HOT SPOT technology - your thoughts?
Dave -Turner
to enhance the enjoyment of watching cricket (as if it hasnt always been
good!), and you've gotta love stumpcam, snickometer, hawkeye, wagonwheel,
extreme slow-mo, tracker and so on for those insights into the more
interesting plays of the game, but this Hot Spot technology takes the cake
for my mind even though this is the first time they've ever used it
Anyone else think it should be brought into the 3rd umpires arsenal after it
has been tested and refined enough? More often than not its results seem to
be quite definitive and hard to dispute
Dave -Turner
Dave -Turner
"The state-of-the-art invention, which is most commonly used by the military
to track jet fighters and tanks, is 100 per cent accurate and shows whether
the ball has hit the bat, pad, glove or ground by utilising infra-red
technology."
http://www.9perth.com.au/News/item126.aspx
Only problem - the camera can only see objects that are facing it (as we've
seen when a bat is knicked and then the bat turns, hiding the 'hot spot').
If they used 3 cameras (the current one plus one on each side of the
ground - one for either handed batsman) then that should give a complete
view on each play ... ?
qar...@iprimus.com.au
Hot Spot is the biggest steaming pile of crap I have ever seen..
The only time it is of any worth is when the snick is extremely
obvious, in which case it is not needed.
The C9 buggers are ludicrous in their support of this junk. I remember
earlier in the series they used it as proof that a Pom (can't remember
who) had not got an edge when the edge of the bat was turned away from
the camera!! Stupefying.
If by "tested and refined" you mean abandoning it altogether and never
talking about it again, then I wholeheartedly agree.
Wog George
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popping crease and on both sides of the ground. It's ridiculous that the
third umpire has to contend with massive jumps between frames when
adjudicating a run out, while the appropriate technology is used for
entertainment purposes only.
--
George
"Strike me down while you can, but it won't make your dried up ovaries any
more fertile." - Eric Cartman - 3 May 2006
Wog George
"Dave -Turner" <d...@t.3.2.1> wrote in message
> btw, Hot Spot technology is so new even Wikipedia doesnt know about it ;)
>
>
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George
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Hardly - 11 October 2006
Gary Hunt
stop some of the diving bastards that I see every week, eg. van Persie,
Ronaldo, Robben and the list goes on.......... there's only one united!!!!!
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Dave -Turner
> stop some of the diving bastards that I see every week
Cicero
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On watching, I never thought that Strauss had edged in the first innings- a
very light touch. There was a slight change of passage and the ball changed
rotation. Yet the white spot reveals nothing. Snickometer (which I am not
reliant upon showed a feather edge). The umpire in my view made an excellent
decision on what he saw.
Gary Hunt
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>> Mr Packer the younger should export it into the English Premier League to
>> stop some of the diving bastards that I see every week
> You only need replays for that ;)
>
>
Mike Holmans
keyboard and brought forth:
>
>Dave -Turner wrote:
>> channel 9 have always tried to up the anti each year with new technologies
>> to enhance the enjoyment of watching cricket (as if it hasnt always been
>> good!), and you've gotta love stumpcam, snickometer, hawkeye, wagonwheel,
>> extreme slow-mo, tracker and so on for those insights into the more
>> interesting plays of the game, but this Hot Spot technology takes the cake
>> for my mind even though this is the first time they've ever used it
>>
>> Anyone else think it should be brought into the 3rd umpires arsenal after it
>> has been tested and refined enough? More often than not its results seem to
>> be quite definitive and hard to dispute
>
>Hot Spot is the biggest steaming pile of crap I have ever seen..
You haven't been reading Dave -Turner's posts, then?
Cheers,
Cheers,
Mike
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Dave -Turner
when there would've otherwise been a 50/50 doubt
qar...@iprimus.com.au
Please identify which 50/50 decisions were proven correct by hotspot.
qar...@iprimus.com.au
Strauss - that was it. I think the umpire made the correct decision
based purely on benefit of the doubt.
However, I would much rather trust Snicko that Hot Spot. To me, it
seems Hot Spot just isn't sensitive enough to pick up feather edges -
so what is the point? Several times this series the C9 comms have
argues over whether or not Hot Spot showed a white dot on the bat.
Hardly encouraging.
Remember when people were whining about home-ground umpires? So they
brought in the two neutral umps. Now what happens? People whine about
the umpiring. Brining in more tech will just give people more to whine
about.
Some people were just born to whine. Most of them are in this group.
Fred
> Remember when people were whining about home-ground umpires? So they
> brought in the two neutral umps. Now what happens? People whine about
> the umpiring. Brining in more tech will just give people more to whine
> about.
