do you believe in having schools for the
> > > children
> > > > of Satanists?...or Pagans even?...
> > >
> > > Why should I answer a stupid question like that? When you start
> answering
> > > questions you've been asked, I'll offer you the same courtesy.
> >
> > ...there's nothing in the least stupid about the question and your fear
of
> > answering it speaks volumes...you either support public funding for
> schools
> > of Satanism or you contradict your own argument...talk about a rock and
a
> > hard place...
>
> It's a silly question and you well know it. Unlike the straight forward
> questions which you refused to answer.
I haven't refused to answer a single question - so, please point out to me
the one you're referring to....and then you can explain why the question
about funding Satanist or Pagan schools is stupid...I realise that you are
trying desperately to avoid having to answer it since doing so destroys your
argument or contradicts your religion, but go on, at least try to make up a
plausible reson for avoiding the question...
> > > > and why shouldn't we have schools divided
> > > > along political lines as well?....why shouldn't we have schoold for
> the
> > > > BNP?..after all, if you want to send you children to a school that
> will
> > > > indoctrinate them with a philosophy that is held by only a minority
of
> > > > society why shouldn't the fascist from down the street have exactly
> the
> > > same
> > > > rights?
> > >
> > > You should accept the rights of others with strong convictions to
school
> > > their kids as they see fit.
> >
> > ..so you *do* agree with having fascist political schools as well as
> schools
> > for Devil worship?...
>
> You get sillier by the minute
...and your refusal to back up your claims shows how indefensible they
are...
> >
> > ...all society's children taught together by people whose race, gender
and
> > philosophies reflect the maek up of that society, helping to create and
> > foster an increased sense of society and unity?..yeah, what an
intolerant
> > bastard I am, eh?..
>
> All children denied the right to religious education and forced to a
secular
> education just because you happen to be an atheist.
...they can be split into separate classes for RE according to their
parent's wishes or they can be educated in their parent's religion in their
parent's home...school is not the place for religious indoctrination unless
you want to have a school for *every* religion...
> I'd say that's pretty
> intolerant seeing that probably about 50% of the world's population are
not
> atheist.
...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have politically
based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
Ronnie the Tim
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> "ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> schreibt:
>
>
>
> >Ireland is a big part of Celtic's history, why shouldn't an Irish song be
> >sung at Parkhead.
>
Irish songs be
> sung at Ibrox ZB?
What's a Northern Irish song?
--
Ronnie the Tim
Moody Marco
FFS ZB, are you going to answer the question?
Moody Marco
"Ronnie the Tim" <ronnie...@tiscali.spamfritters.co.uk> wrote in message
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A song about, or originated in, Northern Ireland? ;-)
ZB
You have in a few other threads.
> > > > > and why shouldn't we have schools divided
> > > > > along political lines as well?....why shouldn't we have schoold
for
> > the
> > > > > BNP?..after all, if you want to send you children to a school that
> > will
> > > > > indoctrinate them with a philosophy that is held by only a
minority
> of
> > > > > society why shouldn't the fascist from down the street have
exactly
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > > rights?
> > > >
> > > > You should accept the rights of others with strong convictions to
> school
> > > > their kids as they see fit.
> > >
> > > ..so you *do* agree with having fascist political schools as well as
> > schools
> > > for Devil worship?...
> >
> > You get sillier by the minute
>
> ...and your refusal to back up your claims shows how indefensible they
> are...
Nonsense. Your point is ridiculous.
> > > ...all society's children taught together by people whose race, gender
> and
> > > philosophies reflect the maek up of that society, helping to create
and
> > > foster an increased sense of society and unity?..yeah, what an
> intolerant
> > > bastard I am, eh?..
> >
> > All children denied the right to religious education and forced to a
> secular
> > education just because you happen to be an atheist.
>
> ...they can be split into separate classes for RE according to their
> parent's wishes or they can be educated in their parent's religion in
their
> parent's home...school is not the place for religious indoctrination
unless
> you want to have a school for *every* religion...
