A retrospective look at Sirius B in its red supergiant phase
BradGuth
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)
“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_Tail_07784.html
Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_mk_miraab_v2_col.pdf
Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html
There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (<9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.
These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html
Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.
The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.
~ BG
BradGuth
> Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
> spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
> in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
> seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
> UV and IR)
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
> Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
> dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
> and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
> years.”
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
Not so long ago the Sirius B star had become a very impressive red
supergiant, and according to the previous examples of similar stellar
evolution, this extremely nearby flashover from red supergiant to
becoming a white dwarf could not have gone unnoticed by whatever
terrestrial human, animal or plant. Just now wondering, besides the
extended IR, visible and UV bonus, how many days of gamma and hard X-
ray saturation are we talking about?
According to Steve Willner, the nearby stellar creation or cosmic
assimilation process of forming something like Sirius ABC transpired
fairly quickly, say within 10 some odd million years if all goes
according to plan, along with most of its protostellar disc remainders
having dissipated within only a few million years thereafter, rather
than the billion all-inclusive years that I’d previously thought.
On Apr 24, 1:10 pm, will...@cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) wrote:
> The collapse time scale for an idealized giant molecular cloud is
> about a million years. Real clouds collapse slower than that by
> perhaps a factor of 10, probably because of internal gas turbulence.
>
> You can see that the time scale is likely to be much shorter than
> "billions of years" by observing that something over 90% of baryons
> are incorporated into stars.
>
> Protostellar disks form in a few hundred thousand years and dissipate
> in a few million years. For galactic disks, formation time scales
> are a few hundred million years. No "billions" at all.
This means that a minimum 12,000 < 120,000 solar mass molecular cloud
which gave birth to the original 12 solar mass of the Sirius star/
solar system took perhaps as little as 12<15 million years to complete
that initial process, rapping everything up as of perhaps no greater
than 300 MBP to perhaps as recent as 250 MBP.
Meanwhile, our passive solar system was supposedly fully established
and cruising extremely nearby or even situated within the very same
molecular cloud, and yet somehow (far beyond my comprehension) having
managed to avoid any kind of give or take interactions or indirect
trauma or benefit from such a nearly cosmic event of collapsing
baryons that formed into the originally impressive Sirius star/solar
system, that’s still worth nearly 3.5 the mass of our solar system.
Perhaps Steve Willner along with a good public funded supercomputer
simulation can further improve our deductive understanding of this
nearby stellar formation and complex environment of such a nifty
molecular cloud, once again that of perhaps at least 12,000 < 120,000
solar masses, that supposedly didn’t affect us at its beginning,
throughout its normal stellar evolution, or that of its impressive red
supergiant phase that could easily have been worth 1000 radii, and of
its subsequent recent end of life phase at becoming a compact white
dwarf which thereby lost its tidal radius grip upon whatever planets
and possibly even a third significant main sequence star of 2e30 kg.
Are we lucky, or what!
~ BG
BradGuth
Clearly I've given links and cites as to what other red giants and red
supergiants tend to look and function like. Clearly our nearby Sirius
star/solar system suddenly emerged as perhaps originally worth 12
solar masses, subsequently burned through a sufficient bulk of its
hydrogen fuel like hell, unavoidably went red supergiant and
eventually flashed itself from the 500~1000 radii red supergiant phase
over to becoming the Sirius B white dwarf in a relatively short period
of time, and apparently not even all that long ago, that is unless the
laws of physics were different for that era.
So, where's all the supposed talent and expertise that can tell the
rest of us village idiots, as to why and/or how the hell our extremely
nearby solar system was unaffected?
~ BG
BradGuth
(think again)
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
Red giant stars are many, and yet remain a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the bloated size and color saturated eye-
candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible
spectrum is extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically
accessible from just above and below our genetically limited and thus
inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution
was rather careless in having discarded so much visual capability, in
that other creatures seem to have a far wider visual spectrum
capability that includes some UV and IR without any applied
technology)
“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
velocity of stellar motion for items of this volumetric size.
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_Tail_07784.html
Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (500<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR as
that of a red supergiant star.
http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_mk_miraab_v2_col.pdf
sun, and likely worth somewhat better than two fold the mass of the
original Sirius B, as Betelgeuse currently having expanded to 1000
solar radii and growing, it'll certainly become a truly impressive
nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf that’s nearly the size
of Saturn.
The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum, resolution and several extra DB in dynamic range of
imaging most everything, along with other existing and soon to be
deployed telescopes should give us even better composite examples of
what Sirius B used to look like. This may give some of us a better
interpretation as to what transpired right next door to us, as well as
having unavoidably contributed to some of what our solar system has to
offer.
Perhaps there’s too much information about the Sirius star/solar
system for the public to grasp without causing more faith-based harm
than good.
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
~ BG
BradGuth
> I bet you think we’ve seen just about everything Sirius has to offer.
> (think again)
> http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
>
> Red giant stars are many, and yet remain a little hard to come by, as
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the bloated size and color saturated eye-
> candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible
> spectrum is extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically
> accessible from just above and below our genetically limited and thus
> inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution
> was rather careless in having discarded so much visual capability, in
> that other creatures seem to have a far wider visual spectrum
> capability that includes some UV and IR without any applied
> technology)
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
> proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
> velocity of stellar motion for items of this volumetric size.
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
> colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
> us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
> more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
> velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (500<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR as
> that of a red supergiant star.
Not so terribly long ago Sirius_B had become a very impressive red
supergiant, and according to the previous examples of similar stellar
evolution, this extremely nearby hydrogen flashover from red
supergiant to becoming a white dwarf could not have gone unnoticed by
whatever terrestrial human, animal or plant. Just now further
pondering, besides the extended IR, visible and UV bonus that had to
exist, how many days of gamma and hard X-ray saturation are we talking
about?
According to Steve Willner, the nearby stellar creation or cosmic
assimilation process of forming something like Sirius ABC transpired
fairly quickly, say within 10 some odd million years if all goes
according to plan, along with most of its protostellar disc remainders
having dissipated within only a few million years thereafter, rather
than the billion all-inclusive years that I’d previously thought.
On Apr 24, 1:10 pm, will...@cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) wrote:
> The collapse time scale for an idealized giant molecular cloud is
> about a million years. Real clouds collapse slower than that by
> perhaps a factor of 10, probably because of internal gas turbulence.
>
> You can see that the time scale is likely to be much shorter than
> "billions of years" by observing that something over 90% of baryons
> are incorporated into stars.
>
> Protostellar disks form in a few hundred thousand years and dissipate
> in a few million years. For galactic disks, formation time scales
> are a few hundred million years. No "billions" at all.
This means that a minimum 12,000 < 120,000 solar mass worthy molecular
cloud which gave birth to the original 12 solar mass of the Sirius
star/solar system took perhaps as little as 12<15 million years in
order to complete that initial process, rapping everything up as of
perhaps no greater than 300 MBP to perhaps as recent as 250 MBP.
Meanwhile, our passive solar system was supposedly fully established
and cruising extremely nearby or even situated within that very same
molecular cloud, and yet somehow (far beyond my comprehension) having
managed to avoid any kind of give or take interactions, indirect
trauma or benefit from such a nearly cosmic event of collapsing
baryons forming into the originally impressive Sirius star/solar
system, that’s still worth nearly 3.5 the mass of our solar system.
Perhaps Steve Willner along with a good public funded supercomputer
simulation can further improve our deductive understanding of this
nearby stellar formation and complex environment of such a nifty
molecular cloud of perhaps at least 12,000 < 120,000 solar masses,
that supposedly didn’t affect us from its beginning, throughout its
normal stellar evolution, or that of its impressive red supergiant
phase that could easily have been worth <1000 radii, and of its
subsequent recent end of life phase at becoming a compact white dwarf
which thereby having lost its tidal radius grip upon whatever planets
and possibly even a third significant main sequence star of 2e30 kg.
Are we that lucky, or what!
~ BG
BradGuth
> (think again)
> http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
>
> Red giant stars are many, and yet remain a little hard to come by, as
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the bloated size and color saturated eye-
> candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible
> spectrum is extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically
> accessible from just above and below our genetically limited and thus
> inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution
> was rather careless in having discarded so much visual capability, in
> that other creatures seem to have a far wider visual spectrum
> capability that includes some UV and IR without any applied
> technology)
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
> proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
> velocity of stellar motion for items of this volumetric size.
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
> colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
> us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
> more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
> velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (500<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR as
> that of a red supergiant star.
There’s more to creating a solar system than meets the naked eye,
because not everything we see is via natural cosmic perfection (in
most every instance it’s random happenstance, and in some cases it’s
looking rather complex and/or of weird physics that’s far from
perfection, and only getting worse as galaxies merge).
Here’s my 3nd or 4th revised/updated reply to wizard Paul A (pnals),
as being another one of our resident diehard anti-revisionist, plus
otherwise this effort is for anyone else without an original deductive
thought or a lose cannon to his/her name.
On Apr 7, 11:07 pm, pnals...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 7, 5:58 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You do realize that Sirius A is a fairly new star, and that Sirius B
> > could be something older than our sun.
>
> ************
>
> Well, this statement is nonsense. Sirius A & B are a physical pair,
> they orbit each other, and this means that in all probability they
> were born at about the same time. This system is approximately
> 200-300 million years old, which is very young in astronomical terms,
> and much younger than our sun, which is about 5 billion years old.
>
> Interestingly, Sirius B was once the larger and probably brighter of
> the two, but this meant that it evolved faster and today has already
> proceeded to the white dwarf stage, whereas Sirius A is still in the
> prime of its life. Eventually it, too, will become a white dwarf and
> the system will be perhaps something like this one;
>
> http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18718111
So, you're another one of the ultra singular BB creation and forever
expansion purest at heart, that doesn't believe there's ever anything
rogue going on, no such mergers or encounters of any importance taking
place and otherwise nothing of significant cosmic interactions of any
kind taking place, and the Great Attractor plus a good number of
colliding galaxies and of those about to merge simply do not exist.
Well, aren't you special, especially since our Milky Way is likely
comprised of two galaxies as is, and at least part of our galaxy is
about to merge with part of the Andromeda galaxy. (gee whiz, what
could possibly go wrong?)
>
> There is nothing special about the Sirius system, there are thousands
> and thousands of others out there just like it.
But those other ones of any significant mass were not suddenly created
as situated right next door if not on top of us.
>
> Sure, rogue events might happen here and there, but these would be
> mostly in globular clusters where such chance encounters would be more
> likely to occur.
> \Paul A
I’ve always agreed and having frequently argued that binary and even
trinary star systems are pretty much the cosmic norm. However, we
have to realize what you are saying is that a truly impressive multi
light year expanse of highly dynamic and thus hugely volumetric zone
of sufficient cosmic saturated gas, having existed as of merely 300
million some odd years ago, of mostly hydrogen and otherwise helium
and a few other molecular elements that was sufficiently star creation
worthy, as situated right next door to our solar system, whereas
instead of such gas being gathered up by our nearby and well
formulated tidal radius of more than sufficient gravity influence
exceeding light years, having instead independently formulated itself
into a nifty pair of truly massive stars (Sirius B of <9 solar masses
and Sirius A of <2.5 solar masses, plus having created at least a
third significant other body of <.06 solar mass as Sirius C).
Did I get that interpretation about right?
Considering everything about our universe and local galaxy had to have
been more compact and otherwise closer as of 300 million years ago,
we're talking about a sufficient volumetric kind of cosmic gaseous
cloud of roughly 12 solar masses (assuming 100% combining efficiency),
as happening right next door if not damn near on top of and/or easily
including us, and it just doesn't add up as to why that horrific and
nearby amount of such electric charged hydrogen wasn't the least bit
attracted to our pre-existing solar system mass of 2e30 kg. I mean to
ask, what the hell was wrong with all of that available hydrogen,
helium and the assortment of other elements, as why exactly didn’t we
get our fair share if we were here first?
In order to muster up 25e30 kg, that’s only 330 cubic light years of
1e-18 bar molecular hydrogen that’s supposedly worth 0.0899e-18 kg/m3,
though actually it’s of less cosmic ISM density because of such gas
being hot as hell and continually tidal force pulled apart or simply
diverted by the surrounding gravity of other nearby stars (such as our
sun), so let us make it worthy of at least 3300 ly3, and that’s only a
gaseous populated sphere of 18.5 light years diameter at 100% stellar
formation efficiency, and since we can safely say this star creating
process is never that good, so perhaps 33,000 ly3 as a collective
gravitational collapse worthy sphere of 40 ly is more like it.