>
> Some people were just born to whine. Most of them are in this group.
This is very true. Some people will ignore all evidence that supports
a decision against their team no matter what happens and then call upon
the flimsiest of evidence to back up any dubious decisions in their
favour. People will never sit down and all dispassionately agree on
all sporting decisions, no matter what the technology available.
Dave -Turner
Thankyou for your scientific reasoning behind this military technology.
Dave -Turner
that the umpire was correct
Banter
Wouldn't that 100% accuracy claim apply only to positive decisions ? -
i.e.if a spot shows, the ball must have touched there.
However, is it not dubious, that such a claim could extend to the
negative case as well ?
A feather touch, literally, the ball scraping the varnish of(f) the
bat, might not generate enough heat to show up. Please comment -
boffins welcome.
Rod
>Anyone else think it should be brought into the 3rd umpires arsenal after it
>has been tested and refined enough? More often than not its results seem to
>be quite definitive and hard to dispute
I thought it was good for the Hussey appeal of bat pad because had the
ball come in contact with the face of the bat it would have left a
clear signature, which it didn't.
For edges, I'm not completely convinced. It needs a better resolution
and more coverage for it to be a tool I would rely on but it does show
promise.
Cheers,
Rod.
Wog George
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>
> Wouldn't that 100% accuracy claim apply only to positive decisions ? -
> i.e.if a spot shows, the ball must have touched there.
> However, is it not dubious, that such a claim could extend to the
> negative case as well ?
> A feather touch, literally, the ball scraping the varnish of(f) the
> bat, might not generate enough heat to show up. Please comment -
> boffins welcome.
>
>
spot means it definitely missed or not...
Cicero
>>
>>
> That's 100% accurate. A spot means it definitely hit. The absence of a
> spot means it definitely missed or not...
I guess so.
sdavmor
Brilliant! :-) I can't speak for asc and usc but it's very true of
rsc. Let's not move on until we've beaten every point of contention
to death, and then beaten the corpse some more.
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sdavmor
Yes. It shows a lot of promise. It certainly should be made
available to the TV umpire after it's been in use for a while.
Awesome Bro
So far it seems very impressive.
Combined with the Snicko, I can't see any excuse for umpires to misrule
on bat/pads, nicks and outside edges. Should be a routine check in
every instance.
Put it this way, if you see an edge on Hot Spot and a spike on the
snickometer, or the converse, how can you make a convincing case
against it?
Next stop, LBWs.
AB
Bob Dubery
Dave -Turner wrote:
> channel 9 have always tried to up the anti each year with new technologies
> to enhance the enjoyment of watching cricket (as if it hasnt always been
> good!), and you've gotta love stumpcam, snickometer, hawkeye, wagonwheel,
> extreme slow-mo, tracker and so on for those insights into the more
> interesting plays of the game,
Weren't some of these innovations introduced by other broadcasters?
United Road
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Ch 9 invented tv and every innovation since.Didn't you know that?
Hawkeye was in use in the UK before it came to Australia.
Don't know about the others.
United Road
Dave -Turner
'mark' then it DEFINATELY hit, but if it's inconclusive then no problems -
leave it up to the third umpire to make the decision as it is currently
based.
Dave -Turner
> Combined with the Snicko
could easily show the snicko while they're showing the hot spot vision too
Wog George
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snicko wave at the same time should probably be sufficient in 90% of tough
decisions. It's much better than what we currently have, which is an
umpire's guess.
--
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Bob Connor
"Dave -Turner" <d...@t.3.2.1> wrote in message
> channel 9 have always tried to up the anti each year with new technologies
> to enhance the enjoyment of watching cricket (as if it hasnt always been
> good!), and you've gotta love stumpcam, snickometer, hawkeye, wagonwheel,
> extreme slow-mo, tracker and so on for those insights into the more
> for my mind even though this is the first time they've ever used it
>
> Anyone else think it should be brought into the 3rd umpires arsenal after
> it has been tested and refined enough? More often than not its results
> seem to be quite definitive and hard to dispute
How complicated and boring do you want to make the game?
Stop the game while we check every disputed decision!
That's the beauty of the game, the human influence of the umpires decision.
Some go your way some don't.
How mechanical do you want cricket to be?
These things are great from the viewers point of view but let's leave the
game alone.
Very rarely does an umpire's mistake have a major impact on the game.
Bob Connor
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Stupid double posting!
David North
How do you know? There's no way of knowing what would have happened if the
umpire had made the correct decision (unless it would have ended the match).