How gracious of you. The problem with that is that for some, religion is not
a small pigeon hole of their life, it is comprehensive. You are quite happy
for people to be indoctrinated with secularism but not religion.
> > I'd say that's pretty
> > intolerant seeing that probably about 50% of the world's population are
> not
> > atheist.
>
> ...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have politically
> based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
Once again, a quite ridiculous point. Are you honestly trying to compare
politics and religion.
Ronnie the Tim
>
> "Ronnie the Tim" <ronnie...@tiscali.spamfritters.co.uk> wrote in
message
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> > news:9bc29d34624e1386abfdec63ba17e0bd@TeraNews...
> > > "ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> schreibt:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ireland is a big part of Celtic's history, why shouldn't an Irish
song
> be
> > > >sung at Parkhead.
> > >
> > > Northern Ireland is a part of Rangers' history. Why >shouldn't
Northern
> > Irish songs be
> > > sung at Ibrox ZB?
> >
> > What's a Northern Irish song?
> >
>
> A song about, or originated in, Northern Ireland? ;-)
So a song about (just for example mind you) how wonderful a political party
SinnFein are would be acceptable to be sung at Ibrox?
--
Ronnie the Tim
TSG
people I don't tolerate are the intolerant.
TSG
If you had actually read the post properly, you would see i was advocating
an end to a seperate catholic schooling system. Hey, maybe if you'd had a
catholic education yourself you'd have recognised that. You're reaction to
my comments is quite disappointing. What is wrong with only children from
one religion are taught together by teachers who have only one religion? Or
should everyone just conform to what your view of what society should be?
What happened to live and let live?
Papa-Bear
"TSG" <para...@parkhead.com> wrote in message
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..I did and you weren't...
pb
stuart graham
wrote:
>...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have politically
>based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
As an aside what is your opinion of schools that have a specialism?
Are schools that specialise in technical subjects or drama or music as
evil as Catholic schools in your world?
--
stuart graham
''The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man"
George Bernard Shaw
Moody Marco
> >
> what have my views in this post got to do with catholic schooling?? the
only
> people I don't tolerate are the intolerant.
>
>
Well thats just bloody intolerant.
Archangel
--
Stand up for the champions
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>
> "ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > Also, Neil Lennon tried to say that Irish football would benefit
> > from
> > > > > > bringing the North & Republic together
> > > > >
> > > > > Cant see the North adding much to it they are almost as bad as us.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > and was howled down. An all-Ireland
> > > > > > football team played against Brasil in the 70s (O'Neill playing)
> > with
> > > no
> > > > > > problems, and it should be looked at again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why should it be looked at again ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any sporting, political or cultural body which brings Catholics and
> > > > Protestants throughout Ireland together in a common goal is a 'good
> > thing'
> > > > as far as I'm concerned.
> > >
> > > ..does that go for schools, too..?
SNIP
if you want to pervert the minds of your
children with medieval mumbo-jumbo, do it behind closed doors - but there's
no way in hell that society should sanction such nonsense by dividing itself
along those lines...religious schools are founded on superiority, prejudice
and preservation of power, they breed division, mistrust and suspicion, they
bring absolutely nothing of benefit to society and only serve to divide
rather than unite.
I must have missed all of that mistrust and suspicion at the Catholic
schools I attended. If that is the total usefulness of Catholic schools, why
do many parents of non Catholic children mainly from Asia choose to send
their children to a Catholic school?
Papa-Bear
"stuart graham" <stu...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 May 2003 19:08:44 +0100, "Papa-Bear" <p...@railtrack.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have politically
> >based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
>
> As an aside what is your opinion of schools that have a specialism?
> Are schools that specialise in technical subjects or drama or music as
> evil as Catholic schools in your world?