The “Jeans Mass” for accommodating a sufficient “triggered star
formation” is suggesting much greater solar mass ratios of at least
1000:1 < 64,000:1 required for feeding the gravitational accretion
collapse process, of which easily puts our solar system smack within
the central realm of whatever culmination of cosmic matter and
formulating events that created Sirius ABC, making our 4+ billions of
years older solar system very much involved within that same stellar
birthing era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_formation
Were we actually that close to such a complex and absolutely vibrant
stellar birth as of 300 million years ago, plus then having Sirius B
going red-supergiant and then slow nova postal on us, and yet somehow
we remained unaffected? (Paul and others, are you joking?)
Perhaps if something of initial mass were to arrive and/or merge into
a smaller but sufficient molecular cloud of mostly hydrogen and helium
that would have still included our solar system, such as a brown dwarf
of 10~100 Mj, or possibly a small antimatter black hole could have
been the stellar seed, but perhaps that kind of reverse-nova or anti-
nova process too should have adversely affected our solar system that
was likely situated within that very same molecular cloud.
Within many complex theories to pick from <http://
www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i2/dinosaur.asp>, supposedly the final
straw of our dinosaur extinction process took place as of merely 65
million years ago, of which seems to suggest the nearby red-giant and
subsequent slow nova of Sirius B (our second sun) suddenly becoming a
white dwarf and having lost its tidal radius grip on whatever planets,
planetoids and moons would have been a most likely contributor of this
otherwise robust biodiversity demise, that by rights should have
otherwise stood the test of time.
It seems highly unlikely that our solar system was unaffected by the
nearby Sirius star/solar system formation and of its subsequent red
supergiant demise in becoming a white dwarf. Clearly no one cosmic
and/or terrestrial event caused the great extinction process, although
physical impacts derived from the sudden demise of the Sirius B solar
system (perhaps including that of obtaining Venus plus an icy Selene
as our moon) would certainly have been trauma worthy of creating
thermal extremes and otherwise geophysically catastrophic towards
finishing off most of whatever was left of such robust life on Earth.
A 100% BradGuth theory: Prior to the final lithobraking, Eden/Earth
tilting, Arctic ocean basin creating and quite a few antipode mountain
producing kind of nasty sucker-punch encounter with an extremely icy
Selene, as of roughly 12,900 +/- some odd hundreds of years ago
(according to David Fastovsky), and subsequently as having become our
Selene/moon, whereas chances are there were a few orbital near miss
opportunities for creating some truly impressive tidal gravity
exchanges. By 11,711 BP the new seasonally improved skies were
finally clearing, and the last ever ice-age thaw from which Eden w/
moon is ever going to see was on. (trust me, there are a good number
of public owned and fully public funded supercomputers that could have
run this complex 3D interactive simulation as of a more than decade
ago)
Of course, here in Google/NOVA Groups (Usenet/newsgroups) land of
forever cloaking on behalf of their ultimate Dark Side and mostly
insurmountable naysayism plus mainstream obfuscation, denial and above
all consistently anti-revision mindsets, you’d think there would be a
little what-if elbow room for the give and take of fresh ideas,
especially since so much of astrophysics upon what we thought we knew
has been recently tossed out the proverbial window. Meanwhile, the
most vibrant and interesting star system that’s situated right next to
us remains as oddly taboo/nondisclosure rated, as though our NASA had
once landed on it, or that it’s hiding OBL plus Muslim WMD along with
all of those SEC red-flag reports that were never acted upon, and of
course those 700 large and clearly marked NASA/Apollo boxes of mission
related R&D, as-built documentation, plus loads of critical systems
and science data that seemed to vanish into thin air.
Perhaps there’s simply too much information about the Sirius star/
solar system for the public to grasp without causing more faith-based
harm than good.
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
BTW; I find that creation, intelligent design and natural evolution
can safely coexist most anywhere, except here on Eden/Earth. Seems
there’s an all or nothing terrestrial mindset that can only insure war
upon war as the one and only basis for settling anything, along with
the environment be damned and otherwise it’s nearly every man, woman,
child and creature for themselves (at this point it’s mostly the bugs,
microbes and viruses that are winning, because their DNA has mutated
for the better and they’ll be here and tougher than ever long after
we’re gone), while the human species of evolution seems only to flat-
line or evolve in the wrong direction, especially for a planet that’s
losing far more mass than it gains, and a badly failing geomagnetic
force that's going south, so to speak
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
> (think again)
> http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
>
> Red giant stars are many, and yet remain a little hard to come by, as
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the bloated size and color saturated eye-
> candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible
> spectrum is extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically
> accessible from just above and below our genetically limited and thus
> inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution
> was rather careless in having discarded so much visual capability, in
> that other creatures seem to have a far wider visual spectrum
> capability that includes some UV and IR without any applied
> technology)
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
> proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
> velocity of stellar motion for items of this volumetric size.
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
> colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
> us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
> more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
> velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (500<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR as
> that of a red supergiant star.
Just when you think we’ve seen about everything Sirius has to offer.
(think again)
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
Of course, going by the warm and fuzzy likes of our resident incest
mutated rabbi Saul Levy, the Sirius star/solar system may just as well
not have ever existed, as well as anything of a negative or blue
shifted velocity need not exist, such as even the not so far off Great
Attractor apparently doesn't exist, including whatever panspermia or
much less anything of ETID is simply faith-based banished and/or taboo/
nondisclosure rated.
I guess if you are a devout Zionist Nazi, as perhaps then perpetual
mainstream obfuscation and denial are the one any only alternatives.
~ BG
BradGuth
phase:
I bet you think we’ve seen just about everything Sirius has to offer.
(think again)
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
Not that far better instruments don’t exist that could easily
accomplish a thousand fold better and of multiple narrow bandpass
imaging results of Sirius, but what the hell when at least an honest
amateur gives us a no-charge freebie whack, because we got nothing to
lose but our self-rightists pride in all things faith-based and/or
government moderated.
Red giant stars are supposedly many, and yet remain a little hard to
come by, as only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light
years seem to exist that fit within the bloated size and color
saturated eye-candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept.
However, the visible spectrum is extremely limited as to what is
otherwise technically accessible from just above and below our
genetically limited and thus inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely
odd that our human evolution was rather careless in having discarded
so much nifty visual capability, in that other creatures seem to have
a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some UV and IR
without any need of applied technology)
“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
velocity of such stellar motion for items of this volumetric inflated
red giant size (a mere fraction of what the Sirius B red supergiant
had to have represented) http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_Tail_07784.html
Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
a whole lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near
IR, as that of a nearby red supergiant star, nearly half that of the
star Betelgeuse.
http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_mk_miraab_v2_col.pdf
Mira A, and lots more composite observationology from FAS
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html
There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (<9 solar mass) and extremely vibrant star, thereby
extremely hot and fast consuming itself prior to becoming the
impressive red supergiant, creating another planetary nebula phase
before ending as the little white dwarf. For all we know Sirius B was
even a variable kind of red giant and then perhaps a slow nova
flashover phase prior to finishing off as the compressed white dwarf
we can barely see today.
These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html
Betelgeuse has been a massive red supergiant at 20+ fold the mass of
our sun, and likely worth somewhat better than two fold the mass of
the original Sirius B, as Betelgeuse currently having expanded to 1000
solar radii and growing, it'll certainly become a truly impressive
nova whenever it suddenly transforms into a white dwarf that’s nearly
the size of Saturn.
The soon to be renewed and greatly improved Hubble instrument should
accomplish the improved spectrum coverage, along with improved
resolution and several extra DB in dynamic range of imaging most
everything, along with other existing and soon to be ESA deployed
telescopes that are far superior yet, should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like, and quite
possibly our first light of Sirius C.
This kind of investment in astronomy should give some of us a better
deductive observationology interpretation as to what transpired right
next door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of
what our solar system has to offer. However, perhaps there’s too much
information about the Sirius star/solar system for the public to
grasp, without causing more faith-based and political harm than good.
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
~ BG
BradGuth
cosmic cloud”
For a stellar packed galaxy or even the individual stellar and/or
binary, trinary outcome, and the complex solar system disk of multiple
planets to start off with, it needs at least an nearby kicker or
perhaps two or more black holes merging or combining within a
sufficient cosmic molecular cloud of mostly hydrogen, plus some helium
and assorted other elements that just so happen to exist out of
nowhere. Otherwise, if there’s nothing of any gravity seeds or nearby
cosmic event(s) taking place, such as a supernova, whereas the natural
cosmic gas collapsing process via molecular gravity that’ll provide
for the primary star plus an accretion disk is going to take a great
deal of time, perhaps at least 10+ millions of years before any such
star materializes, much less stellar companions and/or worthy planets
created out of whatever cosmic molecular cloud remainders didn’t
become part of a given main sequence or greater primary star.
In other words of my limited but open-minded wisdom, no one here or
anywhere else really knows this timeline within any objective
certainty, of what a typical star and the remaining accretion disk
formation of planets requires. Only a limited number of complex
simulations has ever emerged, and few if any of those efforts are
similar enough to call it other than subjective or highly conditional
science with more complex variables than you and I can imagine.
Under the best of stellar creation/birthing conditions, such as
whatever created the nearby Sirius star/solar system, it should have
taken a cosmic molecular cloud proportion or volumetric area of at
least a thousand fold the mass of whatever stars get made, with
otherwise a few tens of thousands in stellar mass most likely
required. On average the necessary core molecular cloud density of
1e6<1e9 particles/cm3 is required in order to initiate and thereby
feed this initial core formation process, that’ll have to gravity suck
as uninterrupted upon that surrounding cosmic molecular medium of
1e4<1e6/cm3, all the way down to the vacuum of only a few particles/
cm3 or perhaps even less than 1/cm3, as well as the primary star flare-
up having subsequently solar wind blown away most of whatever
remainders that didn’t manage to become any other companion star(s),
planets and moons, as a highly complex process that should also take
at least millions of extra years.
Good thing for us this suddenly rotating disk of a complex stellar
creation process doesn't happen very often, however the original 12
solar massive Sirius star/solar system as having emerged right next
door, if not essentially on top of us, and supposedly having
formulated as of not much further back than 300 MBP from such a
complex molecular cloud of at least 12,000 solar masses, was certainly
one very lucky cosmic environment of nearby stellar creation for us,
that which I still find extremely hard to fathom this kind of
tremendous stellar birthing event supposedly didn’t affect us.
Perhaps this extremely recent creation of the Sirius star/solar system
and of its more recent hydrogen flashover to becoming a white dwarf
was always downwind, so to speak, though I find this analogy as
equally hard to fathom.
Of course, I and most others still have no good objective idea as to
where all of that vast volumetric expanse of mostly molecular
hydrogen, helium and a complex composite of many other elements came
from to start with, much less of where the hell a pair of black holes
or white/clear antimatter holes or that of any other significant
sources of a sufficient gravity seed worthy substance materialized
from in the first place. In other words, thus far no one knows with
sufficient certainty as to the exact time-line of how a star is born,
or even knowing the demise process of a main sequence star is now
entirely in question, at risk of being far more complex than anyone
can imagine.
~ BG
> had to have represented)http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
> colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
> us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
> more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
> velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
> a whole lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near
> IR, as that of a nearby red supergiant star, nearly half that of the
> star Betelgeuse.
> http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
BradGuth
eye, because not everything we see is via natural cosmic perfection
happenstance, and in some cases it’s looking rather complex and/or of
getting worse as galaxies merge).
Here’s my 4th or 5th revised/updated reply to wizard Paul A (pnals),
as being another one of our resident diehard anti-revisionist, plus
otherwise this effort is for anyone else without an original deductive
thought or a lose cannon to his/her name.
On Apr 7, 11:07 pm, pnals...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 7, 5:58 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You do realize that Sirius A is a fairly new star, and that Sirius B
> > could be something older than our sun.
>
> ************
>
> Well, this statement is nonsense. Sirius A & B are a physical pair,
> they orbit each other, and this means that in all probability they
> were born at about the same time. This system is approximately
> 200-300 million years old, which is very young in astronomical terms,
> and much younger than our sun, which is about 5 billion years old.
