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Christadelphian errors of Judgment !
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jeffhi...@gmail.com
Oct 16, 2021, 5:44:29 PM10/16/21
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Art, stated "I assume you are a Christadelphian? "
I was schooled by them since childhood, baptized by them in 1975 at the age of 31. And had four generations of families alongside.
Sadly, I was obligated to leave the Christadelphians many years ago, as they did not 'Practice what they preached' regarding divorce & remarriage and "Unequally Yoking together with unbelievers".
They teach that which is true, that Christ forbids divorce "What God hath joined together let not man put asunder" but then I later found they hypocritically were fellowshipping divorced & remarried sisters, often remarried to an unbeliever, and welcoming them back into fellowship.
They also teach that marriage with unbelievers is forbidden, unless already married to an unbeliever before baptism, yet hypocritically and in defiance to Almighty God's warning, had many sisters in fellowship who have defied and denied the faith on this issue, yet fellowship had not been withheld, but extended to them.
I was totally amazed, terribly upset, as a young and zealous new brother and full of godly sorrow.
They are known as the lax Central Fellowship.
The Christadelphian Dawn Fellowship, although refusing to fellowship Divorced & remarried brethren & sisters, which is righteous and Biblically correct, still allow their sisters to become married to unbelievers and remain in fellowship, even though Almighty God Himself has forbidden such an ungodly and ***devilish alliance.
"14 Stop forming inappropriate relationships with unbelievers. Can right and wrong be partners?
Can light have anything in common with darkness?
15 Can Christ agree with the ***devil?
Can a believer share life with an unbeliever?
16 Can God's temple contain false gods? Clearly, we are the temple of the living God.
As God said,
“I will live and walk among them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”
17 The Lord says, “Get away from unbelievers.
Separate yourselves from them.
Have nothing to do with anything unclean.
Then I will welcome you.”
18 The Lord Almighty says, “I will be your Father,
and you will be my sons and daughters.”
2 Corinthians6:14-18 (GW)
So it can quite clearly be seen that the Lord Almighty will not welcome or accept such brethren & sisters [sons and daughters] who refuse to comply.
Yet both bodies refuse to disfellowship such rebellious fornicators, but invite them to continue in their God forbidden, immoral relationships for as long as they desire.
St. Paul warned the brethren in his letter to Timothy of such a disastrous falling away from the Truth.
"Neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure".
1 Timothy 5:22 (KJV)
For as Paul plainly warned.
"He who bids god-speed is a partaker of their evil deeds".
Which makes those who fellowship such defiant reprobates, jointly guilty with the adulterers and fornicators they have allowed to remain in fellowship.
For as Paul warns again.
"6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?"
1 Corinthians 5:5-6 (ASV)
Or from another translation:
"Don't you know that a little yeast spreads through the whole batch of dough? "
1 Cor. 5:6 (GW)
Thus the whole body of believers becomes jointly guilty before Almighty God on these immoral issues.
You further state..."We both know that marriage and divorce is an issue that has long been debated within our community"
Yes, it had when I became aware of the terrible hypocrisy of both bodies of Christadelphians.
Preaching the truth on these matters in one breath, which forbids such wicked alliances, then hypocritically defying the faith in another, and allowing them to remain in fellowship.
Which immediately made me realize Christ's serious words of strong rebuke and condemnation.
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".
Matthew 15:6-9 (KJV)
You further stated:
"- I don't think a public forum is a place to indulge ourselves"
No one is 'indulging themselves' by reminding those [in the very presence of God and his Angels] who have fallen away from the TRUTH of these serious issues of faith, which need correcting BEFORE the Lord Returns to "Judge his people".
For we are told that such people who are in breach of the Truth on these fundamental issues, and those being 'co-workers' to the evil, are drinking "Damnation" to themselves.
"27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body"
1 Cor .11:27-29 (KJV)
You further state.." While I am sympathetic to your view, you need to reach much higher echelons than a Facebook page or group to initiate a serious conversation about this".
It is not my view, but the plain infallible teachings of both Jesus Christ and Almighty God on such essential matters of faith regarding our probationary walk to the kingdom.
The 'higher echelons' also refuse to face the plain Truth on these marital immoral issues.
For they love their wives, daughters, sons, and kinfolk much more than they love the marital instructions of Christ and his Father in heaven.
You further state. "Even with the best will, there will always be division about this subject"
No!
There will never be any division for those truly dedicated to obeying the Lord Christ and Almighty God's plain warnings of forbidden divorce and remarriages, and "Unequally Yoking together with unbelievers"
The sad part is the two Christadelphian bodies are proving the very words of Christ by refusing to love HIM above Kith & Kin.
"25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus. He turned to them and said,
26 “If people come to me and are not ready to abandon their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as their own lives, they cannot be my disciples"
Luke 14:25-26 (GW)
This is why there is no positive and dedicated effort to correct the issues in the Christadelphian fellowships.
They are not prepared to abandon their kith & kin who are guilty of these kingdom excluding offenses.
"9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
**Be not deceived:**
neither **fornicators, nor idolaters, nor **adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God".
1 Cor. 6:9-10 (ASV)
You further state: "So I personally choose to preach the positiveness and salvation found only in the message of the Bible"
But are refusing to acknowledge there is a great fault among you, and are not willing to correct such plain errors of judgment regarding forbidden divorce and adulterous remarriages, and the whoredom of those deliberately Yoking themselves together with unbelievers.
But the Lord God in his mercy is showing you and others the TRUTH of this matter, before we must ALL appear before him for Judgment and worthiness of being granted a place in his awesome coming kingdom.
Jeff. Hickling.