> --
...Farm Boy!..welcome back, where *have* you been?..sewing seeds or
spreading bullshit?..I always get my agricultural calendar confused....in
any event, go away and rephrase the question and come back when it's
ready...
pb
Papa-Bear
"Archangel" <Archangel@paradise_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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...who mentioned Catholics?...ah, that's right *you* did...must be that
Catholic education with it's in-built persecution complex...what was it that
made you think of catholicism?..was it the "medieval mumbo jumbo" part?...or
the "prejudice and preservation of power" part?
pb
Archangel
> ...who mentioned Catholics?...ah, that's right *you* did...must be that
> Catholic education with it's in-built persecution complex...what was it
that
> made you think of catholicism?..was it the "medieval mumbo jumbo"
part?...or
> the "prejudice and preservation of power" part?
>
> pb
...religious schools are founded on superiority, prejudice and preservation
of power, they breed division, mistrust and suspicion, they bring
absolutely nothing of benefit to society and only serve to divide rather
The first couple of words kind of gives it away dont you think? My comment
was that I attended one of these "religious schools" but was taught none of
the adjectives you used
Papa-Bear
..but not in this thread..so, since your refusal to answer the question was
based on my supposed avoidance of your question, which as we've seen is not
valid, maybe you'll finally do it - do you or do you not believe that pagan
or Satanist schools should be publically funded?...it's not hard..yes or
no...
...so you keep saying..yet somehow failt to show how it is ridiculous -
particularly since it follows your argument to its logical conclusion...all
the while avoiding answering...
> > > > ...all society's children taught together by people whose race,
gender
> > and
> > > > philosophies reflect the maek up of that society, helping to create
> and
> > > > foster an increased sense of society and unity?..yeah, what an
> > intolerant
> > > > bastard I am, eh?..
> > >
> > > All children denied the right to religious education and forced to a
> > secular
> > > education just because you happen to be an atheist.
> >
> > ...they can be split into separate classes for RE according to their
> > parent's wishes or they can be educated in their parent's religion in
> their
> > parent's home...school is not the place for religious indoctrination
> unless
> > you want to have a school for *every* religion...
>
> How gracious of you. The problem with that is that for some, religion is
not
> a small pigeon hole of their life, it is comprehensive. You are quite
happy
> for people to be indoctrinated with secularism but not religion.
..secularism is the absense of religion and is free of religious doctrine,
you cannot be indoctrinated by something which has no doctrine....
> > > I'd say that's pretty
> > > intolerant seeing that probably about 50% of the world's population
are
> > not
> > > atheist.
> >
> > ...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have politically
> > based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
>
> Once again, a quite ridiculous point. Are you honestly trying to compare
> politics and religion.
...of course...what's the difference?...you'll find, if you care to study
history even just a little, that they are very much the same - both of them
are control mechanisms...and in the case of religion, control mechanisms of
the basest and most primitive kind...
...let's recap..so far you've failed to explain why we should or shouldn't
have schools for satanists and failed to explain why political schools are
"ridiculous" but religious schools are desirable....it seems that what you
want are schools for "others with strong convictions" - as long as these
convictions are religious convictions, religious convictions of an
"accepted" religion mind you, and not strong political convictions for
example...having said that, since you avoid answering every question put to
you and since you don't seem to have an independent or considered thought in
your head it's hard to tell exactly what you do think...maybe if you
answered a question every now and then we might actually get somewhere...
pb
Ross
"Archangel" <Archangel@paradise_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
Moody Marco
"Ross" <ro...@callthemheavenlydancers.com> wrote in message
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Ok Ross I've looked, looked and re-looked. What was it?
Duncan
<stu...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 5 May 2003 19:08:44 +0100, "Papa-Bear" <p...@railtrack.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have politically
>>based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
>
>As an aside what is your opinion of schools that have a specialism?
>Are schools that specialise in technical subjects or drama or music as
>evil as Catholic schools in your world?
