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chandelle
Oct 3, 2020, 6:54:34 AM10/3/20
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There's a ladies' ODI in Brisbane, IPL in the UAE and Vitality in England... 54N to 27S latitude! Quite remarkable that an outdoor sport like cricket is being played competitively at such varied places on the globe concurrently. If anything is on in NZ's south island, it'd make for even greater contrast in Wx terms.
David North
Oct 3, 2020, 3:47:41 PM10/3/20
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On 03/10/2020 11:54, chandelle wrote:
> There's a ladies' ODI in Brisbane, IPL in the UAE and Vitality in England... 54N to 27S latitude! Quite remarkable that an outdoor sport like cricket is being played competitively at such varied places on the globe concurrently. If anything is on in NZ's south island, it'd make for even greater contrast in Wx terms.
New Zealand has played three home Tests in early April: two in 2005 and
> There's a ladies' ODI in Brisbane, IPL in the UAE and Vitality in England... 54N to 27S latitude! Quite remarkable that an outdoor sport like cricket is being played competitively at such varied places on the globe concurrently. If anything is on in NZ's south island, it'd make for even greater contrast in Wx terms.
one in 2009. All were on the North Island though - Wellington (2) and
Napier. In 2005, a CC match at Old Trafford started on the 3rd day of
the Wellington Test (13 Apr).
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Big Al
Oct 3, 2020, 4:09:18 PM10/3/20
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Big Al
max.it
Oct 3, 2020, 4:21:15 PM10/3/20
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maybe the odd league tidying up fixtures on a weekend that seeped into
October is not uncommon, but not the FC game and top limited overs
formats.
There is a wee club match in England that plays on new years day. They
play until a wicket falls or something and then they pull stumps until
the next new years day. Can't remember the name of the clubs involved.
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John Hall
Oct 3, 2020, 4:54:17 PM10/3/20
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In message <240e241a-1a53-4181...@googlegroups.com>, Big
Al <globe...@hotmail.com> writes
Mark Butcher is one of the Sky team covering Finals Day, and looking at
the rain he said there was a good reason why top-level cricket hadn't
been played in England in October for the last 156 years. That would
take us back to 1864, so I looked up the season on CricketArchive, being
sad enough to be a subscriber. Sure enough, I found that the final f-c
match of the season was:
06 Oct 1864, Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire v Kent and Nottinghamshire, R
Cotton's Ground, Newmarket.
Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire won by an innings and 4 runs. This was
during the brief period when Cambridgeshire were strong enough to be
retrospectively reckoned a f-c county. Even allowing for the fact that
overs were of 4 balls back then, the scoring rate seems to have been
pretty funereal. K&N 1st innings 84 in 64.1 overs, C and Y 1st innings
145 in 99.1 overs, K&N 2nd innings 57 in 44 overs.
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Al <globe...@hotmail.com> writes
the rain he said there was a good reason why top-level cricket hadn't
been played in England in October for the last 156 years. That would
take us back to 1864, so I looked up the season on CricketArchive, being
sad enough to be a subscriber. Sure enough, I found that the final f-c
match of the season was:
06 Oct 1864, Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire v Kent and Nottinghamshire, R
Cotton's Ground, Newmarket.
Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire won by an innings and 4 runs. This was
during the brief period when Cambridgeshire were strong enough to be
retrospectively reckoned a f-c county. Even allowing for the fact that
overs were of 4 balls back then, the scoring rate seems to have been
pretty funereal. K&N 1st innings 84 in 64.1 overs, C and Y 1st innings
145 in 99.1 overs, K&N 2nd innings 57 in 44 overs.
