The provisional Academy squad
Robert Henderson
Kadeer Ali (Worcestershire)
Simon Francis (Somerset)
Alex Gidman (Gloucestershire)
Will Jefferson (Essex)
Shaftab Khalid (Worcestershire)
Michael Lumb (Yorkshire)
Tom Lungley (Derbyshire)
Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
Philip Mustard (Durham)
Graham Napier (Essex)
Kevin Pietersen (Nottinghamshire)
Matthew Prior (Sussex)
Bilal Shafayat (Nottinghamshire)
James Tredwell (Kent)
Graham Wagg (Warwickshire)
A truly bizarre selection.
Marsh appears to have selected an under-25 squad - under 25 when the
season started. Marsh has overlooked these English under-25 players
with Championship experience - I exclude those such as Key who have
played for England at Test or ODI level and under-19 players:
Batsmen: Selwood, Gough, Pratt (G), Peng, Muchall, Lowe, Pearson,
Kenway, Adams, Francis (J), Louden, Banes, Rees, Maunders, Sadler,
Paynter, White, Powell, Welton, Wood (Somerset), Bell, Peters, Moore,
Craven, Fellows, Taylor, Richardson.
Wk: Pope, Gazzard, Clifford, Adshead, Guy.
Pace bowlers: Hunter, Davies, Hatch, Pattison, Bishop, McGarry,
Bressington, Hardinges, Bruce, Tremlett, Tomlinson, Brignull, Grove,
Whiley, Laraman, Andrew, Bulbeck, Murtagh, Liptrot, Bresnan,
Spin Bowlers: Dumelow, Wharton, Scott, Bridge, Phillips, Ferley,
Schofield, Dalrymple, Randall, McMahon, Nash, Spires.
Anyone care to explain to me on what cricketing grounds:
1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
Powall and White.
2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett, Laraman,
Bulbeck and Murtagh?
For a man who comes from a country which in its entire international
history has only played three non-whites in Tests/ODIs - Rex Sellars,
Dav Whatmore and Andrew Symonds - Marsh does seem remarkably keen on
selecting non-whites for England. RH
--
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Ed Morris
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Obsessed, bitter, twisted racist.
Ed Morris
Declan Murphy
> Kadeer Ali (Worcestershire)
> Simon Francis (Somerset)
> Alex Gidman (Gloucestershire)
> Will Jefferson (Essex)
> Shaftab Khalid (Worcestershire)
> Michael Lumb (Yorkshire)
> Tom Lungley (Derbyshire)
> Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
> Philip Mustard (Durham)
> Graham Napier (Essex)
> Kevin Pietersen (Nottinghamshire)
> Matthew Prior (Sussex)
> Bilal Shafayat (Nottinghamshire)
> James Tredwell (Kent)
> Graham Wagg (Warwickshire)
Solid looking team there. Lots of good English names too. Rod seems to
have chosen well.
Regards Declan,
Okazaki, Japan
Paul Beck
Ed. We must not challenge his views. He is being perfectly reasonable as
usual. And of course if we disagree with his assessment then it is us who
are in the wrong. We must not provide evidence that what he says is nonsense
and nor should he be required to provide any for any of his statements. Now
I know we both missed the classes at school that told us that we do not have
the right to express our opinions on this subject until we reach our late
fifties but that is no excuse whatsoever for our terrible behaviour. I for
one am turning over a new leaf, and I will start considering his views as
valid. You never know I may even begin to believe what he says is true if I
read his views enough times without responding. Oh what a wonderful,
peaceful, harmonious NG this would be. Robert could dominate every thread
with his views rather than just the 50 percent that he does now. It sounds
so appealing don't you think. Perhaps with a little persuasion you could be
converted too!
Paul
Robert Henderson
<declan...@hotmail.com> writes
>Regards Declan,
>Okazaki, Japan
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> Anyone care to explain to me on what cricketing grounds:
>>
>> 1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
>> Powall and White.
>>
>> 2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
>>
>> 3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett, Laraman,
>> Bulbeck and Murtagh?
>>
>> For a man who comes from a country which in its entire international
>> history has only played three non-whites in Tests/ODIs - Rex Sellars,
>> Dav Whatmore and Andrew Symonds - Marsh does seem remarkably keen on
>> selecting non-whites for England. RH
>> --
>
>
>Obsessed, bitter, twisted racist.
> Ed Morris
>
>
Ed Morris
> In article <4KSMa.6291$Ds....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
> <edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> > Anyone care to explain to me on what cricketing grounds:
> >>
> >> 1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
> >> Powall and White.
> >>
> >> 2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
> >>
> >> 3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett,
Laraman,
> >> Bulbeck and Murtagh?
> >>
> >> For a man who comes from a country which in its entire international
> >> history has only played three non-whites in Tests/ODIs - Rex Sellars,
> >> Dav Whatmore and Andrew Symonds - Marsh does seem remarkably keen on
> >> selecting non-whites for England. RH
> >> --
> >
> >
> >Obsessed, bitter, twisted racist.
> > Ed Morris
> >
> >
> I note you are unable to answer my questions. Saved for future use. RH
>
> --
who he thinks are the best players. You and I can debate it as we can the
selection of any national team but in the end we are merely arguing personal
opinion. Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of the
ones that you list? And on the subject of unanswered questions, simply
pointing at everyone else and accusing them of the things that you do isn't
good enough. I have answered all questions asked of me. I and the rest of
the NG await with bated breath your intelligent responses to all the
questions on above threads.
Ed Morris
rb
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
Rb
--
rb
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>> >
>> I note you are unable to answer my questions. Saved for future use. RH
>>
>> --
>My response to that is that I believe that RM has chosen a squad based upon
>who he thinks are the best players. You and I can debate it as we can the
>selection of any national team but in the end we are merely arguing personal
>opinion. Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of the
>ones that you list?
Political correctness. It makes no odds to Marsh whom he puts through
the Academy. He will not be there that long. If he fails to produce
players, he simply will say it because the players are not there. RH
> And on the subject of unanswered questions, simply
>pointing at everyone else and accusing them of the things that you do isn't
>good enough. I have answered all questions asked of me. I and the rest of
>the NG await with bated breath your intelligent responses to all the
>questions on above threads.
> Ed Morris
--
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>> >
>> >Obsessed, bitter, twisted racist.
>> > Ed Morris
>> >
>> >
>> I note you are unable to answer my questions. Saved for future use. RH
>>
>> --
>My response to that is that I believe that RM has chosen a squad based upon
>who he thinks are the best players. You and I can debate it as we can the
>selection of any national team but in the end we are merely arguing personal
>opinion. Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of the
>ones that you list? And on the subject of unanswered questions, simply
>pointing at everyone else and accusing them of the things that you do isn't
>good enough. I have answered all questions asked of me. I and the rest of
>the NG await with bated breath your intelligent responses to all the
>questions on above threads.
> Ed Morris
Waiting......
Waiting................
Waiting................................
Still Waiting........................................
Cricketislife!
> Ed. We must not challenge his views. He is being perfectly
> reasonable as usual. And of course if we disagree with his assessment
> then it is us who are in the wrong. We must not provide evidence that
>what> he says is nonsense and nor should he be required to provide any
>for any of> his statements.
Paul, I dont know whether that jab is at me, infact I dont think so but
anyway Let me clarify. My posting of the thread 'Is RH racist' was not
to dissuade you from questioning on what you think was questionable. All
I wrote was please use the word 'Racist' carefully and only when you are
really sure about its veracity cos it is such a dirty word in any book.
I am nobody to say what anybody should be posting here.
Infact I should not even posted that thread at all.
.
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Paul Beck
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> Paul Beck wrote:
> > Ed. We must not challenge his views. He is being perfectly
> > reasonable as usual. And of course if we disagree with his assessment
> > then it is us who are in the wrong. We must not provide evidence that
> >what> he says is nonsense and nor should he be required to provide any
> >for any of> his statements.
