Hello Soul Mate...
Dan Scorpio
my posts on Dejanews ladies & see if I fit what you require.
When I say soul mate, I mean forever:
Where are you sweet rose, why so long?
Dan Scorpio
How Come, I don't know, but I've heard he's opening another one in Trent
Bridge, to be know as the How Zat, one near the Brown Cow pub (the How Now)
and there are plans for one in Texas - to be called the How Dee (partner).
I have your message wrt group: you have my apologies: (why don't these
damned groups have charters posted right at the top of the read list?).
I've spotted it now, and shall sod off elsewhere with my broken heart and
aching gonads.
(Boo Hoooooo).
Regards DS
PS Only one I ever knew with three feet was Jake the Peg.
Paul Kinsler wrote in message <1998Nov24.2...@leeds.ac.uk>...
>> In outpouring of consciousness known as <73d1if$sfq$1...@newnews.global.net
>> .uk>, Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
>> > [...]
>> >When I say soul mate, I mean forever:
>> >Where are you sweet rose, why so long?
>
>How long has it been? Three feet?
>
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>
David Reid
.uk>, Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
>my posts on Dejanews ladies & see if I fit what you require.
>Where are you sweet rose, why so long?
>
require.
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Paul Kinsler
> .uk>, Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
> >When I say soul mate, I mean forever:
> >Where are you sweet rose, why so long?
How long has it been? Three feet?
Julie Bennett
>No: How Long runs the local chip shop near me. It's called How Far.
>How Come, I don't know, but I've heard he's opening another one in Trent
>Bridge, to be know as the How Zat, one near the Brown Cow pub (the How Now)
>and there are plans for one in Texas - to be called the How Dee (partner).
>I have your message wrt group: you have my apologies: (why don't these
>damned groups have charters posted right at the top of the read list?).
>I've spotted it now, and shall sod off elsewhere with my broken heart and
>aching gonads.
>(Boo Hoooooo).
>Regards DS
>PS Only one I ever knew with three feet was Jake the Peg.
Don't go. I love you.
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Dan Scorpio
and I can't say I'm impressed by the amount of pornospam, troilism,
voyeurism and general perversion on offer. Oh dear.
I do take exception at getting flak when you have personal entries in here
saying 'look at my dick'/ 'young and gay'/'thirtysomething'/'black male' and
the rest passing without comment. Double standards for newbies?
Mine was a sincere ad, (and please don't use the royal 'we' unless you have
the royal assent, it makes you look so silly), innocent and direct without
being crude.
I hope this is a respectful response, and that any responses be likewise.
Thanks for your love Julie, we all need more of that.
If required, I can also play games: I just don't choose to. The world
becomes a better place with less bullshit.
Dan Scorpio wrote in message <73d1if$sfq$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>Honours graduate, poet, 6' 2", 14st, 40+, divorced, seeks soul mate.
Search
>my posts on Dejanews ladies & see if I fit what you require.
Dan Scorpio
good. (I was going to be cheeky & post a topic saying 'I'm thinking of
placing an ad in the Guardian along the following lines and would like
comment before I do...', heh, heh, but, accepting your assurances of no
multiple standards, I won't.)
Be back soon, busy fighting Taoists: take care all.
PS whats wadding?
Gordon Harris
<zen...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
--
Gordon
Charles Bryant
Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes, I've had a look around the other groups (recommended in the FAQ entry)
>and I can't say I'm impressed by the amount of pornospam, troilism,
>voyeurism and general perversion on offer. Oh dear.
Seems more than adequate to me.
>I do take exception at getting flak when you have personal entries in here
>saying 'look at my dick'/ 'young and gay'/'thirtysomething'/'black male' and
>the rest passing without comment. Double standards for newbies?
Some don't get flamed because they're beyond help.
David Curtis
Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>PS whats wadding?
Also known as batting, it's a thin squishy layer, made from
either cotton or a poly-cotton blend, that sits in between
the front and backing of a quilt. When quitled, the quilting
stitches go through all three layers, securing the wadding
into place. HTH.
David
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James Holtom
> In article <73kc9s$2g0$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>,
> Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >PS whats wadding?
>
> Also known as batting, it's a thin squishy layer, made from
> either cotton or a poly-cotton blend, that sits in between
> the front and backing of a quilt. When quitled, the quilting
> stitches go through all three layers, securing the wadding
> into place. HTH.
See-also: Nitro-cellulose.
Also known as Gun-Cotton -- which as I recall is trivial to make, and
the full recipe is listed in slightly older encylopaedia... (along with
the methodology of extracting a certain [then-legal] product from poppies
[and it also details the `side-effects'] :-)
Yes, old-books are a wonderful source of info, that certain folks would
prefer you not to have these days...
Used as the propellant for shells, usually in maritime applications.
(The great-big `circular-cushions' that are rammed into the breach after
the shell [See `Under Seige' -- if you can bear it] )
... they probably use something a little more advanced these days
though, but I expect it is a fundamentally similar recipe...
Cheers,
James
Simon Brooke
> > In outpouring of consciousness known as <73d1if$sfq$1...@newnews.global.net
> > .uk>, Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
> > > [...]
> > >When I say soul mate, I mean forever:
> > >Where are you sweet rose, why so long?
>
> How long has it been? Three feet?
On the floor?
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Gillian Matthews
<hol...@cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> Also known as Gun-Cotton -- which as I recall is trivial to make, and
> the full recipe is listed in slightly older encylopaedia... (along with
> the methodology of extracting a certain [then-legal] product from poppies
> [and it also details the `side-effects'] :-)
> Yes, old-books are a wonderful source of info, that certain folks would
> prefer you not to have these days...
Yes indeedy one of my prime victorian tomes amusingly entitled 'unusual
things for lively youngsters' endearingly explains how to make your own
nitrogen tri iodide for use in exploding jokes Worked a treat :-)
Gill
Dan Scorpio
[As an addendum for those wit divers rezpons
on what din, try Anarchist's Cook Book. Boom! Boom!]
J M Kemp
>> In article <73kc9s$2g0$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>,
>> Dan Scorpio <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> >PS whats wadding?
>See-also: Nitro-cellulose.
>
>Also known as Gun-Cotton -- which as I recall is trivial to make, and
[...]
>
>Used as the propellant for shells, usually in maritime applications.
>(The great-big `circular-cushions' that are rammed into the breach after
>the shell [See `Under Seige' -- if you can bear it] )
Wadding isn't the propellant, it's usually for keeping the projectile in
place and for compressing the charge to make it explode more
effectively. Gun cotton is a propellant though, and in breech-loaders
you don't need wadding because the projectile usually does the job.
>
>... they probably use something a little more advanced these days
>though, but I expect it is a fundamentally similar recipe...
Modern artillery propellant looks like dried pasta and comes in little
foil-lined cloth bags. Burns very nicely though if you set fire to it...
--
Jas
Julie Bennett
>Yes, I've had a look around the other groups (recommended in the FAQ entry)
>and I can't say I'm impressed by the amount of pornospam, troilism,
>voyeurism and general perversion on offer. Oh dear.