>
> Interestingly, Sirius B was once the larger and probably brighter of
> the two, but this meant that it evolved faster and today has already
> proceeded to the white dwarf stage, whereas Sirius A is still in the
> prime of its life. Eventually it, too, will become a white dwarf and
> the system will be perhaps something like this one;
>
> http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18718111
So, you're another one of the ultra singular BB creation and forever
expansion purest at heart, that which doesn't believe there's ever
anything rogue going on, no such cosmic mergers or encounters of any
importance taking place, and otherwise seeing nothing of significant
cosmic interactions of any other kind taking place, and the Great
Attractor plus a good number of colliding galaxies and of those about
to merge simply do not exist. Well, aren't you special, especially
since our Milky Way is likely comprised of at least two galaxies as
is, and at least an outer portion of our galaxy is about to merge and
thereby interact with a good part of the Andromeda galaxy. (gee whiz,
what could possibly go wrong?)
>
> There is nothing special about the Sirius system, there are thousands
> and thousands of others out there just like it.
Except those “others out there” of any significant mass and complexity
were not being suddenly created as situated right next door if not on
top of an existing solar system like ours.
>
> Sure, rogue events might happen here and there, but these would be
> mostly in globular clusters where such chance encounters would be more
> likely to occur.
> \Paul A
I’ve always agreed and having frequently argued that binary and even
trinary star systems are pretty much the cosmic norm. However, we
have to realize what you are indirectly saying is that a truly
impressive multi thousand cubic light year expanse of highly dynamic
and thus a hugely volumetric zone of sufficient cosmic energy
saturated gas, such as having existed as of merely 300 million some
odd recent years ago, of mostly hydrogen and otherwise helium and a
few other molecular elements, that was sufficiently star creation
worthy and situated right next door and/or on top of our preexisting
solar system, whereas instead of such gas being gathered up by our
nearby and well formulated tidal radius of more than sufficient
gravity influence exceeding light years, whereas having instead
independently formulated itself into a nifty pair of truly massive
stars (Sirius B of <9 solar masses and Sirius A of <3 solar masses,
plus having created at least a third significant other body of <.06
solar mass as Sirius C).
Did I manage to get that interpretation about right?
Considering everything about our universe and local galaxy had to have
been more compact and otherwise closer to one another as of 300
million years ago, we're talking about a sufficient volumetric kind of
cosmic gaseous cloud of roughly 12 solar masses (assuming 100%
combining efficiency), as happening right next door if not damn near
on top of and/or easily including us, and it just doesn't add up as to
why that nearby amount of such electric and perhaps magnetic charged
hydrogen wasn't the least bit attracted to our pre-existing solar
system mass of 2e30 kg. I mean to ask, what the hell was wrong with
all of that available hydrogen, helium and the assortment of other
elements, as why exactly didn’t we get our fair share if we were
always here first?
In order to muster up 25e30 kg, that’s only 330 cubic light years of
1e-18 bar molecular hydrogen that’s supposedly worth 0.0899e-18 kg/m3,
though actually it’s of less cosmic density because of such gas being
hot as hell and continually tidal force pulled apart or simply
diverted by the surrounding gravity influence of other nearby stars
(such as our sun), so let us make it worthy of at least 3300 ly3, and
that’s only a gaseous populated sphere of 18.5 light years diameter at
100% stellar formation efficiency, and since we can safely say this
star creating process is never that good, so perhaps a cloud of 33,000
ly3 would become a viable collective gravitational collapse worthy
sphere of perhaps 40 ly diameter is more like it.
Now we get to contemplate the “Jeans Mass” for accommodating a
sufficient “triggered star formation” is suggesting much greater mass
ratios of at least 1000:1 < 64,000:1 might be required for feeding the
gravitational accretion collapse process, of which easily puts our
solar system smack within the central realm of whatever culmination of
cosmic matter and formulating events that created Sirius ABC, making
our 4+ billions of years older solar system very much involved within
that same stellar birthing era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_formation
Were we actually situated that close to such a complex and absolutely
vibrant stellar birth as of not more than 300 million years ago, plus
most recently having Sirius B going red-supergiant and then slow nova
postal on us, and yet somehow we remained unaffected? (Paul and
others, are you joking?)
Perhaps if something of initial mass were to arrive and/or merge into
a smaller but sufficient molecular cloud of mostly hydrogen and helium
that would have still included our nearby solar system, such as a
brown dwarf of 10~100 Mj, or possibly a pair of small matter/
antimatter black hole could have been the stellar seed, but perhaps
that kind of reverse-nova or anti-nova process should also have
adversely affected our solar system that was likely situated within
that very same molecular cloud.
Within many complex theories to pick from, here’s another one:
<http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i2/dinosaur.asp>, supposedly
the final straw of our dinosaur extinction process took place as of
merely 65 million years ago, of which seems to suggest the nearby red-
supergiant and subsequent slow nova of Sirius B (our second sun)
suddenly becoming a white dwarf and having lost its tidal radius grip
on whatever planets, planetoids and moons would have been a most
likely contributor of this otherwise robust biodiversity demise, that
by rights should have otherwise stood the test of time.
It seems highly unlikely that our solar system was unaffected by the
nearby Sirius star/solar system formation and of its subsequent red
supergiant demise in becoming a white dwarf. Clearly no one cosmic
and/or conventional terrestrial impact event caused the great
extinction process, although physical impacts derived from the sudden
demise of the Sirius B solar system (perhaps including that of
obtaining Venus plus an icy Selene as our moon) would certainly have
been trauma worthy of creating thermal extremes and otherwise
geophysically catastrophic towards finishing off most of whatever was
left of such robust life on Earth, that is unless you’d care to review
my icy Selene lithobraking encounter theory.
A 100% BradGuth theory: Prior to the final lithobraking encounter, of
Eden/Earth tilting, Arctic ocean basin creating and quite a few
antipode mountain producing kind of nasty sucker-punch encounter with
an extremely icy Selene, as of roughly 12,900 +/- some odd hundreds of
years ago (according to David Fastovsky), and subsequently as having
become our Selene/moon, whereas chances are there were a few orbital
near miss opportunities for creating some truly impressive tidal
gravity exchanges. By 11,711 BP the new seasonally improved skies
were finally clearing, and the last ever ice-age thaw from which Eden
w/moon is ever going to see was on. (trust me, there are a good number
of public owned and fully public funded supercomputers that could have
run this complex 3D interactive simulation as of a more than decade
ago)
Of course, here in Google/NOVA Groups (Usenet/newsgroups) land of
forever cloaking on behalf of their ultimate Dark Side and mostly
insurmountable naysayism plus mainstream obfuscation, denial and above
all consistently anti-revision mindsets, you’d think there would be a
little what-if elbow room for the give and take of fresh ideas,
especially since so much of astrophysics upon what we thought we knew
has been recently tossed out the proverbial window. Meanwhile, the
most vibrant and interesting star system that’s situated right next to
us remains as oddly taboo/nondisclosure rated, as though our NASA had
once landed on it, or that it’s hiding OBL plus Muslim WMD along with
all of those SEC red-flag reports that were never acted upon, and of
course those 700 large and clearly marked NASA/Apollo boxes of mission
related R&D, as-built documentation, plus loads of critical systems
and science data that seemed to vanish into thin air.
Perhaps there’s simply too much information about the Sirius star/
solar system for the public to grasp without causing more faith-based
harm than good.
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
BTW; I find that creation, intelligent design and natural evolution
can safely coexist most anywhere, except here on Eden/Earth. Seems
there’s an all or nothing terrestrial mindset that can only insure war
upon war as the one and only basis for settling anything, along with
our environment be damned and otherwise it’s nearly every man, woman,
child, creature and microbe for themselves (at this point it’s mostly
the bugs, microbes and virus spores that are winning, because their
DNA has mutated for the better and they’ll be here and tougher than
ever long after we’re gone), while the human species of evolution
seems only to flat-line or evolve in the wrong direction, especially
for a planet that’s losing far more mass than it gains, and a badly
failing geomagnetic force that’s going south, so to speak
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
> colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
> us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
> more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
> velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
> a whole lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near
> IR, as that of a nearby red supergiant star, nearly half that of the
> star Betelgeuse.
What if I'm right?
It seems there's not another soul on Earth that can stipulate as to
where the massive Sirius star/solar system originally was as of
250~300 million years ago. Apparently all of our spendy DARPA and
NASA stellar motion simulators are broken. Either that or each and
every one of their brown-nosed clowns are being rather disingenuous.
~ BG
BradGuth
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and several hundred solar radii (UV
> colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years away from
> us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for
> more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through space at a rogue
> velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
> a whole lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near
> IR, as that of a nearby red supergiant star, nearly half that of the
> star Betelgeuse.
Regardless of what a devout Zionist Nazi rabbi and any number of their
brown-nosed clowns have to say, what if I'm right?
Since nothing migrates in any cosmic straight line (not even photons),
and essentially everything is in orbit around something, whereas it
seems there's not another soul on Earth that can stipulate as to
exactly where the massive Sirius star/solar system originally was as
of 250~300 million years ago. Apparently all of our spendy DARPA and
NASA stellar motion simulators are broken, as not one retro stellar
motion plot seems to exist of the Sirius star/solar system. Either
that, or each and every one of their brown-nosed clowns are being
rather disingenuous.
~ BG
BradGuth
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
> spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
> in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
> seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
> UV and IR)
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
> Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
> dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
> and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
> years.”
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
Regardless of whatever a devout Zionist Nazi rabbi and any number of
their brown-nosed clowns have to say, what if I'm right?
Since nothing migrates about this universe or within any galaxy in any
cosmic straight line (not even photons), whereas essentially
everything is thereby in orbit around something, whereas it seems
there's not another soul on Earth that can stipulate as to exactly
where the massive Sirius star/solar system originally was as of
250~300 million years ago.
Apparently all of our spendy DARPA and NASA stellar motion simulators
are broken, as not one retro stellar motion plot seems to exist of the
Sirius star/solar system. Either that, or each and every one of
their brown-nosed clowns of mainstream damage-control are being rather
disingenuous, if not downright bogus.
~ BG
BradGuth
Where's the stellar motion trek of our nearby Sirius star/solar
system, going back 300 million years?
~ BG
BradGuth
far off.
Could the Sirius ABC collective ever go supernovae?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova
According to Wikipedia, the extremely nearby and still very massive
Sirius star system doesn’t hardly exist as any past, present or future
threat, even though having only recently existed, as well as having
flashed over to a white dwarf, and Sirius C not having been optically
identified.
I bet you think we’ve seen just about everything Sirius has to offer.
(think again)
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
Not that far better instruments haven’t existed that could easily
accomplish a thousand fold better and of multiple narrow bandpass
imaging results of Sirius, but what the hell when at least an honest
amateur gives us a no-charge freebie whack at Sirius, we might as well
pay some attention because we got nothing to lose but our self-
rightists pride in all things faith-based and/or government moderated.
Red giant stars are supposedly many, and yet they remain a little hard
to come by, as only a few public images of whatever is within 1000
light years seem to exist that fit within the bloated size and color
saturated eye-candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept, and
stellar flashovers are simply next to impossible to record. However,
the visible spectrum is extremely limited as to what is otherwise
technically accessible from just above and below our genetically
limited and thus inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely odd that
our human evolution was rather careless in having discarded so much
nifty visual capability, in that other creatures that supposedly lack
the necessary intelligence seem to have a far wider visual spectrum
capability that includes some UV and IR without any need of applied
technology)
In most exoplanet and brown dwarf hunting cases, the given primary
star has to be looked at multiple hundred times in order to measure
any primary or secondary star variations in those photons of any given
bandpass filtered application.
http://irfu.cea.fr/Sap/en/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast.php?t=actu&id_ast=2483
Since Sirius A remains as such a substantial illuminating star is why
it’s rather difficult to image much of anything else, especially
compromised from within our atmosphere. In this case they were
primarily hunting for a potential red dwarf on a 2000<2500 year
elongated/elliptical orbit, instead of seeking to uncover any nearby
brown dwarf such as Sirius C <.06M. They did however manage to detect
a substantial disk of unusual IR intensity surrounding the nearly
invisible Sirius B.
For Sirius C hunting we need a 100X TRACE instrument with extended
dynamic range that can directly image the extremely hot surfaces of
Sirius A and B without losing the surrounding details of whatever
relatively dim brown dwarf(s).
Perhaps a few LHC do-overs can also help us understand what makes
subatomic particles, atoms and stars tick, by way of creating
artificial black holes, H2/He flashovers and possibly even a
terrestrial nova will give us those cosmic laws of physics that’ll
some day allow us to make antimatter and fusion kinds of energy and
interstellar treks within a given generation, and otherwise improve
the quality of terrestrial life (a first for astrophysics) for the
rest of us.
