Dusty Miller and Son
Anonymous
A friend of mine recommended me to Dusty Miller and Son, the
makers of wands and other magicak tools. Would anyone in this
group care to comment or give any further recommendations regarding
the Miller's. I'm a newbie and any comments would be very useful.
Thanks and Blessed Be
Arman
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Jani
"Anonymous" <Bigapple...@bigapple.yi.org> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> A friend of mine recommended me to Dusty Miller and Son, the
> makers of wands and other magicak tools. Would anyone in this
> group care to comment or give any further recommendations regarding
> the Miller's. I'm a newbie and any comments would be very useful.
Since this is uk religion *pagan*, as opposed to uk newage ripoff merchants,
you'll have to wait until I stop laughing.
"Be careful not to swallow the pebble." Oh dearie dearie me *wipes eyes*
Jani
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Actually, I hear Ollivanders of Diagon Alley is quite good.
All the best people use them.
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Jackdaw
"Halla" <ha...@drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:45:52 +0100, "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com>
> blethered:
>
> "Dusty Miller and son, is a very small family business that has been
> involved in the magical production of LiveWood Wands and Healing Tools
> for many centuries. All of their LiveWood Object d'Art are produced
> individually in the time honoured traditional manner that dates back,
> with their family history, to the Pre-Celtic Days of the WildWood. "
>
> http://www.fengshuiweb.co.uk/pages/livewood2.htm
>
> I don't know that I shall add any further comment. :-)
I want a Bog Oak Potato Goddess Figurine for my Pre Pict, Genuine Stone
Altar.
8挑
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Wood Avens
<ha...@drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:
>Whereas I was going ot be nice until I went and googled and saw this:
>
>"Dusty Miller and son, is a very small family business that has been
>involved in the magical production of LiveWood Wands and Healing Tools
>for many centuries. All of their LiveWood Object d'Art are produced
>individually in the time honoured traditional manner that dates back,
>with their family history, to the Pre-Celtic Days of the WildWood. "
>
>http://www.fengshuiweb.co.uk/pages/livewood2.htm
>
>I don't know that I shall add any further comment. :-)
Trouble is, genuine innocent newbies sometimes genuinely believe that
what they're being taught does genuinely date back in an unbroken
wotsit to the Pre-Celtic (unfriendly, boggy, chilly, prickly,
outlaw-infested, inhabited by hungry bears, boars, wolves and rats,
iin short exceeedingly dangerous as well as historically undocumented)
Wildwood. So they're deluded into thinking that the claims on DM &
son's website are a sign of authenticity, rather than a sign of
exactly the opposite.
Of course, DM & son might still make decent wands. But why on earth
buy a wand? If you want one, make it. That gives it 100 times more
power than anything you can buy from anywhere.
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Wood Avens
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Mike Hubbard
I just had a look at that site. I wonder if the feng shui they sell is
the original genuine pre-celtic feng shui or the modern foreign
version?
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"Mike Hubbard" <mhubbar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Silly Pre-Christian, late Neo-Celtic person, it's genuine Pre-Celtic!
And as a special Beltane ( whatever you wanna call it ) a
Pict / Celtic / Irish cassette with genuine Pan pipes for only £40.00 Post
paid.
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Authentic, pre Celtic tunes to lift your Charkas .
Cllr Andrea Collins
Hm. My hazel tree needs coppicing this autumn. I SUPPOSE I could describe
the garden as a "sacred grove" or a "wild wood".....
Wood Avens
<andrea....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Hm. My hazel tree needs coppicing this autumn. I SUPPOSE I could describe
>the garden as a "sacred grove" or a "wild wood".....
Think on. You could make a fortune out of the wands, staffs, etc,
which would be the result of coppicing.
Mike Hubbard
<dicon-...@jackdaw-crafts.co.uk> wrote:
>"Mike Hubbard" <mhubbar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> I just had a look at that site. I wonder if the feng shui they sell is
>> the original genuine pre-celtic feng shui or the modern foreign
>> version?