>I do take exception at getting flak when you have personal entries in here
>saying 'look at my dick'/ 'young and gay'/'thirtysomething'/'black male' and
>the rest passing without comment. Double standards for newbies?
The royal "they" pretty much throws those wanna shags away faster than you
can press delete. Newbies with sincere adds get the heat.
>Mine was a sincere ad, (and please don't use the royal 'we' unless you have
>the royal assent, it makes you look so silly), innocent and direct without
>being crude.
Oops...
>I hope this is a respectful response, and that any responses be likewise.
>Thanks for your love Julie, we all need more of that.
You're welcome. I agree.
>If required, I can also play games: I just don't choose to. The world
>becomes a better place with less bullshit.
God, ain't that the truth. I had enough bullshit to last a lifetime with
the last "the one."
--
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http://www.sirius.com/~laughing/jules/
Julie Bennett
>OK: Thanks for wising me up. I'll be a good boy from now on... well not that
>good. (I was going to be cheeky & post a topic saying 'I'm thinking of
>placing an ad in the Guardian along the following lines and would like
>comment before I do...', heh, heh, but, accepting your assurances of no
>multiple standards, I won't.)
>Be back soon, busy fighting Taoists: take care all.
Bodhisattvas to the rescue.
>PS whats wadding?
Isn't that the skin under the chin that Fish goes on about?
--
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http://www.sirius.com/~laughing/jules/
Steve Way
<sam...@sirius.com> writes
>"Dan Scorpio" <zen...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>PS whats wadding?
>
>Isn't that the skin under the chin that Fish goes on about?
>
Nope, that's a wattle. As in the emblem of Australia.
--
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James Holtom
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.981127154626.736I-100000@aniu>, James Holtom
> <hol...@cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Yes, old-books are a wonderful source of info, that certain folks would
> > prefer you not to have these days...
>
> Yes indeedy one of my prime victorian tomes amusingly entitled 'unusual
> things for lively youngsters' endearingly explains how to make your own
> nitrogen tri iodide for use in exploding jokes Worked a treat :-)
Glorious :-)
Trouble is I doubt you'd be able to get the ingredients these days --
people seem to believe that people cannot be trusted to do _anything_
these days...
Paracetamol in tiny packets
Packs of peanuts warning: `Contains nuts' [I kid ye not]
Electrical doobries warning: `No user-servicable parts' [1]
[1] If its broken, and not working, I cannot use it -- hence I am
no-longer a `user', so I _shall_ service it ;-)
So, like software which asks you 15-times-over if you are /really/ sure
you want to install it, you start ignoring the stupid warnings...
Oh to be treated like an adult...
Cheers,
James, busy hating the world, and idiots that `run' things.
Chris Morgan
> So, like software which asks you 15-times-over if you are /really/ sure
> you want to install it, you start ignoring the stupid warnings...
Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
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Deltic the Locomotive
>James Holtom <hol...@cs.bris.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> So, like software which asks you 15-times-over if you are /really/ sure
>> you want to install it, you start ignoring the stupid warnings...
>
>Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
>stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
>
running System 8.0.
OTOH, it is still running at the minute, even with a defective root node
that refuses to be fixed.
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Gillian Matthews
<hol...@cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Yes indeedy one of my prime victorian tomes amusingly entitled 'unusual
> > things for lively youngsters' endearingly explains how to make your own
> > nitrogen tri iodide for use in exploding jokes Worked a treat :-)
>
> Glorious :-)
>
> Trouble is I doubt you'd be able to get the ingredients these days --
> people seem to believe that people cannot be trusted to do _anything_
> these days...
The ingredients are ammonia and iodine. Probably reasonably easy for anyone
to obtain but of course a chemistry teacher has no problems at all ;-)
Gill
David Reid
Yen.cottingham.u-net.com>, Deltic the Locomotive <deltic@cottingham.u-
net.com> spake thusly:
>>
>My Mac does this periodically to it's fixed disc, but there again, it is
>running System 8.0.
That's impossible, Macs are wonderful and don't do unfriendly things.
Mac owners are always telling us this.
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> X-No-Archive: Yes
> Chris:
> >Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
> >stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
> Isn't that the one you were telling me about that asked you if you were
> sure, then if you were really *really* sure that you wanted to delete
> everything on your hard drive? It just kicks in, that OK reflex...
As I remember I narrated the meaning of the following command
rm -rf *
in such a way that it seemed like an interactive process ("please
delete everything recursively from here down overriding protections")
however it actually takes only a couple of seconds to type and doesn't
ask any questions whatsoever.
DD
>mtb...@aol.commanchaca (MTB0001) writes:
>
>As I remember I narrated the meaning of the following command
>
>rm -rf *
>
>in such a way that it seemed like an interactive process ("please
>delete everything recursively from here down overriding protections")
And even more fun when you alias it to "dir" <grin>
DD
Simon Lamont
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:22:03 +0000, in
><JwaUsAA7...@ways.demon.co.uk>, Steve Way wrote:
>>--
>>Steve, hooked on McBeal.
>
>
>And since we were talking about Harrison Ford films last week, Fish
>was in "Clear and Present Danger". And of course there was the time
>when Quark played a judge in Ally McBeal.
>
>Janet tells me The Biscuit was a regular on ER.
Chicago Hope, surely? He (Peter McNichol) was "The Eel" - hospital
lawyer.
Simon, adding that Billy (Gil Bellows) was the inmate the governor had
shot in The Shawshank Redemption...
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Stuart O. Bronstein
>John Wright <js...@rl.ac.uk> writes
>>Steve Way wrote:
>>>--
>>>Steve, hooked on McBeal.
>>
>>was in "Clear and Present Danger". And of course there was the time
>>when Quark played a judge in Ally McBeal.
>>
>>Janet tells me The Biscuit was a regular on ER.
>
>Chicago Hope, surely? He (Peter McNichol) was "The Eel" - hospital
>lawyer.
I don't watch it myself, but I understand that he played a doctor on ER,
and was eventually killed off.
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Simon Lamont
>Simon Lamont <ot...@gizmo1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>John Wright <js...@rl.ac.uk> writes
>>>Steve Way wrote:
>>>>--
>>>>Steve, hooked on McBeal.
>>>
>>>And since we were talking about Harrison Ford films last week, Fish
>>>was in "Clear and Present Danger". And of course there was the time
>>>when Quark played a judge in Ally McBeal.
>>>
>>>Janet tells me The Biscuit was a regular on ER.
>>
>>Chicago Hope, surely? He (Peter McNichol) was "The Eel" - hospital
>>lawyer.
>
>I don't watch it myself, but I understand that he played a doctor on ER,
>and was eventually killed off.
No mention of him being in ER on the IMdB, either main or guest cast...
The Eel was killed off in CH, though - shot, I believe, though I missed
that particular episode.
Lisa Nicole Carlson (AMB's Renee) *was* in ER as well...