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John Hall
You can divide people into two categories:
those who divide people into two categories and those who don't
Andy Walker
Oct 4, 2020, 5:49:55 AM10/4/20
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On 03/10/2020 21:51, John Hall wrote:
> [...] Sure enough, I
Not quite the same thing, but the tour of George Parr's team
to NAmerica set out from Liverpool on the 7th September, 1859, at the
conclusion of the main season, landed at Quebec on the 22nd September,
and started their first match on 24th September. The last match ended
on the 25th October, and they started back on 29th October, reaching
Liverpool on 11th November. So basically they were playing for most
of October. In terms of class, it was a reasonably representative
touring party [much more so than the first tours to Oz, inc that that
played the first Test], being a mix of six of the All-England XI and
six of the rival United All-England XI. The opposition, of course,
was relatively weak.
AIUI, it was fairly normal in those days for the touring XIs
to continue as long as they could, and certainly to the end of
September. If they found themselves in Little Muggleton and it was
a nice day, then why not? There was money to be made ....
> Even allowing for the fact
> that overs were of 4 balls back then, the scoring rate seems to have
> been pretty funereal. K&N 1st innings 84 in 64.1 overs, C and Y 1st
> innings 145 in 99.1 overs, K&N 2nd innings 57 in 44 overs.
Yes, I think that was pretty normal for those days. On the
afore-mentioned tour, Jackson bowled 238 overs for 142 runs and 50
wickets, Wisden 199-186-58, Grundy 88-49-16 in the main matches.
Somewhat later, Shaw conceded less than one run per over over his
entire career [which extended into the 5-ball over era]. I don't
suppose the spectators were looking to see many boundaries, as they
hadn't been invented yet .... You paid your sixpence to see your
local heroes playing against the best in the country, not to see
fast scoring!
[Dates and statistics from Scott Reeves excellent "The
Champion Band", full of fascinating information about cricket
and baseball in the USA and Canada in that period.]
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Herold
> [...] Sure enough, I
> found that the final f-c match of the season was:
> 06 Oct 1864, Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire v Kent and Nottinghamshire,
> R Cotton's Ground, Newmarket.
> Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire won by an innings and 4 runs. [...]
> 06 Oct 1864, Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire v Kent and Nottinghamshire,
> R Cotton's Ground, Newmarket.
Not quite the same thing, but the tour of George Parr's team
to NAmerica set out from Liverpool on the 7th September, 1859, at the
conclusion of the main season, landed at Quebec on the 22nd September,
and started their first match on 24th September. The last match ended
on the 25th October, and they started back on 29th October, reaching
Liverpool on 11th November. So basically they were playing for most
of October. In terms of class, it was a reasonably representative
touring party [much more so than the first tours to Oz, inc that that
played the first Test], being a mix of six of the All-England XI and
six of the rival United All-England XI. The opposition, of course,
was relatively weak.
AIUI, it was fairly normal in those days for the touring XIs
to continue as long as they could, and certainly to the end of
September. If they found themselves in Little Muggleton and it was
a nice day, then why not? There was money to be made ....
> Even allowing for the fact
> that overs were of 4 balls back then, the scoring rate seems to have
> been pretty funereal. K&N 1st innings 84 in 64.1 overs, C and Y 1st
> innings 145 in 99.1 overs, K&N 2nd innings 57 in 44 overs.
afore-mentioned tour, Jackson bowled 238 overs for 142 runs and 50
wickets, Wisden 199-186-58, Grundy 88-49-16 in the main matches.
Somewhat later, Shaw conceded less than one run per over over his
entire career [which extended into the 5-ball over era]. I don't
suppose the spectators were looking to see many boundaries, as they
hadn't been invented yet .... You paid your sixpence to see your
local heroes playing against the best in the country, not to see
fast scoring!
[Dates and statistics from Scott Reeves excellent "The
Champion Band", full of fascinating information about cricket
and baseball in the USA and Canada in that period.]
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Herold
David North
Oct 4, 2020, 9:36:18 AM10/4/20
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On 03/10/2020 21:51, John Hall wrote:
other in a 5th county must be rare.
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David North
Mike Holmans
Oct 4, 2020, 10:06:45 AM10/4/20
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 14:36:14 +0100, David North
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>In addition to playing in October, two pairs of counties playing each
>other in a 5th county must be rare.