>
> Silly Pre-Christian, late Neo-Celtic person, it's genuine Pre-Celtic!
>And as a special Beltane ( whatever you wanna call it ) a
> Pict / Celtic / Irish cassette with genuine Pan pipes for only £40.00 Post
>paid.
Of course. And I suppose it's on cassette because they didn't have CDs
in those days.
(sings quietly to self) Heng Feng Shooey - number one super guy!
Francis Cameron
<Bigapple...@bigapple.yi.org> writes
>A friend of mine recommended me to Dusty Miller and Son, the makers of
>wands and other magicak tools. Would anyone in this group care to
>comment or give any further recommendations regarding the Miller's. I'm
>a newbie and any comments would be very useful.
I've had neither sight nor sound of Dusty Miller since one of Marion
Green's annual Green Circle gatherings in London back somewhere in the
late 80s or early 90s. I picked up one of his wands. It was so highly
charged I had to put it down. Quickly1
--
Francis
Perplexed Seal
> I can't find any of these wondrous treasures you mention, merely
> endless statues of gods and buddhas[1] in various media. Is it on some
> sort of 'favoured initiates only' link? ;-)
>
> [1] Including Kwan (or indeed Quan) Yin, on this site and on various
> eBay auctions she's referred to as a goddess or a female Buddha. I
> thought she was a bodhisattva?
Quan Yin is a representation of Chenrezig, or White Tara who is a
Bodhisattva, however a Bodhisattva is one who has achieved enlightenment
or buddhahood yet chooses to continue incarnating until all sentient
beings have achieved the same state.
Describing Quan Yin as a Buddha is strictly correct but fails to capture
the difference between the realised and incarnate.
However she's not a goddess. In the Mahayana tradition the God Realm is
the highest of the 6 realms of Samsara, achieving buddhahood allows one
to break free of that cycle, so a Bodhisattva, as a realised
practitioner, cannot be a God.
Regards
Alistair
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'Thenie
> Wood Avens blethered:
> >"Cllr Andrea Collins" wrote:
> >
> >>Hm. My hazel tree needs coppicing this autumn. I SUPPOSE I
could describe
> >>the garden as a "sacred grove" or a "wild wood".....
> >
> >Think on. You could make a fortune out of the wands, staffs,
etc,
> >which would be the result of coppicing.
>
> earlier... the poor thing is shrivelling up and going brown on
some
> branches, I've had to start watering it in hopes it doesn't die
> totally. I don't want to go lopping bits off it, either, but if
it
> *does* turn up its roots, what am I going to do with it?
Ebay.
Seriously, you could make a >>>fortune<<< selling the branches
("Genuine English Hazelwood and Rowanwood!!!") to americans for
magickal tool manufacture (wands, knife shafts, charms, rune
tablets, etc).
Sell them as they are coped off the tree, cut to a reasonable
length or sawed into round or oval "coins" for rune tablets, or go
so far as to mark with runes or "eldritch symbols".
Why not be paid to have your garden refuse removed?
-'Thenie
having mixed feelings about this subject
'Thenie
> Anonymous writes
>
> >A friend of mine recommended me to Dusty Miller and Son, the
makers of
> >wands and other magicak tools. Would anyone in this group care
to
> >comment or give any further recommendations regarding the
Miller's. I'm
> >a newbie and any comments would be very useful.
>
> I've had neither sight nor sound of Dusty Miller since one of
Marion
> Green's annual Green Circle gatherings in London back somewhere
in the
> late 80s or early 90s. I picked up one of his wands. It was so
highly
> charged I had to put it down. Quickly1
A point I was just about to make myself under a different comment
(Wood Avens, upthread: "But why on earth buy a wand? If you want
one, make it. That gives it 100 times more power than anything
you can buy from anywhere.")...
Commercially-acquired wands have the disadvantage of having a bit
of energy from every fool or adept that has picked it up, plus the
energy of the craftsman that worked it. Cleansing can correct
that, at least mostly.
