On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 4:21:12 AM UTC-7, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>He went on to advocate the use of air power in Ireland against Sinn Fein
>members in 1920. He suggested to his war advisers that aeroplanes should
>be dispatched with orders to use “machine-gun fire or bombs” to “scatter
>and stampede them”.
Personally I don't see what's wrong with bombing enemy terrorists like SF/IRA, after all they bombed our children, but, like everything else in that message, it's a misrepresentation.
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/churchill-racist-war-criminal-tharoor/
'Bombing the Irish
As further evidence, Tharoor quotes Churchill’s suggestion that airplanes should use “machine-gun fire or bombs” against Irish revolutionaries in 1920. The document that contains that quotation says: “If they can be definitely located and identified from the air, I see no objection from a military point of view, and subject of course to the discretion of the Irish Government and of the authorities on the spot, to aeroplanes being dispatched with definite orders in each particular case to disperse them by machine gun fire or bombs, using of course no more force than is necessary to scatter and stampede them.”
Tharoor shies away from quoting the entire document because doing so would reveal Churchill’s prudence in phrases like “subject to discretion” and “no more force than necessary.” You do not have to be a trained historian to recognize Tharoor’s pattern of excerpting and isolating quotations from their context in order to support a sensational claim.'
>Several times in the 1920s various groups in the region now
>known as Iraq rose up against the British.
'various groups eh?' Shouldn't we call them their correct name, i.e.,
uncivilised tribes who were murdering British tax collectors, and
travelling Bishops? Shouldn't we point out that they'd lately
participated in the genocide of the Armenians?
>The air force was then put into
>action, indiscriminately bombing civilian areas so to subdue the population.
No, the RAF bombed the villages of the tribal Kurds - it wasn't indiscriminate.
Let's face it, the Kurds were awful at that stage of their history.
They originally survived by collecting protection money from
the hard-working Armenians but they'd murdered the Armenians,
thereby destroying their own livelihood.
>Churchill was also an advocate for the use of mustard and poison gases.
Another misrepresentation:
https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-160/leading-myths-churchill-advocated-the-first-use-of-lethal-gas/
>Whilst ‘Secretary for War and Air’ he advised that “the provision of
>some kind of asphyxiating bombs” should be used “for use in preliminary
>operations against turbulent tribes” in order to take control of Iraq.
Yes, Churchill wanted the RAF to stop bombing the beautifuk Kurds
with explosives and use tear gas. So you're deceitfully misrepresenting
Churchill because you're a POS.
"After the war, with Churchill at the War Office, Britain was faced with the question of using gas against rebel tribesmen in Northwest India and in Mesopotamia, now Iraq. It was never proposed to use chlorine or phosgene, but Churchill confused the matter when he used the general term “poison gas” in a departmental minute in 1919 (italics mine):"
``It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.``
Churchill minute. War Office, 12 May 1919. Martin Gilbert, ed., Winston S. Churchill, Companion Volume 4, Part 1 (London: Heinemann, 1977), 649.
"making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas"
Lachrymatory means 'causes tears' = tear gas.
I see Your Side uses tear gas.
https://www.reuters.com/world/indian-police-fire-tear-gas-protesting-farmers-enter-delhis-red-fort-2021-01-26/
Why is it a war crime for Churchill to want to use tear gas when Your Side uses it today?
>Churchill’s bombing of civilians in ‘Mesopotamia’ (Kurdistan and Iraq)
>was summed up by war criminal ‘Bomber Harris’:
Ha ha ha! He bombed your Nazi cities and now you are crying about
Dresden! Wait, it was Churchill that bombed Dresden; wait, no it was
Attlee! Your Side bombed Dresdumb and you are crying about war
crimes.
https://richardlangworth.com/churchill-bombing-dresden
>“The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means within 45
>minutes a full-sized village can be practically wiped out, and a third
>of its inhabitants killed or injured, by four or five machines which
>offer them no real target, no opportunity for glory as warriors, no
>effective means of escape”. — Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris.
