nehemiah the sabbath reformer
rasell
(available on Amazon.co.uk) which tells the exciting story of the
rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under intense opposition from the
Samaritans. Nehemiah was a leader who would not tolerate heathen
marriages or Sabbath breaking. Is this the kind of reformer we need
today? There is a deep spiritual lesson for God's end time people who
will be "repairers of the breach" and will rebuild God's downtrodden
laws, especially the Sabbath.
Do you think the Sabbath is observed properly today in Judaism?
God Bless
Marc Rasell
Henry Goodman
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Those of us that observe it observe it properly. Are you suggesting ways to
increase the number of Jews in the UK who are shomrei shabbat?
--
Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
rasell
> "rasell" <marcand...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:d9c51ea5-655c-4425...@n5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > hello, I wanted to introduce the book,NehemiahtheSabbathReformer
> > (available on Amazon.co.uk) which tells the exciting story of the
> > rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under intense opposition from the
> > marriages orSabbathbreaking. Is this the kind ofreformerwe need
> > today? There is a deep spiritual lesson for God's end time people who
> > will be "repairers of the breach" and will rebuild God's downtrodden
> > laws, especially theSabbath.
>
>
> > God Bless
>
> > Marc Rasell
>
> Those of us that observe it observe it properly. Are you suggesting ways to
> increase the number of Jews in the UK who are shomrei shabbat?
>
> --
> Henry Goodman
> henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
Just getting secular Jews to keep the Sabbath would be a good step
forward, in Nehemiah's day the people were bringing in their goods to
trade, and even when he had the gates locked the foreign traders
waited outside!
As to how Sabbath should be observed, that is more controversial, I
believe it should be kept according to the Torah, and especially
Isaiah 58.
God Bless
Marc
rasell
>
> news:d9c51ea5-655c-4425...@n5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > hello, I wanted to introduce the book,NehemiahtheSabbathReformer
> > (available on Amazon.co.uk) which tells the exciting story of the
> > rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under intense opposition from the
> > today? There is a deep spiritual lesson for God's end time people who
> > will be "repairers of the breach" and will rebuild God's downtrodden
>
> > Do you think theSabbathis observed properly today in Judaism?
>
> > God Bless
>
> > Marc Rasell
>
> Those of us that observe it observe it properly. Are you suggesting ways to
> increase the number of Jews in the UK who are shomrei shabbat?
>
> --
> Henry Goodman
> henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
True Sabbath keeping involves more than keeping a day, it involves the
inward spirit of a person, the destruction of selfishness, helping the
oppressed. This is the reformation of Sabbath observance indicated in
Isaiah 58. True, we need a literal Sabbath, but if the heart remains
set on Babylon then nothing has been achieved.
God Bless
Marc
Henry Goodman
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I have discovered via posts on soc.culture.jewish.moderated that this poster
is a christian missionary, which is a reason that if this newsgroup really
gets going again there will need to be proper moderation.
http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/profile/MarcRasell?xg_source=activity
D.M. Procida
> "rasell" <marca...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:d9c51ea5-655c-4425...@n5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > hello, I wanted to introduce the book, Nehemiah the Sabbath Reformer
> > (available on Amazon.co.uk) which tells the exciting story of the
> > rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under intense opposition from the
> > Samaritans.
>
> I have discovered via posts on soc.culture.jewish.moderated that this poster
> is a christian missionary, which is a reason that if this newsgroup really
> gets going again there will need to be proper moderation.
It looked boring, axe-grinding and as if it were busy trying to sell
something - and nobody paid it any attention (except you). Not much of a
threat, really.
Daniele
Graham.
>> hello, I wanted to introduce the book, Nehemiah the Sabbath Reformer
>> (available on Amazon.co.uk) which tells the exciting story of the
>> rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under intense opposition from the
>> Samaritans. Nehemiah was a leader who would not tolerate heathen
>> marriages or Sabbath breaking. Is this the kind of reformer we need
>> today? There is a deep spiritual lesson for God's end time people who
>> will be "repairers of the breach" and will rebuild God's downtrodden
>> laws, especially the Sabbath.