> --
>
> Paul, I dont know whether that jab is at me, infact I dont think so but
> anyway Let me clarify. My posting of the thread 'Is RH racist' was not
> to dissuade you from questioning on what you think was questionable. All
> I wrote was please use the word 'Racist' carefully and only when you are
> really sure about its veracity cos it is such a dirty word in any book.
>
> I am nobody to say what anybody should be posting here.
>
> Infact I should not even posted that thread at all.
Not a dig at you at all. There have been one or two contributors over the
last day or so who have questioned whether we should respond to these
continual postings which are against the 'spirit' of this ng even though not
actually against any specific rules. Henderson has himself suggested a
number of times in the last two days whether we have any right to question
what he is saying, so the dig was definitely aimed elsewhere. The reason I
got involved at all was that on the first day I viewed this ng there where a
whole host of blatantly racist remarks which had been posted by Henderson,
some of which could have been regarded as inciteful. I posted something
saying that I had expected this to be a cricket ng and what I found was
something that was littered with postings from an individual who was trying
to promote his extreme views at the slightest opportunity, some posts which
I found particularly offensive. 'He' specifically attacked me for saying so.
This was followed by a number of personal emails from regular contributors
on here telling me that what I had stumbled across was far from a new
phenomena and that in fact it has been the staple diet of this newsgroup for
a number of years now. Most of whom added that although they read this ng
regularly they no longer feel as though it is worth contributing because
more often than not Henderson turns the thread around and starts his
xenophobic and racist rantings. I genuinely hoped that I would find an
interesting and informative outlet for all things cricket, and in fairness
20% of this newsgroup is exactly that, but unfortunately the other 80% is
dominated by his unsavoury comments and quite frankly pathetic comments. If
people here cannot see he is systematically ruining this newsgroup in order
to promote his extreme views they must be blind. But I find it quite
extraordinary that a minority are prepared to put their name to posts saying
it is quite alright for him to promote his 'Nationalist' views on here and
what he says should be unchallenged. What I find incredible is that people
who want to talk cricket on here are put off contributing because of reading
his postings and apart from a handful of us who are prepared to openly
challenge him there is complete apathy, and even worse there are people who
think there is nothing wrong with him littering this newsgroup. To my mind
what he is doing on here is now completely out of hand and has gone well
beyond what is either rational or reasonable.
Paul
Ed Morris
For what? I have said that those players have been picked because Rodney
Marsh thinks that they are the best available to him. Which part of that
don't you understand?
Ed Morris
Matt Wheeler
Assuming, by Louden, you mean Alex Loudon (Kent), he's hardly played
any first team cricket for Kent. Although admittedly he has played a
fair bit for England at Under 14/15/17 & 19 levels.
>
> Spin Bowlers: Dumelow, Wharton, Scott, Bridge, Phillips, Ferley,
> Schofield, Dalrymple, Randall, McMahon, Nash, Spires.
>
Rob Ferley (Kent), is only playing his first ever first team game for
Kent this week, v Surrey. Given that, I hardly think its surprising
he's been overlooked, since his teammate Tredwell has been Kent's main
spinner so far this season (due to Patel's injury).
As with Loudon, Ferley has played some U19 and Durham UCCE matches,
but I can't see that its fair to base selection on that.
My understanding is the academy is for future England players who have
shown some promise at first class county level, not every single under
25 cricketer who has represented england at U19 (or earlier) level and
has played at least one first class match.
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> >
--
Declan Murphy
> In article <3F03FB47...@hotmail.com>, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> writes
>
>>Robert Henderson wrote:
>>
>>>Kadeer Ali (Worcestershire)
>>>Simon Francis (Somerset)
>>>Alex Gidman (Gloucestershire)
>>>Will Jefferson (Essex)
>>>Shaftab Khalid (Worcestershire)
>>>Michael Lumb (Yorkshire)
>>>Tom Lungley (Derbyshire)
>>>Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
>>>Philip Mustard (Durham)
>>>Graham Napier (Essex)
>>>Kevin Pietersen (Nottinghamshire)
>>>Matthew Prior (Sussex)
>>>Bilal Shafayat (Nottinghamshire)
>>>James Tredwell (Kent)
>>>Graham Wagg (Warwickshire)
>>
>>Solid looking team there. Lots of good English names too. Rod seems to
>>have chosen well.
>
> Only in terms of promoting the interests of Oz. RH
Nonsense. As Matt Wheeler has already pointed out, your preferences seem
to reflect a political agenda, not selection on merit. The Academy team
above looks very solid, and would probably beat a squad chosen from the
Australian Academy if the match was played in English conditions.
Marsh also appears to be following a similar policy to that when he
headed the Academy in Australia - choosing not just on ability, but on
player's mental strength and determination as well.
Regards Declan,
Okazaki, Japan
--
"Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
Dame Edna Everage
"If you have to explain satire to someone, you might as well give up,"
Barry Humphries
Cricketislife!
"Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
Dame Edna Everage
----------------------------------
Hmm, thats an interesting quote and very timely one for me. I was just
deciding to learn a foreign language (English is no more 'foreign' to
Indians!)and was deciding between Spanish and French. I was thinking of
settling on Spanish simply cos it sounded more exotic, but may be after
that quote, I shall may be try to learn French. Atleast that way I can
see and understand their movies, which r popular than spanish ones.
Anyone, any suggestions on which language to go for?? Declan what say
u?
Cricketislife!
'Is there life after Cricket? First go through cricket, to earn the
right to this unknown passage. Your discovery may be socially
incommunicable: an unplayable wicket'.
Marvin Cohen
'Stranger's Gallery' (1974)
Robert Henderson
<sp...@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> writes
But what about the likes of Kenway, Gough, Muchall, Wood, Peters and
Bell? Why not explain why they have all been overlooked? RH
>
>>
>> Spin Bowlers: Dumelow, Wharton, Scott, Bridge, Phillips, Ferley,
>> Schofield, Dalrymple, Randall, McMahon, Nash, Spires.
>>
>
>Rob Ferley (Kent), is only playing his first ever first team game for
>Kent this week, v Surrey.
Shaftab Khalid (Worcestershire) has just played his one and only CC
match for Worcs so h has the same county experience as Ferley, who also
has FC experience with Durham UCCE. Strange how you don't rule him out.
And what about spinners such as Schofield, Wharton and Bridge who have a
good deal of county experience? Or what about the immensely promising
allround Jamie Dalrymple? Not a peep out of you about them. RH
>Given that, I hardly think its surprising
>he's been overlooked, since his teammate Tredwell has been Kent's main
>spinner so far this season (due to Patel's injury).
>As with Loudon, Ferley has played some U19 and Durham UCCE matches,
>but I can't see that its fair to base selection on that.
>
>My understanding is the academy is for future England players who have
>shown some promise at first class county level
Which rules out Khalid, Kadeer (15 innings at the start of the season
with an average of 5), and Mahmood (3 or 4 four games) all of whom
have barely played any CC cricket. RH
>, not every single under
>25 cricketer who has represented england at U19 (or earlier) level and
>has played at least one first class match.
>
I never suggested it did. I was merely giving the field based on Marsh's
selection parameters. RH
Ed Morris
Ed Morris
Matt Wheeler
This is a guess, but maybe Marsh doesn't feel any of the above would
gain anything from going to the Academy. Perhaps he has seen flaws in
their technique that mean they would be quickly "found out" at
test/ODI level.
> >
> >Rob Ferley (Kent), is only playing his first ever first team game
for
> >Kent this week, v Surrey.
>
> Shaftab Khalid (Worcestershire) has just played his one and only CC
> match for Worcs so h has the same county experience as Ferley, who
also
> has FC experience with Durham UCCE. Strange how you don't rule him
out.