The Pilgrim
>
> mtb...@aol.commanchaca (MTB0001) writes:
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> > Chris:
> > >Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
> > >stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
> > Isn't that the one you were telling me about that asked you if you were
> > sure, then if you were really *really* sure that you wanted to delete
> > everything on your hard drive? It just kicks in, that OK reflex...
>
>
> rm -rf *
>
> in such a way that it seemed like an interactive process ("please
> delete everything recursively from here down overriding protections")
> ask any questions whatsoever.
> --
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If you really want to screw up your system try rm -rf /
Then again I new one sadistic Operator who hated M$oft who put this line
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alias del rm -r $HOME
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Simon Brooke
> James Holtom <hol...@cs.bris.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > So, like software which asks you 15-times-over if you are /really/ sure
> > you want to install it, you start ignoring the stupid warnings...
>
> Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
> stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
Of course, no experienced professional would do that...
Simon, who accidentally blew away the virtusertable on the principal
mail host of an ISP I was doing some work for today. Ooops...
Chris Morgan
> > Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
> > stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
>
> Of course, no experienced professional would do that...
Probably. I am an experienced unprofessional.
>
> Simon, who accidentally blew away the virtusertable on the principal
> mail host of an ISP I was doing some work for today. Ooops...
Tee-hee.
Chris
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Catherine MacLeod
<ot...@gizmo1.demon.co.uk> writes
>No mention of him being in ER on the IMdB, either main or guest cast...
>The Eel was killed off in CH, though - shot, I believe, though I missed
>that particular episode.
I don't remember him in ER, and I think I've only ever missed one
episode. I never got into Chicago Hope, so he may have been in that.
>Lisa Nicole Carlson (AMB's Renee) *was* in ER as well...
Yeah, she was the mother of Benton's son, wasn't she?
The problem I have with McBeal characters is that Billy reminds me of my
brother - one of the shots in the opening credits is really like him.
Most disconcerting.
--
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Gillian Matthews
del...@cottingham.u-net.com (Deltic the Locomotive) wrote:
> >> So, like software which asks you 15-times-over if you are /really/ sure
> >> you want to install it, you start ignoring the stupid warnings...
> >
> >stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
> >
> running System 8.0.
> that refuses to be fixed.
that comes of running a sad out of date OS. ps I also have Windoze but Im
sort of used to turning on a computer and having it work straight away an
idea which has passed B**l G***s by so i dont use it
Gill (who has just said goodbye to dinner party guests and is feeiling the
fx)
Steve
>the emblem of our land.
>You can stick it in a bottle,
>you can hold it in your hand
Crack tubes...
>
>>Steve, hooked on McBeal.
>
>Us too..
I've got withdrawal symptoms ATM....
No Ally McBeal, ER or Northern Exposure, and
Babylon 5 is only on repeats....
Why must the Beeb run Seinfield so erratically?
Steve, considering digital
Simon Lamont
>Simon Lamont <ot...@gizmo1.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Lisa Nicole Carlson (AMB's Renee) *was* in ER as well...
>
>Yeah, she was the mother of Benton's son, wasn't she?
Think so, but I never really got into ER so don't take my word for it...
Simon, who's also managed to miss most of the recent CH episodes :(
Simon Lamont
>I've got withdrawal symptoms ATM....
>
>No Ally McBeal, ER or Northern Exposure, and
>Babylon 5 is only on repeats....
IIRC the final 5 of B5 will be stripped after Christmas - late morning
with cuts, late night repeats uncut as they have with the rest of the
season.
Simon, who has AMB season 1 and all of NE on tape :) *contented sigh*
Nhi Vanye
>
>
>mtb...@aol.commanchaca (MTB0001) writes:
>
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>> Chris:
>> >stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
>> sure, then if you were really *really* sure that you wanted to delete
>> everything on your hard drive? It just kicks in, that OK reflex...
>
>As I remember I narrated the meaning of the following command
>
>rm -rf *
>
>in such a way that it seemed like an interactive process ("please
>delete everything recursively from here down overriding protections")
>however it actually takes only a couple of seconds to type and doesn't
>ask any questions whatsoever.
Tut, Tut, Chris. What if you have rm aliased to 'rm -i', the -rf doesn't turn off the -i. So to DWYM, you need
# \rm -rf *
I prefer the classic
# newfs /
Although those pussy developers have now made it ask for confirmation...Wuss.
>Chris Morgan <mihalis at ix.netcom.com>
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Simon Brooke
> As I remember I narrated the meaning of the following command
>
> rm -rf *
No, no, no, no, no.
rm -rf /
Get it right...
Simon, who has once done this. Deliberately. And with deep joy.
Deltic the Locomotive
>In outpouring of consciousness known as <slrn7666s4.ap.deltic@Fei-
>Yen.cottingham.u-net.com>, Deltic the Locomotive <deltic@cottingham.u-
>net.com> spake thusly:
>>>
>>running System 8.0.
>
>Mac owners are always telling us this.
>
It works well if you turn the memory swapping off though. (Fast? Wheeeee!)
Yes Macs are wonderful, and mine is not at all unfriendly, it just tells me
by putting a cute little icon in the centre of the screen that the disc it
is trying to boot from contains no boot data and it can't find another one.
This is of course after softening me up by smiling at me. :-)
Nick Leverton
js...@rl.ac.uk (John Wright) writes:
>Would these work if you put them into an anti-spam email address?
>David Hansen over on uk.t was moaning a lot the other week when Pete
>Lucas put +++ATH0 in his :-))
Shouldn't, as according to Hayes' patent, there should be a guard time
of at least a second's silence on each side of the +++. However, some
people with suboptimal scripts do apparently find that
NO CARRIER
on a line by itself can trigger the same effect.
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James Holtom
> I've got withdrawal symptoms ATM....
>
> No Ally McBeal, ER or Northern Exposure, and
> Babylon 5 is only on repeats....
>
> Why must the Beeb run Seinfield so erratically?
> Steve, considering digital
Precisely so they can persuade you to go digital?
Cheers,
James
James Holtom
> I run sad bastard Acorn and have never lost anything I didnt MEAN to lose
> that comes of running a sad out of date OS.
Wahey...
Nice OS... And if you've got a RiscPC you can use 3.70 which isn't
_that_ badly out-of-date... (My home OS)
Apparently Acorn are in negotiation with a third-party, wrt releasing
RISC OS 4, as an upgrade for RiscPCs (rather than on the `Phoebe',
before it was cancelled)
See:
http://www.cybervillage.co.uk/acorn/hotnet/
for regular info.
> ps I also have Windoze but Im
> sort of used to turning on a computer and having it work straight away an
> idea which has passed B**l G***s by so i dont use it
At-'em girl :-)
> Gill (who has just said goodbye to dinner party guests and is feeiling the
> fx)
\begin{washing-up}
:-)
Cheers,
James
Chris Morgan
> Tut, Tut, Chris. What if you have rm aliased to 'rm -i', the -rf doesn't turn off the -i. So to DWYM, you need
>
> # \rm -rf *
The interactive version (-i) is no help whatsoever for a real hacker
as you well know. After an hour or two the way to remove a file
becomes
$ rm filename<return>
$ y<return>
with absolutely no pause between the two!