>>
>> Do you think the Sabbath is observed properly today in Judaism?
>>
>> God Bless
>>
>
> I have discovered via posts on soc.culture.jewish.moderated that this poster is a christian missionary, which is a reason that if
> this newsgroup really gets going again there will need to be proper moderation.
>
> http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/profile/MarcRasell?xg_source=activity
One has to ask where does moderation end, and censorship begin?
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Ian Chard
Agreed, and given the low traffic in this group, aggressive moderation
seems unnecessary (unlike, for example, uk.legal.moderated).
- Ian
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D.M. Procida
> > I have discovered via posts on soc.culture.jewish.moderated that this
> > poster is a christian missionary, which is a reason that if this
> > newsgroup really gets going again there will need to be proper
> > moderation.
> >
> > http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/profile/MarcRasell?xg_source=activity
>
> One has to ask where does moderation end, and censorship begin?
This kind of thing is as welcome as a troll on uk.com.sys.mac who starts
off with some slyly innocent question in order to drag people into a
debate about MS Windows.
But, it's only a problem if people rise to the bait.
Daniele
c...@nospam.netunix.com
>
> I have discovered via posts on soc.culture.jewish.moderated that this poster
> is a christian missionary, which is a reason that if this newsgroup really
> gets going again there will need to be proper moderation.
>
> http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/profile/MarcRasell?xg_source=activity
They are usually easy to spot from the use of phrases such as "end days".
The more difficult task is separating those who visit in order to learn
from those who come to preach. Good moderation software allows the
human moderator to mark a thread or a person for manual article approval.
lee
I like to do things with my kids & not to think about work. Does that
count?
rasell
> On Apr 22, 9:39 am, rasell <marcand...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > hello, I wanted to introduce the book,NehemiahtheSabbathReformer
> > (available on Amazon.co.uk) which tells the exciting story of the
> > rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under intense opposition from the
> > today? There is a deep spiritual lesson for God's end time people who
> > will be "repairers of the breach" and will rebuild God's downtrodden
>
> > Do you think theSabbathis observed properly today in Judaism?
>
> > God Bless
>
> > Marc Rasell
>
> I like to do things with my kids & not to think about work. Does that
> count?
Spending time with the family is in harmony with Sabbath keeping, it
depends on what sort of activity, going for a walk in nature or
visiting a sick person sound OK, but going to an amusement park would
not fit in with "not doing you own please" on God's holy day.
God Bless
Marc
rasell
Are there no eschatological movements in Judaism toady? Anciently
there were the essennes, and from the 2nd century BC to the 1st
centuary AD there was a lot of apocalytic literature produced by
Jewish writiers, such as the book of Enoch etc.
D.M. Procida
rasell
Procida) wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't know, but you can get copies of it, although there is a lot of
uncertainly whether it is genuine.
You can probably download a copy from the internet.
D.M. Procida
> > > Are there no eschatological movements in Judaism toady? Anciently
> > > there were the essennes, and from the 2nd century BC to the 1st
> > > centuary AD there was a lot of apocalytic literature produced by
> > > Jewish writiers, such as the book of Enoch etc.
> >
> > Is Enoch's book on Amazon too?
> >
> > Daniele- Hide quoted text -
> I don't know, but you can get copies of it, although there is a lot of
> uncertainly whether it is genuine.
> You can probably download a copy from the internet.
I'd never do that. Life is hard enough for authors who are struggling to
make a living. They need the support of their potential readers, not to
have their meagre earnings eroded further by book piracy.
Daniele
Henry Goodman
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I would guess that the book of Enoch is out of copyright, even by the most
extreme definition. :-)
c...@nospam.netunix.com
> > uncertainly whether it is genuine.
> > You can probably download a copy from the internet.
>
> I'd never do that. Life is hard enough for authors who are struggling to
> make a living. They need the support of their potential readers, not to
> have their meagre earnings eroded further by book piracy.
Any copyright has long since expired and the assorted authors of the
works attributed to Enoch have been dead for over a thousand years.