“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
velocity of such stellar motion for items of this volumetric inflated
red giant size (Mira being as little as a mere eight of what the
original Sirius B red supergiant should have represented)
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_Tail_07784.html
Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and bloated out to several hundred solar
radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years
away from us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that
spreads for more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through
space at a seemingly rogue velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
moving along at less than 10 km/s with respect to us, and otherwise
nearly 8 fold more massive and certainly having expanded a whole lot
larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR, as that
of a nearby red supergiant star, and perhaps nearly half the mass of
the star Betelgeuse.
http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_mk_miraab_v2_col.pdf
Mira A, plus lots more composite observationology from FAS
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html
There are many possibilities as for how Sirius B used to function as a
truly massive (<9 solar mass) plus that of an extremely vibrant star,
thereby ultra hot and unavoidably fast consuming upon itself prior to
becoming the impressive red supergiant, as well as creating another
planetary nebula or dense molecular phase before ending as the little
white dwarf that we can barely see without technology. For all we
know, for quite a while Sirius B was a variable kind of red supergiant
and then perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as
the compressed white dwarf.
These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant and suddenly into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its
previous mass, taking roughly 32~96,000 years for this accellerated
mass shedding phase to happen. A few tens of billions of years later
is when such a white dwarf eventually becomes a black carbon dwarf, as
kind of a black diamond spent star that our universe may or may not be
quite old enough to display such examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html
Betelgeuse has been a massive red supergiant at 20+ fold the mass of
our sun, and likely worth somewhat better than two fold the mass of
the original Sirius B. Betelgeuse currently having expanded to 1000
solar radii and growing, it'll certainly become a truly impressive
flashover whenever it runs out of helium and suddenly transforms
itself into a white dwarf that’s nearly the size of Saturn.
The soon to be renewed and greatly improved Hubble instrument should
accomplish the improved spectrum coverage, along with improved
resolution and several extra DB in dynamic range of imaging most
everything, along with other existing and soon to be ESA deployed
telescopes that are far superior yet, should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like, and quite
possibly our first light of Sirius C.
This kind of public investment in astronomy should give some of us a
better deductive kind of observationology, of somewhat less subjective
interpretations as to what sort of stellar birth, growth and demise
transpired right next door to us, as well as having unavoidably
contributed to some of what our solar system has to offer. However,
perhaps there’s too much information already known about the Sirius
star/solar system for the public to grasp, without causing more faith-
based and political harm than good.
http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
~ BG
BradGuth
> Since Sirius A remains as such a substantial illuminating star is why
> it’s rather difficult to image much of anything else, especially
> compromised from within our atmosphere. In this case they were
> primarily hunting for a potential red dwarf on a 2000<2500 year
> elongated/elliptical orbit, instead of seeking to uncover any nearby
> brown dwarf such as Sirius C <.06M. They did however manage to detect
> a substantial disk of unusual IR intensity surrounding the nearly
> invisible Sirius B.
>
> For Sirius C hunting we need a 100X TRACE instrument with extended
> dynamic range that can directly image the extremely hot surfaces of
> Sirius A and B without losing the surrounding details of whatever
> relatively dim brown dwarf(s).
>
> Perhaps a few LHC do-overs can also help us understand what makes
> subatomic particles, atoms and stars tick, by way of creating
> artificial black holes, H2/He flashovers and possibly even a
> terrestrial nova will give us those cosmic laws of physics that’ll
> some day allow us to make antimatter and fusion kinds of energy and
> interstellar treks within a given generation, and otherwise improve
> the quality of terrestrial life (a first for astrophysics) for the
> rest of us.
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
> proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
> velocity of such stellar motion for items of this volumetric inflated
> red giant size (Mira being as little as a mere eight of what the
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and bloated out to several hundred solar
> radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years
> away from us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that
> spreads for more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through
> space at a seemingly rogue velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
> moving along at less than 10 km/s with respect to us, and otherwise
> nearly 8 fold more massive and certainly having expanded a whole lot
> larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR, as that
> of a nearby red supergiant star, and perhaps nearly half the mass of
> the star Betelgeuse.
Notice how certain faith-based mindsets (mostly of the Old Testament)
and politically skewed types (mostly of the republican pretend-Atheist
kind) are continually oblivious and/or dumbfounded as to most of
everything around us, especially if such involves anything bad or
unexpectedly spendy as hell.
Secondly, notice how they can't ever manage to say with any expertise
or much less peer replicated results, as to where exactly the creation/
birth of the truly massive Sirius star/solar system took place, other
than insisting it was supposedly nowhere nearby our solar system.
However, I find these highly subjective and typically obfuscation
loaded kinds of replies less believable than LeapFrog published
infomercial physics and science stuff, but then that’s understandably
setting our truth standards a bit high.
~ BG
BradGuth
Looks like I'll have to further polish this topic and resubmit after
having edited and shared some links to the research of others that
still give a damn, and otherwise we'll continually have to put up with
all he usual incessant whinings and blowhard nature of certain topic/
author stalking rabbis, as well as tolerate a few other faith-based
closed mindsets that never want to take anything off-world seriously,
much less given any positive/constructive credit (especially if
there's any remote chance of involving ET bugs, microbes, spores or
DNA of any kind).
Notice how there's not so much as a peep as to where Sirius originally
was as of 200<300 million years ago. Some research of sufficient peer
review has suggested the age of the Sirius star/solar system at as
little as 200 million years, while others support the notion that all
cosmic items are essentially in orbit around something, just like our
solar system is orbiting the galactic center of our Milky Way and
otherwise remains tidal associated with a few nearby stars, especially
those of considerable mass.
~ BG
BradGuth
too vibrant for our astronomy that's focused on whatever is billions
of light years further away.
The 100x TRACE-II or TRACEx100 instrument that I've mentioned would
cost perhaps at most 1% of the all-inclusive Hubble investment, and
that's because of it's relatively compact size, plus that it wouldn't
ever need the sorts of risky and spendy human servicing, nor even all
that spendy of initial R&D or deployment. This 100x TRACE could also
be used to study our own sun and a few others, like the red supergiant
Betelgeuse and most anything else that's within its optical resolution
and wide spectrum range.
~ BG
On May 9, 2:01 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://irfu.cea.fr/Sap/en/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast.php?t=actu&id_...
> Since Sirius A remains as such a substantial illuminating star is why
> it’s rather difficult to image much of anything else, especially
> compromised from within our atmosphere. In this case they were
> primarily hunting for a potential red dwarf on a 2000<2500 year
> elongated/elliptical orbit, instead of seeking to uncover any nearby
> brown dwarf such as Sirius C <.06M. They did however manage to detect
> a substantial disk of unusual IR intensity surrounding the nearly
> invisible Sirius B.
>
> For Sirius C hunting we need a 100X TRACE instrument with extended
> dynamic range that can directly image the extremely hot surfaces of
> Sirius A and B without losing the surrounding details of whatever
> relatively dim brown dwarf(s).
>
> Perhaps a few LHC do-overs can also help us understand what makes
> subatomic particles, atoms and stars tick, by way of creating
> artificial black holes, H2/He flashovers and possibly even a
> terrestrial nova will give us those cosmic laws of physics that’ll
> some day allow us to make antimatter and fusion kinds of energy and
> interstellar treks within a given generation, and otherwise improve
> the quality of terrestrial life (a first for astrophysics) for the
> rest of us.
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
> proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
> velocity of such stellar motion for items of this volumetric inflated
> red giant size (Mira being as little as a mere eight of what the
> original Sirius B red supergiant should have represented)http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and bloated out to several hundred solar
> radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years
> away from us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that
> spreads for more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through
> space at a seemingly rogue velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
> moving along at less than 10 km/s with respect to us, and otherwise
> nearly 8 fold more massive and certainly having expanded a whole lot
> larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR, as that
> of a nearby red supergiant star, and perhaps nearly half the mass of
> the star Betelgeuse.
> http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
BradGuth
If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested, and still little old TRACE is doing
it’s far more important thing at initially less than $50M. A pair of
new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly 1% of our
Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk one human
cell or strand of DNA, nor causing 1% the global pollution. I might
go so far as to suggest situating one of the TRACEx100s at Earth L1,
and the other at Earth L2, as that way we could have a stereo view of
Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D applications.
Either TRACEx100 could also perform multiple OCO duties, as well as
some limited Selene/moon related science.
~ BG
BradGuth
as 200 million years ago, seams a little too good to be true and
otherwise a little too damn lucky for us. However, since this topic
is officially Usenet/newsgroup banished and otherwise taboo/
nondisclosure rated, perhaps we'll just have to forget that anything
of the cosmic and stellar sort of creation process ever happened.
On May 9, 2:01 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://irfu.cea.fr/Sap/en/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast.php?t=actu&id_...
> Since Sirius A remains as such a substantial illuminating star is why
> it’s rather difficult to image much of anything else, especially
> compromised from within our atmosphere. In this case they were
> primarily hunting for a potential red dwarf on a 2000<2500 year
> elongated/elliptical orbit, instead of seeking to uncover any nearby
> brown dwarf such as Sirius C <.06M. They did however manage to detect
> a substantial disk of unusual IR intensity surrounding the nearly
> invisible Sirius B.
>
> For Sirius C hunting we need a 100X TRACE instrument with extended
> dynamic range that can directly image the extremely hot surfaces of
> Sirius A and B without losing the surrounding details of whatever
> relatively dim brown dwarf(s).
>
> Perhaps a few LHC do-overs can also help us understand what makes
> subatomic particles, atoms and stars tick, by way of creating
> artificial black holes, H2/He flashovers and possibly even a
> terrestrial nova will give us those cosmic laws of physics that’ll
> some day allow us to make antimatter and fusion kinds of energy and
> interstellar treks within a given generation, and otherwise improve
> the quality of terrestrial life (a first for astrophysics) for the
> rest of us.
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” The obvious bow-wave
> proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
> velocity of such stellar motion for items of this volumetric inflated
> red giant size (Mira being as little as a mere eight of what the
> original Sirius B red supergiant should have represented)http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and bloated out to several hundred solar
> radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years
> away from us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that
> spreads for more than 13 light years.” Trekking it’s way through
> space at a seemingly rogue velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
> moving along at less than 10 km/s with respect to us, and otherwise
> nearly 8 fold more massive and certainly having expanded a whole lot
> larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR, as that
> of a nearby red supergiant star, and perhaps nearly half the mass of
> the star Betelgeuse.
> http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
Just pretend that I never mentioned anything about this pesky Sirius
star/solar system, and never mind the nearby nova when that happens.
However, if any 5th graders are looking for a really nifty science
project that'll seriously blow your teachers away and scare the hell
out of most everyone else: you got my number.
~ BG
BradGuth
Interesting, that not even as of 20 some odd ice-ages ago, or that of
merely 200 million years ago, are we aware of exactly where the hell
our <12 mass Sirius star/solar was located, as of just shortly after
being created from a truly massive molecular dense enough cloud of
perhaps at least 12e3 soar masses.
So, where exactly did the rest of that stellar worthy molecular cloud
of mostly hydrogen and helium go, and why did it just as suddenly
leave us in its dust (so to speak), with no trace of itself.
Do such terrific molecular and thus star making clouds just come and
go as they please?
~ BG
pnal...@gmail.com
> Interesting, that not even as of 20 some odd ice-ages ago, or that of
> merely 200 million years ago, are we aware of exactly where the hell
> our <12 mass Sirius star/solar was located, as of just shortly after
> being created from a truly massive molecular dense enough cloud of
> perhaps at least 12e3 soar masses.
>
> So, where exactly did the rest of that stellar worthy molecular cloud
> of mostly hydrogen and helium go, and why did it just as suddenly
> leave us in its dust (so to speak), with no trace of itself.
>
> Do such terrific molecular and thus star making clouds just come and
> go as they please?
>
> ~ BG
**************
Boy, you sure can go on and on about things you know absolutely
nothing about.
Sirius and its single companion are approaching earth at about 8 km/
sec, and in 200K years they will be making their closest approach to
earth. Doing the simple math, when that system formed it was over 100
light years away from the solar system. It did NOT form anywhere near
the earth. Take a class, or do some worthy research before putting
your mouth in gear.
By the way, it is very doubtful that this system contains a "C"
component. Many have searched for it and all have failed, including
Hubble. It is just not there. Here is my reference;
http://www.solstation.com/stars/sirius2.htm
Where is yours?
