ECA stack and alcohol?
JC
ECA stack (Ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin?
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Charles L. Perrin
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>anyone know of the affects of drinking alcohol whilst stacking?
>ECA stack (Ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin?
First of all, alcohol isn't very compatible with athletic training. It
has a high calorie load of its own.
Aspirin (as all NSAIDs) has a tendency to stomach irritation and so
does alcohol and caffeine.
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: First of all, alcohol isn't very compatible with athletic training. It
: has a high calorie load of its own.
It's better that if you choose to drink, to choose beverages with pure
alcohol in them, like Everclear. This way, you only get the calories from
the alcohol. Drinking beer or ale adds a lot of unwanted extra
carbohydrates in addition to the alcohol.
: Aspirin (as all NSAIDs) has a tendency to stomach irritation and so
: does alcohol and caffeine.
Decide for yourself what irritates your stomach, if something bothers you
just use a little common sense and take/use a little less of it.
Charles L. Perrin
<nob...@replay.com> wrote:
>Decide for yourself what irritates your stomach, if something bothers you
>just use a little common sense and take/use a little less of it.
All well and good until a sudden perforation occurs somewhere in the
GI tract. Don't laugh, it happens.
Anonymous
: >Decide for yourself what irritates your stomach, if something bothers you
: >just use a little common sense and take/use a little less of it.
: All well and good until a sudden perforation occurs somewhere in the
: GI tract. Don't laugh, it happens.
If everyone who drank alcohol and took aspirin got perforations in their
GI tracts, well think how many people that would be. There'd have to be
a massive effort to construct all the new hospitals to treat all these
people. The risk of getting GI perforation is really very small,
alcohol/asprin increases this risk, but it's still pretty small for most
people. Most of the time risk is so small it's not worth giving up the
benefits of the alcohol and asprin, as long as they're used in moderation
and the person does not have ulcers or other certain medical problems.
Allan
Not a great question or else you have the wrong idea about ECA.
If you are using the stack to cut up i.e 3 times per day, 5 days on and
2 days off, then that would mean that you want to lose weight.
Drinking while trying to lose weight is obviously rather like taking
your girlfriend to a whore house.
However, if you use ECA as a pre-workout boost and then in the
evening you decide to have a pint or 2 with your mates, I would say
there is no problem. Just make sure that does not happen 7 nights
a week.
In Strength and Health
Allan
Mike Cavosie
> anyone know of the affects of drinking alcohol whilst stacking?
>
> ECA stack
I personally can't see the sense in doing this. Alcohol consumption
essentially precludes fat burning, which is the reason to stack in the
first place. Seems to me you're just wasting your money on the stack.
Mike
SHaynes106
<nob...@replay.com> writes:
>: Aspirin (as all NSAIDs) has a tendency to stomach irritation and so
>: does alcohol and caffeine.
>
>Decide for yourself what irritates your stomach, if something bothers you
>just use a little common sense and take/use a little less of it.
>
'Stomach irritation'is a bad description. Aspirin like all NSAIDs can cause
stomach ulcers if taken incorectly. In the case of Aspirin you MUST take it
with food to reduce the risk, and if you do strat to suffer from indigestion ,
STOP TAKING IT
Sally Haynes
Don't worry insanity isn't catching!!!!!!
Anonymous
: I personally can't see the sense in doing this. Alcohol consumption
: essentially precludes fat burning, which is the reason to stack in the
: first place. Seems to me you're just wasting your money on the stack.
Maybe this person really likes to drink and doesn't want to give it up,
and wants to help counteract the fat-gaining properties of the alcohol.
If this person's going to be miserable without being able to drink, what's
the point of them getting to a certain bodyfat percentage?
How much aspirin is used? If the amount is more than one or two normal
650mg doses daily, the risk of GI problems is obviously going to be
higher, as is the danger of drinking too much alcohol.
How effective would the "stack" be if the aspirin were eliminated and
just ephedrine and caffeine were used? Seems that most of the concern
with alcohol relates to the aspirin, if it's only of marginal benefit it
might be better to just forego it.
Also remember that small amounts of both aspirin and alcohol are known to
reduce the risk of heart disease.
Meaty
>GI tract. Don't laugh, it happens.
To little old ladies, definitely. Not often to young, fit blokes.
Meaty
Larry DeLuca, EdM, CSCS
This probably has a lot more to with the fact that a lot of little old
ladies are on a daily aspirin regimen than young, fit blokes. The lining
of the GI tract is replaced every few days - the cells rapidly proliferate
throughout our lifespan. That's one of the reasons that chemotherapy
patients have such bad problems with nausea - chemotherapy affects rapidly
dividing cells.
In short, the ability of the GI tract to sustain itself and deal with insults
is probably greater throughout the lifespan than many other tissues in the
body. The problem, then, is more likely one of frequency, intensity,
and duration of the insult.
larry...
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Kevin Bond
very, very irritable and "pissed off" for an hour or
two (as i anticipated it would). The alchohol made me "loosen up" or
"loose inhibions" (obviously), but when
taken with the ECA stack, i beleive I became so aggitated because it allowed
me to express agressive feelings
without holding back. Whereas, if I just take the ECA stack alone, I'm
somewhat, subconsciously fighting
my overly-aggresive feelings (a good thing). The alcohol, I beleive, just
allowed me to "feel" more irritable.
Kevin Bond
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Meaty
>ladies are on a daily aspirin regimen than young, fit blokes. The lining
>of the GI tract is replaced every few days - the cells rapidly proliferate
>throughout our lifespan. That's one of the reasons that chemotherapy
>patients have such bad problems with nausea - chemotherapy affects rapidly
>dividing cells.
>
>In short, the ability of the GI tract to sustain itself and deal with
insults
>is probably greater throughout the lifespan than many other tissues in the
>body. The problem, then, is more likely one of frequency, intensity,
>and duration of the insult.
>
> larry...
Partially correct, larry.
The GI tract epithelium has amazing regenerative properties (it has to cos
of the repeated insult of feeding which sloughs off a lot of superficial
cells), although it is not as regenerative as liver parenchyma...
The increased rates of mucosal erosions, ulceration and bowel perforations
with the use of Non Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAID's) eg aspirin
in frail elderly populations cannot entirely be accounted for by the
chronicity of treatment. There are various reports in the literature of
bowel perforation occurring after only one dose of ibuprofen.
There are a variety of other mechanisms which are also implicated:
All the physiological systems in old people are "slowed down" compared with
younger people. In the gut, this means that the turnover of the gut
epithelium is reduced compared to younger people. Also, the secretion of
mucus will be reduced (old people tend to "dry up" all over as their
epithelia become older and less "juicy"). And also the chances of being
infected with Helicobacter pylori increase with age for obvious reasons,
hence an increased likelihood of mucosal pathology. The other thing, of
course, is that an elderly persons handling of NSAID's is greately reduced,
mainly due to reduced renal function and perhaps reduced liver performance.
I know that this wouldn't affect any processes which occur within the gut
lumen, but to my knowledge, the exact mechanism by which NSAID's cause
damage to gut epithelium has not been worked out. It seems likely to me that
it IS a local irritant effect, but for all I know, the damage could be
caused by the systemic action of the drugs on the prostaglandin systems in
the epithelial cells themselves.
Meaty