>
> I prefer the classic
>
> # newfs /
Oh yes, I managed to blow away /home this way (actually via typing
ahead rather injudiciously in Slackware's setup utility). However it
was all a long time ago and I've been quite successful since then. Us
unemployed people have the time to do pointless things like upgrading
to the latest version for no particular reason.
>
> Although those pussy developers have now made it ask for
> confirmation...Wuss.
This might help since most of us don't make new file systems very
often!
Chris
--
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Chris Morgan
> Chris Morgan <mih...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
> > As I remember I narrated the meaning of the following command
> >
> > rm -rf *
>
> No, no, no, no, no.
>
> rm -rf /
>
> Get it right...
Simon gives the canonical Unix version of "nuke it from orbit" ;)
>
> Simon, who has once done this. Deliberately. And with deep joy.
I've just remembered an excellent disaster I had at my London
job. Non-techie readers may exit screen now and at their option hold
to buying them a drink for being dull and techie if they ever hunt me
down in a bar.
Anyway, a shell script I was using asked for a top level dir in which
to install some software. I told it to use ~/gnu which already existed
(i.e. /home/cm/gnu). However it being a sh script, it created a
directory called "~/gnu" directly below where I happened to be
working. Oh bollocks I thought, right, soon fix that :
$ rm -rf ~
....
Oh shit!!!!!
Ctrl-C
Ctrl-C
Ctrl-C
<fx noise of frantic phone dialling>
"Errm, could you restore my account, I've deleted it.
Yes, all of it.
(sigh) It's a long story"
Karen O'Mara
>
> Anyway, a shell script I was using asked for a top level dir in which
> to install some software. I told it to use ~/gnu which already existed
> (i.e. /home/cm/gnu). However it being a sh script, it created a
> directory called "~/gnu" directly below where I happened to be
Ahhhhhh, so this is where the term "What's gnu?" originated!
Karen
David Reid
Yen.cottingham.u-net.com>, Deltic the Locomotive <deltic@cottingham.u-
net.com> spake thusly:
>In schedule Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:50:33 +0000, David Reid stated that:
>>In outpouring of consciousness known as <slrn7666s4.ap.deltic@Fei-
>>
>>Mac owners are always telling us this.
>>
>You haven't used System 8.0 have you?
I've never used a Mac at all. I was simply going on what I've been told
by Mac owners.
Charles Bryant
>Tut, Tut, Chris. What if you have rm aliased to 'rm -i', the -rf doesn't turn off the -i. So to DWYM, you need
>
> # \rm -rf *
If you have aliased 'rm' to 'rm -i' you will eventually say 'rm -rf *',
relying on the alias, and then remember you're on a different
machine, or logged in as root, or booted from floppy, or suchlike.
I've never liked commands which ask for confirmation: if I wasn't
sure I'd have checked first.
Charles Bryant
Nick Leverton <lev...@warren.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <7419pm$2g...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>
> js...@rl.ac.uk (John Wright) writes:
>>Would these work if you put them into an anti-spam email address?
>>David Hansen over on uk.t was moaning a lot the other week when Pete
>>Lucas put +++ATH0 in his :-))
>
>Shouldn't, as according to Hayes' patent, there should be a guard time
>of at least a second's silence on each side of the +++.
Some modems don't use the silence to avoid infringing the patent.
Deltic the Locomotive
<Snip>
>
>I've just remembered an excellent disaster I had at my London
>job. Non-techie readers may exit screen now and at their option hold
>to buying them a drink for being dull and techie if they ever hunt me
>down in a bar.
>
>Anyway, a shell script I was using asked for a top level dir in which
>to install some software. I told it to use ~/gnu which already existed
>(i.e. /home/cm/gnu). However it being a sh script, it created a
>directory called "~/gnu" directly below where I happened to be
>working. Oh bollocks I thought, right, soon fix that :
>
>$ rm -rf ~
>
>....
>
>Oh shit!!!!!
>
>Ctrl-C
>Ctrl-C
>Ctrl-C
>
><fx noise of frantic phone dialling>
>
>"Errm, could you restore my account, I've deleted it.
> Yes, all of it.
> (sigh) It's a long story"
>
>Chris
Almost as much fun as the disgruntled tech who told someone who has
forgotten their password that technicians called passwords partitions the idea
being analogous to a physical partition that to keep other people out of their
$HOME sweet $HOME. They suggested to this poor none tech that they should
use the password removal facility called fdisk, and use it to remove the
primary DOS partition, this would remove their password and they could then
set a new one.
Ouch!
Deltic the Locomotive
>Thus spake "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <no...@llondel.demon.co.uk>:
>
>>>Linux is not like that. You can blow away all your email and other
>>>stuff in about 2 seconds with one slip of the keyboard. Trust me.
>>>
>>stuff in about 2 seconds without having to touch the keyboard.
>
> In Windoze it's impossible to get *anything* done in less than a
>minute. HTH.
>
>
Not fair, fowl, unsportsman like conduct. You shouldn't give yourself an
unfair advantage by running Windoze on a Cray T3E.
I demand that you be forced to work with a computer that responds to windoze
at the same rate that everyone else's does.
Deltic - Annoyed that it can take anything up to 15 minutes simply to be
recognised as an authorised university user.
Deltic the Locomotive
<Snip>
>I run sad bastard Acorn and have never lost anything I didnt MEAN to lose
>sort of used to turning on a computer and having it work straight away an
>idea which has passed B**l G***s by so i dont use it
>
>fx)
>
under RISCOS, are they still?
Deltic the Locomotive
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>Deltic:
>>You haven't used System 8.0 have you?
>
I'm looking at upgrading when I have the time/money to either buy the new OS
or download *all* the bug fixes, but I only have 32Mb on board RAM.
System 8.0 is very flaky, and the disc first aid pack is practically useless.
Come to think of it, drive set up aint so hot either....
Deltic the Locomotive
>In outpouring of consciousness known as <slrn76827f.4c.deltic@Fei-
>Yen.cottingham.u-net.com>, Deltic the Locomotive <deltic@cottingham.u-
>net.com> spake thusly:
>>In schedule Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:50:33 +0000, David Reid stated that:
>>>In outpouring of consciousness known as <slrn7666s4.ap.deltic@Fei-
>>>
>>>That's impossible, Macs are wonderful and don't do unfriendly things.
>>>Mac owners are always telling us this.
>>>
>
>by Mac owners.
>
O/S, ie system 8.0. One piece of advice I have to agree with is when Mac
produce anything that is Version x.0, don't touch it. Wait until it is in
version x.5 at least, then it will have all the bug fixes, and the bug fixes
which bug fix the bug fixes, and the bug fixes that bug fix the bug fixes
that bug fixed the bug fixes.
I like my Little *ppl* M*c*nt*sh, they are a lot easier to get attached to
than anything running Windoze.
BTW: I'm trying to amass a collection of the more unusuall drive types. Can
anyone tell me where I can get a floptical drive that the Mac can use on
it's external SCSI chain? (Preferably second user, it' cheaper)
Deltic - with a new SyQuest drive.