> And what about spinners such as Schofield, Wharton and Bridge who
have a
> good deal of county experience? Or what about the immensely
promising
> allround Jamie Dalrymple? Not a peep out of you about them. RH
>
Ok.
As i know very little about any of the other players on your list, I
thought it not appropriate to comment about them specifically,
therefore I commented on the two I know something about, firstly to
show their unsuitability for the academy squad, and also to illustrate
that the same/similar reasons may well apply to the other members of
your list.
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>> >For what? I have said that those players have been picked because Rodney
>> >Marsh thinks that they are the best available to him. Which part of that
>> >don't you understand?
>> > Ed Morris
>> >
>> > Waiting......
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Waiting................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Waiting................................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Still Waiting........................................
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >
>>
>Tell me what you're waiting for that I haven't answered and I'll answer.
> Ed Morris
>
Anyone care to explain to me on what cricketing grounds:
1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
Powall and White.
2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett, Laraman,
Bulbeck and Murtagh?
Declan Murphy
> Hmm, thats an interesting quote and very timely one for me. I was just
> deciding to learn a foreign language (English is no more 'foreign' to
> Indians!)and was deciding between Spanish and French. I was thinking of
> settling on Spanish simply cos it sounded more exotic, but may be after
> that quote, I shall may be try to learn French. Atleast that way I can
> see and understand their movies, which r popular than spanish ones.
>
> Anyone, any suggestions on which language to go for?? Declan what say
> u?
Japanese of course. Home of the world's most fanatical cricket
supporters. Not.
Regards Declan,
Okazaki, Japan
--
"Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
Dame Edna Everage
"If you have to explain satire to someone, you might as well give up,"
Barry Humphries
jim brant
> Declan Murphy wrote:
> "Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
> Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
> care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
> The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
> least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
>
> Dame Edna Everage
> ----------------------------------
>
> Hmm, thats an interesting quote and very timely one for me. I was just
> deciding to learn a foreign language (English is no more 'foreign' to
> Indians!)and was deciding between Spanish and French. I was thinking of
> settling on Spanish simply cos it sounded more exotic, but may be after
> that quote, I shall may be try to learn French. Atleast that way I can
> see and understand their movies, which r popular than spanish ones.
>
> Anyone, any suggestions on which language to go for?? Declan what say
> u?
>
literature, then go for French. But if you want something that's useful in
terms of communicating with other people, then it has to be Spanish or
Chinese. Since the latter is too difficult, Spanish is the obvious choice.
Learning French today is a bit like learning Latin in the 19th century, but
not as useful - how many places could you go to where French is the first
language? And I doubt whether it is the second language anywhere, except
perhaps Kent. With English and Spanish you would have the best chance of
having a stranger's first or second language, I would think.
Jim
Ed Morris
> In article <o59Na.3428$T4....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
> <edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> >
> >> >For what? I have said that those players have been picked because
Rodney
> >> >Marsh thinks that they are the best available to him. Which part of
that
> >> >don't you understand?
> >> > Ed Morris
> >> >
> >> > Waiting......
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Waiting................
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Waiting................................
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Still Waiting........................................
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >>
> >Tell me what you're waiting for that I haven't answered and I'll answer.
> > Ed Morris
> >
>
> Anyone care to explain to me on what cricketing grounds:
>
> 1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
> Powall and White.
>
> 2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
>
> 3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett, Laraman,
> Bulbeck and Murtagh?
> --
I will repeat. Rodney Marsh has selected the academy squad. Not you, not I,
not anyone else. Rodney Marsh has presumably selected the squad that he
considers best. Now, whether you, I, or anybody else disagrees with his
selection is immaterial.
If you have a problem with that selection I suggest that you take it up with
the ECB. Your objection will no doubt be based upon the 'Englishness' of
those selected. Most other NG users will not have that problem and will not
agree with your objections. Personally I don't know enough about any of
these players as I haven't watched them perform with the exception of Graham
Wagg who I have watched often for Warwickshire. I am surprised at his
inclusion as I haven't seen anything from him to make me believe that he
will be anything other than a competent county cricketer.
I personally don't believe that the squad has been picked on the basis of
political correctness. All at the ECB want nothing more than England to
succeed. If the players picked fail the ECB and Rod Marsh end up looking
incompetent and attendances and interest in cricket in this country will
dwindle. Not something that any of those in power including Rodney Marsh
will want to see. World cricket needs a strong England team to give the game
a European base. It also needs strong teams from Australasia, Africa, Asia
and the Carribean.
If there is anything that you have asked of me that you do not think that I
have answered please feel free to highlight that and I will respond as best
as I can. On the other hand I would like to know why you think that the team
is picked because of political correctness. Do you have any evidence that
leads you to believe this? What is the ECB or Rod Marsh gaining by this
method of selection? I think that if you are making the kind of allegations
that you are then you should be able to provide some kind of justification
for them.
Ed Morris
Ed Morris
"jim brant" <j...@brantj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:be3mef$u09$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
senses depending upon your job. Spanish I agree is pretty widely spoken.
Portugese too.
Ed Morris
Cricketislife!
<SNIP
------
I am not looking at a foreign language to converse with anybody,cos
there are not many french or Spanish people that I get to move with.
Though just close to where I stay, few hours drive from chennai, lot of
French people are there in pondicherry but ..
I am looking at it as a another avenue which would help in my reading,
movies, knowledge and entertainment bank basically. I am of the opnion
French has got more to offer in Movies etc than spanish movies, right?
or wrong?
.
Ed Morris
> Ed Morris and > "jim brant" wrote
> <SNIP
> ------
>
> I am not looking at a foreign language to converse with anybody,cos
> there are not many french or Spanish people that I get to move with.
> Though just close to where I stay, few hours drive from chennai, lot of
> French people are there in pondicherry but ..
>
> I am looking at it as a another avenue which would help in my reading,
> movies, knowledge and entertainment bank basically. I am of the opnion
> French has got more to offer in Movies etc than spanish movies, right?
> or wrong?
>
Without doubt. Films, literature. If you're a culture vulture I would go for
French.
Ed Morris
jim brant
news:yPfNa.9725$T4....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> French is spoken in much of Africa.
It is spoken much in that part of Africa which is largely desert, plus I
suppose the Congo.You shouldn't equate the area on the map with the number
of people living there.
Jim
Cricketislife!
the future, u will find me in the French newsgroups!
.
jim brant
> Ed Morris and > "jim brant" wrote
> <SNIP
> ------
>
> I am not looking at a foreign language to converse with anybody,cos
> there are not many french or Spanish people that I get to move with.
> Though just close to where I stay, few hours drive from chennai, lot of
> French people are there in pondicherry but ..
>
> I am looking at it as a another avenue which would help in my reading,
> movies, knowledge and entertainment bank basically. I am of the opnion
> French has got more to offer in Movies etc than spanish movies, right?
> or wrong?
>
industry, and there is a very large LA literature. Depends whether you are
interested in learning a modern and developing language, or one that's
dying. I am effectively a monoglot myself, though I have done
courses/qualifications in French, German, and Spanish (and Latin, come to
that). The only one I find somewhat useful outside France is Spanish. But I
have never been to Pondicherry, or the Sahara.
Jim
Paul Beck
> supporters. Not.
>
> Regards Declan,
> Okazaki, Japan
>
An interesting point and one which has grabbed my curiosity. Is there any
cricket at all played in Japan either by the Japanese themselves or by
ex-pats. If so what sort of facilities are over there? It would make a great
and unusual tour!