When a batsman is incorrectly given not out, we can make a reasonable
estimate of the impact, but we cannot be sure; in the case of a batsman
wrongly being given out, there is often no way of knowing if he would have
been out next ball or made another 200.
--
David North
sdavmor
If a batsmen is struggling a bad decision might have little real
impact in terms of lost runs, but if he's got his eye in and is
starting to carry the attack to the bowlers, or is already plundering
them, then the likely cost in this series which has had some pretty
nice batting wickets is substantial.
I have a very strong suspicion that at least one of the rotten
decisions Strauss received have directly impacted this series. In
fact I'm certain that (all other things being equal and there wasn't
some other harebrained decision coming or ooooh-lets-ram-the-iceberg
disaster) the 2nd test would have been a draw but for Rudi's crap
bat+pad decision when he was in the mid 30s. Of course, even without
this bad decision, the innings might have been saved had the Bell
runout cockup not happened.
The other two very iffy decisions Strauss got were the caught behind
in the low 40s in I1 of the 3rd test and the no-shot-offered LBW in
I2. I can accept the LBW because not to play the ball is to invite
LBW disaster, but the caught behind, when he was just getting going
and showing good form could have lopped off a substantial innings for
England. Not necessarily a ton, but enough that England might have
managed a lead of some sort that mattered.
Oh well. On the whole I've been impressed with the umpiring in this
series, so my comments about Strauss' dismissals shouldn't be read as
a WhinyPomMakesExcusesForLosing rant.
Wog George
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>
<snip>
>
> Oh well. On the whole I've been impressed with the umpiring in this
> series, so my comments about Strauss' dismissals shouldn't be read as a
> WhinyPomMakesExcusesForLosing rant.
>
Would "WhinyExPatPomMakesExcusesForLosing rant" be more appropriate?
--
George
"If I don't see you in the future, I'll see you in the past" - Tommy Bolin -
Melbourne 1975
Banter
Dave -Turner wrote:
> btw, Hot Spot technology is so new even Wikipedia doesnt know about it ;)
But it does, in a different incarnation. Hot Spot minus the gloss is
actually thermal
imaging technology, and has been popular with Hollywood for quite some
time already,
and doubtless even longer with the military.
Try "infrared sensor" or "thermographic camera" on Wikipedia for the
low-down.
sdavmor
> "sdavmor" <sda...@fakeemailaddy.com> wrote in message
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>
> <snip>
>> Oh well. On the whole I've been impressed with the umpiring in this
>> series, so my comments about Strauss' dismissals shouldn't be read as a
>> WhinyPomMakesExcusesForLosing rant.
>>
>
> Would "WhinyExPatPomMakesExcusesForLosing rant" be more appropriate?
Ta daH!
Top drawer jab, Wog! You stumped me cleanly on that one. Or more
correctly caught me bat and pad when I never touched it.
Grinner
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> channel 9 have always tried to up the anti each year with new technologies
> to enhance the enjoyment of watching cricket (as if it hasnt always been
> good!), and you've gotta love stumpcam, snickometer, hawkeye, wagonwheel,
> extreme slow-mo, tracker and so on for those insights into the more
> interesting plays of the game, but this Hot Spot technology takes the cake
> for my mind even though this is the first time they've ever used it
>
> Anyone else think it should be brought into the 3rd umpires arsenal after
> it has been tested and refined enough? More often than not its results
> seem to be quite definitive and hard to dispute
>
It has been good to watch and so has the unpiring this series. I can only
count two mistakes in three tests, so the technology hasn't been necessary
as yet, but sure, use whatever gives the most accurate result.
mick_liubinskas
umpires. I really think the umpires do an amazing job and obviously
only get there through experience, but there is definitely times when
it would be more accurate to know.
However, I'm glad they don't. I think the uncertainty is a part of the
game.
Off topic - in football/soccer, I think post game bans for diving
should be used. Not sure if there is the same need in Cricket. Hard to
fool the ump.
Mick
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Bob Connor
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> It's fairly surprising that Cricket isn't using more technology for
> umpires. I really think the umpires do an amazing job and obviously
> only get there through experience, but there is definitely times when
> it would be more accurate to know.
>
> However, I'm glad they don't. I think the uncertainty is a part of the
> game.
At last some sanity. Leave the game alone, let the umpires on the ground
decide.
Fair enough with the runout decisions going to the 3rd umpire but leave the
rest alone.
It will get to the stage that you could virtually do away with the umpires
altogether and just allow the TVcommentary team make the decisions.
Mad Hamish
A only question there is whether, say, bat clipping back pad would
also show as a spot...
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