Nhi Vanye
>
>
>Deltic - Annoyed that it can take anything up to 15 minutes simply to be
>recognised as an authorised university user.
How long does it take to be recognised as someone from an different
university ?
vanye.
--
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I'm so sick of black and white.
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James Holtom
> In schedule Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:37:43 GMT, Gillian Matthews stated that:
> <Snip>
> >I run sad bastard Acorn and have never lost anything I didnt MEAN to lose
> >that comes of running a sad out of date OS. ps I also have Windoze but Im
> >sort of used to turning on a computer and having it work straight away an
> >idea which has passed B**l G***s by so i dont use it
> >
> >Gill (who has just said goodbye to dinner party guests and is feeiling the
> >fx)
>
> Nothing wrong with ACORNS, well not much. Their RISC PC's were *very* fast
> under RISCOS, are they still?
Indeed... I have a RiscPC, with RISC OS 3.70, and a StrongARM -- it
merrily zips along leaving Pentium [II] PCs foundering in its wake --
until you want to do any floating-point stuff that-is :-)
It isn't perfect, but it's the least-worst solution in terms of
useability IMBO.
The trouble-though has always been software availability, and
file-format compatibility with `industry-standards'. It was (and still
is) able to fulfill most of my computing needs, but I was finding
myself forever wanting some GPL'ed piece of software, and being faced
with the prospect of trying to sit-down and port it, rather than compile
it `out-of-the-box'.
Then came the blood-letting over at Cambridge, and Acorn pulled the rug
from underneath 30% of their workforce and cancelled the new machine.
The future looks very bleak (read: non-existent), for Acorn boxes.
Thus rendering much of my knowledge useless, afterall there seems little
point in continuing to pour resources (mainly time and effort) into a dead
architecture. It'd make much more sense to switch to a platform with
some life left in it, and one that might help get me a job one-day.
So FreeBSD here I come.
\end{techy-nostalgia-moan}
Cheers,
James, still distinctly miffed, and sad about this.
David Curtis
Chris Morgan <mih...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>of...@sgi.com (Nhi Vanye) writes:
>
>> Tut, Tut, Chris. What if you have rm aliased to 'rm -i', the -rf doesn't turn off the -i. So to DWYM, you need
>>
>> # \rm -rf *
>
>as you well know. After an hour or two the way to remove a file
>becomes
>$ rm filename<return>
>$ y<return>
>
>with absolutely no pause between the two!
But a real hacker has already set it to the non-interactive
version anyway.
David
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>But a real hacker has already set it to the non-interactive
>version anyway.
No, a real hacker uses her own version.
Pete.
Chris Morgan
> But a real hacker has already set it to the non-interactive
> version anyway.
Real hackers have to pass through the stage of apprentice hackership
and will often make the mistake of thinking the interactive version
will help them not delete files they don't want to, but one of the
signs of leaving the stage is realising this simply isn't true.
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Steve
writes
>$ from See signature -#199042 | sed "1,$s/^/> /"
>>
>>
>>Deltic - Annoyed that it can take anything up to 15 minutes simply to be
>>recognised as an authorised university user.
>
>How long does it take to be recognised as someone from an different
>university ?
As long as it takes to change your scarf....
Steve, possibly living in the past.
Nhi Vanye
>
>
>coml...@ermine.ox.ac.uk (David Curtis) writes:
>
>> But a real hacker has already set it to the non-interactive
>> version anyway.
>
>Real hackers have to pass through the stage of apprentice hackership
>and will often make the mistake of thinking the interactive version
>will help them not delete files they don't want to, but one of the
>signs of leaving the stage is realising this simply isn't true.
vanye---apprentice hacker...
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Stuart O. Bronstein
>Nothing wrong with ACORNS, well not much. Their RISC PC's were *very*
>fast under RISCOS, are they still?
Speaking of Acorn, has anyone heard from Alan Wrigley lately?
--
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for good reason, though we cannot at present remember that reason".
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Toby Fisher
>$ from See signature -#199042 | sed "1,$s/^/> /"
>>
>>
>>Deltic - Annoyed that it can take anything up to 15 minutes simply to be
>>recognised as an authorised university user.
>
>How long does it take to be recognised as someone from an different
>university ?
Dunno, but getting a context of Root is remarkably quick.
hth
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Alan H Jones
the Locomotive <del...@cottingham.u-net.com> writes
>One piece of advice I have to agree with is when Mac
>produce anything that is Version x.0, don't touch it. Wait until it is in
>version x.5 at least, then it will have all the bug fixes, and the bug fixes
>which bug fix the bug fixes, and the bug fixes that bug fix the bug fixes
>that bug fixed the bug fixes.
Yes, well... Mr Gates flogs his minions with sufficient vigour that most
of Microsoft's software works superbly when they get to version x.3 or
4, so there!
Have I led a very sheltered life? Apart from at the works of a barking
mad printer that I know, I have never seen a Mac, and even he is slowly
replacing with Windows PCs as the Macs die.
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Deltic the Locomotive
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>Deltic:
>>One piece of advice I have to agree with is when Mac
>>produce anything that is Version x.0, don't touch it. Wait until it is in
>>version x.5 at least,
>
>Netscrap and Exploder still crash all the time though.
>
My 2 versions of Nutscrape both run fine without Virtual memory under System
8.0, never used Exploder for Mac, don't want to, I have M*cr*$*ft OBDC for
MacLink and that's it, Mac is a Billy free Zone!
Deltic the Locomotive
>$ from See signature -#199042 | sed "1,$s/^/> /"
>>
>>
>>Deltic - Annoyed that it can take anything up to 15 minutes simply to be
>>recognised as an authorised university user.
>
>How long does it take to be recognised as someone from an different
>university ?
>
>
Deltic the Locomotive
<Snip>
>
>Yes, well... Mr Gates flogs his minions with sufficient vigour that most
>of Microsoft's software works superbly when they get to version x.3 or
>4, so there!
>
>Have I led a very sheltered life? Apart from at the works of a barking
>mad printer that I know, I have never seen a Mac, and even he is slowly
>replacing with Windows PCs as the Macs die.
It's you, you have lead a sheltered life. I have *never* come across a piece
of Billy Ware (and I've met a great deal let me tell you) that worked
properly, infact, a vast number only nearly worked, and great deal couldn't
even startup.
As for Macs, 98% of the graphics industry (according to some large, American
finance house) use the Apple Mac because the I*M architecture is
1) Not fast enough
2) In some cases, can't divide
3) Has a funny memory referencing system that slows it down
4) Is still CISC
5) Can't always handle all the colours that are needed
6) Don't in general have true colour matching
and the OS's (with the exception of the *nixes)
1) Too memory hungry to be able to contain large graphics files
2) Can't render fonts correctly
3) Can't memory swap correctly
4) Fall apart even more than system 8 or indeed 7 do
5) Produce overly huge graphics files
6) Don't use a very fast file system
7) Don't use a very reliable file system
8) Until recently could not full length file name
9) Are still very obtuse about what has actually gone wrong when they break
down
10) Don't network very well
11) Don't memory lock correctly
Jon
the Locomotive) wrote:
>9) Are still very obtuse about what has actually gone wrong when they break
Just brought the memory back... "Atari" the error code was the number
of bombs displayed......