\Paul A
BradGuth
> BG's source of info is his delusions, nothing more. What he needs is a trip
> to a rubber room, 24/7 medical supervision and medications, and intensive
> therapy. After he's had a good series of smacks on the ass with a
> two-by-four.<pnals...@gmail.com> wrote in message
They used to burn books and witches at the stake, and otherwise
imprison and/or banish for life, though Christ they simply had put on
a stick. Nowadays they just inject mind altering drugs and
electrocute your private parts as they waterboard until you say and
think whatever thy want you to say and think, and then they go off to
church and ask once again and again for forgiveness before they return
to molest and traumatize yet another human.
You must be a Republican with a black Zionist Nazi heart.
>
> news:a6ca871f-adc3-48a4...@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 13, 12:19 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting, that not even as of 20 some odd ice-ages ago, or that of
> > merely 200 million years ago, are we aware of exactly where the hell
> > our <12 mass Sirius star/solar was located, as of just shortly after
> > being created from a truly massive molecular dense enough cloud of
> > perhaps at least 12e3 soar masses.
>
> > So, where exactly did the rest of that stellar worthy molecular cloud
> > of mostly hydrogen and helium go, and why did it just as suddenly
> > leave us in its dust (so to speak), with no trace of itself.
>
> > Do such terrific molecular and thus star making clouds just come and
> > go as they please?
>
> > ~ BG
>
> **************
> Boy, you sure can go on and on about things you know absolutely
> nothing about.
>
> Sirius and its single companion are approaching earth at about 8 km/
> sec, and in 200K years they will be making their closest approach to
> earth. Doing the simple math, when that system formed it was over 100
> light years away from the solar system. It did NOT form anywhere near
> the earth. Take a class, or do some worthy research before putting
> your mouth in gear.
Your fuzzy but Zionist approved math excludes orbital considerations.
What in this universe has zero orbital/tidal considerations, much less
that of anything associated within our galaxy.
Are you suggesting there's no such thing as any 5, 10, 20, 50 light
year tidal radius factors of orbital gravity considerations?
>
> By the way, it is very doubtful that this system contains a "C"
> component. Many have searched for it and all have failed, including
> Hubble. It is just not there. Here is my reference;
>
> http://www.solstation.com/stars/sirius2.htm
>
> Where is yours?
>
> \Paul A
Hubble of that era was a piece of crap. TRACE could have accomplished
a better job.
BTW, I've long since posted mine. So, your mainstream and thus
Zionist approved infomercial cite excludes the regular laws of
physics, and mine doesn't. Now what?
What is making the little but unmistakable wobble? (a .06M black hole,
a neutron star, a black dwarf planetoid/asteroid, perhaps that of a
brown dwarf, or is it our sun and Jupiter?)
~ BG
BradGuth
> Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B I have a picture of this white dwarf
> and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
> B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
> They are very common,and taken for granted. seems Neutron stars are far
> less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them Go
> figure TreBert
There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.
I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).
The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.
On Apr 27, 4:47 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
> spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
> in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
> seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
> UV and IR)
>
> “Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
> http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
> dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
> and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
> years.”
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
> http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.
~ BG
BradGuth
Why waste our hard earned public loot on any TRACEx100? (why not?)
Hardly anyone in government is cutting back, and in spite of whatever
BHO thinks, we're still getting systematically screwed by those in
charge.
Looks like they got our BHO nicely wrapped around their little Zionist
Nazi finger.
~ BG
BradGuth
Why waste our hard earned public loot on any TRACEx100? (why the hell
not?)
Hardly anyone in government is cutting back, and in spite of whatever
BHO thinks, it seems we're still getting systematically screwed by
those in charge.
Looks like they got our BHO nicely wrapped around their little Zionist
Nazi finger, with an even bigger government than ever before, and
Charles F. Bolden may not be the right stuff or offering sufficient
stuff in order to fix our NASA or it's puppet master DARPA.
At least a TRACEx100 at 1% the overall cost of Hubble could provide
multiple functions of astronomy, lunar sciences and otherwise mostly
benefit Earth science about our sun at 100 fold better resolution than
the existing and fairly old TRACE that's about to run out of fuel.
~ BG
BradGuth
If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE is doing it’s far more important science at
initially less than $50M.
A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to out
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.
At 1% the cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100 (100x greater
resolution than our existing TRACE), plus added dynamic range and
possibly even a third TRACEx100 could also perform multiple OCO
duties, as well as some limited Selene/moon related science and even
basic astronomy functions from within Selene L1. Perhaps with some
luck and composite imaging from the renewed and greatly improved
Hubble we’ll locate the massive cloud of molecular gasses that gave
such a vibrant birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar system, and
thereby obtaining a better understanding as to the most recent
evolution of stars, and essentially of everything else (including
ourselves).
The whole package deal of creating and deploying 3 TRACEx100s should
come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar related
science to boot. The original creators of TRACE could be contracted
to create these new and improved TRACEx100, which should easily exceed
a decade or two in their deployed operation without further attention.
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html
~ BG
BradGuth
The hunt for Sirius C is about to get more interesting, with three new
ESA deployed astronomy missions, and our renewed Hubble upgraded to
within a few years of being the best of technology that it can be, as
such should make detecting everything from tiny neutron stars to black
holes a whole lot more doable.
If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE is doing it’s far more important science at
initially less than $50M.
A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to our
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.
At 1% the cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100s (100x greater
resolution than our existing TRACE), plus 4 db of added dynamic range
and quite possibly even a third TRACEx100 that could also perform
multiple OCO duties, as well as offering some limited Selene/moon
related science and even basic astronomy functions from within Selene
L1. Perhaps with some luck and composite imaging from the renewed and
greatly improved Hubble we’ll locate the massive cloud of molecular
gasses that gave such a vibrant birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar
system that started off as roughly 12 solar masses, and thereby
obtaining a better physics and science understanding as to the most
recent evolution of stars, and essentially of better understanding
most everything else (including ourselves).
The whole package deal of creating and deploying three TRACEx100s
should come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar
related science to boot. The original creators of TRACE could be
contracted to create these new and improved TRACEx100, which should
easily exceed a decade or two in their deployed operation without
further attention.
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html
Our Eden/Earth is still losing mass, at perhaps a minimum of roughly
100 kg/sec (0.1<1 t/sec), while receiving at most 10 kg/sec (1<10 kg/
sec). With proper instruments in orbit (some of which already exist)
or otherwise as best situated within Selene L1, via observationology
we could deductively interpret in order to better understand and
objectively quantify this ongoing loss. The OCO mission was also
supposed to identify certain gaseous elements related to global
dimming and greenhouse heating, as well as accurately map their
terrestrial origin, but that got terminated just in the nick of time.
~ BG
BradGuth
Come on folks, tell us where that great molecular cloud is that so
recently created the Sirius star/solar system. Those sorts of cosmic
massive things don't just vanish into less than thin air, so to speak.
Tell us why the red supergiant phase of Sirius B did not affect our
environment.
Tell us why the truly substantial mass of the hydrogen and helium
flashover of Sirius B into becoming an impressive white dwarf didn't
affect us.
BradGuth
As of 250~300 million years ago, Eden/Earth and our entire solar
system became surrounded and otherwise cosmic saturated within the
exact same molecular cloud that gave birth to the massive and
extremely vibrant Sirius star/solar system. Yet for some odd reason
this doesn’t seem to bother anyone, nor the fact that we can’t manage
to rediscover any remainder of this horrific molecular cloud.
Is it just me, or do we think there’s something more than a little
fishy going on?
What would happen to our terrestrial environment if our solar system
once again became surrounded by any significant portion of the same
12,000 some odd solar masses worth of such a cosmic molecular cloud?
We’re told by the published experts in cosmology and astrophysics that
12,000 solar masses is a conservative molecular cloud for having given
birth to a 12 solar mass star system, such as the original Sirius,
whereas more than likely it would have been a cloud of 24,000~64,000
solar masses.
BradGuth
A molecular cloud <1e9 particles/m3 average density, with a core
maximum density <1e12 particles/m3 offers serious star making
potential.
Jeans mass: A typical stellar forming cloud volume might be 100 light
years diameter, and the cloud that made Sirius being 200+ light years
diameter (36e54 m3) and most likely worth <1e5 solar masses, if not
otherwise slightly larger or more dense and capable of having been
worth <1e6 solar masses to work with, and some would even call that a
willfully conservative estimate.
Anyway you’d care to reinterpret whatever kind of molecular cloud
produced the massive and extremely vibrant Sirius star/solar system,
that cosmic sucker simply didn’t just suddenly vanish by having zoomed
itself out of sight once having deposited those new stars. So, where
the hell is that molecular cloud? (by rights it should stand out like
a sore thumb or glow-stick in the night as having made even newer
stars of at least multiple red dwarfs)
Who is kidding who? The Sirius star/solar system has had something
significant to do with our solar system, because otherwise it just
doesn’t add up.
~ BG
BradGuth
The hunt for the 200+ light year molecular cloud that so recently as
of 250~300 million yeas ago, having given birth to the Sirius star/
solar system, seems to be missing in action.
Only a small portion of that molecular mass of mostly hydrogen and
helium should have been taken to create the Sirius stars, which leaves
most of that cloud looking as it once did. Problem is that there's no
such cloud of molecular gasses anywhere within the area that it should
be.
~ BG
BradGuth
Sirius B was recently a very impressive red supergiant of up to 1000
solar radius. When the hydrogen and helium flashover phase happened
it was a truly significant event that may have lasted for several
minutes, having given off a good dosage of hard-X-rays and gamma.
Sirius B would also have lost its tidal radius grip on any number of
secondary stars, planets and moons that went elsewhere, including a
few items that may have headed towards our relatively passive and
nearby solar system.
This flashover event should be visible to us as a secondary/recoil of
reflected photons, possibly even as coming off the original molecular
cloud that created Sirius in the first place.
The repaired and upgraded Hubble should prove as being suited for this
task of detecting such secondary/recoil flashover photons, though
newer instruments would certainly be many fold more sensitive.
~ BG
BradGuth
>
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 4:47 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
> > > only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> > > to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> > > we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> > > extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> > > just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
>
> Only a small portion of that molecular mass of mostly hydrogen and
> helium should have been taken to create the Sirius stars, which leaves
> most of that cloud looking as it once did. Problem is that there's no
> such cloud of molecular gasses anywhere within the area that it should
> be.
Sirius B was quite recently (in cosmological terms) a very impressive
red supergiant of <1000 solar radii. When the helium flashover phase
happened it was a truly significant event that may have lasted for
several minutes, as well as having given off a good dosage of hard-X-
rays and gamma. Sirius B would also have lost its tidal radius grip
on any number of secondary stars, planets and moons, that except
Sirius C went elsewhere, including a few items that may have headed
towards our relatively passive and nearby solar system.
This terrific flashover event should actually still be visible to us
as a secondary/recoil of reflected photons, possibly even as coming
off the original molecular cloud that created Sirius in the first
place, and as such simply can not be too far away unless having been
entirely blown away by the massive Sirius B solar wind.
Detecting such old photons is much like a time machine that's always
looking back in time, whereas the repaired and upgraded Hubble should
prove as being suited for this task of detecting such old secondary/
recoil flashover photons, though newer instruments as having been
deployed by ESA would certainly be many fold more sensitive and
otherwise specifically capable of finding this most recent molecular
cloud.
However, seems odd that our own sun would not have attracted some
portion of that same hydrogen and helium saturated cloud, that is if
there ever was any such molecular cloud of perhaps 120,000 solar
masses to begin with.
~ BG
BradGuth
Sirius B was quite recently (in cosmological terms of the universe
age) a very impressive red supergiant of <1000 solar radii. When the
helium flashover phase happened it was a truly significant event that
may have lasted for several minutes, as well as having given off a
good dosage of hard-X-rays and gamma. Sirius B would also have lost
its tidal radius grip on any number of secondary stars, planets and
moons, that except Sirius C went elsewhere, including a few items that
may have headed towards our relatively passive and nearby solar
system.
Even so, this terrific flashover event should actually still be
visible to us as a secondary/recoil of reflected photons, possibly
even as coming off the original molecular cloud that created Sirius in
the first place, and as such simply can not be too far away unless
having been entirely blown away as though uniformly disbursed by the
Sirius B solar wind and subsequent red supergiant phase. However, the
remaining 99.999% of that molecular cloud still has to exist
somewhere.
Detecting such old photons is much like having an eye-candy time
machine that's always looking back in time, whereas the repaired and
upgraded Hubble should prove as being suited for this worthwhile task
of detecting such old secondary/recoil flashover photons, though newer
astronomy instruments as having been deployed by ESA would certainly
be many tens of fold more sensitive and otherwise specifically capable
of finding this most recent of molecular cloud remainders.
