UK: Muslim wife and kids burned alive to preserve *honor*
Mosquebuster
ways
By Ian Herbert
Published: 21 February 2007
Mohammed Riaz made every conceivable attempt to prevent his wife and
daughters enjoying their Westernised lifestyle. He destroyed their clothes -
modest by Western standards but tight fitting by his own - when they came
out of the wash and he railed against plans to allow alcohol at his
terminally ill son's 18th birthday party - which had been brought forward
because of his prognosis.
Increasingly alienated and in despair over the illness of his son, Adam, the
labourer killed his wife and four daughters by throwing petrol over them as
they slept and igniting it.
At the inquest in Blackburn, Lancashire, yesterday the coroner, Mike
Singleton, recorded a verdict that Caneze Riaz, 39, and her four daughters,
Sayrah, 16, Sophia, 15, Alicia, 10, and Hannah, three, were unlawfully
killed at their terrace home in Accrington, and that Mr Riaz, who died in
hospital two days after the fire, took his own life. Adam died six weeks
later.
Police investigations revealed how estranged Mr Riaz, a traditionalist and a
practising Muslim who grew up in the North West Frontier Province of
Pakistan, had become from his vivacious wife, a high-profile community
worker who had co-founded the local Aawaz women's group, mentored teenage
girls at a high school in nearby Rishton, and was a school governor and
board member on several diversity groups.
Mrs Riaz, whose father married an English woman after becoming one of the
first Asian men to emigrate to the area in the 1960s, was sent back to
Pakistan for 15 years after completing primary school, but she returned in
the early 1990s with Mr Riaz, with whom she had an arranged marriage. The
children flourished in Britain. The eldest daughter, Sayrah, was a "second
mother" to her sisters, according to the family, and had a passion for
fashion design; Sophia, 13, loved rap music and wanted to be an MC, while
Alicia was the closest to her father. She embraced Asian culture the most
and was a regular at the mosque.
While their mother thrived, their father struggled to find employment,
eventually working for a plastic bag manufacturer in Blackburn. Their
relationship had deteriorated rapidly after the death of Mrs Riaz's father,
in 2003, and her husband had taken to sleeping downstairs. The pressures on
their relationship were made worse when Adam, who had moved in with his
uncle, was diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma, an aggressive form of cancer.
Doctors said he would live only six months.
"[It meant] the financial situation was bad," said Det Supt Mick Gradwell,
of Lancashire Police. "A lot of money was being spent on presents for Adam
as he was coming to the end of his life. They were spending a lot more than
they earned - at Caneze's will, not Mohammed's."
The pressures drove Mr Riaz to drink heavily. Sclerosis of the liver was
found after his death. On their last afternoon, Mr Riaz saw his wife being
dropped off after enjoying a meal with friends in Manchester, but police say
there was no suggestion she was involved in a relationship with anyone else.
Early on 1 November last year, Mr Riaz decided the pressures were too much.
As his wife and daughters slept in three upstairs bedrooms, he threw petrol
over them and trailed more around the house, then lit three fires.
Police believe his wife awoke and may have tried to throw one of the two
petrol cans he used away from her bed. But she died almost immediately. Mr
Riaz stood downstairs and waited for the flames to come down and engulf him.
When they didn't, he ran back upstairs through a wall of fire and was found
by firefighters in the bathroom. He died of 65 per cent burns and smoke
inhalation.
Barry Khanan, 38, Mrs Riaz's brother, said her alienation from Mr Riaz was a
result of "the different ways in which they approached their lives". He
said: "She had become frustrated with his lack of emotional support and
involvement throughout Adam's illness. Caneze was outgoing and wanted to
better herself. Her husband was more withdrawn. Words cannot express how we
feel about the man we believe killed our family."