Jon
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Bob Brenchley
Jones <al...@antler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <slrn76ddn5...@Fei-Yen.cottingham.u-net.com>, Deltic
>the Locomotive <del...@cottingham.u-net.com> writes
>>One piece of advice I have to agree with is when Mac
>>produce anything that is Version x.0, don't touch it. Wait until it is in
>>version x.5 at least, then it will have all the bug fixes, and the bug fixes
>>which bug fix the bug fixes, and the bug fixes that bug fix the bug fixes
>>that bug fixed the bug fixes.
>
>Yes, well... Mr Gates flogs his minions with sufficient vigour that most
>of Microsoft's software works superbly when they get to version x.3 or
>4, so there!
Mmmm make that x.33 and maybe I would agree :)
>
>Have I led a very sheltered life? Apart from at the works of a barking
>mad printer that I know, I have never seen a Mac, and even he is slowly
>replacing with Windows PCs as the Macs die.
I've rarely found a printer (except a few small ones who had all their
typesetting done outside) who did not have a Mac. My printer has just
finished converting the company he acquired last year over to Macs.
--
Bob.
Everyone needs to believe in something. I believe I'll have another bar of chocolate.
Chris Morgan
> 6) Don't use a very fast file system
> 7) Don't use a very reliable file system
> 10) Don't network very well
You can't seriously be saying the Apple Mac wins on these counts? The
Mac filesystem is a horrible joke (at the low level, I'm not talking
about the user interface level) which is why switching to Unix
underpinning (Mach/NeXT) should help MacOS a lot.
Proper support for networking with non-Apple machines is a very recent
thing on Apples. Anyone who ever had to use horrible things like
MacTCP and TCPSwitcher probably agrees with me here.
Chris
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Media Goddess
Bob Brenchley wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:59:22 +0000 on this learned newsgroup Alan H
> Jones <al...@antler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <slrn76ddn5...@Fei-Yen.cottingham.u-net.com>, Deltic
> >the Locomotive <del...@cottingham.u-net.com> writes
> >>One piece of advice I have to agree with is when Mac
> >>produce anything that is Version x.0, don't touch it. Wait until it is in
> >>version x.5 at least, then it will have all the bug fixes, and the bug fixes
> >>which bug fix the bug fixes, and the bug fixes that bug fix the bug fixes
> >>that bug fixed the bug fixes.
> >
> At least Apple (I'm a hardcore Mac user and wouldn't touch anything else) finds bugs,
> and fixes them promptly, thus the numerous MacOS versions. Microsoft, on the other
> hand, lets you stew with Win95 for several years before it comes out with something
> slightly less twisted.
> >
> >Have I led a very sheltered life? Apart from at the works of a barking
> >mad printer that I know, I have never seen a Mac, and even he is slowly
> >replacing with Windows PCs as the Macs die.
>
> I've rarely found a printer (except a few small ones who had all their
> typesetting done outside) who did not have a Mac. My printer has just
> finished converting the company he acquired last year over to Macs.
>
> --
Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the industry
standard, because it is superior for those applications. There's a very good reason that
Microsoft came out with Office 98 for Mac before the Windows version: he knows that Mac
users will never give up and die. We will hold our ground. I just got a new iMac a week
ago, and it is the most spendid thing I have ever owned. But, I'm a photographer and
Graphic Designer, so it's the most logical platform for me to work on. There are
printers in this country that can't accomodate Windows files at all, because no serious
designers work in it.
-Rae
>
>
Nhi Vanye
>
>
>Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the industry
>standard, because it is superior for those applications.
I would argue that, you need to define what you mean by 'graphics'.
At the low end, yes, but higher up, you'll proably find its all SGI...
>-Rae
vanye---THE graphics company....
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David Reid
Media Goddess <rdu...@indiana.edu> spake thusly:
>
>Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the industry
>standard, because it is superior for those applications.
Is it really though? Or is it just that because all the graphics people
use them all the best graphics software is written for them etc..
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Media Goddess
David Reid wrote:
It's a question of supply and demand. Graphic designers prefer the MacOS, because
it handles colors and fonts better than a PC format. So, developers respond to that
and write the best software for that. I'm a designer, among other things, and from
the independent, out of your house desk top publishing end to the big print house,
advertising end, it's all Macs.
-Rae
Nick Meredith
<rdu...@indiana.edu> wrote:
> It's a question of supply and demand. Graphic designers prefer the MacOS, because
>it handles colors and fonts better than a PC format. So, developers respond to that
>and write the best software for that. I'm a designer, among other things, and from
>the independent, out of your house desk top publishing end to the big print house,
>advertising end, it's all Macs.
handles or handled?
There is no doubt in my mind that Macs used to do this far better than
PCs - but I'm not so sure now. Certainly in the publishing world more
people seem to be using PCs these days.
--
Nick Meredith, Coventry, UK
David Reid
co.uk>, Nick Meredith <nic...@zetnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
>
>handles or handled?
>
>There is no doubt in my mind that Macs used to do this far better than
>PCs - but I'm not so sure now. Certainly in the publishing world more
>people seem to be using PCs these days.
That's what I was getting at. IIRC when the Mac was launched PCs used
DOS with mostly character based displays. They were generally not good
at graphic based work and it tended to be hard to move files between
applications, font support was definitely on a per application basis and
even then was fairly non existent. However with Windows based
applications none of this is true any more. Similar things can be said
about other formats, Atari STs are traditionally good for music because
IIRC they came with MIDI support built in, Amigas are traditionally good
for TV which I gather is because the rather corner cutting graphics
system in the original ones was designed to work with a standard TV set
and so lent itself to the mangling of TV images.
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Bob Brenchley
Goddess <rdu...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>> finished converting the company he acquired last year over to Macs.
>>
>> --
>
>Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the industry
>standard, because it is superior for those applications. There's a very good reason that
>Microsoft came out with Office 98 for Mac before the Windows version: he knows that Mac
>users will never give up and die. We will hold our ground. I just got a new iMac a week
>ago, and it is the most spendid thing I have ever owned. But, I'm a photographer and
>Graphic Designer, so it's the most logical platform for me to work on.
I agree with you, in about 80% of cases. These days the PC really
/CAN/ hold its own in the graphics field - if people let it. The
problem is that Microsloth insist on using the sub-standard True Type
fonts instead on the industry standard Adobe Type 1 fonts.
>There are
>printers in this country that can't accomodate Windows files at all, because no serious
>designers work in it.
I know several top graphic designers that use PCs simply because the
hardware and software is so much cheaper. However, they then convert
to Mac discs for transfer to the real world.
>
>-Rae
Bob Brenchley
Reid <da...@davita.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In outpouring of consciousness known as <36719DC7...@indiana.edu>,
>Media Goddess <rdu...@indiana.edu> spake thusly:
>>
>>Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the industry
>>standard, because it is superior for those applications.