Paul
Paul Beck
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The Academy squad is selected from a group of players who it is perceived
have the most to gain from the experience. I have absolutely no doubt that
the players selected have been selected on merit and amongst the group there
will be one or two who have been fortunate to make the squad and one or two
who have been unlucky. Ian Bell for example is at the point where he has
very little to gain from going on tour with the Academy squad as he is more
likely to be with the main touring party, and lets face it Academy Cricket
is no more competitive in terms of current ability than County Cricket, so
some of the more experienced youngsters will have already have been
assessed. There doesn't seem to be much wrong with squad selected to me but
maybe if the touring party was bigger one or two of the names Robert
mentioned would be included. As it is it seems to be an ideal blend of
experience and inexperience and suggests that the selectors have every
intention of having a successful tour in terms of results.
Paul
Robert Henderson
nva...@web2news.net> writes
>Ed Morris and > "jim brant" wrote
><SNIP
>------
>
>I am not looking at a foreign language to converse with anybody,cos
>there are not many french or Spanish people that I get to move with.
>Though just close to where I stay, few hours drive from chennai, lot of
>French people are there in pondicherry but ..
>
>I am looking at it as a another avenue which would help in my reading,
>movies, knowledge and entertainment bank basically. I am of the opnion
>French has got more to offer in Movies etc than spanish movies, right?
>or wrong?
>
>
etc are normally immensely pretentious and frequently slow to the point
of inertia - Jules et Jim comes hideously to mind. RH
>
>.
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>
>For a man who comes from a country which in its entire international
>history has only played three non-whites in Tests/ODIs - Rex Sellars,
>Dav Whatmore and Andrew Symonds - Marsh does seem remarkably keen on
>selecting non-whites for England. RH
Perhaps he has the bizarre notion that cricketing potential & ability
are the main criteria...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>>
>>> 1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
>>> Powall and White.
>>>
>>> 2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
>>>
>>> 3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett, Laraman,
>>> Bulbeck and Murtagh?
>>>
>>> history has only played three non-whites in Tests/ODIs - Rex Sellars,
>>> Dav Whatmore and Andrew Symonds - Marsh does seem remarkably keen on
>>> selecting non-whites for England. RH
Maybe they were born in England, Robert?
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>
>>Solid looking team there. Lots of good English names too. Rod seems to
>>have chosen well.
>>
>Only in terms of promoting the interests of Oz. RH
Oh come on - surely you can't think the ECB would employ him if they
imagined for one second he'd deliberately undermine the future of the
England team?
Ed Morris
I guess that means that you will now not respond to my questions. Oh dear, I
thought that we were actually having a proper discussion for a moment.
Ed Morris
David North
> In article <ZIUMa.8492$Ds....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
> >Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of the
> >ones that you list?
>
> Political correctness.
If this is the reason, please explain why no black players have been shortlisted in addition to
those of Asian extraction.
--
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> Learning French today is a bit like learning Latin in the 19th century, but
> not as useful - how many places could you go to where French is the first
> language? And I doubt whether it is the second language anywhere, except
> perhaps Kent.
and the second largest country in the world (by area, admittedly).
jim brant
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> > "Cricketislife!" <cricketislif...@web2news.net> wrote in
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> > news:4780...@web2news.com...
>
> > Learning French today is a bit like learning Latin in the 19th century,
but
> > not as useful - how many places could you go to where French is the
first
> > language? And I doubt whether it is the second language anywhere, except
> > perhaps Kent.
>
> and the second largest country in the world (by area, admittedly).
> --
Canada is a special case. And it is a moot point whether the Quebecois speak
anything recognisable as French.
Jim
Jan Buxton
Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Kadeer Ali (Worcestershire)
> Simon Francis (Somerset)
> Alex Gidman (Gloucestershire)
> Will Jefferson (Essex)
> Shaftab Khalid (Worcestershire)
> Michael Lumb (Yorkshire)
> Tom Lungley (Derbyshire)
> Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
> Philip Mustard (Durham)
> Graham Napier (Essex)
> Kevin Pietersen (Nottinghamshire)
> Matthew Prior (Sussex)
> Bilal Shafayat (Nottinghamshire)
> James Tredwell (Kent)
> Graham Wagg (Warwickshire)
>
>
> A truly bizarre selection.
>
> Marsh appears to have selected an under-25 squad - under 25 when the
> season started. Marsh has overlooked these English under-25 players
> with Championship experience - I exclude those such as Key who have
> played for England at Test or ODI level and under-19 players:
>
> Batsmen: Selwood,
2003 Average 12.00
> Gough,
19.26
> Pratt (G),
26.62
> Peng,
24.27
> Muchall,
30.66 (boosted by recent century vs India A)
Speaking as a Durham fan these 4 guys didn't deserve it, they need the
kick up the arse that non-inclusion will hopefully give them.
> Lowe,
Only 1 match.
> Pearson,
0 matches
> Kenway,
27.57
> Adams,
Only 1 match for Hampshire, ave 10.00
> Francis (J),
20.20
> Louden,
1 match for Kent, ave 4.00
> Banes,
0 matches
> Rees,
0 matches
> Maunders,
19.33
> Sadler,
9.33
> Paynter,
59.00, at last someone worthy of investigation
> White,
18.50
> Powell,
The Northants one? 22.71
> Welton,
30.90
> Wood (Somerset),
13.16
> Bell,
29.41
> Peters,
41.46, a 2nd to consider
> Moore,
32.33 (HS 28*)
> Craven,
0 matches
> Fellows,
19.00
> Taylor,
1 match, 16.00
> Richardson.
17.16
> Wk: Pope,
1 match, 9.00, 2 catches
> Gazzard,
0 matches
> Clifford,
0 matches
> Adshead,
2 matches, 34.00, 7 catches, 1 stumping
> Guy.
1 match, 16.00, 2 catches
> Pace bowlers: Hunter,
(2003) 3w @ 63.66
> Davies,
1 match, 1w @ 120.00
> Hatch,
1 match, 4w @ 25.00
> Pattison,
1 match, 1w @ 7.00
Again as a Durham fan I don't see that these guys deserve a place.
> Bishop,
11w @ 33.54
> McGarry,
5w @ 29.00
> Bressington,
0 matches
> Hardinges,
0 matches
> Bruce,
8w @ 33.75
> Tremlett,
6w @ 39.16 (seems like another who needs a boot to the behind)
> Tomlinson,
4w @ 51.75
> Brignull,
7w @ 33.57
> Grove,
1w @ 64.00
> Whiley,
1w @ 81.00 (ER 6.31!)
> Laraman,
11w @ 37.36
> Andrew,
4w @ 21.25
> Bulbeck,
0 matches
> Murtagh,
2w @ 79.50
> Liptrot,
3w @ 15.66
> Bresnan,
1w @ 94.00
>
> Spin Bowlers: Dumelow,
10w @ 20.40 (an interesting one I grant you, seen him a couple of times,
I can't make up my mind whether he has something or if he is just a
county dobber)
> Wharton,
7w @ 37.28
> Scott,
0 matches
> Bridge,
0 matches, any guy who isn't good enough to displace Nicky Phillips
mustn't be very good
> Phillips,
The Essex Phillips who has hung around for years and not done anything?
0 matches
> Ferley,
8w @ 62.50
> Schofield,
7w @ 41.28
> Dalrymple,
0 county matches
> Randall,
0 matches
> McMahon,
0 county matches, 13w @ 34.84
> Nash,
CD Nash? 0 county matches 1w @ 239.00 playing for Loughborough
> Spires.
0 matches
>
>
> Anyone care to explain to me on what cricketing grounds:
>
> 1. Kadeer Ali is chosen ahead Muchall, Kenway, Wood, Bell, Peters,
> Powall and White.
2003 Averages
Peters 41.46
Muchall 30.66
Bell 29.41
Kenway 27.57
KADEER ALI 23.85
Powell 22.71
White 18.50
Wood 13.16
In the cases of Bell and Muchall they are talented players who have
underachieved and are probably being given a kick up the arse. Also in
the case of the former in particular there may not be much point of him
going back to the Academy again. Kenway? Been before, perhaps he didn't
impress Mr Marsh. Also only just starting to rediscover form. Peters?