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2290050.ece
TUKA
> Muslim husband who killed his wife and children because of their Western
> ways
>
> By Ian Herbert
> Published: 21 February 2007
>
> Mohammed Riaz made every conceivable attempt to prevent his wife and
> daughters enjoying their Westernised lifestyle. He destroyed their clothes -
> modest by Western standards but tight fitting by his own - when they came
> out of the wash and he railed against plans to allow alcohol at his
> terminally ill son's 18th birthday party - which had been brought forward
> because of his prognosis.
>
> Increasingly alienated and in despair over the illness of his son, Adam, the
> labourer killed his wife and four daughters by throwing petrol over them as
> they slept and igniting it.
Undoubtedly the Muslims will condemn this, *but* express understanding
how he was driven to it by the U.S. and Israel.
--
Few blame themselves until they have exhausted all other possibilities.
-- anonymous
Ariadne
It seems to have escaped notice in the British newsgroups.
Here is IRIS's comment on it:
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2250-UK-Muslim-Honor-Killing-Wife-Daughters-Burned-Alive.html
The Pragmatist
fabric of our DNA, Islam is still a shit-hole intellectual wasteland,
fixated on its
pseudo-religious babble, and fuelled by a totalitarian ideology which
ensures its eventual destruction from within.
Already, its main battle is within as it murders its own tribe daily...Islam
divides the world into Believers and Non-Believers.
Unfortunately for Islam, the Believers have been living in poverty and
ignorance for centuries.
Plug in "Islamic Science" in Google, and you
get................NOTHING.............Islam is going through its death
throes in front of our eyes.
"Mosquebuster" <mag...@rpetbomber.edu> wrote in message
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Arminius
"comadreja" <comad...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hmmm, well when you drink a whiskey, use a calculator,
If you're referring to the abacus, it pre-dates Islam.
> drink a cup of
> coffee, buy your significant other parfum or cologne, use words like
> "algebra", "Sheriff",
Sheriff is from Old English scírgeréfa - what evidence is there for Arab
derivation I wonder?
> Modern Medicine starts its
> course when the Crusaders coming back from their fight in Near East,
> decided to try out what they learn from their journeys, for example.
And that medicine ultimately derives from the learning of the Greeks.
8MilesHigh
> "comadreja" <comadrej...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:comadreja-t-E701...@news.giganews.com...
>
> > Hmmm, well when you drink a whiskey, use a calculator,
>
> If you're referring to the abacus, it pre-dates Islam.
>
> > drink a cup of
> > coffee, buy your significant other parfum or cologne, use words like
> > "algebra", "Sheriff",
>
> Sheriff is from Old English scírgeréfa - what evidence is there for Arab
> derivation I wonder?
Lots. Linguistics is complicated and fraught with arguement. Try
questioning the similarity between Obrigato (Port.) and Origato
(Jap.) on a group of linguists. You will reap the whirlwind.
I've heard the the Arab theory for sheriff from many sources,
personally. At least the modern pronouciation is closer to Spanish
Arabic than Old English. And "California" is definately of Spanish/
Arab extraction. <shrug> who knows?
>
> > Modern Medicine starts its
> > course when the Crusaders coming back from their fight in Near East,
> > decided to try out what they learn from their journeys, for example.
>
> And that medicine ultimately derives from the learning of the Greeks.
The Arabs and Persians could see the benefit of Greek knowledge (and
improve on it) while we Westerners were burning witches as the source
of the Black Plague, throwing our shit in the public streets, and
trusting astrology over astronomy.
bel
8MilesHigh
> As the west explores the universe, goes to the stars, unravels the very
> fabric of our DNA, Islam is still a shit-hole intellectual wasteland,
> fixated on its
> pseudo-religious babble, and fuelled by a totalitarian ideology which
> ensures its eventual destruction from within.
This US would be violently turned into an intellectual wasteland by
our Christians if we give them half a chance. You really think that
Christians haven't used their idiot ideology to beat knowledge and
freedom out of people, putting them under the yolk of ignorance and
fear, for millenia?