However, seems odd that our own sun would not have attracted some
portion of that very same hydrogen and helium saturated cloud, that is
BradGuth
If you like spendy eye-candy, then this topic is for you, because
it'll take all the composite image stackings and false colorizing that
we can muster in order to make my point.
~ BG
BradGuth
The mass of our universe stays exactly the same, no matters what takes
place, but as a whole we seem to keep getting more and more of them
photons (mostly of those we can’t see) and possibly even more of those
free/rogue electrons and positrons. However, is there any limit in
physics as to how many photons this universe or any given cubic light
year can contain?
In addition to whatever a dense molecular cloud of hydrogen and helium
represents as an average population of <1e6/cm3 (1e12/m3) for creating
stars and essentially everything else, how about we start off fairly
small in order to figure out what the maximum number of photons/sec
that a given cubic second or cubic light year (3e8^3 or 27e24 m3) can
possibly contain.
Notice how certain faith-based mindsets (mostly of the Old Testament
and politically skewed types of the republican pretend-Atheist kind)
are continually acting oblivious and/or dumbfounded as to most of
everything around us, especially if such involves anything of ETs or
bad and otherwise unexpectedly spendy as hell. Of course their not
willing to share the truth about much of anything doesn’t exactly
help.
Secondly, notice how they can't ever manage to say with any expertise
or much less supercomputer simulated within peer replicated results,
as to where exactly the very recent creation/birth of the truly
massive Sirius star/solar system took place, other than insisting it
was supposedly nowhere nearby our solar system. However, I find these
highly subjective and typically obfuscation loaded kinds of replies
somewhat disingenuous and/or less believable than LeapFrog published
infomercial physics and their eye-candy science stuff, but then that’s
understandably setting our ‘no child left behind’ of uneducated truth
BradGuth
Same mass = more and more photons. What gives?
Where's the secondary/recoil of reflected photons from the Sirius B
helium flashover?
~ BG
BradGuth
The absolutely vibrant and cosmic stunning Sirius Star/solar system
birth as of 250~300 MBP started off at ~12 Msun, burned through the
vast bulk of its hydrogen extremely fast and only somewhat recently
became worth ~3.5 Msun, as having lost 8.5 of its solar masses, as
such the original mass is still existing elsewhere and most likely
producing photons of its own or as part of some other star/solar
system.
According to the vast majority of the best available experts, the mass
of our universe stays exactly the same, no matters what takes place,
but as a whole we seem to keep getting more and more of them photons
(mostly of those we can’t see) and possibly even more of those free/
rogue electrons and positrons to deal with. However, is there any
limit in physics or quantum whatever as to how many photons this
universe or any given cubic light year can safely contain?
In addition to whatever a dense molecular cloud of hydrogen and helium
represents as an average population of <1e6/cm3 (1e12/m3) for the
natural cosmic evolution process of creating stars and essentially
everything else, how about we start off fairly small in order to
figure out what the maximum number of photons that a given IGM cubic
second (2.7e25 m3) can possibly contain, outside of whatever molecular
clouds or stars represent. Even though the average cubic second of
the IGM might offer as little as 2.7e30 raw elements of mostly
hydrogen and helium atoms, there’s always the minimum 3D worth of
1024^6/cm3 * 1e6 = 1.153e24 photons/m3 as coexisting within each cubic
meter of IGM, thereby we have a minimum of 3.113e49 photons per cubic
second. The photons per universe having the volume of 1.7e80 m3 =
6.296e54 ly3 is thereby 6.296e54 * 3.113e49 = 1.96e104 photons/sec,
times the age of our universe and counting.
Notice how certain faith-based mindsets (mostly of the Old Testament
thumping and politically skewed types of the born-again republican and/
or pretend-Atheist kind) are continually obfuscating by acting
oblivious and/or dumbfounded as to most of everything around us,
especially if such involves anything of ETs or bad and otherwise
unexpectedly spendy as hell. Of course their not willing to share the
truth about much of anything doesn’t exactly help.
Secondly, notice how those in charge of most everything can’t ever
manage to say with any expertise or much less supercomputer simulated
within their own peer replicated results, as to where exactly the very
recent creation/birth of the truly massive Sirius star/solar system
took place, other than insisting it was supposedly nowhere nearby our
solar system. However, I find these highly subjective and typically
obfuscation loaded kinds of replies somewhat disingenuous and/or less
believable than LeapFrog published infomercial physics along with all
of their nifty eye-candy science stuff, but then that’s understandably
setting our ‘no child left behind’ of uneducated truth standards a bit
high.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
Marvin the Martian
> On Apr 27, 4:47 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't you feel it is pathetic that you keep spamming 5 news groups, and
you have to reply to your own posts because the only people who
contribute to your threads are telling you to SFTU?
Just curious.
Fred J. McCall
:
Don't you?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
BradGuth
Not at all, because unlike yourself and others of your kind that only
post those silly infomercial topics and failsafe replies, whereas I
keep improving by way of learning, adding information to my topics and
expecting that somewhere out there in Google Groups (aka Usenet/
newsgroup) land is an actual 5th grader or better kind of brain that
isn't of a Zionist Nazi mindset.
~ BG
BradGuth
Apparently the physics and best available astronomy and deductive
science that's pertaining to this Sirius star/solar system and of it's
recent and sudden evolution, will just have to be another item which
is not ever going to be provided by those of our NASA or DARPA. For
some reason the most faith-based and politically protective mindsets
of this Usenet/newsgroup are not going to give this topic anything but
grief.
Perhaps 5th graders that are becoming smarter than most of those in
charge of our scientific knowledge, as such will manage to get us past
these mainstream walls and roadblocks.
BradGuth
One of the newest and truly substantially massive star/solar systems
within our galaxy, as having been situated extremely nearby, and yet
folks here within Usenet/newsgroup denial and perpetual naysay land do
not seem to know squat about its beginning, of its absolutely vibrant
and fast evolution (nearly a slow nova), much less of its impressive
red supergiant phase that only most recently converted Sirius B into a
white dwarf.
BradGuth
One of the newest and truly substantially massive star/solar systems
created within our galaxy, as having been situated extremely nearby
our well established solar system, and yet folks here within Usenet/
newsgroup of denial and perpetual naysay land do not seem to know
squat about its beginning, of its absolutely vibrant and fast
evolution (nearly a slow nova that would have given us one hell of a
sun burn, plus x-rays and gamma), much less of its absolutely
impressive red supergiant phase that only most recently converted
Sirius B into a white dwarf.
So, where's all the mainstream physics, of their astronomy eye-candy
science and their stacked composites and highly false colorized images
of its molecular cloud?
BradGuth
Interesting, that if we nicely ask of those in charge and supposedly
as smart as Einstein to put up or shut up, as to sharing the orbital
whereabouts of the original Sirius star/solar system, and/or forbid
our asking anything about its impressive red supergiant phase that
only recently flashed over into a white dwarf, or even that of
locating the remainder of its original cosmic molecular cloud of
perhaps 120,000 solar masses, all the sudden the Usenet/newsgroups
lights go out, and the doors start slamming shut.
It's almost as deafening quite as if the Pope or Taliban leader walked
unannounced into a local synagogue.
~ BG
BradGuth
Interesting, that if we nicely ask of those in charge and supposedly
as smart as Einstein to put up or shut up, as to sharing the orbital
whereabouts of the original Sirius star/solar system, and/or forbid
our asking anything about its impressive red supergiant phase that
only recently flashed over into a white dwarf, or even that of
locating the remainder of its original cosmic molecular cloud of
perhaps 120,000 solar masses, all the sudden the Usenet/newsgroups
lights go out, and the doors start slamming shut. (it's as deafening
quite as if the Pope or Taliban leader walked unannounced into a local
synagogue)
~ BG
BradGuth
Ask yourself, why would a faith-based sadistic bigot, Mafia cabal or
political mindset object to this topic?
How can the Sirius star/solar system be such a topic discussion
killer?
Isn't the sudden and extremely vibrant evolution of the extremely
nearby star/solar system of 12 solar masses worth knowing?
~ BG
BradGuth
Same thing goes for asking what should happen if Sirius ABC merge into
one combined nova/supernova, as Sirius B continues to feed off Sirius
A and turns itself into a neutron star. What could possibly go wrong
for us?
~ BG
BradGuth
The exact same thing goes for asking of other expertise, as to what
should happen if Sirius ABC merge into one combined nova/supernova,
such as Sirius B continues to feed off Sirius A and turns itself into
BradGuth
better
If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same as our moon), then perhaps going further out is the
only option for this paranoid Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything
new or much less revision of any kind.
HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. Imagine if
such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just obtaining those
deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those better equipped
ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV look-see at us.
Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic
range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by
now be possible, and we might even discover Sirius C as well as the
original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive birth
to Sirius, and can't be too far off.
Just imagine what happened within our environment while the impressive
Sirius solar system was getting created from such a massive molecular
cloud of perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another black hole
merging thing), as for Sirius B having so vibrantly evolved into
becoming the red supergiant and then suddenly becoming the little
white dwarf, is what must have been every bit as good as our having a
second sun.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
~ BG
BradGuth
better
If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same taboo/banishment as for our moon or its L1), then
perhaps going further out is the only viable option for this paranoid
Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything new or much less revision of
any kind.
HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. However,
imagine if such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just
obtaining those deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those
better equipped ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV
look-see at us.
Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic
range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by
now have been possible, and we might even discover Sirius C as well as
the original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive
birth to Sirius, and can't be any too far off considering how recently
everything evolved.
The vast majority of exoplanet worlds may be inhospitable to naked
humans for any number of reasons, but just imagine what happened
within our environment of this most recent cosmic era, while the
impressive Sirius solar system was getting created from such a massive
molecular cloud of perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another
galactic black hole merging kind of thing), as for Sirius B having so
vibrantly evolved itself so quickly into becoming the red supergiant
and then suddenly becoming the little white dwarf, is what must have
been every bit as good as our having a second sun, especially
interesting if we’re still making our trinary orbit every 100 thousand
years. But then it seems we can’t discuss intelligent other life, no
matters how probable or technology assisted, without every topic
attracting those brown-nosed clowns like a swarm of killer bees.
>
>
On May 23, 10:26 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
BradGuth
I do not believe we've been excluded from the local interstellar
trauma of what the Sirius star/solar system represents, but then
others here do not seem to care either way. Understanding our solar
system has to include the understanding as to how the truly massive
and vibrant Sirius star/solar system came to exist/coexist so nearby
and supposedly without ever affecting our local environment.
The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/area/index.cfm?fareaid=20
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html
Local galactic motion simulation:
"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en
According to several physics and astronomy kinds of science, our
Milky Way is made up of at least two galactic units, with more on
their blue-shift way towards encountering us.
Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/localgroup/localgroup.html
~ BG
BradGuth
Why would a devout faith-based mindset (including those of the pretend-
Atheist kind) be so deathly afraid of whatever the advancing and
extremely nearby Sirius star/solar system represents?
These official spooks and moles plus all of their brown-nosed minion
army of public media jamming clowns can’t even suggest the whereabouts
of the Sirius beginning, or much less that of tracking throughout its
fast and furious evolution that subsequently took place so nearby.
Where’s that terrific stellar birthing molecular cloud, as hardly none
too small and worth perhaps 120,000 solar masses, that can’t possibly
be too far away?
How can such a vibrant and recent stellar evolution along with such a
sudden tidal radius demise of Sirius B not have directly affected our
environment, as well as that of Mars and most every other planet and
moon of our unusually passive solar system?
How can the original molecular cloud of whatever created the original
12 solar mass of Sirius ABC not have our solar system established in
some kind of orbital or barycenter tidal association, that’s by now
considerably weaker but still in affect because it’s the closest game
in town?
Why are the public funded supercomputers, along with their vast
archives of nifty public owned software and otherwise public funded
operators forbidden to run any of this in 3D orbital format of
interactive simulations?
In other words, which side is this mainstream God on, and why does
this politically correct God have to use an army of bogus Usenet folks
as brown-nosed clowns, plus having public funded spooks and moles that
clearly favor the kinds of Zionism which simply fail to police their
own kind?
Is the public record of history and whatever’s being taught at public
and private expense become that corrupted and/or faith-based skewed
beyond the point of no return?
BradGuth
> Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
> only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
> spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
> in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
> seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
> UV and IR)
>
> http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
> and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
> years.”
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
> http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
>
> Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
> http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html
>
> There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
> burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
> planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. For
> all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
> perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
> white dwarf.