Too much experience? Marsh went to watch Worcs and it was KA nor SP that
impressed?
> 2. Saftab Khalid is chosen ahead of any of the omitted spinners.
The only you listed who could have a legitimate grudge would be Dumelow,
and as I say I'm not convinced he has that much class. Perhaps Rod Marsh
knows something you and I don't when it comes to Mr Khalid.
> 3. Sajid Mohammed is chosen ahead of Hunter, Davies, Tremlett,
> Laraman, Bulbeck and Murtagh?
2003 Averages
SAJID MAHMOOD 14w @ 20.35
(a year ago a certain Mr Anderson started his Lancs career with similar
figures and who were very excited, I wonder what could the difference
be?)
Laraman 11w @ 37.36
Tremlett 6w @ 39.16
Hunter 3w @ 63.66
Murtagh 2w @ 79.50
Davies 1w @ 120.00
Bulbeck not played
Seems like a perfectly reasonable choice to me.
--
Jan
Declan Murphy
Yes there is cricket played, both by Japanese (mainly clubs based around
elite universities, long term foreign residents as well as expats. The
facilities are in general poor, for those of us outside Tokyo it
involves scraping together whatever can be scrounged, and sharing
"grounds" with other sports etc.
If you were interested in arranging a club tour, I'd suggest browsing
and follow your nose from there.
Ed Morris
"Paul Hyett" <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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I made that point above. Surprisingly it has got no reply.
Ed Morris
Ed Morris
"Jan Buxton" <ja...@eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Has been to the last two academy tours. Maybe RM thinks that he can learn no
more there and just needs to play. Scored 97 again yesterday and is coming
into some good form.
Ed Morris
Mad Hamish
<cricketislif...@web2news.net> wrote:
>Declan Murphy wrote:
>"Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
>Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
>care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
>The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
>least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
>
>Dame Edna Everage
>----------------------------------
>
>Hmm, thats an interesting quote and very timely one for me. I was just
>deciding to learn a foreign language (English is no more 'foreign' to
>Indians!)and was deciding between Spanish and French. I was thinking of
>settling on Spanish simply cos it sounded more exotic, but may be after
>that quote, I shall may be try to learn French. Atleast that way I can
>see and understand their movies, which r popular than spanish ones.
>
> Anyone, any suggestions on which language to go for?? Declan what say
>u?
Depends what you're looking at doing with it.
e.g.
There aren't many places where French is a large advantage for doing
business, there are quite a few places where Spanish is damned useful
and a lot of them do have a lot of business opportunities.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
h_l...@aardvark.net.au
Paul Hyett
>> >>
>> >Only in terms of promoting the interests of Oz. RH
>>
>> Oh come on - surely you can't think the ECB would employ him if they
>> imagined for one second he'd deliberately undermine the future of the
>> England team?
>
> Ed Morris
Yes, Robert rarely seems to reply to awkward questions.
Robert Henderson
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
Dear oh dear. Would this be the Mr Hyett who refused to answer the
question if teams and leagues based on skin colour are acceptable to you
why are national sides selected on that basis unacceptable?
What you always have to bear in mind is that I have far more posts
directed at me than anyone else in the ng. I cannot immediately answer
every one.
As for the question of Marsh, the ECB will have employed him because it
is modish to employ foreign coaches in general and Australians in
particular. Political correctness will prevent the ECB even publicly
considering what he is doing in terms of selection where the selections
involve members of ethnic minorities or white mercenaries. RH
Robert Henderson
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
>"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:FW7bJXAVDCB$Ew...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <ZIUMa.8492$Ds....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
>
>> >Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of the
>> >ones that you list?
>>
>> Political correctness.
>
>If this is the reason, please explain why no black players have been shortlisted
>in addition to
>those of Asian extraction.
There are hardly any young black players in CC. RH
Robert Henderson
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
Strange how he hasn't applied those criteria in that case. RH
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>
>>Yes, Robert rarely seems to reply to awkward questions.
>
>Dear oh dear. Would this be the Mr Hyett who refused to answer the
>question if teams and leagues based on skin colour are acceptable to you
>why are national sides selected on that basis unacceptable?
That doesn't invalid my comment though.
>
>What you always have to bear in mind is that I have far more posts
>directed at me than anyone else in the ng. I cannot immediately answer
>every one.
Fair enough.
>
>As for the question of Marsh, the ECB will have employed him because it
>is modish to employ foreign coaches in general and Australians in
>particular. Political correctness will prevent the ECB even publicly
>considering what he is doing in terms of selection where the selections
>involve members of ethnic minorities or white mercenaries. RH
I do not accept that. In any case Rod Marsh is white so the usual PC
nonsense of not criticising simply doesn't apply.
David North
> In article <be4gss$193gt$1...@ID-182826.news.dfncis.de>, David North
> <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
> >"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:FW7bJXAVDCB$Ew...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article <ZIUMa.8492$Ds....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
> >
> >> >Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of the
> >> >ones that you list?
> >>
> >> Political correctness.
> >
> >If this is the reason, please explain why no black players have been shortlisted
> >in addition to
> >those of Asian extraction.
>
> There are hardly any young black players in CC. RH
True, in which case the selection of one would be sufficient for PC reasons. Michael Carberry would
fit the bill quite nicely.
There is an interesting contrast between your statement above and this from 16th February:
"Blacks and Asians are over-represented in county cricket - objective
fact. RH"
Robert Henderson
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
>>As for the question of Marsh, the ECB will have employed him because it
>>is modish to employ foreign coaches in general and Australians in
>>particular. Political correctness will prevent the ECB even publicly
>>considering what he is doing in terms of selection where the selections
>>involve members of ethnic minorities or white mercenaries. RH
>
>I do not accept that. In any case Rod Marsh is white so the usual PC
>nonsense of not criticising simply doesn't apply.
It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman. It is pc not to
query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
Robert Henderson
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
>True, in which case the selection of one would be sufficient for PC reasons.
>Michael Carberry would
>fit the bill quite nicely.
>
>There is an interesting contrast between your statement above and this from 16th
>February:
>
>"Blacks and Asians are over-represented in county cricket - objective
>fact. RH"
No contradiction. As a group they are. Also,, although there are few
black youngsters, there are still quite a few ageing black players. RH
David North
> In article <be8tlo$2h175$1...@ID-182826.news.dfncis.de>, David North
> <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
> >True, in which case the selection of one would be sufficient for PC reasons.
> >Michael Carberry would
> >fit the bill quite nicely.
> >
> >There is an interesting contrast between your statement above and this from 16th
> >February:
> >
> >"Blacks and Asians are over-represented in county cricket - objective
> >fact. RH"
>
> No contradiction. As a group they are.
If you have to take them as a group for it to be true, you might as well say that Italians and
Asians are over-represented in county cricket.
> Also,, although there are few
> black youngsters, there are still quite a few ageing black players. RH
Malcolm, DeFreitas, Alleyne, Piper, Law, Anderson, Tudor (the last 3 hardly aging, but over 25) ...
now I'm struggling. Yes, indeed quite few.
Ed Morris
Yes I remember that one. Mind you, concictency isn't one of Rh's strong
point. Consider: Vaughan should be opening in ODI's (dropping Solanki) and
Vaughan should be moved down the order in Tests to accomodate Key!
Ed Morris
Ed Morris
> In article <tkdhvmAcl8B$Ew...@activist.demon.co.uk>, Paul Hyett
> <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>As for the question of Marsh, the ECB will have employed him because it
> >>is modish to employ foreign coaches in general and Australians in
> >>particular. Political correctness will prevent the ECB even publicly
> >>considering what he is doing in terms of selection where the selections
> >>involve members of ethnic minorities or white mercenaries. RH
> >
> >I do not accept that. In any case Rod Marsh is white so the usual PC
> >nonsense of not criticising simply doesn't apply.