"Stay true to what is right for the sake of your own salvation and the salvation of those who hear you".
1 Timothy 4:16 (NLT)
I was schooled by them since childhood, baptized by them in 1975 at the age of 31. And had four generations of families alongside.
Sadly, I was obligated to leave the Christadelphians many years ago, as they did not 'Practice what they preached' regarding divorce & remarriage and "Unequally Yoking together with unbelievers".
They teach that which is true, that Christ forbids divorce "What God hath joined together let not man put asunder" but then I later found they hypocritically were fellowshipping divorced & remarried sisters, often remarried to an unbeliever, and welcoming them back into fellowship.
They also teach that marriage with unbelievers is forbidden, unless already married to an unbeliever before baptism, yet hypocritically and in defiance to Almighty God's warning, had many sisters in fellowship who have defied and denied the faith on this issue, yet fellowship had not been withheld, but extended to them.
I was totally amazed, terribly upset, as a young and zealous new brother and full of godly sorrow.
They are known as the lax Central Fellowship.
The Christadelphian Dawn Fellowship, although refusing to fellowship Divorced & remarried brethren & sisters, which is righteous and Biblically correct, still allow their sisters to become married to unbelievers and remain in fellowship, even though Almighty God Himself has forbidden such an ungodly and ***devilish alliance.
"14 Stop forming inappropriate relationships with unbelievers. Can right and wrong be partners?
Can light have anything in common with darkness?
15 Can Christ agree with the ***devil?
Can a believer share life with an unbeliever?
16 Can God's temple contain false gods? Clearly, we are the temple of the living God.
As God said,
“I will live and walk among them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”
17 The Lord says, “Get away from unbelievers.
Separate yourselves from them.
Have nothing to do with anything unclean.
Then I will welcome you.”
18 The Lord Almighty says, “I will be your Father,
and you will be my sons and daughters.”
2 Corinthians6:14-18 (GW)
So it can quite clearly be seen that the Lord Almighty will not welcome or accept such brethren & sisters [sons and daughters] who refuse to comply.
Yet both bodies refuse to disfellowship such rebellious fornicators, but invite them to continue in their God forbidden, immoral relationships for as long as they desire.
St. Paul warned the brethren in his letter to Timothy of such a disastrous falling away from the Truth.
"Neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure".
1 Timothy 5:22 (KJV)
For as Paul plainly warned.
"He who bids god-speed is a partaker of their evil deeds".
Which makes those who fellowship such defiant reprobates, jointly guilty with the adulterers and fornicators they have allowed to remain in fellowship.
For as Paul warns again.
"6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?"
1 Corinthians 5:5-6 (ASV)
Or from another translation:
"Don't you know that a little yeast spreads through the whole batch of dough? "
1 Cor. 5:6 (GW)
Thus the whole body of believers becomes jointly guilty before Almighty God on these immoral issues.
You further state..."We both know that marriage and divorce is an issue that has long been debated within our community"
Yes, it had when I became aware of the terrible hypocrisy of both bodies of Christadelphians.
Preaching the truth on these matters in one breath, which forbids such wicked alliances, then hypocritically defying the faith in another, and allowing them to remain in fellowship.
Which immediately made me realize Christ's serious words of strong rebuke and condemnation.
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".
Matthew 15:6-9 (KJV)
You further stated:
"- I don't think a public forum is a place to indulge ourselves"
No one is 'indulging themselves' by reminding those [in the very presence of God and his Angels] who have fallen away from the TRUTH of these serious issues of faith, which need correcting BEFORE the Lord Returns to "Judge his people".
For we are told that such people who are in breach of the Truth on these fundamental issues, and those being 'co-workers' to the evil, are drinking "Damnation" to themselves.
"27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body"
1 Cor .11:27-29 (KJV)
You further state.." While I am sympathetic to your view, you need to reach much higher echelons than a Facebook page or group to initiate a serious conversation about this".
It is not my view, but the plain infallible teachings of both Jesus Christ and Almighty God on such essential matters of faith regarding our probationary walk to the kingdom.
The 'higher echelons' also refuse to face the plain Truth on these marital immoral issues.
For they love their wives, daughters, sons, and kinfolk much more than they love the marital instructions of Christ and his Father in heaven.
You further state. "Even with the best will, there will always be division about this subject"
No!
There will never be any division for those truly dedicated to obeying the Lord Christ and Almighty God's plain warnings of forbidden divorce and remarriages, and "Unequally Yoking together with unbelievers"
The sad part is the two Christadelphian bodies are proving the very words of Christ by refusing to love HIM above Kith & Kin.
"25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus. He turned to them and said,
26 “If people come to me and are not ready to abandon their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as their own lives, they cannot be my disciples"
Luke 14:25-26 (GW)
This is why there is no positive and dedicated effort to correct the issues in the Christadelphian fellowships.
They are not prepared to abandon their kith & kin who are guilty of these kingdom excluding offenses.
"9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
**Be not deceived:**
neither **fornicators, nor idolaters, nor **adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God".
1 Cor. 6:9-10 (ASV)
You further state: "So I personally choose to preach the positiveness and salvation found only in the message of the Bible"
But are refusing to acknowledge there is a great fault among you, and are not willing to correct such plain errors of judgment regarding forbidden divorce and adulterous remarriages, and the whoredom of those deliberately Yoking themselves together with unbelievers.
But the Lord God in his mercy is showing you and others the TRUTH of this matter, before we must ALL appear before him for Judgment and worthiness of being granted a place in his awesome coming kingdom.
Jeff. Hickling.
"Stay true to what is right for the sake of your own salvation and the salvation of those who hear you".
1 Timothy 4:16 (NLT)
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