>
> These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
> like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
> supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its originalmass,
> to happen. A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
> display such examples.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
> http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html
>
> sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold themassof the original Sirius B,
> and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
> impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
> size of Jupiter.
>
> The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
> improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
> existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
> composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. This may give
> some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
> door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
> our solar system has to offer.
We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.
It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.
There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.
Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.
The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/area/index.cfm?fareaid=20
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html
Local galactic motion simulation:
"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en
According to several physics and astronomy kinds of observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.
Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/localgroup/localgroup.html
Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.
Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.
BradGuth
For as little as another two cents, what do we get?
Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.
The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although heavier and
too large of package for another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
http://trace.lmsal.com/
http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of their satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost been mentioned. If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic or vibrating activity of
Sirius, then what good is it?
I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that reported amount didn’t
even include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the
annual/decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. A TRACEe3
could be accomplished in less than a forth the time, and for as little
as one cent per human global population, as well as deployed and
operated for a decade on perhaps less than another one cent per human
population. TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty darn good deal,
especially when we could see the extremely vibrant photosphere of
Sirius A and possibly even a few actual pixels worth of Sirius B.
Speaking of accomplishing dirt cheap, quick and downright nifty
missions that could have been and should have been. It seems we
already own the shuttle bay SAR imaging equipment, that with minor
upgrades and getting that already spendy sucker deployed around Venus
could yield 0.75 meter resolution (100 fold better than the original
Magellan mission, plus another two fold improved dynamic range), or
perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if doing our moon from 50 km.
Lord of our GAO forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought
and paid for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing,
because we sure as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying
for everything and in debt to the tune of trillions to ever get their
hard earned moneys worth, much less discover whatever’s happening via
intelligent other life that’s nicely existing/coexisting on Venus.
What would our President BHO and his crack team of mostly young
advisers do?
BradGuth
Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.
The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was one of those
fast-track developed satellite, as a seriously dirt cheap polar-
orbital solar observatory, deployed by that little and costly Pegasus
XL, so thereby the R&D for accomplishing a thousand fold optical/
imaging improvement by the exact same team should be as equally quick
and dirt cheap, although unavoidably heavier and too large of package
for another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length (which
adds relatively little mass) and newer CCD imager could extend its
observing spectrum well into far/extreme UVc, although the quality of
telephoto optics already utilized by the existing TRACE along with
those narrow bandpass filters would still be more than sufficient for
UVa through IR imaging.
Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes (ultra
lampblack) should also improve their imaging results of TRACEe3 and
most any other optics, and we do in fact need a replacement for the
existing TRACE anyway because its maneuvering fuel is running low, as
well as any one of its essential gyros or rad-hard processors could
fail at most any time. A decade worth of terrific CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
http://trace.lmsal.com/
http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in Russian surplus
inventory along with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a
TRACEe3 payload for as little as $1000/kg.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
Apparently CoRoT must have been terribly spendy (including its launch
via the Soyuz launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of
their satellite observatory R&D plus its mission cost been mentioned
in the above documant. However, if it can’t even look at the stellar
vibrance and seismic or vibrating/oscillating activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?
I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that reported amount didn’t
even include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the
annual/decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. A TRACEe3
could have been accomplished in less than a forth the time, and for as
little as one cent per human global population, as well as deployed
and operated for a decade on perhaps less than another one cent per
human population (with loot to spare). TRACEe3 for two cents seems
like a pretty darn good deal, and all three TRACEe3s for roughly a
nickel per global population, seems especially nifty when we could see
the extremely vibrant photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few
actual pixels worth of Sirius B, as well as a thousand fold better
resolution of our own sun (might be too good of a look-see).
Speaking of accomplishing dirt cheap, quick and downright nifty
missions that could have been and should have been. It seems we
already own the shuttle bay SAR imaging equipment, that with minor
upgrades and getting that already spendy sucker deployed around Venus
could yield 0.75 meter resolution (100 fold better than the original
Magellan mission, plus another two fold improved dynamic range), or
perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if doing our moon from 50 km.
Lord GAO, forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and
paid for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we
sure as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for
everything and in debt to the tune of trillions to ever get their hard
earned moneys worth, much less discover whatever’s happening via
intelligent other life that’s nicely existing/coexisting on Venus.
What would our President BHO and his crack team of mostly young
advisers do?
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
On Jun 20, 6:16 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
"For as little as another two cents, what do we get?"
If Saul Levy and his devout Zionist Nazi Republican friends have
anything to say, we get absolutely nothing, or less than nothing (just
like what we're getting but grief back from their SEC approved Ponzi
Madoff). Go figure, that most all of the bad guys seem to belong to
the same cartel/cabal faith or fellowship faith that wouldn't dare
police their own kind.
Otherwise we'd get our moneys worth, and then some.
~ BG
BradGuth
For those of you using Google Groups or an unfiltered newsreader:
Just because my resident kosher shadow can not stand the thought of
anyone having and sharing an honest thought or idea is perhaps why
he's on his deathbed, miserable and doing as much media damage-control
as he can muster, and as always unpoliced by his own kind, and as per
usual full of as much hate as only his faith-based friends and Hitler
would understand.
Imagine a wore kind of hell on Earth, with this kind of perverted and
kosher biased leadership at the helm, sort of makes republicans, their
Zionist Nazi friends and of course the likes of their private Federal
Reserve and SEC approved Ponzi Madoff seem rather tame.
~ BG
BradGuth
> cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
> vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
> galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
> million years worth.
>
> It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
Earth moving away from the Sun!
On Jun 15, 3:29 am, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:
> "Double-A" <double...@hush.com> wrote in message...
> > Thanks, Saul. I have long wondered and speculated as to whether this
> > was happening.
>
> > Double-A
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/83e4c2295e1651d8/d141d0c03c29d0d3?hl=en&q=%22+Earth+moving+away+from+the+Sun!%22#d141d0c03c29d0d3
> Six inches a year is such a small amount that 4.5 billion
> years ago (if that rate has not changed) and using the
> present approximate Earth-Sun distance of 93 million
> miles, the Earth has moved about 1/2 a million miles
> outward from the Sun. Back then it would have been
> 92.5 million miles away from the Sun. And this is why
> the astronomers i've talked to consider the tidal effect
> between the Sun and planets to be insignificant.
>
> It is in fact so insignificant even between the Earth and
> the Moon that both these PLANETS will be gravitationally
> bound to each other even 7.5 billion years from now,
> which is the max time for the Sun to go Red Giant.
>
> This might, however, explain some of the Sun's loss of
> angular momentum and why the Sun, with the most
> mass has by far the smallest angular momentum of all
> the orbs in the Solar system.
>
> happy days and...
> starry starry nights!
>
> --
> Indelibly yours,
> Paine Ellsworth
In spite of whatever our resident rabbi and others of his Kosher type
spew from between their mainstream infomercial flapping butt-cheeks,
you are as per usual mostly correct, in that the earth-sun tidal
interaction if causing whatever perceived orbital recession is
extremely minor, whereas the ongoing loss of at least 1e12 kg/sec is
not so minor.
In order for that main sequence red giant phase to begin within 7.5
billion years, our sun of 12 billion years worth would have had to
have been consuming plus CME losing a combined average mass of at
least 1e12 kg/sec (1000 million tonnes/sec), and otherwise the more
than likely requirement for an average loss of 2e12 kg/sec (2000
million tonnes/sec) seems a whole lot closer to the truth, whereas
2e12 kg/sec represents a more respectable 12 billion year accumulated
loss of 33.3% from an original solar mass of 2.27e30 kg down to the
1.51 solar red giant mass, which by some estimates may still represent
an insufficient rate of losing hydrogen mass in order to bring on that
bloated red giant phase.
If our red giant phase is coming any sooner than 7.5 billion years
from now, simply adjust the rate of average mass loss to suit, such as
<3e12 kg/sec or whatever qualifies within that window of time as given
for the stellar birth to red giant.
Unless my math is wrong (wouldn’t be the first time), or that a given
main sequence star simply doesn’t have to burn through nearly as much
of its hydrogen as we’ve been told, whereas it seems that perhaps
we’ve been systematically misinformed about how much hydrogen mass a
given main sequence star has to consume and/or blow off before going
into its red giant phase. Therefore our sun may actually require this
depletion rate of 2e12 kg/s in order to have burned and otherwise
blown off sufficient hydrogen, helium and a few other elements of mass
within its maximum 12 billion year cycle, or perhaps <3e12 kg/sec for
a given 9 billion year life cycle before becoming that red giant.
Now try to imagine how much mass Sirius B (if originally <9 solar
mass) had to have been going through (say 250 million years is worth
<1e15 kg/sec?), and Sirius A for the past 300 million years has been
using and losing at the rate of perhaps 1e14 kg/sec.
Of further interest is the original molecular cloud that gave such
births to Sirius ABC (<12.5 solar mass) had to be worth at least
1.25e5 solar masses, if not 1.25e6 solar masses as of just 300 million
years ago and nearby. So, where exactly is the remaining 99.999% of
this terrific cloud, and why was our solar system supposedly never
affected by any of this nearby cosmic activity?
~ BG
BradGuth
How can such a nearby and truly massive molecular cloud as having
given us the Sirius star/solar system, not have affected our solar
solar system?
Just the weak force of gravity alone should have done the trick,
especially if that cloud amounted to 1.25e6 solar masses.
It seems the natural life cycle of a star begins with a turn-on flash
and ends with a serious blast, as well as potentially having a few ups
and downs in between, especially when there's more than one star
involved. So, how is it that our relatively passive solar system was
somehow excluded from all of this nearby cosmic fun?
~ BG
BradGuth
All lies, deceptions and obfuscation is what it’s all about. When
I’ve expected of others to share information and to otherwise
constructively contribute to this topic, all we ever got at best was a
stone cold shoulder, mostly negativity from a certain rabbi none the
less. However, the laws of physics are seldom politically correct or
otherwise faith-based, and they do not lie.
Gravity Force of Attraction
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius being at least 1.25e6
solar masses, at a center to center distance of 100 ly, and using our
solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we get the
following results:
(100 ly = 9.46053e17 meters & 50 ly = 4.7303e17 meters)
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 10 ly = 3.819e22 N
current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N
current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N
current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N
current (solar system ~ sedna) gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N
current (solar system ~ Sirius) gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such might suggest
that we use the 50 ly for the adjusted distance from the core density
of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at the weak
gravity force of 1.528e21 N. Of course by doubling that distance cuts
this tidal binding force of gravitational attraction down to a forth.
Try to remember that this wasn’t a one time kind of cosmic drive-by
event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of persistent
gravity pull before having cranked out those impressive Sirius stars,
and for at least another million some odd years of having blown
everything else (99.999% of that molecular cloud mass) away. Once
again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event and of such horrific
original mass not have affected our solar system?
By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting a 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of 1.25e7
solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar system, and still
using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar system of that same era
results in yet another 10 fold increased force of attraction for that
same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N (nearly half of the
sun~earth attraction).
Now for a little objective perspective. If our current solar system
mass of 2.02e30 kg can still manage to hold onto the highly elliptical
trek of little planetoid Sedna, at the semi-major axis that offers
1.023e14 N, then it sure as hell shouldn’t have any problems
whatsoever with Sirius that’s an all inclusive 3.5 solar masses and
worth 1.417e17 N (1,385 times greater gravitational binding than
Sedna). There’s actually a fair number of TNOs that our solar system
holds onto, further proving how it’s entirely possible that we’re
tidal associated with the Sirius star/solar system.
BradGuth
Sirius and us are inseparable, at least according to the physics of
gravity.
It’s all infowar tactical lies, deceptions and obfuscation is what
it’s all about. When I’ve merely expected of others to share
information and to otherwise constructively contribute to this topic
and many before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold shoulder,
and otherwise mostly negativity from a certain rabbi none the less.
However, the laws of physics are seldom politically correct or
otherwise faith-based, and they do not lie, and even the best
available science doesn’t support many of those established mainstream
notions.
Gravity Force of Attraction
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius being at least 1.25e6
solar masses, at a center to center distance of 100 ly, and using our
solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we get the
following results:
(100 ly = 9.46053e17 meters & 50 ly = 4.7303e17 meters)
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 10 ly = 3.819e22 N
current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N
current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N
current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N
current (solar system ~ sedna) gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N
current (solar system ~ Sirius) gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
Creating the Sirius star/solar system was no small matter of any wussy
molecular cloud. This was extremely big and it would have been
entirely visible to the naked human eye.
holds onto, further proving how it’s entirely possible that we are
tidal radii associated with the Sirius star/solar system.