>
> It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman. It is pc not to
> query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
> --
What is the pc reason for not selecting 'white mercenaries'?
Ed Morris
Robert Henderson
<dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
>"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:eFOtdaBMLBC$Ew...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <be8tlo$2h175$1...@ID-182826.news.dfncis.de>, David North
>> <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
>> >True, in which case the selection of one would be sufficient for PC reasons.
>> >Michael Carberry would
>> >fit the bill quite nicely.
>> >
>> >There is an interesting contrast between your statement above and this from
>16th
>> >February:
>> >
>> >"Blacks and Asians are over-represented in county cricket - objective
>> >fact. RH"
>>
>> No contradiction. As a group they are.
>
>If you have to take them as a group for it to be true, you might as well say
>that Italians and
>Asians are over-represented in county cricket.
>
>> Also,, although there are few
>> black youngsters, there are still quite a few ageing black players. RH
>
>Malcolm, DeFreitas, Alleyne, Piper, Law, Anderson, Tudor
Greenidge. RH
> (the last 3 hardly
>aging, but over 25) ...
The only under-25s are Carberry, Newman and Brandy.
>now I'm struggling. Yes, indeed quite few.
That gives a total of 11. Blacks form only two percent of the
population. A substantial part of that two percent are recent adult
African immigrants or adult West Indians who would not qualify for
England. Let us say 1.5% have a qualification for England.
There are around 250 present England qualified players who have played
CC. One would expect around 4 to be black based on their percentage of
the population. RH
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
I haven't said that. I said it was pc not to query their selection. RH
Declan Murphy
> That gives a total of 11. Blacks form only two percent of the
> population. A substantial part of that two percent are recent adult
> African immigrants or adult West Indians who would not qualify for
> England. Let us say 1.5% have a qualification for England.
>
> There are around 250 present England qualified players who have played
> CC. One would expect around 4 to be black based on their percentage of
> the population. RH
Wouldn't a more accurate methodology be to base the calculation not on
total population, but on that small proportion of the population with an
active interest in the game - for example (including those in "Asian"
leagues of course) registered players? In which case you might
inconveniently find "their" numbers are on the whole under-represented
in the CC.
--
"Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
Dame Edna Everage
"If you have to explain satire to someone, you might as well give up,"
Barry Humphries
Robert Henderson
<declan...@hotmail.com> writes
> That gives a total of 11. Blacks form only two percent of the
>> population. A substantial part of that two percent are recent adult
>> African immigrants or adult West Indians who would not qualify for
>> England. Let us say 1.5% have a qualification for England.
>>
>> There are around 250 present England qualified players who have played
>> CC. One would expect around 4 to be black based on their percentage of
>> the population. RH
>
>Wouldn't a more accurate methodology be to base the calculation not on total
>population, but on that small proportion of the population with an active
>interest in the game
>- for example (including those in "Asian" leagues of
>course) registered players? In which case you might inconveniently find "their"
>numbers are on the whole under-represented in the CC.
The ECB estimates that more than 600,000 play cricket regularly. Of
those the vast majority are white. Cricket is played at school-level
primarily in (1) the public schools and the more selective state schools
- which are overwhelmingly white - and (2) outside the cities and larger
towns, areas which are overwhelmingly white.
Also, in terms of interest in the game, the vast majority who attend
County and International matches in this country are white. The
overwhelming majority of county members are white. Most readers of the
broadsheet newspapers, which are the only ones to cover cricket
properly, are white. So the answer to your question is no. RH
Paul Hyett
wrote :
> Blacks form only two percent of the
>population. A substantial part of that two percent are recent adult
>African immigrants or adult West Indians who would not qualify for
>England. Let us say 1.5% have a qualification for England.
>
>There are around 250 present England qualified players who have played
>CC. One would expect around 4 to be black based on their percentage of
>the population. RH
>
Quota's are the *last* thing any sport needs!
By all means improve opportunities at the grass-roots level, but *don't*
force people into teams when they clearly don't have the necessary
ability to succeed at that level.
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>
>>I do not accept that. In any case Rod Marsh is white so the usual PC
>>nonsense of not criticising simply doesn't apply.
>
>It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman.
I wouldn't say selecting a non-English coach was done for PC reasons,
since they wouldn't lack opportunities otherwise, albeit elsewhere.
>It is pc not to
>query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
I'd agree (while resenting the fact) only on the first half of that
statement.
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>>
>>> It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman. It is pc not to
>>> query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
>>
>> Ed Morris
>
>I haven't said that. I said it was pc not to query their selection. RH
>>
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>Marsh does seem remarkably keen on
>>>selecting non-whites for England. RH
>>
>>Perhaps he has the bizarre notion that cricketing potential & ability
>>are the main criteria...
>
>Strange how he hasn't applied those criteria in that case. RH
I'm a little confused now - is Rod Marsh involved in team selection, or
just training/coaching?
Ed Morris
> >> It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman. It is pc not to
> >> query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
You have said the above. Presumably that means that the selection of 'white
mercenaries' who are 'non-Englishmen' are selected for pc reasons. What are
those pc reasons? And why is it pc to not query their selection?
Ed Morris
Paul Beck
So you elect to ignore choosing players based on ability and choose to
select Black players on the basis that because 1.5% of the population is
black only 1.5% of blacks as a proposition should play County Cricket.
Perhaps we should check on the current quota of ex-public schoolboys. You
really are a complete and utter arsehole Robert.
Paul
Paul Beck
> > > >
> > > >> >Why do you think that the players selected were chosen ahead of
the
> > > >> >ones that you list?
> > > >>
> > > >> Political correctness.
> > > >
> > > >If this is the reason, please explain why no black players have been
> shortlisted
> > > >in addition to
> > > >those of Asian extraction.
> > >
> > > There are hardly any young black players in CC. RH
> >
> > True, in which case the selection of one would be sufficient for PC
> reasons. Michael Carberry would
> > fit the bill quite nicely.
> >
> > There is an interesting contrast between your statement above and this
> from 16th February:
> >
> > "Blacks and Asians are over-represented in county cricket - objective
> > fact. RH"
>
>
> Yes I remember that one. Mind you, concictency isn't one of Rh's strong
> point. Consider: Vaughan should be opening in ODI's (dropping Solanki) and
> Vaughan should be moved down the order in Tests to accomodate Key!
> Ed Morris
Neither is credibility one of his strong points. Coming across as a complete
and utter moron on the other hand.............
Paul
Paul Beck
> >>supporters. Not.
> >>
> >>Regards Declan,
> >>Okazaki, Japan
> >
> > An interesting point and one which has grabbed my curiosity. Is there
any
> > cricket at all played in Japan either by the Japanese themselves or by
> > ex-pats. If so what sort of facilities are over there? It would make a
great
> > and unusual tour!
>
> Yes there is cricket played, both by Japanese (mainly clubs based around
> elite universities, long term foreign residents as well as expats. The
> facilities are in general poor, for those of us outside Tokyo it
> involves scraping together whatever can be scrounged, and sharing
> "grounds" with other sports etc.
>
> If you were interested in arranging a club tour, I'd suggest browsing
>
> http://www.jca-cricket.ne.jp
>
> and follow your nose from there.
>
> Regards Declan,
> Okazaki, Japan
Cheers Declan
Thanks for the link. Some of us senior club members have been talking about
arranging a tour somewhere exotic for next year as it is the club's silver
jubilee. In a normal season we generally end up touring somewhere near one
of the British coasts and seem to base ourselves somewhere with a pier as a
rule for a week in early September, but it would be good to do something
completely different for our '25th' and Japan for me would be a fantastic
idea, so I will suggest it to the tour committee.
Paul
Paul Beck
>
> What you always have to bear in mind is that I have far more posts
> directed at me than anyone else in the ng. I cannot immediately answer
> every one.