Wands can be more for show or an object of art, possibly too
beautiful to use but a benefit to display or have in the magickal
environment. And there's no denying the power of either
impressing (in group work) or inspiring (in group or solitarily).
But, as Francis says, sometimes a wand is worked and charged by
its artisan quite impressively, possibly even "tuned" to specific
applications magickally. Something in the materials used or the
ability or influence of the artisan leaves a respectable charge in
the tool. Money changing hands over it does not cheapen the
object or the ability, but merely supports the work of the one
with the talent to produce such items.
Yes, better to make one's own, but is there anything wrong with
buying a serious tool either for primary use or even to use as a
standard to developing the skill to make such wands oneself?
-'Thenie
Marsh Daisy
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <di...@neopax.com> wrote in message
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But now Voldermort is back he's not doing any more business there.....
Marsh Daisy
Wood Avens
wrote:
>Yes, better to make one's own, but is there anything wrong with
>buying a serious tool either for primary use or even to use as a
>standard to developing the skill to make such wands oneself?
<rant>
Whar's wrong with it is that it encourages you to think that wands
need to look a certain way, preferably a professionally-finished way
that you're encouraged to believe you can't emulate. What's wrong
with it is that it buys into a marketing ploy. What "makes" a wand is
its use; otherwise it's anything from a bit of stick to an expensive
ornament. Cutting a branch using a silver knife at midnight on a full
moon, carving it and polishing it and setting crystals in it and
engraving sigils on it and cleansing it in dew doesn't make it a wand,
and nor does labelling it "WAND: $55".
Making athames from scratch isn't very easy; creating a wand, though,
is something which *anyone* can do, which is why I get hot under the
collar over the disempowering side-effects of marketing. It leads
people to think that a sleek, beautiful, carved etc etc wand is bound
to work better than a piece of a branch from a hedgerow. Exactly the
reverse is true.
Think and dream "wand" for a week. Then go looking under a tree, in a
park or a wood or a garden, or take a knife or secateurs and ask a
tree for permission to cut a length of wood, or search along the
tide-line on a beach. Intuit the piece you want. Take it home.
Sleep with it under your pillow. Use it as a transmitter of the
energy you put into your working. Use it. Use it. Use it. That
makes it a wand.
When you know how to use a wand, when it's second nature, when there's
no separation between your will and your hand and your wand, when in a
pinch you can pick up any vaguely wand-shaped object and use that too,
then set about learning how to carve or polish or engrave or inset
stones, if you still want to. Buy one, even. Nothing wrong with
buying a beautifully-crafted tool - once you know and can ensure
beyond any shadow of doubt that 100% of its power comes from *you* and
not from the wand itself.
<end rant>
Just to reinforce that, though: you might think, even so, that it
would be nice to have a wand with lots of intrinsic power, as Francis
described. Think again. That's someone (or something) else's power
there, and it's not necessarily power which accomplishes *your* will.
Whew. Got that off my chest.
Cernnunos
<wood...@askjennison.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:41:44 GMT, "'Thenie" <mtn-...@prodigy.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, better to make one's own, but is there anything wrong with
>>buying a serious tool either for primary use or even to use as a
>>standard to developing the skill to make such wands oneself?
>
><rant>
>
<reluctant snip>
>
><end rant>
>
Hi
I hate to say this, but this is the kind of pomposity that I'm
starting to see from a lot of Pagans who've been around for a while.
It might have been ideal 'in days of yore' to make as much of your own
tools that you could, but now-a-days a lot of people practically
cannot do a lot of simple things. I count myself as lucky as I am a
Jack-of-all-trades... I can make a sword for re-enactment, service my
car to keep it on the road, build computers for myself or friends, I
can even do basic joinery. But I can't easily cook unless I follow a
recipe book, I can't paint pictures, and I'm certainly not looking
forward to learning how to deal with baby Ro'ane when he arrives.