Study the writings of Jefferson and Paine. They got it right the
first time.
The problem isn't Islam. It's religion.
>
> Already, its main battle is within as it murders its own tribe daily...Islam
> divides the world into Believers and Non-Believers.
So does Christianity and the Mormons.
>
> Unfortunately for Islam, the Believers have been living in poverty and
> ignorance for centuries.
Yep. It's same ignorance and poverty that the Catholics and Baptists
depend on for survival.
>
> Plug in "Islamic Science" in Google, and you
> get................NOTHING.............Islam is going through its death
> throes in front of our eyes.
Right. Plug in Creation Science and you'll find another sick ideology
that's burgeoning rather than dying.
bel
Mosquebuster
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>
> Already, its main battle is within as it murders its own tribe
> daily...Islam divides the world into Believers and Non-Believers.
And further divides itself into subgroups of Shias, Sunnis, Sufis, and
Druzes, each further slaughtering one another over Koranic
interpretations ---
Mosquebuster
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> In article <c9lGh.1219378$R63.1098298@pd7urf1no>,
> "The Pragmatist" <pragm...@fcornescu.ru> wrote:
>
>> As the west explores the universe, goes to the stars, unravels the very
>> fabric of our DNA, Islam is still a shit-hole intellectual wasteland,
>> fixated on its
>> pseudo-religious babble, and fuelled by a totalitarian ideology which
>> ensures its eventual destruction from within.
>
> coffee, buy your significant other parfum or cologne, use words like
> Islamic Culture. All the things above just come from Arabic culture
> when they were the gatekeepers of science and civilization while Europe
> was in a muddle after the fall of the Roman Empire with no central
> cohesion. (Distilled alcohol was created by the Arabs, "California" is a
> derivative of "Caliph" as is "Sheriff") Modern Medicine starts its
> course when the Crusaders coming back from their fight in Near East,
> decided to try out what they learn from their journeys, for example.
>
> as their own. Much like the Arabs were heavily influence by the Greeks
> and of the library they took over in Alexandria. The people who
> actually understood the night sky and were using Greek star charts for
> study and navigation was the Islamic World, while Europe was rather
> clueless and in the dark of what was going on.
Yup, the Arab world was at the forefront of science until its best and
brightest hit the impenetrable Koranic wall.
It's interesting that Islamic progress in math and science stopped dead in
its tracks when Ulug Beq of Samarkand, the *Galileo of Islam,* dared to
state that the Koranic version of the universe was all wrong. The mullahs
had him murdered and it's been downhill for the Muslim world ever since.
In the West science and religion went their separate paths during the
Reformation and the rest is history. All other fundamentalist civilizations
were left in the dust. Just think, even after all these centuries, the
Islamic world has yet to experience a Renaissance, a Reformation, or an Age
of Enlightenment. Were it not for real you'd think it was a figment of some
hack screenwriter's imagination
Ignoring their conquests and mass slaughters, Muslims are forever pointing
out all the wars and atrocities attributable to Christians. The silver
lining to that cloud is everything you see around you. Essentially it's
called the *Triumph of the West*. Hindus didn't land on the moon. Taoists
didn't invent the internal-combustion engine. Robert Goddard and Werner Von
Braun didn't grow up as Zoroastrians. Eli Whitney was no Sikh. And
Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, and Henry Ford
sure as hell didn't bow toward Mecca five times a day.
When Martin Luther hammered his 100 theses on that church door he had no
idea that he'd change the world forever, because once his name and face
appeared in print all over Europe thanks to Johnannes Gutenberg, everyone
who was sick and tired and fed up with kowtowing to the Pope finally said,
*ENOUGH,* and so began the Reformation. Science and religion went their
separate ways. Every other fundamentalist civilization was left behind as
Europe charged ahead, and to this day the only societies that matter are the
one which are SECULAR. True, religion still exists, but it's interesting to
note that a nation's technological advancement is in inverse proportion to
how religiously fundamentalist its population is.