You seem to immediately answer posts on your pet subject, until someone
proves you wrong or to be a blatant liar as is often the case, and then you
never answer at all. There have been numerous posts over the last couple of
weeks that you have not answered or alternatively resorted to childish
remarks because you have found the position you have put yourself in to be
indefensible. To use it as an excuse in this thread is quite pathetic, as is
accusing Paul of not responding to something you asked him is blatantly
taking the piss based on your track record.
Paul
Paul Beck
gather all the facts, whereas our Mr Henderson continually promotes his
agenda and says whatever the hell he likes in the hope that the rest of us
are stupid enough to believe him. It should have been him who provided the
stats to make his point rather than you have to provide them to prove what
he was saying was nonsense as usual. The trouble is that wouldn't work in
his mind because if he had have done he wouldn't have been able to make the
post in the first place as usual. Perhaps he can assure us that he will
provide accurate evidence before he makes posts of this kind in future so we
have something to debate rather than just proving that he is promoting his
racial agenda as usual. Well Robert would that seem reasonable?
Paul
Robert Henderson
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
He is both a selector and in charge of the Academy. RH
Robert Henderson
<paul...@marucogroup.co.uk> writes
>> Also, in terms of interest in the game, the vast majority who attend
>> County and International matches in this country are white. The
>> overwhelming majority of county members are white. Most readers of the
>> broadsheet newspapers, which are the only ones to cover cricket
>> properly, are white. So the answer to your question is no. RH
>
>So you elect to ignore choosing players based on ability and choose to
>select Black players on the basis that because 1.5% of the population is
>black only 1.5% of blacks as a proposition should play County Cricket.
>Perhaps we should check on the current quota of ex-public schoolboys. You
>really are a complete and utter arsehole Robert.
Young Aspers II misses the point (again). The point is that they are
over-represented - objective fact. RH
Robert Henderson
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
Because the selection of any black or Asian for anything is beyond
questioning in the pc mind. RH
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>> >> It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman. It is pc not to
>> >> query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
>
>
>You have said the above. Presumably that means that the selection of 'white
>mercenaries' who are 'non-Englishmen' are selected for pc reasons. What are
>those pc reasons?
They are not English and thus the liberal bigot automatically approves
of them and automatically knows that someone who is not English should
not be questioned. The problem liberal bigots have in questioning white
mercenaries is that it allows the questioning of other non-white non-
Englishmen. RH
> And why is it pc to not query their selection?
> Ed Morris
>
>
--
Robert Henderson
<paul...@marucogroup.co.uk> writes
>
>>
Bring another triple dose of the largactyl, nurse. RH
>Paul
Paul Beck
> >> Also, in terms of interest in the game, the vast majority who attend
> >> County and International matches in this country are white. The
> >> overwhelming majority of county members are white. Most readers of the
> >> broadsheet newspapers, which are the only ones to cover cricket
> >> properly, are white. So the answer to your question is no. RH
> >
> >So you elect to ignore choosing players based on ability and choose to
> >select Black players on the basis that because 1.5% of the population is
> >black only 1.5% of blacks as a proposition should play County Cricket.
> >Perhaps we should check on the current quota of ex-public schoolboys. You
> >really are a complete and utter arsehole Robert.
>
> Young Aspers II misses the point (again). The point is that they are
> over-represented - objective fact. RH
> --
The Swedish national has missed the point ( again and again and again).
Representation is in terms of talent not the colour of ones skin. I repeat,
You really are a complete and utter arsehole.
Paul
Paul Beck
> They are not English and thus the liberal bigot automatically approves
> of them and automatically knows that someone who is not English should
> not be questioned. The problem liberal bigots have in questioning white
> mercenaries is that it allows the questioning of other non-white non-
> Englishmen. RH
>
The players have been picked on merit as Jan has pretty much proven so what
he hell has anything elso got to do with it. It's a bit like saying you
cannot post on here because you are Swedish. In which case please follow
your own version of democracy and stop wasting everyones time with your
stupid ill-thought out posts.
Paul
Paul Beck
> >> What you always have to bear in mind is that I have far more posts
> >> directed at me than anyone else in the ng. I cannot immediately answer
> >> every one.
> >
> >You seem to immediately answer posts on your pet subject, until someone
> >proves you wrong or to be a blatant liar as is often the case, and then
you
> >never answer at all. There have been numerous posts over the last couple
of
> >weeks that you have not answered or alternatively resorted to childish
> >remarks because you have found the position you have put yourself in to
be
> >indefensible. To use it as an excuse in this thread is quite pathetic, as
is
> >accusing Paul of not responding to something you asked him is blatantly
> >taking the piss based on your track record.
> >
>
> Bring another triple dose of the largactyl, nurse. RH
> >Paul
I know its a bit archaic these days but whatever medication they have you on
is clearly not working so it has to be worth trying you on the electric
shock treatment as your are clearly mentally unwell.
Paul
Robert Henderson
<paul...@marucogroup.co.uk> writes
provide evidence and argument. RH
Paul Beck
> >An excellent post Jan. You have taken some considerable time and effort
to
> >gather all the facts, whereas our Mr Henderson continually promotes his
> >agenda and says whatever the hell he likes in the hope that the rest of
us
> >are stupid enough to believe him. It should have been him who provided
the
> >stats to make his point rather than you have to provide them to prove
what
> >he was saying was nonsense as usual. The trouble is that wouldn't work in
> >his mind because if he had have done he wouldn't have been able to make
the
> >post in the first place as usual. Perhaps he can assure us that he will
> >provide accurate evidence before he makes posts of this kind in future so
we
> >have something to debate rather than just proving that he is promoting
his
> >racial agenda as usual. Well Robert would that seem reasonable?
> >
> 1. I don't promote a racial agenda but an English one; (2) I always
> provide evidence and argument. RH
> >Paul
> >
1. You do promote a racial agenda, and unfortunately you do it frequently.
Sometimes you promote your own English agenda but it is not one that can be
regarded as either reasonable or rational.
2. You never provide evidence but you unfailingly create argument because
your statements without evidence are racist and xenophobic and certainly
without foundation.
Perhaps you could go back through the threads you have started on this
subject over the last couple of weeks and tell us all where you have
provided any evidence whatsoever. I have, and I can't see a single line of
it. As usual Hendersson you are blatantly lying as seems to be more and more
common in your posts. As per usual this is an opportunity for you to defend
yourself and I await you providing the information which is clearly not
there! when you have responded I can then re-post your last twenty threads
on the subject proving categorically that you haven't provided any and have
been repeatedly requested to do so. I can only assume therefore that you are
referring to your childish one line remarks as evidence as these seem to
account for the other 70% of your posts.
Paul
Ed Morris
> In article <NQ9Oa.7$2E...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
> <edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> >
> >> >> It is pc to select someone other than an Englishman. It is pc not to
> >> >> query the selections of ethnic minorities and white mercenaries. RH
> >
> >
> >You have said the above. Presumably that means that the selection of
'white
> >mercenaries' who are 'non-Englishmen' are selected for pc reasons. What
are
> >those pc reasons?
>
> They are not English and thus the liberal bigot automatically approves
> of them and automatically knows that someone who is not English should
> not be questioned. The problem liberal bigots have in questioning white
> mercenaries is that it allows the questioning of other non-white non-
> Englishmen. RH
>
Robert, I'm sorry but that point just doesn't make sense. I'm sure you
believe it to be true but it is after all only your opinion. As always the
whole issue that you have raised is about race and we know where you stand
on tht. It does sound a little like an extreme paranoid conspiracy theory to
me.