The point I'm trying to make is that we have now got a society that
has developed mostly into a 'pay for specialists' society and a lot of
people seem scared to try things for themselves. Wood Avens, I'm
betting by your nick that you work in wood, enjoy wood, and can do
lots to wood. Cutting a stick from a tree (after you have asked of
course ;) ), cleaning it and turning it into a wand that you like
might be easy for you, but for some it means a trip to A&E and several
stiches, with the twig/branch half cut off the bush/tree and the
plant's valuable sap leaking out until the wound is sealed.
I do agree that a lot of wands out there are very fancy, over the top
ornaments, and if you try to work with them, it might be safer playing
with mr firework and mr match, but for some people they know no
better. And remember, even in older days people still went to others
who knew better to get a service they needed. Maybe it's the fact
that we now use money to get what we need (or in some cases throwing
money around to get what they want *shudder*) that makes experienced
people object to 'modern' Pagaism, but is it so wrong? After all it is
simply a barter system with 'tokens' that allow you to trade your
skills on a wider basis than of old.
Ye gads, I guess I should have <rant></rant>ed all that. Guess I've
been on the sidelines too long :)
Cern
manawydan
"Cernnunos" <cernnun...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> The point I'm trying to make is that we have now got a society that
> has developed mostly into a 'pay for specialists' society and a lot of
> people seem scared to try things for themselves. Wood Avens, I'm
> betting by your nick that you work in wood, enjoy wood, and can do
> lots to wood. Cutting a stick from a tree (after you have asked of
> course ;) ), cleaning it and turning it into a wand that you like
> might be easy for you, but for some it means a trip to A&E and several
> stiches, with the twig/branch half cut off the bush/tree and the
> plant's valuable sap leaking out until the wound is sealed.
Can't speak for Wood Avens, though my mental picture was closer to this
http://www.bioimages.org.uk/HTML/P4/P47992.HTM
But I'm in agreement with the line that "paying for specialists" should be
what you do when it's necessary not what you do by default. There are
certainly Pagans for whom it would be impossible to take a wand from nature
(for health reasons perhaps). But for someone able bodied, is not the point
that you put the effort in to do it for yourself rather than handing over
responsibility to someone else. You do find a suitable bush, you do ask with
respect for a piece of its wood, and you cut it carefully with a suitable
tool, which does little damage to the bush and none at all to you...
gwyn eich byd
Ffred
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Perplexed Seal
>>Halla wrote:
>>>I can't find any of these wondrous treasures you mention, merely
>>>endless statues of gods and buddhas[1] in various media. Is it on some
>>>sort of 'favoured initiates only' link? ;-)
>>>
>>>[1] Including Kwan (or indeed Quan) Yin, on this site and on various
>>>eBay auctions she's referred to as a goddess or a female Buddha. I
>>>thought she was a bodhisattva?
>>
>>Quan Yin is a representation of Chenrezig, or White Tara
>
>
> Although, now I think about it, I could be talking rubbish as I don't
> know where I got that idea... maybe I just thought I thought it.
It could really be either, as they are both from Mahayana traditions.
> Why the skipping from male to female? Different aspects or two
> different Bodhisattvas who have drifted towards being one? I note from
> one page that Chenrezig is also Quan Yin in China and is also Kannon
> in Japan.
I'm not really very sure, but it may be a reflection of the
representations evolving within their local cultural context.
Although I'd add that it really isn't important in terms of the
cosmology wince our sex is largely unimportant to realisation.
>>Describing Quan Yin as a Buddha is strictly correct but fails to capture
>>the difference between the realised and incarnate.
>
>
> Right. Um. Eh?
Quan Yin is one who has achieve enlightenment so might reasonably be
described as a Buddha. However the choice to remain incarnate is that
of the Bodhisattva. There is little real difference in terms of
realisation. Perhaps badly explained.
> Thank you for the info. Quan Yin also appears on the Goddess Oracle,
> although I suspect a few of them are not, strictly speaking,
> goddesses. Beautiful picture, mind.
>
> http://www.hranajanto.com/goddessgallery/kuanyin.html
> http://www.hranajanto.com/goddessgallery/tara.html
They are, although the latter image is of Green Tara, not White Tara ;)
Alistair
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"Wood Avens" <wood...@askjennison.com> wrote in message
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Short story, perhaps pertinent.
