Time to put up or shut up

[lawre...@sky.com]

How many using this group feel we are going through a climate catastrophe

Those that feel we are are you donating much of your income to saving the planet

Also those that say yes can you explain why the arctic ice is still there

How many that say yes run a car
How many that feel we are in danger flew abroad in the last five yars

[Spike]

Answers came there none...

...not relevant ones, anyway.

I keep asking:

Why three-fourths of the GHCN stations were taken off

Why interpolation was used instead

What scientific method underpins discarding most of the data

Why 48 Siberian pine trees were examined for ring data, and only one was
selected.

What scientific method underpins discarding 98% of the data.

...but never get a relevant answer, rather like Karlen Vijborn and the IPCC.

And this, I am told, is a science group!

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Spike

[Alastair B. McDonald]

On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 01:50:51 UTC+1, lawre...@sky.com wrote:
> How many using this group feel we are going through a climate catastrophe

We are not going through a climate catastrophe. We are heading for one. The fires, droughts, and floods throughout the world are only a taster for what is to come.

>
> Those that feel we are are you donating much of your income to saving the planet

I am a member of Greenpeace.

>
> Also those that say yes can you explain why the arctic ice is still there

Because we have not added enough CO2 to the atmosphere to melt it all yet.

> How many that say yes run a car
> How many that feel we are in danger flew abroad in the last five yars

If I give up my car and holidays abroad it will make no difference. We are still doomed unless you, Spike, all the. Other members of this group plus all Americans, Chinese, and Indians do too. Net zero will not save mankind. We need to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and that is impossible with the politicians currently running the world.

[Graham Easterling]

I am also a member of Greenpeace, previously an active member. One of the highlights of my life was going on the Solo.

Where we differ is that I think real change comes from the bottom up. Politicians generally prefer the status quo, as that's where the votes are. It was people pressure that largely killed the fur trade, not politicians who jumped on the bandwagon when they saw votes in it. The current carbon fuel crisis proves politicians in Europe have done F**k all. All this c**p about carbon neutral electric cars. Blimey, why do I turn my appliances off at night, they are all carbon neutral! The remaining equatorial rain forests ae being destroyed at a record rate for environmentally catastrophic palm oil plantations, in the great carbon offset joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdpspllWI2o

So I do produce much of my power through solar panels, I've not driven east of Bodmin for at least 15 years, I always catch the train if I'm going further, I no longer fly abroad, before I retired I lived where I could walk to work and the seafront for a swim, etc. Nothing like enough I'm sure, but in total it must have made a significant difference to my carbon footprint. I still go to Scilly, it's as beautiful as anywhere.

> If I give up my car and holidays abroad it will make no difference.

Sadly, that rather reinforces Larry's argument, and is a great argument for doing nothing.

For what it's worth it's all too late anyway, we are well locked into serious climatic change.

There's still time to wean off plastic, except for essential use which is certainly <1% of the current plastic use.

Graham
Penzance

[Tudor Hughes]

What a stupid posting. There are answers to every one of your questions but they require an understanding that you either do not possess or are unwilling to demonstrate.
If this were a newspaper your copy would be routinely spiked.

Tudor Hughes

[Alastair B. McDonald]

On Sunday, 7 August 2022 at 15:15:14 UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote:

> Where we differ is that I think real change comes from the bottom up. Politicians generally prefer the status quo, as that's where the votes are. It was people pressure that largely killed the fur trade, not politicians who jumped on the bandwagon when they saw votes in it. The current carbon fuel crisis proves politicians in Europe have done F**k all. All this c**p about carbon neutral electric cars. Blimey, why do I turn my appliances off at night, they are all carbon neutral! The remaining equatorial rain forests ae being destroyed at a record rate for environmentally catastrophic palm oil plantations, in the great carbon offset joke.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdpspllWI2o

The man in the street is not going to take action or pressure his MP so long as he is being threatened with a temperature rise of 1.5 to 2.0 degree rise in temperature. Until the scientists get real and warn what the future really looks like no progress will be made. The good news is that this paper has just been published: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2108146119#supplementary-materials so at last they are facing up to the real dangers.

[lawre...@sky.com]

Well his name is Spike

[lawre...@sky.com]

I'm sure due to evaporative cooling your bedwetting will help offset any serious rises

[lawre...@sky.com]

On Sunday, 7 August 2022 at 14:23:55 UTC+1, abmcdo...@gmail.com wrote:

On the nosey

[Alastair B. McDonald]

On Monday, 8 August 2022 at 08:07:24 UTC+1, lawre...@sky.com wrote:

> I'm sure due to evaporative cooling your bedwetting will help offset any serious rises

No amount of bed wetting will help us protect us from your arson.

[lawre...@sky.com]

Arson?

[Tudor Hughes]

It was meant to be a joke, a rather laborious one admittedly, but worth a try.

Tudor

[Alastair B. McDonald]

Your opposition, along with that of Spike, the oil, coal and gas companies has led to no action to being taken to avoid the dangers of climate change. That amongst other disasters has led to record wildfires in California, Australia, Greece, France, Spain, Portugal and now London.

Have you no shame?