Is this the first time Warks haven't made T20 Finals day, then?
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>In addition to playing in October, two pairs of counties playing each
>other in a 5th county must be rare.
Cheers,
Mike
John Hall
Oct 4, 2020, 12:44:42 PM10/4/20
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In message <rlc5rt$1b7n$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Walker
<a...@cuboid.co.uk> writes
been a big factor. Without modern mowing equipment, I'd imagine that the
grass tended to be a fair bit longer.
<a...@cuboid.co.uk> writes
>On 03/10/2020 21:51, John Hall wrote:
<snip>
>> Even allowing for the fact
>> that overs were of 4 balls back then, the scoring rate seems to have
>> been pretty funereal. K&N 1st innings 84 in 64.1 overs, C and Y 1st
>> innings 145 in 99.1 overs, K&N 2nd innings 57 in 44 overs.
>
> Yes, I think that was pretty normal for those days. On the
>afore-mentioned tour, Jackson bowled 238 overs for 142 runs and 50
>wickets, Wisden 199-186-58, Grundy 88-49-16 in the main matches.
>Somewhat later, Shaw conceded less than one run per over over his
>entire career [which extended into the 5-ball over era]. I don't
>suppose the spectators were looking to see many boundaries, as they
>hadn't been invented yet .... You paid your sixpence to see your
>local heroes playing against the best in the country, not to see
>fast scoring!
>
> [Dates and statistics from Scott Reeves excellent "The
>Champion Band", full of fascinating information about cricket
>and baseball in the USA and Canada in that period.]
>
I've never seen it mentioned, but I wonder if slow outfields might have
>> that overs were of 4 balls back then, the scoring rate seems to have
>> been pretty funereal. K&N 1st innings 84 in 64.1 overs, C and Y 1st
>> innings 145 in 99.1 overs, K&N 2nd innings 57 in 44 overs.
>
> Yes, I think that was pretty normal for those days. On the
>afore-mentioned tour, Jackson bowled 238 overs for 142 runs and 50
>wickets, Wisden 199-186-58, Grundy 88-49-16 in the main matches.
>Somewhat later, Shaw conceded less than one run per over over his
>entire career [which extended into the 5-ball over era]. I don't
>suppose the spectators were looking to see many boundaries, as they
>hadn't been invented yet .... You paid your sixpence to see your
>local heroes playing against the best in the country, not to see
>fast scoring!
>
> [Dates and statistics from Scott Reeves excellent "The
>Champion Band", full of fascinating information about cricket
>and baseball in the USA and Canada in that period.]
>
been a big factor. Without modern mowing equipment, I'd imagine that the
grass tended to be a fair bit longer.
John Hall
Oct 4, 2020, 12:44:43 PM10/4/20
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In message <htu1ef...@mid.individual.net>, David North
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
that Newmarket is right on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk.
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
>On 03/10/2020 21:51, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <240e241a-1a53-4181...@googlegroups.com>,
>>Big Al <globe...@hotmail.com> writes
>>> On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 8:47:41 PM UTC+1, David North wrote:
>>>> On 03/10/2020 11:54, chandelle wrote:
>>>> > There's a ladies' ODI in Brisbane, IPL in the UAE and Vitality in
>>>> >England... 54N to 27S latitude! Quite remarkable that an outdoor
>>>> >sport like cricket is being played competitively at such varied
>>>> >places on the globe concurrently. If anything is on in NZ's south
>>>> >island, it'd make for even greater contrast in Wx terms.
>>>> New Zealand has played three home Tests in early April: two in 2005 and
>>>> one in 2009. All were on the North Island though - Wellington (2) and
>>>> Napier. In 2005, a CC match at Old Trafford started on the 3rd day of
>>>> the Wellington Test (13 Apr).