No. That's not Churchill's bombing, which would have used tear gas instead of 'real bombing'.
Besides, you want to punish the British for the Tasmanian genocide,
so why not accept the above as punishment for the Armenian genocide?
Is it not the case that you are on the same side as the genocidal
tribal Kurds who want to kill christians?
>Western White CHRISTIAN FILTH is an EVIL VIRUS, which
>AFFLICTED this beautiful planet.
>
>The SOONER this EVIL RACE is ELIMINATED from this planet
>one way or the other, the better.
Funny, I thought Hindus were a peaceful group.
>When it came to his own fellow Brits he was less than
>complimentary
Yes, he was very criticial of British politicians, most of whom adored Hitler, in the 1930s.
For example, to Neville Chamberlain, he said
“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.'
- To Neville Chamberlain
Oh! it's _so_ uncomplimentary!
>and displayed a deep hatred for the working classes.
No, he didn't. He laid the foundations of the Welfare State with Lloyd-George.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_welfare_reforms
He was denounced by his fellow toffs as a 'class-traitor' for doing that.
>He suggested “100,000
>degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilised”.
Yes, eugenics was very popular one time.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left
"Such talk repels us now, but in the prewar era it was the common sense of the age. Most alarming, many of its leading advocates were found among the luminaries of the Fabian and socialist left, men and women revered to this day. Thus George Bernard Shaw could insist that "the only fundamental and possible socialism is the socialisation of the selective breeding of man", even suggesting, in a phrase that chills the blood, that defectives be dealt with by means of a "lethal chamber".
Now, where has mass sterilization actually occurred?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790
'During the 1975 Emergency - when civil liberties were suspended - Sanjay Gandhi, son of the former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, began what was described by many as a "gruesome campaign" to sterilise poor men. There were reports of police cordoning off villages and virtually dragging the men to surgery.
The campaign also made an appearance in Salman Rushdie's novel, Midnight's Children.
An astonishing 6.2 million Indian men were sterilised in just a year, which was "15 times the number of people sterilised by the Nazis", according to science journalist Mara Hvistendahl. Two thousand men died from botched operations.'
>for “tramps and wastrels there ought to be proper
>labour colonies where they could be sent”.
Oh isn't that horrifying.
>Very few in Britain know about the genocide in Bengal
>let alone how Churchill engineered it. Churchill’s hatred for
>Indians led to four million starving to death during the Bengal
>‘famine’ of 1943.
No it didn't - that was your Japanese allies.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2020/churchill-and-the-genocide-myth/
'The true facts about food shipments to Bengal, amply recorded in the British war cabinet and government of India archives, are that more than a million tons of grain arrived in Bengal between August 1943, when the war cabinet first realised the severity of the famine, and the end of 1944, when the famine had petered out. '
'This was food aid specifically sent to Bengal, much of it on Australian ships, despite strict food rationing in England and severe food shortages in newly-liberated southern Italy and Greece. As detailed in Andrew Roberts’s brilliant biography, far from seeking to starve India, Churchill and his cabinet sought every possible way to alleviate the suffering without undermining the war effort.'
>“I hate Indians. They are a beastly people
>with a beastly religion” he would say.
Seems like he only said it once, on the news that Your Side was betraying us.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2020/churchill-and-the-genocide-myth/
'the war cabinet sent its senior Labour minister, Sir Stafford Cripps, known for his friendship with Congress leaders. When the Cripps mission failed to meet their demand for immediate independence, Congress launched the Quit India movement of civil disobedience against the Raj and resolved to offer only passive resistance to the Japanese invasion.'
'On being informed of this in September 1942, an apoplectic Churchill exclaimed to Amery: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.” He was referring to Hinduism, rather than Islam, given loyal support for the war effort from the Muslim League. Churchill saw Gandhi’s decision to launch the Quit India movement in the middle of the war as a stab in the back when Britain most needed and deserved loyal support. '
More later.