Drama schools are pure evil. Have you ever met a group of drama
students?
bob
> I don't have a problem with parents being allowed to send their kids to a
to
> send their kids to a religious school if they believe that is what is best
> for them.
I have no problem with it.
I do, however, have a problem with state funding for such endeavours.
-bob
Archangel
--
Stand up for the champions
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Once again, a line used to make it appear that Catholic schools cost extra
money. If there were no Catholic schools, the remaining schools would need
to be bigger, or more built. Classroom sizes would be larger so we would
need more teachers. So the "stae funding" issue is a red herring.
Papa-Bear
"Archangel" <Archangel@paradise_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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..and this is the school system that you're holding up as a model - where
they don't even teach basic adjectives?
pb
TSG
>
>
> > If you had actually read the post properly, you would see i was
advocating
> > an end to a seperate catholic schooling system.
>
> ..I did and you weren't...
>
>
> pb
>
You obviously missed this bit:
"You are correct to say that the inability of the Scottish people
to tolerate others is exacerbated by Catholic schooling, because people who
attend these schools are seen as different. Accordingly, it does appear that
in fact Scottish Catholics do have the ability to bring an end to the
base bigotry which runs through Scottish society, by moving away from a
separate schooling system"
...but we all have our off days so I'll let it go this time.
ZB
Made a lot more sense than normal ;-)
stuart graham
wrote:
Go on, answer it, it might be mildly grammatically mangled but you
know fine well what i mean.
Papa-Bear
..how kind...but really, since all you did was describe the current
situation, rather than advocate a solution or course of action, there's no
need...
pb
Papa-Bear
"stuart graham" <stu...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> On Tue, 6 May 2003 01:17:57 +0100, "Papa-Bear" <p...@railtrack.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"stuart graham" <stu...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >news:e7cdbvguo4gcverkl...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 5 May 2003 19:08:44 +0100, "Papa-Bear" <p...@railtrack.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have
politically
> >> >based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
> >>
> >> As an aside what is your opinion of schools that have a specialism?
> >> Are schools that specialise in technical subjects or drama or music as
> >> evil as Catholic schools in your world?
> >> --
> >
> >...Farm Boy!..welcome back, where *have* you been?..sewing seeds or
> >spreading bullshit?..I always get my agricultural calendar confused....in
> >any event, go away and rephrase the question and come back when it's
> >ready...
>
> Go on, answer it, it might be mildly grammatically mangled but you
> know fine well what i mean.
> --
...the grammar of the question, whilst inelegant, is not the issue...if you
have a serious question to ask, by all means pose it seriously and we shall
ruminate upon it...oh, and do try to avoid using 'catholic' as a substitute
for 'religious' schools, since the brand of religion is quite irrelevant...
pb
Papa-Bear
"ZB" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b98qlc$gsmf0$1...@ID-66527.news.dfncis.de...
...I think Ross is finally getting to grips with his Zen classes....
pb
ZB
you have actually
"in any event, go away and rephrase the question and come back when it's
ready"
does that sound familiar or are you going to try and convince me that was
you answering the question.
> so, since your refusal to answer the question was
> based on my supposed avoidance of your question, which as we've seen is
not
> valid, maybe you'll finally do it - do you or do you not believe that
pagan
> or Satanist schools should be publically funded?...it's not hard..yes or
> no...
Like I said, ask a sensible question and you'll get an answer.
Annoying isn't it?
LOL. You should try going to Turkey or Egypt and to see what it's like to be
indoctrinated with secularism
> > > > I'd say that's pretty
> > > > intolerant seeing that probably about 50% of the world's population
> are
> > > not
> > > > atheist.
> > >
> > > ...well, 99% of the world is political, so why don't we have
politically
> > > based teaching?...fancy trying to answer that one?...
> >
> > Once again, a quite ridiculous point. Are you honestly trying to compare
> > politics and religion.