>>>>
>>>> -- David North
>>>
>>> With the T20 dragging on into October, does that represent the
>>>latest that top level cricket has been played in this country? I know
>>>there are clubs like Cross Arrows who play into October but I can't
>> In message <240e241a-1a53-4181...@googlegroups.com>,
>>Big Al <globe...@hotmail.com> writes
>>> On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 8:47:41 PM UTC+1, David North wrote:
>>>> On 03/10/2020 11:54, chandelle wrote:
>>>> > There's a ladies' ODI in Brisbane, IPL in the UAE and Vitality in
>>>> >England... 54N to 27S latitude! Quite remarkable that an outdoor
>>>> >sport like cricket is being played competitively at such varied
>>>> >places on the globe concurrently. If anything is on in NZ's south
>>>> >island, it'd make for even greater contrast in Wx terms.
>>>> New Zealand has played three home Tests in early April: two in 2005 and
>>>> one in 2009. All were on the North Island though - Wellington (2) and
>>>> Napier. In 2005, a CC match at Old Trafford started on the 3rd day of
>>>> the Wellington Test (13 Apr).
>>>>
>>>> -- David North
>>>
>>> With the T20 dragging on into October, does that represent the
>>>latest that top level cricket has been played in this country? I know
>>>there are clubs like Cross Arrows who play into October but I can't
>>>counties ever having done so.
>>>
>>> Big Al
>> Mark Butcher is one of the Sky team covering Finals Day, and looking
>>at the rain he said there was a good reason why top-level cricket
>>hadn't been played in England in October for the last 156 years. That
>>would take us back to 1864, so I looked up the season on
>>CricketArchive, being sad enough to be a subscriber. Sure enough, I
>>found that the final f-c match of the season was:
>> 06 Oct 1864, Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire v Kent and
>>Nottinghamshire, R Cotton's Ground, Newmarket.
>
>In addition to playing in October, two pairs of counties playing each
>other in a 5th county must be rare.
>
According to Wikipedia, the ground is/was in Cambridgeshire. I believe
>>>
>>> Big Al
>> Mark Butcher is one of the Sky team covering Finals Day, and looking
>>at the rain he said there was a good reason why top-level cricket
>>hadn't been played in England in October for the last 156 years. That
>>would take us back to 1864, so I looked up the season on
>>CricketArchive, being sad enough to be a subscriber. Sure enough, I
>>found that the final f-c match of the season was:
>> 06 Oct 1864, Cambridgeshire and Yorkshire v Kent and
>>Nottinghamshire, R Cotton's Ground, Newmarket.
>
>In addition to playing in October, two pairs of counties playing each
>other in a 5th county must be rare.
>
that Newmarket is right on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk.
Mike Holmans
Oct 4, 2020, 1:08:58 PM10/4/20
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??On Sun, 04 Oct 2020 15:06:42 +0100, Mike Holmans <sp...@jackalope.uk>
wrote:
Sorry, I misconstrued your comment. It's surely pretty rare for pairs
of counties to play each other anyway.
Cheers,
Mike
wrote:
of counties to play each other anyway.
Cheers,
Mike
max.it
Oct 4, 2020, 1:18:09 PM10/4/20
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 17:39:05 +0100, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:
People have been cutting grass for as long as there has been grass to
cut. The difference with modern machines is that they are powered, the
method of shearing has been the same since forever, or at least since
they quit using sheep.
wrote:
cut. The difference with modern machines is that they are powered, the
method of shearing has been the same since forever, or at least since
they quit using sheep.
David North
Oct 4, 2020, 1:44:28 PM10/4/20
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> I believe
> that Newmarket is right on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk.
Suffolk surrounded by Cambridgeshire. See map at
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Newmarket
The grey dotted line is the present-day boundary, while the red dotted
line must be a historical boundary.
Wikipedia also says that the ground is know today as The Severals.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Exning
If you zoom in on that map, you will find it marked. According to that,
it is in the parish of Exning.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/newmarket.html
That page shows that, while the two Newmarket parishes were transferred
from Cambridgeshire to Suffolk in 1889, Exning was always in Suffolk
(since 1837 at least).