[Spike]

Have you no brain?

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Spike

[Alastair B. McDonald]

When are you going to accept that you have been conned by the think tanks funded by big oil and coal? See https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cgql8f

[Spike]

Alastair B. McDonald <abmcdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 11:27:41 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> On 09/08/2022 08:57, Alastair B. McDonald wrote:
>>> On Monday, 8 August 2022 at 18:47:43 UTC+1, lawre...@sky.com wrote:

>>>>> No amount of bed wetting will help us protect us from your arson.

>>>> Arson?

>>> Your opposition, along with that of Spike, the oil, coal and gas
>>> companies has led to no action to being taken to avoid the dangers of
>>> climate change. That amongst other disasters has led to record
>>> wildfires in California, Australia, Greece, France, Spain, Portugal and now London.

>>> Have you no shame?

>> Have you no brain?

> When are you going to accept that you have been conned by the think tanks
> funded by big oil and coal? See https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cgql8f

When are you going to accept that every piece of climate data has been
variously ignored, altered, misrepresented, lied about, dissembled, and the
rest.

When are you going to accept that one of the leading liars in this charade
being the BBC, the very organisation that denied holding a closed-door
policy meeting that happened to have no dissenters and which decided that
only one side of the issue would ever be presented by them?

When are you going to accept that over a decade ago an IPCC panel member
let slip that “This isn’t about environmental policy, it is about transfer
of wealth from rich countries to poor countries”?

When are you going to accept that President Obama banged on about rising
sea levels caused by ‘climate change’ only to retire to an $18million
beachside mansion in Martha’s Vineyard?

When are you going to accept that the hockey stick was not a faultless
piece of science?

When are you going to wake up?

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Spike

[Alastair B. McDonald]

When are you going to realise that each of those points is unrelated to the science?

They are all just political points spread by the oil lobby to stop governments taking action and so protect their industry.

[Spike]

> When are you going to realise that each of those points is unrelated to the science?

> They are all just political points spread by the oil lobby to stop
> governments taking action and so protect their industry.

Obama promoting the dangers of sea-level rise is a political point spread
by the oil lobby?

The hockey stick model has been shown to be capable of giving a hockey
stick response to any data it’s fed with, presumably financed by the oil
lobby?

When are you going to realise that the bed-wetters never use science in
their discussions?

When will you realise that your Usenet client is failing to handle dig
separators correctly?


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Spike

[Alastair B. McDonald]

> Obama promoting the dangers of sea-level rise is a political point spread
> by the oil lobby?

Obama buying a beach front propeerty is a political point spread by the oil lobby.

> The hockey stick model has been shown to be capable of giving a hockey
> stick response to any data it’s fed with, presumably financed by the oil
> lobby?

The hockey stick is not a model. It is a graph which may or may not be correct. Science has moved on since then.That's the way science works.

> When are you going to realise that the bed-wetters never use science in
> their discussions?

When are you going to realise that deniers only use insults to make their arguments.

I that is the last from me. I've got some science to get on with.

[Alastair B. McDonald]

> > On Monday, 8 August 2022 at 08:07:24 UTC+1, lawre...@sky.com wrote:

> Arson?

There is evidence of it here along with your other crimes: https://ablink.email.theguardian.com/ss/c/TBl-lE0k4WbTlFRn6v-lQXxTpTslqnvUsR2ofAkC00sy_-q9xCcdQQjMxRI6QJIQJtftj2uk7qZ2zGKkToxbdeW-kij25RnkeK08mOHRbxHduxCC-LTRhUVP5XTODxOE-7Kf9tqiJdILNLrMrFVAiDz1x9VfubQuKgNsL5w5RaaE_YHHLvxbBMZj_KjU3haVyodi4DCEG8EDrmaopTqR_Ezij2W2poI-PhbBarXJ9XqYStQyIxCgdPzIDVNFhliVP8ji6pSRe3-VfHVv-oqVvWwgbQ40TN13tx55VAZflGY/3og/T7yExhKSRXOzk30zkgcvzQ/h29/qrVy9xYQQ_DCHGyPGFL9ro0YUha-pZARdJdNQSbhWus

[Paul (once of Dawlish)]

Spikey wants someone to use science in discussions with him. Bwahahahaha is the only response. 🤣🤣🤣

All he and his deserve are a row of mocking, laughing emojis, as deniers just ignore science. Always. The science bus left them standing a long tome ago. 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣

[Spike]

I see the fruit bat has turned up…🍌🦇

Paul (once of Dawlish) <paulg...@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Spikey wants someone to use science in discussions with him. Bwahahahaha
> is the only response. 🤣🤣🤣

> All he and his deserve are a row of mocking, laughing emojis, as deniers
> just ignore science. Always. The science bus left them standing a long
> tome ago. 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣

He has had so few friends on the group for such a ‘long tome’ [SIC] now.

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Spike

[lawre...@sky.com]

And you teach people how to prepare for OFSTED


Bwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha Bwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha i

[Spike]

> And you teach people how to prepare for OFSTED

OMG

> Bwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha Bwahahahaha iBwahahahaha
> iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha iBwahahahaha i

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Spike