Just think, had the Pope done away with Galileo and his fellow men of
science, we in the West would also have been forever stuck in a medieval
time warp. 500 years on we might just now be inventing the steam engine ---
Arminius
> When Martin Luther hammered his 100 theses on that church door he had no
> idea that he'd change the world forever, because once his name and face
> appeared in print all over Europe thanks to Johnannes Gutenberg, everyone
> who was sick and tired and fed up with kowtowing to the Pope finally said,
> *ENOUGH,* and so began the Reformation. Science and religion went their
> separate ways. Every other fundamentalist civilization was left behind as
> Europe charged ahead, and to this day the only societies that matter are
> the
> one which are SECULAR. True, religion still exists, but it's interesting
> to
> note that a nation's technological advancement is in inverse proportion to
> how religiously fundamentalist its population is.
Or ones which were PAGAN, a.k.a. the Greeks, earlier Romans, Hindus,
Mezo-American cultures, Mesopotanians, Babylonians, Carthaginians. Plus the
ancient Chinese, who were non-theist. And the Persians, whose faith was
Zoroastrianism but who nonetheless were not followers of Abrahamic faiths.
In fact, one could say the nasty, violent Abrahamic religions of the Middle
East have a lot to do with the slower rate of technical and intellectual
progress between approx the fall of Rome and the Renaissance.
Most of the great men of the so-called Islamic "golden age" have Islam to
thank for their work about as much as Galileo or Newton have Christianity to
thank for theirs.
The Pragmatist
is harking back to centuries ago...
They would have us believe that somehow we westerners "owe" them for the
extraordinary knowledge the west has advanced.
We don't...much of what is purported to have even originated in the Islamic
world came from India.
Moreover, Islamic--a totalitarian ideology with extreme intellectual
repression, has ZERO hope to innovate much of use to our world.
Islamic regimes can't even pump out their oil or refine it without western
technology.
"comadreja" <comad...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In article <c9lGh.1219378$R63.1098298@pd7urf1no>,
> "The Pragmatist" <pragm...@fcornescu.ru> wrote:
>
>> As the west explores the universe, goes to the stars, unravels the very
>> fabric of our DNA, Islam is still a shit-hole intellectual wasteland,
>> fixated on its
>> pseudo-religious babble, and fuelled by a totalitarian ideology which
>> ensures its eventual destruction from within.
>
8MilesHigh
> "The Pragmatist" <pragmat...@fcornescu.ru> wrote in message
And your problem with this is?
Religion is fundamentally a construct for war.
bel
TUKA
On 2007-03-03, comadreja <comad...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <c9lGh.1219378$R63.1098298@pd7urf1no>,
> "The Pragmatist" <pragm...@fcornescu.ru> wrote:
>
>> fabric of our DNA, Islam is still a shit-hole intellectual wasteland,
>> fixated on its
>> pseudo-religious babble, and fuelled by a totalitarian ideology which
>> ensures its eventual destruction from within.
>
> coffee, buy your significant other parfum or cologne, use words like
> "algebra", "Sheriff","California", "admiral", "alcohol" then thank
> Islamic Culture. All the things above just come from Arabic culture
> when they were the gatekeepers of science and civilization while Europe
> was in a muddle after the fall of the Roman Empire with no central
> cohesion. (Distilled alcohol was created by the Arabs, "California" is a
> derivative of "Caliph" as is "Sheriff") Modern Medicine starts its
> course when the Crusaders coming back from their fight in Near East,
> decided to try out what they learn from their journeys, for example.
>
> Cultures will continue to trade ideas and science, and proclaim them
> as their own. Much like the Arabs were heavily influence by the Greeks
> and of the library they took over in Alexandria. The people who
> actually understood the night sky and were using Greek star charts for
> study and navigation was the Islamic World, while Europe was rather
> clueless and in the dark of what was going on.
Well, thanks for the history class.
