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Kendall K. Down

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Jul 29, 2022, 1:29:42 AM7/29/22

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I feel vindicated over the concerns I have expressed (and with which a
number of posters have agreed) by the announcement that the Tavistock
Clinic is to close. That is obviously a Good Thing.

What does concern me, however, is that the fanatics who ran the clinic
will now simply move into the general NHS, taking their ideology with
them, so instead of being concentrated in one place where it could be
(though wasn't) controlled, it will now permeate the whole of the health
service and the evil will spread.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

Kendall K. Down

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Jul 29, 2022, 2:09:43 AM7/29/22

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On 29/07/2022 06:26, Kendall K. Down wrote:
> I feel vindicated over the concerns I have expressed (and with which a
> number of posters have agreed) by the announcement that the Tavistock
> Clinic is to close. That is obviously a Good Thing.

Just as an additional note, the person posting as John demanded that I
support my statement that long-term harm was caused by attempts to
change gender. He might be interested in this:

"In Sweden, a pioneer in child transgender treatments before it
recanted, the dangers of these drugs are clear. A teenager called Leo,
who received puberty blockers as an 11-year-old at the Karolinska
University Hospital’s child gender identity service, has suffered
catastrophic injuries as a result of them, along with 12 other children.

"Their ailments include liver damage, unexplained weight gains of up to
two stone, mental health problems and, in Leo’s case, weakened bones
seen in people of 70, and a failure to grow as tall as he should."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11059641/Courage-parents-patients-whistleblowers-revealed-Tavistock-childrens-clinic-SHUT.html

John

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Jul 29, 2022, 7:09:43 PM7/29/22

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Which is why I said in my postings that I didn't believe children just
be treated for gender dysphoria. It may well be a fad, a passing phase,
or peer pressure from activists. Better to assist the serious minded
child with counselling, with more indepth counselling when they reach
adulthood, until the doctors are satisfied that the patient is prepared
for the changes ahead should gender reasignment take place.

The Daily Mail says "Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss, who are vying to be the
next Prime Minister, last night vowed to crack down their use in
children, hinting that they could be outright banned for under-18s"

It might surprise you but I am 100% behind that.

But it isn't the norm, as much as you try to portray it is.

The two main churches in this country have had more than their fair
share of child abuse cases. Should Christianity be banned because of
this horrific child abuse? Of course not, you don't chuck the baby out
with the bathwater.

The poster posting as John is called John. Strange that you should
phrase it like you did.

John

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Jul 29, 2022, 7:19:42 PM7/29/22

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On 29/07/2022 06:26, Kendall K. Down wrote:

Absolute hogwash. What do you think going to happen Ken? In future
years most people changing their gender because these fanatics have
somehow managed to permeate the whole of the NHS. It's a teensy weensy
tiny proportion of people who suffer gender dysphoria, about 0.7% of the
population.

Kendall K. Down

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Jul 30, 2022, 12:49:43 AM7/30/22

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On 30/07/2022 00:13, John wrote:

> Absolute hogwash. What do you think going to happen Ken? In future
> years most people changing their gender because these fanatics have
> somehow managed to permeate the whole of the NHS. It's a teensy weensy
> tiny proportion of people who suffer gender dysphoria, about 0.7% of the
> population.

According to a figure I read yesterday, back in the early 2000s there
were about 250 people a year claiming gender dysphoria. Last year it was
something like 2,500. All of a sudden there is a ten-fold increase in
people who are genuinely confused about their gender? Pull the other one.

As for permeating the NHS, that is exactly what is going to happen. The
same announcement which heralded the closure of Tavistock mentioned, in
the small print, that there would now be "regional centres", as opposed
to one central clinic, carrying on the same work.

Kendall K. Down

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Jul 30, 2022, 12:49:43 AM7/30/22

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On 30/07/2022 00:07, John wrote:

> It might surprise you but I am 100% behind that.

I am delighted to hear it.

> The two main churches in this country have had more than their fair
> share of child abuse cases. Should Christianity be banned because of
> this horrific child abuse? Of course not, you don't chuck the baby out
> with the bathwater.

Child abuse is not intrinsic to Christianity, whereas it is to gender
change.

> The poster posting as John is called John. Strange that you should
> phrase it like you did.

Thank you for the clarification. We have, before now, had people posting
under names other than their own.

Timreason

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Jul 30, 2022, 4:49:43 AM7/30/22

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On 30/07/2022 00:07, John wrote:

> On 29/07/2022 07:01, Kendall K. Down wrote:
>> On 29/07/2022 06:26, Kendall K. Down wrote:
>>> I feel vindicated over the concerns I have expressed (and with which
>>> a number of posters have agreed) by the announcement that the
>>> Tavistock Clinic is to close. That is obviously a Good Thing.
>>
>> Just as an additional note, the person posting as John demanded that I
>> support my statement that long-term harm was caused by attempts to
>> change gender. He might be interested in this:
>>
>> "In Sweden, a pioneer in child transgender treatments before it
>> recanted, the dangers of these drugs are clear. A teenager called Leo,
>> who received puberty blockers as an 11-year-old at the Karolinska
>> University Hospital’s child gender identity service, has suffered
>> catastrophic injuries as a result of them, along with 12 other children.
>>
>> "Their ailments include liver damage, unexplained weight gains of up
>> to two stone, mental health problems and, in Leo’s case, weakened
>> bones seen in people of 70, and a failure to grow as tall as he should."
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11059641/Courage-parents-patients-whistleblowers-revealed-Tavistock-childrens-clinic-SHUT.html
>
>
> Which is why I said in my postings that I didn't believe children just
> be treated for gender dysphoria.

Interestingly, I don't think anyone posting on this NG is in favour of
'transition' surgery being carried out on children.

Maybe I'm wrong?

Tim.

Kendall K. Down

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Jul 31, 2022, 1:49:43 AM7/31/22

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On 30/07/2022 09:45, Timreason wrote:

> Interestingly, I don't think anyone posting on this NG is in favour of
> 'transition' surgery being carried out on children.

Well of course not. Bring little children or fluffy bunnies into the
discussion and *of course* we are all against it. However, as we have
seen, once you start this "transitioning" nonsense, you are on a
slippery slope and Stonewall starts urging that children as young as 2
can make such decisions. (Of course, on the principle of little children
and fluffy bunnies, Stonewall hastily "clarified" their post, but
probably in their heart of hearts they really think that two-year olds
can be castrated if they show a fleeting preference for dolls over cars.)