>
>Is it really though? Or is it just that because all the graphics people
>use them all the best graphics software is written for them etc..
It is a chicken and egg situation. But it is true to say the best
software is on the mac.
Bob Brenchley
nic...@zetnet.co.uk (Nick Meredith) wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:09:51 -0600, Media Goddess
><rdu...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>> It's a question of supply and demand. Graphic designers prefer the MacOS, because
>>it handles colors and fonts better than a PC format. So, developers respond to that
>>and write the best software for that. I'm a designer, among other things, and from
>>the independent, out of your house desk top publishing end to the big print house,
>>advertising end, it's all Macs.
>
>handles or handled?
>
>There is no doubt in my mind that Macs used to do this far better than
>PCs - but I'm not so sure now. Certainly in the publishing world more
>people seem to be using PCs these days.
This I think is true, but only where money is a big consideration (ie
with smaller or start-up companies). And then you will usually find a
mac in the system somewhere.
Alan H Jones
<Brenc...@aol.com> writes
>On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:51:18 +0000 on this learned newsgroup David
>Reid <da...@davita.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In outpouring of consciousness known as <36719DC7...@indiana.edu>,
>>Media Goddess <rdu...@indiana.edu> spake thusly:
>>>
>>>Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the
>industry
>>>standard, because it is superior for those applications.
>>
>>Is it really though? Or is it just that because all the graphics people
>>use them all the best graphics software is written for them etc..
>
>It is a chicken and egg situation. But it is true to say the best
>software is on the mac.
>
PrintWeek a few months ago that one of the major software companies had
brought out an upgrade for the PC but said they had no plans to do so
for the Mac. Unfortunately, as it merely confirmed my suspicions that
Apple was doomed, I did not make a note of the company. It might have
been Quark.
Julie Bennett
>Catherine MacLeod <ca...@ways.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Simon Lamont <ot...@gizmo1.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>>Lisa Nicole Carlson (AMB's Renee) *was* in ER as well...
>>
>>Yeah, she was the mother of Benton's son, wasn't she?
>
>Think so, but I never really got into ER so don't take my word for it...
Carla. They had a mini relationship, they broke up, she found ou she was
pregnant. IIRC.
Are you guys getting "The Practice" in the UK yet? It's really good. Also
was created by David Kelly. It is a law firm also based in Boston, there
was an epidsode (two parts I think) that some of the McBeal crew were
working with The Practice crew on a case.
--
Jules
"Watch out, you might get what you're after."
Burning Down the House, Talking Heads
Nick Leverton
Oh, we get all the practice we want.
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>
> On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:51:18 +0000, David Reid wrote:
>
> >
> >Is it really though? Or is it just that because all the graphics people
> >use them all the best graphics software is written for them etc..
> >
> Windoze.... because all the morons and lusers use Windoze.
>
Humm ... Possibly, however Windows was forced apon me at work. I.E. use
it or get another job. However as SUSE have launched their Office Sweet
for Linux I feel a campaign coming on.
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Simon Brooke
> In outpouring of consciousness known as <36719DC7...@indiana.edu>,
> Media Goddess <rdu...@indiana.edu> spake thusly:
> >
> >Anyone doing anything remotely graphic oriented uses Macs, as it is the industry
> >standard, because it is superior for those applications.
>
> Is it really though? Or is it just that because all the graphics people
> use them all the best graphics software is written for them etc..
Yes-ish, but only to the extent that it's a better engineered machine
than the PC, for all purposes. There's nothing special about a Mac for
graphics. Simply, the original design was quite good (unlike the PC)
and it's been developed by a consistent set of people working with a
common focus (unlike the PC). As a machine for *lusers*, it's probably
as good as any (Acorn RISC PC might just be better because more modern
basic design and better operating system).
Having said that, I personally find them the most bloody frustrating
things to work on, because the effort that has been put in to making
all that complex functionality available to lusers mean that they cock
their machines up most royally, and when you try to sort out the mess
they are *very* opaque (NeXT was even worse. I **HATE** NeXT!).
Why can't lusers learn to use UN*X?
--
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Julie Bennett
> sam...@sirius.com (Julie Bennett) writes:
>>
>>Are you guys getting "The Practice" in the UK yet?
>Oh, we get all the practice we want.
Yeah, right.
Sharon Pending
Address in.sig} <no...@llondel.demon.co.uk> writes
>On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:42:31 GMT, John Wright wrote:
>
>>
>>Our corporate standard email program is supposed to be Microshite
>>Outlook, but some of us are resisting...
>>
>Do you also get the Exchange Server with mail-eating bug? I couldn't
>believe it when I first heard about it but given that it's M$ software
>I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
>
>For those who don't know, Exchange running on an NT server has problems
>handling large messages greater than the available disk space. OK, so
>other mail agents on other platforms also have this trouble. However,
>as far as I'm aware, they are at least sensible enough to reject the
>incoming message with a 400-series error response, thus ensuring the
>far end will retry later. Exchange appears to accept the mail, quietly
>eat it and not even bother to log the fact that it has eaten the
>message, so the unfortunate message disappears without trace.
>
>In the end I got the supplier to email the large file to my home
>account and I downloaded it using POP3 at work.
>
>
>Dave
A lot of Exchange 5.5 problems are cured by SP1, including the bug where
it refuses to use white space left after mails have been deleted!
Sharon Pending
Tokenism
David Reid
.org.uk>, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk> spake thusly:
>
>Yes-ish, but only to the extent that it's a better engineered machine
>than the PC, for all purposes. There's nothing special about a Mac for
>graphics. Simply, the original design was quite good (unlike the PC)
>and it's been developed by a consistent set of people working with a
>common focus (unlike the PC). As a machine for *lusers*, it's probably
>as good as any (Acorn RISC PC might just be better because more modern
>basic design and better operating system).
>
monopoly but Wintel only control the OS and Processor of the PC and even
then not totally, Apple have always controlled everything on the Mac.
Suppose in the early days most people had bought the "best" solution
instead of the "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" solution, Apple
would have far greater control over the computer on your desk than
Microsoft have ever had, then how loudly would everyone be complaining?
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Chris Morgan
>everybody complains about the Wintel monopoly but Wintel only control
>the OS and Processor of the PC and even then not totally, Apple have
>always controlled everything on the Mac. Suppose in the early days
>most people had bought the "best" solution instead of the "no one
>ever got fired for buying IBM" solution, Apple would have far greater
>control over the computer on your desk than Microsoft have ever had,
>then how loudly would everyone be complaining?
If necessary very loudly indeed. With Microsoft it's not just the
principle of how much power they have, it's also the fact of how they
use it. For example "We have to make sure that write once run
everywhere never happens" - Bill Gates, talking about this much
anticipated promise of Java.
We'll also complain about the next Monopolist, don't you worry.
Nick Leverton
sam...@sirius.com (Julie Bennett) writes:
>lev...@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton) wrote:
>> sam...@sirius.com (Julie Bennett) writes:
>>>
>>>Are you guys getting "The Practice" in the UK yet?