>
> ...of course...what's the difference?...you'll find, if you care to study
> history even just a little, that they are very much the same - both of
them
> are control mechanisms...and in the case of religion, control mechanisms
of
> the basest and most primitive kind...
>
> ...let's recap..so far you've failed to explain why we should or shouldn't
> have schools for satanists and failed to explain why political schools are
> "ridiculous" but religious schools are desirable....
I actually said that religious schools are the choice of many people. You
can be free to send your kids to whatever school you want and a
Muslim/Catholic/Jewish parent who wants their children to be brought up in a
religious environment, not a school where religion is pigeon-holed into half
an hour per week, should have that right.
> it seems that what you
> want are schools for "others with strong convictions" - as long as these
> convictions are religious convictions, religious convictions of an
> "accepted" religion mind you, and not strong political convictions for
> example...having said that, since you avoid answering every question put
to
> you
Every question? Really? Anyway, this is something you excel at. Don't throw
your toys out of the pram when you get the same treatment.
> and since you don't seem to have an independent or considered thought
in
> your head it's hard to tell exactly what you do think...maybe if you
> answered a question every now and then we might actually get somewhere...
LOL. Mr Pot, I'd like you to meet my friend, Mr Kettle Black.
stuart graham
wrote:
The question is a serious one. You bracket religiously slanted
education with politically slanted education. It is therefore not
unreasonable to enquire as to your views on education that is slanted
towards other subjects. Now given that your argument appears to be
based largely on the absurdity of a Satanist School (though one might
suggest that the Rangers Academy has a similar effect.....) and a
political school i can understand why you might like to avoid real
world examples. So what is it? Do you consider anything other than the
exact same education for all to be harmful or is it simply the
teaching of religion you object to?
Ross
Mmm dont know what went wrong there .
Ross
afc
Papa-Bear
..it's really hard to know where to start with this, since you've managed to
grab the wrong end of every stick possible ...but ok, let's start at the
beginning with your term "religiously slanted education"...by seeking to
equate an entire separate school system based on religion with specialists
schools whose function is to teach certain subjects to a high standard you
are comparing apples and oranges in a way which is frankly ludicrous...drama
and music schools do not seek to teach only one type of music, do not
profess that only one type of music is *the* true music, the dance schools
do not deny equal employment rights to practicioners of jazz dance in
preference to those who practice classical dance, they do not insist that
children be able to sing and mime peeling an orange before being taught
arithmetic, geography or biology..nor has dance or music been the cause of
social division, violence and war since time began...we are not talking
about schools who teach specialist religions nor schools which specialise in
religion we are talking about minority schools which teach the same
curriculum as majority schools but whose reason for separation
is...is...hmmm..what exactly *is* their reason again?....oh that's right,
because they want to promote tolerance and harmony by insisting on
separation and inequality of rights...
..secondly, my argument is *not* based on the absurdity of Satanist Schools,
but rather the absurdity of claiming that everyone has the right to send
their children to the religious school of their choice, then to turn round
and deny that choice to Satanists or Pagans or indeed Atheists....my
viewpoint is that if we are going to have schools for one sect, we should
have them for all sects - you name it, Pagans, Heathans, Baptists, Mormons,
Seven Day bloody Adventists, the lot...
...and if you're going to have schools based on religion, why not schools
based on political philosophy?...many political movements, of both left and
right, have had at their core deeply held beliefs about how society can
function in a way that benefits its members best and about how people should
behave with and to one another and yet the idea of schools being divided
along lines of political is held up as ridiculous - although nobody as yet
has been able to explain quite why...
..and of course no Grahamesque post would be complete without the slide into
hyperbole and flight of fancy...I have no objection to the teaching of
religion as such - much as I find it distaseful- nor have I even hinted that
the exact same education for all is desirable, however there is a world of
difference in teaching religion as part of a national curriculum and
dividing our entire society along outdated, irrational and divisive
religious lines...
..oh, before I go..do you believe in dividing the school system according to
religion?
pb