All of which is totally off topic here, the only people who regard
Enoch as having any religious significance are AFAIK Ethiopian Christians.
When can we have proper moderation (pretty please) to keep the group
on topic ??
D.M. Procida
> > I'd never do that. Life is hard enough for authors who are struggling to
> > make a living. They need the support of their potential readers, not to
> > have their meagre earnings eroded further by book piracy.
>
> Any copyright has long since expired and the assorted authors of the
> works attributed to Enoch have been dead for over a thousand years.
Perhaps we should set up uk.religion.jewish-oblivious-to-sarcasm.
Daniele
lee
You don't need to, Society Culture Jewish Moderated, already exists.
rasell
> Any copyright has long since expired and the assorted authors of the
> works attributed to Enoch have been dead for over a thousand years.
> All of which is totally off topic here, the only people who regard
> Enoch as having any religious significance are AFAIK Ethiopian Christians.
1 Enoch was written in the 2nd century B.C. and is considered Jewish
Literature, although non canonical.
Other such writings include the Book of Jubilees, Testaments of Levi,
in this category is Qumran literature such as 11 Q Melchizedek, 4 Q
384-390 Pseudo-Ezekiel and 4 Q 180-181 The Ages of Creation. Some of
these Jewish writings have eschatalogical overtones which shows that
at that time eschatalogy was something of interest to Jewish scholars.
c...@nospam.netunix.com
> On 30 Apr, 13:40, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>
> > Any copyright has long since expired and the assorted authors of the
> > works attributed to Enoch have been dead for over a thousand years.
> > All of which is totally off topic here, the only people who regard
> > Enoch as having any religious significance are AFAIK Ethiopian Christians.
>
> 1 Enoch was written in the 2nd century B.C. and is considered Jewish
> Literature, although non canonical.
WRONG.
A comparison of the Ethiopian texts against the Qumran scroll remains
indicates many more modern revisions. 1 Enoch clearly consists of
several independant writings of assorted antiquity, parts of which
are belived by scholars to be up to 2500 years old.
IOW it is a ragbag of assorted writings consolidated under a single title.
IMHO this discussion is seriously off topic, should we really be
discussing this in ukrj or does it belong in ukrc ?
What do the moderators think ?
Henry Goodman
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As you know there is no human moderation at present while we are testing to
see if there is sufficient demand for installing proper moderation software.
If I was actively moderating I would reject this discussion, as I indicated
earlier in the thread.
At present, very little on-topic stuff is being posted.
How about discussing whether the Lib Dems are anti-Semitic as claimed by
last Friday week's Jewish Chronicle
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/30839/lib-dems-defend-lord-wallace-anti-zionism
rasell
>
> --
> Henry Goodman
> henry dot goodman at virgin dot net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you want to talk about anti-semitism, its never come from Sabbath
keeping Christians, who were persecuted themselves by sunday keeping
Christians.
One of the keys to breaking down anti semitism is to recognise that
Sabbath is the true day of worship for both Jews and non-Jews.
Such a move is prophecied in Isaiah 56:6-7, when Jews and non-Jews
will worship together on the Sabbath:
6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD
to serve him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to worship him,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations."
Sunday is one of the partician walls that has separated the two
groups, and is based on anti semitic sentiments going back to the
Roman Empire.
Shalom
Marc
lee
>
> --
> Henry Goodman
> henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
Did the Jewish Chronicle claim they were
A anti semitic ?
B or anti zionist?
C or anti some aspects of Israeli policies?
Myself from reading that article I would say some of the Lib Dems
mentioned are definitely C & Borderline B. However most of the
political parties are that way, or so it it seems.
D.M. Procida
> Did the Jewish Chronicle claim they were
> A anti semitic ?
> B or anti zionist?
> C or anti some aspects of Israeli policies?
> Myself from reading that article I would say some of the Lib Dems
> mentioned are definitely C & Borderline B. However most of the
> political parties are that way, or so it it seems.
Most *Israelis* fall into C. They're not noted for their docile support
of their governments.
Daniele