>
>>Oh, we get all the practice we want.
>
>Yeah, right.
Sure. Like lifeboatmen, we hold ourself constantly in readiness.
b...@bp.com
Jen
Nick Leverton <lev...@warren.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<913747...@warren.demon.co.uk>...
James Holtom
> 'ang on, 'ang on - loads of us don't have a choice these days. This may
> make our bosses morons and lusers, but it doesn't mean the same for
> the rest of us.
Indeed.
> Our corporate standard email program is supposed to be Microshite
> Outlook, but some of us are resisting...
They do say that resistance is useless...
But it has to be worth a go.
And you use LaTeX, instead of M$ {Wo,Tu}rd I hope?
Cheers,
James
David Curtis
Julie Bennett <sam...@sirius.com> wrote:
>Simon Lamont <ot...@gizmo1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Catherine MacLeod <ca...@ways.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Simon Lamont <ot...@gizmo1.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>>Lisa Nicole Carlson (AMB's Renee) *was* in ER as well...
>>>
>>>Yeah, she was the mother of Benton's son, wasn't she?
>>
>>Think so, but I never really got into ER so don't take my word for it...
>
>Carla. They had a mini relationship, they broke up, she found ou she was
>pregnant. IIRC.
>
NO!!!!!
*pout*
Wanna see Camryn
*pout* again.
*pout* *pout*
David
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The Minotaur <wr...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Nick Leverton wrote:
>
>> Sure. Like lifeboatmen, we hold ourself constantly in readiness.
>
Perhaps, but it's worth it for the feeling of satisfaction after a
successful conclusion.
>And isn't it difficult doing everything with only one hand?
You'd be surprised how well you can work around things ...
Chris Morgan
> Because its not intuitive in the way, say, VMS is. Just because it
> stands aloof from Microshite, doesn't make it good or easy to use by
> necessity.
I used VMS for five years (we had several million pounds worth of
VAXes including two clusters, one of which was numerically maxed out)
but I still prefer Unix. Ignoring first impressions it's more elegant
and powerful than anything else I've used. I felt this way after about
two weeks learning it on a vt320 terminal logging into a shared
SPARC5. I find that it is indeed good and easy to use. To me it was
just as necessary a switch (VMS to Unix) as getting off drinking cider
and starting to appreciate real beer. Pushing this analogy too far as
usual, this would make Windows98 an alcopop and WindowsNT something
like Caffrey's (shudder).
JUSTICE164
><m367bfu...@gododdin.jasmine.org.uk>, Simon Brooke wrote:
>
>>Why can't lusers learn to use UN*X?
>
>Because its not intuitive in the way, say, VMS is. Just because it
>stands aloof from Microshite, doesn't make it good or easy to use by
>necessity.
I always thought that UNIX (It is not a four letter word), is intuitive. But
then I grew up with UNIX. I don't know VMS or 'Microshite' as well.
Pratibha
Remember, even if you win the rat race -- you're still a rat.
Chris Morgan
> Why can't lusers learn to use UN*X?
Come to think of it, I think the answer to this question is "because
if they really are lusers, they never learn to use anything". Ask
Marianne, she gets lusers asking her dumb questions in her lab and
they use Macs. Even my Mum can use a Mac.
Chris Morgan
> This is all true for someone who is a born and bred geek,
why, thank you!
> but there are many people out here who aren't - me
> included. Starting from a background of programming in BASIC for
> applications going back to 1969, I found I could pick up VMS (and
> DCL) far more quickly than UNIX. I've got books on it and still
> don't understand it...
fairy nuff
I have to admit, at the time I got into Linux, if there had been some
kind of VMS clone for the PC at a similar price I would have been
tempted. Friends of mine have DECstations at home and like them, but
I've just got this feeble little PC so VMS is sort of difficult to
maintain as a hobby. I note DEC finally released VMS under a hobbyist
license sometime last year but it was too little too late.
Nhi Vanye
>
>
>On 16 Dec 1998 11:01:10 -0500, in
><87pv9ko...@mihalis.ix.netcom.com>, Chris Morgan wrote:
>>js...@rl.ac.uk (John Wright) writes:
>>
>>> Because its not intuitive in the way, say, VMS is. Just because it
>>> stands aloof from Microshite, doesn't make it good or easy to use by
>>> necessity.
>>
>>VAXes including two clusters, one of which was numerically maxed out)
>>but I still prefer Unix. Ignoring first impressions it's more elegant
>>and powerful than anything else I've used. I felt this way after about
>>two weeks learning it on a vt320 terminal logging into a shared
>>SPARC5. I find that it is indeed good and easy to use. To me it was
>>just as necessary a switch (VMS to Unix) as getting off drinking cider
>>and starting to appreciate real beer. Pushing this analogy too far as
>>usual, this would make Windows98 an alcopop and WindowsNT something
>>like Caffrey's (shudder).
>
A geek can learn anything. I learnt Unix over a weekend by buying a huge
(1200 page) book and reading it cover to cover. Yes, I only knew the
therotical shell interface on monday morning, but i learnt enough to
get me started...
According the hackers guide this is what separates hackers from everyone
else, the ability to absorb huge ammounts of information for processing
later...
Unix wasn't the first OS I'd learnt, before that I was a VMS/RISC Os/TSO
person. But like finding the right woman (allegedly), when you find your
one true OS you immediately know...
>--
>John Wright
richard---geek.
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Chris Morgan
> >This is all true for someone who is a born and bred geek,
>
> A geek can learn anything. I learnt Unix over a weekend by buying a huge
> (1200 page) book and reading it cover to cover. Yes, I only knew the
> therotical shell interface on monday morning, but i learnt enough to
> get me started...
I do this kind of thing too. It's not that you really master most of
the detail in the initial immersion, but a good hacker gets a good
mental map of the territory.
>
> According the hackers guide this is what separates hackers from everyone
> else, the ability to absorb huge ammounts of information for processing
> later...
At times my last job seemed to be reading programming manuals for
other people. Oh well, it beats digging trenches.
>
> Unix wasn't the first OS I'd learnt, before that I was a VMS/RISC Os/TSO
> person. But like finding the right woman (allegedly), when you find your
> one true OS you immediately know...
Yes, it's true ... I immediately preferred Unix.
> richard---geek.
No, really? ;)
Chris Morgan
> I'll keep my eyes open. The trouble is that the messages that say "The
> Exchange Server is Down" are usually written for people less computer
> minded even than me.
Plus they never get through anyway.
Bob Brenchley
<mih...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>js...@rl.ac.uk (John Wright) writes:
>
>> Because its not intuitive in the way, say, VMS is. Just because it
>> stands aloof from Microshite, doesn't make it good or easy to use by
>> necessity.
>
>I used VMS for five years (we had several million pounds worth of
>VAXes
I actually had exclusive use (well for 3 days anyway) of the first two
VAX machines installed in Britain. Lunar Lander and Space Invaders
were wonderful toys^w tools to test the machines.