~ BG
gabydewilde
Or there will be 100 years from now. Or wait, am I actually reading
this? no?
Sirius B is a crystal planet housing one of the natural quantum
computers humans tap into though torsion fields.
It is like flowers don't see bees, they just use them.
gabydewilde
>
> Ask yourself, why would a faith-based sadistic bigot, Mafia cabal or
> political mindset object to this topic?
Nothing is true until officially denied.
BradGuth
That sounds about right.
~ BG
BradGuth
Sirius and us(our solar system) are inseparable, at least according to
the regular laws of physics pertaining to gravity and orbital
mechanics that seems more than sufficient.
However, it’s all a mainstream of infowar tactical gauntlet of lies,
deceptions and obfuscation is what it’s all about. When I’ve merely
expected of others to share information and to otherwise
constructively contribute to this topic and many similar ones before,
all we ever got at best was a stone cold shoulder, and otherwise
mostly negativity and banishment from most, as well as from a certain
racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the less. However, the laws of
physics are seldom if ever politically correct or otherwise faith-
based, and as such they do not lie, and even the best available
science doesn’t support many of those established mainstream notions.
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius being worth at least
1.25e6 solar masses, at a center to center distance of 100 ly, and
using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we get
the following results for 100 ly = 9.46053e17 meters, 50 ly =
4.7303e17 meters and 10 ly = 9.46053e16 meters.
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 10 ly = 3.819e22 N
current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N
current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N
current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N
current (solar system ~ sedna) gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N
current (solar system ~ Sirius) gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
Creating the Sirius star/solar system was no small matter of any wussy
little molecular cloud. This was an extremely big cloud and
subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent times, and as
such it would have been entirely visible to the naked human eyes of
that era (not that any intelligent human via Darwin or intelligent
design existed at that time).
Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.
Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before having cranked out those impressive
Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd years of
having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular cloud mass)
far away. Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event and of
such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?
By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of being
worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar system,
and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar system of
that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force of
attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction).
Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS or any other professional group.
BradGuth
orbital mechanics that seems more than sufficient, especially if
little Sedna can be turned around at a tidal radii of 1.459e11 km
that’s worth merely 2.975e13 N, whereas Sirius at 1.417e17 N (20
thousand fold stronger) and we’ve been gaining on Sirius by 7.6 km/
sec, plus most likely accelerating towards are next encounter.
It’s all nothing but a mainstream infowar, a tactical gauntlet of
lies, deceptions and systematic obfuscation is what it’s all about.
When I’ve merely expected of others to share information and to
otherwise constructively ponder and contribute to this topic and many
similar ones before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold
shoulder, and otherwise mostly negativity and banishment from most, as
well as from a certain racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the
less. However, the laws of physics are seldom if ever politically
correct or otherwise faith-based, and as such they simply do not lie,
and even the best available science doesn’t support many of those
established mainstream notions of excluding anything and everything
that rocks a given faith-based boat..
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius, as being worth at
least 1.25e6 solar masses, while at a center to center distance of 100
ly and using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we
get the following results for 100 ly (9.46053e17 m), 50 ly (4.7303e17
m) and 10 ly (9.46053e16 m).
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 10 ly = 3.819e22 N
current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N
current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N
current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/average gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
right back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.
The cosmic creation of the Sirius star/solar system was no small
matter of any wussy little molecular cloud. This was an extremely
large cloud and subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent
times (250~300 MBP), and as such it would have been entirely visible
to the naked human eyes of that era (not that any intelligent human
via Darwin or intelligent design even existed at that time, although
Ed Conrad’s “Man of Coal” seems to be of that era), and as of most
recently transforming the red supergiant phase of Sirius B into a
white dwarf required a helium flashover (slow nova) about as close as
you can safely get, if not a little too close.
By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of having
been worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar
system, and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar
system of that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force
of attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction), and 99.9999% of this 1e6:1
molecular cloud that’s oddly nowhere to be found, by rights should
have greatly affected our solar system.
Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before ever having cranked out those
impressive Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd
years of having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular
cloud) far away. Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event
and of such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?
Where's the all-knowing expertise from our FAS, telling us whatever
they seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely, and where
are those public funded supercomputer simulations. Surely these brown-
nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our Usenet/
newsgroup proprietors that are continually enforcing their mainstream
status quo (much like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do by
trashing everyone in sight) are hopefully not speaking on behalf of
our FAS or any other professional group.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
On Jun 20, 6:16 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 4:47 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
> > only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> > to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> > we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> > extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> > just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
> > spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
> > in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
> > seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
> > UV and IR)
>
> > “Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
> > http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> > Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
> > dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
> > and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
> > years.”
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> > Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
> > lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
> > http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
>
> > Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
> > http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html
>
> > There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
> > a truly massive (<9 solar mass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
> > burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
> > planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. For
> > all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
> > perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
> > white dwarf.
>
> > These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
> > a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
> > like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
> > supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
> > taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
> > to happen. A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
> > dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
> > display such examples.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
> > http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
> > http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html
>
> > Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
> > sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
> "The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighborhood", by B.
BradGuth
”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
“We're ignorant of life in the universe. We only have one planet that
serves as an example and in science it's not good to derive
information from a sample size of one.” / David Grinspoon
BradGuth
How could the tidal radii of the Sirius star/solar system not have our
solar system within its control?
How could the original molecular cloud as having given birth to the
extremely vibrant Sirius star/solar system have gone through our part
of this galaxy so quickly, and without a trace?
~ BG
On Jul 3, 5:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
BradGuth
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N
Whereas Sirius has been holding onto us;
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
That's a 4763:1 greater hold than we have on Sedna.
You can always do the math yourself, or use one of the following:
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
~ BG
BradGuth
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.
TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of < 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html
Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N
Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of <1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).
As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.
In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
On Jul 3, 5:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.
TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of < 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html
Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N
Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N
Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of <1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).
As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.
In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.
As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.
BradGuth
Is there any further question, as to how much our solar system has
been under the gravitational radii dominance of the Sirius star/solar
system, such as for the past 200~300 millions years?
Why should we be so deathly afraid of learning the best available
truths pertaining to the what and how we are a part of a much bigger
cosmic picture?
~ BG
Double-A
When will you stop beating this dead horse?
Double-A
BradGuth
In other words, you're afraid of the cold hard and irrefutable facts
that has our solar system clearly under the Newtonian tidal radii
influence of Sirius.
When will you and so many others of your pretend-Atheist kind stop
being so deathly afraid of this old but sturdy horse that you insist
upon killing?
~ BG
Double-A
There are 8 other stars closer to us than Sirius. How do they fit
into this gravitational influence?
Double-A
BradGuth
Once knowing their mass and distance, it's a simple matter of running
those numbers.
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Public funded supercomputer simulators of 3D interactive stellar
motions should be doing this for us.
~ BG
BradGuth
Between Krakatoa and Yellowstone, if those two geothermal mega vents
manage to blow their gasket at the same time is when we’re in deep
trouble with that Warhol “lake of fire”, or perhaps there will be two
lakes of fire. But at least we can forget about whatever cosmic
fireballs and asteroid encounters for a while, because even that of a
10 km asteroid of mostly iron and thorium isn’t going to be all that
significant unless it’s a highly suicidal retrograde impact, or
something as big as another icy Selene (<8.5e22 kg).
Guess my tired old idea of relocating our Selene/moon out to Earth L1
is another one of those too little too late sort of things. Sorry
about that.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
Between Krakatoa and Yellowstone, if those two geothermal mega vents
manage to blow their gasket at roughly the same time (either one of
those could trigger the other, as well as causing multiple other
secondary trauma) is when we’re in deep trouble with that Warhol “lake
of fire”, or perhaps there will become two lakes of fire. But at
least we can forget about whatever cosmic fireballs and asteroid
encounters for a while, because even that of a 10 km asteroid of
mostly iron and thorium isn’t going to be all that significant unless
it’s a highly suicidal retrograde impact, or something as big as
another icy Selene (<8.5e22 kg).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1203028/Will-Krakat...
Guess my tired old idea of relocating our Selene/moon out to Earth L1
is another one of those too little too late sort of things. Sorry
about that. Of course there's always obfuscation and mainstream
denial that's so much easier to deal with, and a whole lot cheaper.
And, lets not waste any talent or resources on understanding the
implications of what closing in on the Sirius Star/solar system might
represent.
Although, try to imagine what it was like when Sirius-B was in her
prime.
BradGuth
> On Jun 20, 6:16 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 4:47 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
> > > only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
> > > to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
> > > we’ve been taught to accept. However, the visible spectrum is
> > > extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
> > > just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
> > > spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
> > > in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
> > > seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
> > > UV and IR)
>
> > > “Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
> > > http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Giant_Star_Found_to_Have_Massive_T...
> > > Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
> > > dyingstarsituated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
> > > and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
> > > years.”
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
> > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html
>
> > > lot larger (<1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
> > > http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_science/x-ray-symposium/173770_m...
>
> > > Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
> > > http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html
>
> > > a truly massive (<9 solarmass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
> > > burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
> > > planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. For
> > > perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
> > > white dwarf.
>
> > > These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
> > > a slightly smaller version of what the Siriusstar/solar system looked
> > > supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its originalmass,
> > > taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosivemassshedding phase
> > > to happen. A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
> > > dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spentstar, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
> > > display such examples.
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
> > > http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
> > > http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html
>
> > > Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold themassof our
> > > sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold themassof the originalSiriusB,
> > > and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
> > > impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
> > > size of Jupiter.
>
> > > The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
> > > improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
> > > existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
> > > some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
> > > door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
> > > our solar system has to offer.
>
> > We seem to have become closely associated with theSiriusstar
> represent.
>
> Although, try to imagine what it was like whenSirius-B was in her
> prime.
Mainstream physics and science is not to be lightly discounted or
otherwise discarded. However, some items of our solar system seem to
have been added after the original formations of our sun and a few
planets, while others seem badly skewed because of nearby external
forces. It seems +/- 1 degree might be an acceptable standard for
being part of the original protoplanetary elliptic plane. However,
the more degrees off that plane, the more unlikely they existed from
the very start of our solar system.
Like those icy Pluto planetoids and Sedna at near 12 degrees most
certainly are not in the same plane. However, supposedly there are a
few interesting Kuiper and Oort retrograde orbits, although Sedna
isn't one of those. Noteworthy is that Cruithne has been a nearby
second moon of Earth, however oddly so and otherwise at nearly 20
degrees inclination is also not within the expected orbital plane,
just like our Selene/moon at 5+ degrees isn’t exactly flying within
the expected plane of our solar system.
Besides the usual orbital mechanics that can’t quite explain items
like Sedna with such minimal velocity and low density, as to why the
hell does Sedna bother to turn itself around and head way the hell
back out there? (are the Sedna electrons helping to repel it away from
those of our solar system electron outflux?)
With Sedna we're talking of an extremely deep elliptical trek of 76 AU
out to 976 AU and obviously back again, at an average orbital velocity
of 1.04 km/sec (about the same as our Selene/moon), with an overall
duration of <12,060 years (also given as >10,000 years by some), as
supposedly offering the 0.84 eccentric orbit in relationship with the
elliptic antipode focus that’s roughly 900 AU. I think it’s more of
an irregular elliptical trek that’s taking a tight turn at 76 AU and a
broad turn at 976 AU.
Just because something like Sedna as once upon a time having been
perturbed into an elliptical trek (most likely by Sirius B and/or from
that substantial Sirius molecular cloud of < 12.5e6 Ms) , doesn't
explain why it's keeping that extreme elliptical pattern, unless the
stealth gravity or dark matter influence is still out there, and/or
the electrons emitted by Sedna are that much unusually greater
influence than previously thought. According to some, there’s also
another 40 some odd distant items as large or larger than Sedna.
In other words, the reduced velocity at 976 AU and relatively low mass
of Sedna simply isn’t worth enough kinetic energy in order to match or
exceed the orbital escape velocity, pretty much the same analogy that
applies as to why our solar system can not escape the extended
elliptic association we have had with the Sirius star/solar system, or
at least that of some barycenter dominated by the remaining 3.5
greater mass that used to be worth <12.5 Ms, and before then (>250e6
BP) represented by the molecular cloud of <12.5e6 Ms.
How is it even remotely possible of orbital mechanics that applies to
the likes of Sedna and otherwise not to the stellar motions of nearby
solar systems?