Ed Morris
Ed Morris
> In article <bebcfh$7q$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>, Paul Beck
> <paul...@marucogroup.co.uk> writes
> >An excellent post Jan. You have taken some considerable time and effort
to
> >gather all the facts, whereas our Mr Henderson continually promotes his
> >agenda and says whatever the hell he likes in the hope that the rest of
us
> >are stupid enough to believe him. It should have been him who provided
the
> >stats to make his point rather than you have to provide them to prove
what
> >he was saying was nonsense as usual. The trouble is that wouldn't work in
> >his mind because if he had have done he wouldn't have been able to make
the
> >post in the first place as usual. Perhaps he can assure us that he will
> >provide accurate evidence before he makes posts of this kind in future so
we
> >have something to debate rather than just proving that he is promoting
his
> >racial agenda as usual. Well Robert would that seem reasonable?
> >
> 1. I don't promote a racial agenda but an English one; (2) I always
> provide evidence and argument. RH
1. What are the English if not a race and who is excluded as a result of
your argument? I would suggest that it is other races. 2. No you don't. You
regularly fail to answer questions that you find difficult.
Ed Morris
Robert Henderson
<edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>1. What are the English if not a race
They area nation, a people. RH
>and who is excluded as a result of
>your argument
Non-English men and women. RH
>? I would suggest that it is other races. 2. No you don't. You
>regularly fail to answer questions that you find difficult.
> Ed Morris
>
--
David North
> In article <be9epm$2gsb7$1...@ID-182826.news.dfncis.de>, David North
> <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes> >news:eFOtdaBMLBC$Ew...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article <be8tlo$2h175$1...@ID-182826.news.dfncis.de>, David North
> >> <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
> >> >True, in which case the selection of one would be sufficient for PC reasons.
> >> >Michael Carberry would
> >> >fit the bill quite nicely.
> >> >
> >> >There is an interesting contrast between your statement above and this from
> >16th
> >> >February:
> >> >
> >> >"Blacks and Asians are over-represented in county cricket - objective
> >> >fact. RH"
> >>
> >
> >If you have to take them as a group for it to be true, you might as well say
> >that Italians and
> >Asians are over-represented in county cricket.
> >
> >> Also,, although there are few
> >> black youngsters, there are still quite a few ageing black players. RH
> >
> >Malcolm, DeFreitas, Alleyne, Piper, Law, Anderson, Tudor
>
> Greenidge. RH
I was going by the original criterion "Marsh appears to have selected an under-25 squad - under 25
when the season started." Greenidge was 25 in April.
> > (the last 3 hardly
> >aging, but over 25) ...
>
> The only under-25s are Carberry, Newman and Brandy.
and James Pearson. Want to change your mind about including him in your list of alternative
selections?
--
David North
Email to this address will be deleted as spam
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David North
> In article <3lfOa.3336$2E2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Ed Morris
> <edward...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> >1. What are the English if not a race
>
> They area nation, a people. RH
race - "2 a tribe, nation or similar group of people thought of as distinct from others"
http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/chref/chref.py/main?query=race&title=21st
> >and who is excluded as a result of
> >your argument
>
> Non-English men and women. RH
For anyone who is unsure, Robert means (non-English men) and women, not non-English (men and women).
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>>>
>>But you haven't said *why* it would be PC not to query it.
>
>Because the selection of any black or Asian for anything is beyond
>questioning in the pc mind. RH
Since when was Rod Marsh black or Asian?
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>>>
>>>Strange how he hasn't applied those criteria in that case. RH
>>
>>I'm a little confused now - is Rod Marsh involved in team selection, or
>>just training/coaching?
>
>He is both a selector and in charge of the Academy. RH
Have him involved in coaching by all means, but not selection - the
potential for conflicts of interest is just too high.
Paul Hyett
>> >
>> 1. I don't promote a racial agenda but an English one; (2) I always
>> provide evidence and argument. RH
>
>1. What are the English if not a race
How about - a nationality.
> and who is excluded as a result of
>your argument? I would suggest that it is other races. 2. No you don't. You
>regularly fail to answer questions that you find difficult.
ISTM that the main issue is that RH doesn't believe that non-whites
cannot assimilate enough to give 100% for England, even if they were
born & raised here.
A position I disagree with 100%.
Robert Henderson
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
>In uk.sport.cricket on Mon, 7 Jul 2003 at 10:04:26, Robert Henderson
>wrote :
>>>>>
>>>But you haven't said *why* it would be PC not to query it.
>>
>>Because the selection of any black or Asian for anything is beyond
>>questioning in the pc mind. RH
>
>Since when was Rod Marsh black or Asian?
What has that got to do with it? PC can operate with foreign whites. RH
Paul Beck
> > provide evidence and argument. RH
> 1. You do promote a racial agenda, and unfortunately you do it frequently.
> Sometimes you promote your own English agenda but it is not one that can
be
> regarded as either reasonable or rational.
>
> 2. You never provide evidence but you unfailingly create argument because
> your statements without evidence are racist and xenophobic and certainly
> without foundation.
>
> Perhaps you could go back through the threads you have started on this
> subject over the last couple of weeks and tell us all where you have
> provided any evidence whatsoever. I have, and I can't see a single line of
> it. As usual Hendersson you are blatantly lying as seems to be more and
more
> common in your posts. As per usual this is an opportunity for you to
defend
> yourself and I await you providing the information which is clearly not
> there! when you have responded I can then re-post your last twenty threads
> on the subject proving categorically that you haven't provided any and
have
> been repeatedly requested to do so. I can only assume therefore that you
are
> referring to your childish one line remarks as evidence as these seem to
> account for the other 70% of your posts.
>
> Paul
I take it you have been back through the threads now and realised that you
have provided no evidence whatsoever. So do you accept now that perhaps
providing evidence for your assertions is something you should do before
making your posts and consequently come across as credible rather that
appearing to have some sort of psychological problem.
Paul
Robert Henderson
<paul...@marucogroup.co.uk> writes
>
>
>I take it you have been back through the threads now and realised that you
>have provided no evidence whatsoever. So do you accept now that perhaps
>providing evidence for your assertions is something you should do before
>making your posts and consequently come across as credible rather that
>appearing to have some sort of psychological problem.
>
>Paul
Quick doctor, more than twenty years of living in an attic have taken
their toll on young Aspers II. RH
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Declan Murphy <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F053721...@hotmail.com>...
> Cricketislife! wrote:
>
> > Hmm, thats an interesting quote and very timely one for me. I was just
> > deciding to learn a foreign language (English is no more 'foreign' to
> > Indians!)and was deciding between Spanish and French. I was thinking of
> > settling on Spanish simply cos it sounded more exotic, but may be after
> > that quote, I shall may be try to learn French. Atleast that way I can
> > see and understand their movies, which r popular than spanish ones.
> >
> > Anyone, any suggestions on which language to go for?? Declan what say
> > u?
>
> Japanese of course. Home of the world's most fanatical cricket
> supporters. Not.
>
> Regards Declan,
> Okazaki, Japan
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Forget Spanish. There's nothing in that language worth reading except
> Don Quixote, and a quick listen to the CD of Man of La Mancha will take
> care of that. Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?
> The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at
> least a few books worth reading, or if you're American, try English."
>
> Dame Edna Everage
>
> "If you have to explain satire to someone, you might as well give up,"
>
> Barry Humphries
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> In article <4797...@web2news.com>, Cricketislife! <cricketislif.news.i
> nva...@web2news.net> writes
> >Ed Morris and > "jim brant" wrote
> ><SNIP
> >------
> >
> >I am not looking at a foreign language to converse with anybody,cos
> >there are not many french or Spanish people that I get to move with.
> >Though just close to where I stay, few hours drive from chennai, lot of
> >French people are there in pondicherry but ..
> >
> >I am looking at it as a another avenue which would help in my reading,
> >movies, knowledge and entertainment bank basically. I am of the opnion
> >French has got more to offer in Movies etc than spanish movies, right?
> >or wrong?
> >
> >
> Learn Russian. Great novelists and film makers. French films, novels
> etc are normally immensely pretentious and frequently slow to the point
> of inertia - Jules et Jim comes hideously to mind. RH
> >
> >.