Now how come the Muslims haven't developed a fucking thing for a
thousand years?
--
I don't want to get to the end of my life and find I have just
lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as
well. -- Diane Ackerman
Mosquebuster
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As long as the asslifters kill each other, I have no problem with it at all.
Were it not for the oil we could sit back and watch it as low-grade
entertainment, like the Hutus and Tutsis doing the hack-and-chop peepee
dance ---
Mosquebuster
>The Arabs and Persians could see the benefit of Greek knowledge (and
>improve on it) while we Westerners were burning witches as the source of
>the Black Plague, throwing our shit in the public streets, and trusting
>astrology over astronomy.
A thousand years later the asslifters cannot see the benefit of Western
knowledge (let alone improve on it), and we Westerners just shake our heads
as they blame Israel and the *Great Satan* as the source of all their woes,
slaughter each other en masse with kamikaze car bombs, and believe every jot
and tittle that comes from a mullah's mouth as he issues death fatwahs ---
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
*Democracy is a Greek word meaning the rule of the people, which means that
the people do what they see fit. This concept is considered apostasy and
defies the belief in one God - Muslims' doctrine* -- Mullah Ansar al-Sunnah
Nusrat Rizvi
wrote:
I know of no one who has had problems with Jews, Catholics, Hindus,
Buddhists or whatever. I know of no one who has ever lives in peace
with the Muslims.
Are you sure religion is the problem and not specifically Islam?
Nusrat Rizvi
<comad...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In article <a9bmu216o95tio3nm...@4ax.com>,
> Nusrat Rizvi <rizv...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >On Mar 3, 5:36 pm, "Mosquebuster" <magi...@rpetbomber.edu> wrote:
>> >> "The Pragmatist" <pragmat...@fcornescu.ru> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> news:c9lGh.1219378$R63.1098298@pd7urf1no...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Already, its main battle is within as it murders its own tribe
>> >> > daily...Islam divides the world into Believers and Non-Believers.
>> >>
>> >> And further divides itself into subgroups of Shias, Sunnis, Sufis, and
>> >> Druzes, each further slaughtering one another over Koranic
>> >> interpretations ---
>> >
>> >
>> >And your problem with this is?
>> >Religion is fundamentally a construct for war.
>> >bel
>>
>> I know of no one who has had problems with Jews,
>
>Hmm look up the history of Russia, and the word "pogram".. The Spanish
>Inquisition wasn't known for its tolerance of other religions.
You are saying Jews invited pogroms on themselves by misbehaving or
Spanish Inquisition for same reasons?
>> Catholics,
>
> Look up what a certain Oliver Cromwell ordered in Ireland, before that,
>there was this war in Europe called the 30 Year War.
Sectarian war ceased in Europe centuries ago. Germany, France,
Belgian, Switzerland are a few examples where no one cared about other
persons faith and everyone lived in peace with each others.
>>Hindus,
>
>British Colonialism wasn't exactly friendly or supportive to Hindu
>interests.
True enough but did Hindus then take their revenge on remaining
British population, of course not.
>> Buddhists,
>
>Got me on that one, but I don't know enough about Buddhists conflicts,
>besides the Chinese trying to wipe out Tibetian Buddhism.
>
>> or whatever. I know of no one who has ever lives in peace
>> with the Muslims.
>> Are you sure religion is the problem and not specifically Islam?
>
> There are five or six million muslims in the US, Many Muslims
>countries were quite tolerant and peaceful for centuries, look at the
>many years Sephardic Jews were living in Morocco, and in Iran.
>Fundamentalists Islam will destroy itself, much like Fundamentalist
>Christianity or other radical views of religion because they cannot
>maintain their idealogy in reality, what they become is hypocritical in
>order to maintain power and dominance. Iran is a prime example.
Are you saying US Muslims reported to US authorities meeting and plans
of their fellow Muslims terrorists to prevent harm to innocents. Hope
you have few examples of such incidents?