Once tried at a pinch and with no "stick" available, my oft used long
acrylic paint brush. ( Windsor & Newton )..Zap! Lots of power.
I guess it was something, used to my hand and had built up a "creative
power". Somehow tho, it didn't surprise me.
Wood Avens
<cernnun...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>I hate to say this, but this is the kind of pomposity that I'm
>starting to see from a lot of Pagans who've been around for a while.
>It might have been ideal 'in days of yore' to make as much of your own
>tools that you could, but now-a-days a lot of people practically
>cannot do a lot of simple things.
My point is that this *is* something anyone can do. Anyone who can
use a wand can make a wand. You're assuming that "make" means the
physical act of crafting or constructing, whereas in this case it
simply means the transforming and empowering of any more-or-less
wand-sized bit of anything.
>Wood Avens, I'm
>betting by your nick that you work in wood, enjoy wood, and can do
>lots to wood.
Not exactly: Ffred is absolutely right about "Wood Avens". Small and
not particularly spectacular, but quite persistent.
My point, however, is that to "make" a wand it's *not necessary* to be
able to work in wood or to know how to use or even to possess a pair
of secateurs or any other tool. Any found stick, any paintbrush,
pencil, dowel length, bit of driftwood, knitting needle, pastry brush,
ruler, matchstick, hatpin, skewer, mop-handle, toothbrush, nailfile,
dead flower-stalk, drinking-straw, broken-off car-aerial, dried-up
biro or rolled-up piece of paper becomes a wand if you use it as one.
>Cutting a stick from a tree (after you have asked of
>course ;) ), cleaning it and turning it into a wand that you like
>might be easy for you, but for some it means a trip to A&E and several
>stiches, with the twig/branch half cut off the bush/tree and the
>plant's valuable sap leaking out until the wound is sealed.
As I said, if that's the sort of wand you want, you can choose to
learn how to make it yourself (certainly not everyone is born with the
skills to make that particular sort of wand, but never assume you
can't learn a skill until you've tried), or indeed you can buy it.
I'm not seeking to devalue beautiful or special tools.
I repeat, though: a wand is anything which you use as a wand. So
anyone who uses one makes one.
Rexx
> But I'm in agreement with the line that "paying for specialists" should
> be what you do when it's necessary not what you do by default.
*snip*
Lets cut it down to basics, if there were no specialists none of us would
need (or have) jobs. :)
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<wood...@askjennison.com> wrote:
<snip>
>My point, however, is that to "make" a wand it's *not necessary* to be
>able to work in wood or to know how to use or even to possess a pair
>of secateurs or any other tool. Any found stick, any paintbrush,
>pencil, dowel length, bit of driftwood, knitting needle, pastry brush,
>ruler, matchstick, hatpin, skewer, mop-handle, toothbrush, nailfile,
>dead flower-stalk, drinking-straw, broken-off car-aerial, dried-up
>biro or rolled-up piece of paper becomes a wand if you use it as one.
Ah, but surely all these things are man-made and hence already contain
the worst enegies of modern manufacture. Not that I am disagreeing
with your point. I myself don't go in for a lot of tools at the
moment, but am making what I decide I want.
>As I said, if that's the sort of wand you want, you can choose to
>learn how to make it yourself (certainly not everyone is born with the
>skills to make that particular sort of wand, but never assume you
>can't learn a skill until you've tried), or indeed you can buy it.
>I'm not seeking to devalue beautiful or special tools.
>
>I repeat, though: a wand is anything which you use as a wand. So
>anyone who uses one makes one.
Like I say, ideally yes. But if it feels right, go for it.
Personally I'd rather go im person to 'feel' the object before buying
it to use as a tool rather than buy it on eBay.
Cern
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
>
> But now Voldermort is back he's not doing any more business there.....
Pity Lucius Malfoy is banged up.
He really knew how to treat an annoying house elf.
Maybe Lucas could import him for JarJar Binks...
All Hail Voldemort!