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David North
Big Al
Oct 5, 2020, 4:55:10 PM10/5/20
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> > that Newmarket is right on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk.
> Yes, the majority of Newmarket is in what is almost a detached part of
> Suffolk surrounded by Cambridgeshire. See map at
>
> https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Newmarket
>
> The grey dotted line is the present-day boundary, while the red dotted
> line must be a historical boundary.
>
> Wikipedia also says that the ground is know today as The Severals.
>
> https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Exning
>
> If you zoom in on that map, you will find it marked. According to that,
> it is in the parish of Exning.
>
> https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/newmarket.html
>
> That page shows that, while the two Newmarket parishes were transferred
> from Cambridgeshire to Suffolk in 1889, Exning was always in Suffolk
> (since 1837 at least).
>
> --
> David North
Big Al
David North
Oct 6, 2020, 3:13:57 AM10/6/20
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On 05/10/2020 21:55, Big Al wrote:
>
>>> that Newmarket is right on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk.
>> Yes, the majority of Newmarket is in what is almost a detached part of
>> Suffolk surrounded by Cambridgeshire. See map at
>>
>> https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Newmarket
>>
>> The grey dotted line is the present-day boundary, while the red dotted
>> line must be a historical boundary.
>>
>> Wikipedia also says that the ground is know today as The Severals.
>>
>> https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Exning
>>
>> If you zoom in on that map, you will find it marked. According to that,
>> it is in the parish of Exning.
>>
>> https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/newmarket.html
>>
>> That page shows that, while the two Newmarket parishes were transferred
>> from Cambridgeshire to Suffolk in 1889, Exning was always in Suffolk
>> (since 1837 at least).
>
>>> that Newmarket is right on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk.
>> Yes, the majority of Newmarket is in what is almost a detached part of
>> Suffolk surrounded by Cambridgeshire. See map at
>>
>> https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Newmarket
>>
>> The grey dotted line is the present-day boundary, while the red dotted
>> line must be a historical boundary.
>>
>> Wikipedia also says that the ground is know today as The Severals.
>>
>> https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Exning
>>
>> If you zoom in on that map, you will find it marked. According to that,
>> it is in the parish of Exning.
>>
>> https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/newmarket.html
>>
>> That page shows that, while the two Newmarket parishes were transferred
>> from Cambridgeshire to Suffolk in 1889, Exning was always in Suffolk
>> (since 1837 at least).
> Isn't it the Cesarewitch that starts in one county and finishes in the other? Pretty sure that's the only race that uses the full length of the course at Newmarket.
That looks about right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newmarket_Racecourse
The Devil's Dyke is the boundary, so any race over 1m 2f that finishes
on the Rowley Mile course crosses from Cambridgeshire to Suffolk.
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David North
John Hall
Oct 6, 2020, 5:22:16 AM10/6/20
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In message <0b5954ce-b5e7-400f...@googlegroups.com>, Big
Al <globe...@hotmail.com> writes
>
I think it's the Cambridgeshire. Hence the race's name. (But maybe the
Cesarewitch does too.)
Al <globe...@hotmail.com> writes
>
Cesarewitch does too.)
David North
Oct 6, 2020, 8:54:46 AM10/6/20
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"John Hall" <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:seESM7AnZDffFwqF@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
Looking at the list of notable races at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newmarket_Racecourse,
the Cambridgeshire is run over 1m 1f on the Rowley Mile, so entirely in
Suffolk! However, it was established in 1839, when it would have been in
Cambridgeshire.
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David North
news:seESM7AnZDffFwqF@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newmarket_Racecourse,
the Cambridgeshire is run over 1m 1f on the Rowley Mile, so entirely in
Suffolk! However, it was established in 1839, when it would have been in
Cambridgeshire.
--
David North
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