Sunday Morning
Paul Hardy
that I would take some coffee and fresh croissants to a sunny spot in
the garden and improve the life of the mind with a good book.
However, I was to be denied these simple pleasures by your jealous and
vindictive god. When I got to Sainsburys to buy my croissants, I
found myself in a crowd of about 500 angry people who had, like me,
forgotten that our local store has changed its opening hours to 11am -
5pm from the old 10am - 4pm.
Our Sunday trading laws are a preoposterous anachronism. All those
wasted hours of sunshine! The manager (and presumably Yahweh) looking
at their watches, waiting for 11am so that a riddiculous Jewish custom
should be violated only as far as the law allows.
I don't suppose you care that much, since you will have been sitting
in some dreary church worshipping the old fraud. But *nobody* else in
this country observes your stupid Sabbeth (which should probably be on
Saturday anyway). So why not leave us alone?
Paul
Peter R
<snip>
>I don't suppose you care that much, since you will have been sitting
>in some dreary church worshipping the old fraud. But *nobody* else in
>this country observes your stupid Sabbeth (which should probably be on
>Saturday anyway). So why not leave us alone?
>
>Paul
LOL....that little outburst make you feel better then? :-)
Peter R
Fergus
wrote:
[snip]
I didn't realise that blasphemy was allowed on this ng.
--
Fergus
Nick
He will feel better when he has had a croissant
Nick
(or maybe God is actually telling him to lay off the croissants for a
while and get some exercise)
Pam Seeker
> since you will have been sitting
> in some dreary church worshipping the old fraud. But *nobody* else in
> this country observes your stupid Sabbeth (which should probably be on
> Saturday anyway). So why not leave us alone?
Hope that illogical rant made you feel better.
Andy McMullon
ukfree...@yahoo.com (Paul Hardy) expounded:
Lots of intolerant and irrational freethinking going on here then -
and masquarading as an old fashioned troll!
Richard Emblem
ukfree...@yahoo.com (Paul Hardy) writes:
<snip>. So why not leave us alone?
Sorry to hear of your disappointment. I thought that the Sunday Trading laws
had been ditched a few years ago, are you sure it wasn't a Sainsbury's
commercial decision to change the hours since most non-churchgoers sleep in and
dont (normally) want to shop at 10am? I hope you eventually enjoyed the sunny
garden?
PS. I enjoyed my garden and will be in church this evening.
--
Richard Emblem
How good and pleasant it is
when God's people live in unity.
(Psalm 133:1)
_______________________
Mitch B
Then you are on the wrong news group.
Who are *you* to decide what is (or is not) blasphemy ?
--
Mitch
Fergus
wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:47:10 +0100, Fergus enlightened us all with:
>
>>On 1 Sep 2002 02:25:56 -0700, ukfree...@yahoo.com (Paul Hardy)
>>wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>I didn't realise that blasphemy was allowed on this ng.
>
>Then you are on the wrong news group.
so it would seem.
--
Fergus
Gareth McCaughan
> It's a beautiful autumnal morning here and when I got up I thought
> that I would take some coffee and fresh croissants to a sunny spot in
> the garden and improve the life of the mind with a good book.
>
> However, I was to be denied these simple pleasures by your jealous and
> vindictive god. When I got to Sainsburys to buy my croissants, I
> found myself in a crowd of about 500 angry people who had, like me,
> forgotten that our local store has changed its opening hours to 11am -
> 5pm from the old 10am - 4pm.
My god is not responsible for the British government's peculiar
legislation. I have no objection at all to Sunday trading.
Still less is my god responsible for your supermarket manager's
decision to change his or her store's Sunday opening ours.
> Our Sunday trading laws are a preoposterous anachronism. All those
> wasted hours of sunshine!
I don't understand. Which wasted hours? Are you saying that a
sunny day is wasted if you aren't shopping on it? Surely not.
> The manager (and presumably Yahweh) looking
> at their watches, waiting for 11am so that a riddiculous Jewish custom
> should be violated only as far as the law allows.
>
> I don't suppose you care that much, since you will have been sitting
> in some dreary church worshipping the old fraud. But *nobody* else in
> this country observes your stupid Sabbeth (which should probably be on
> Saturday anyway). So why not leave us alone?
I would be very happy to. The Sunday trading laws are silly.
--
Gareth McCaughan Gareth.M...@pobox.com
.sig under construc
Peter Ould
Because it's your Sabbath as much as it's ours (God gave it to you as well
as me).
Having said that, the whole point of making Sunday special misses the point
that we live permanently in the Sabbath as Christians. Sabbath is no longer
a time of the week, it's a state of heart.
--
Peter Ould
http://www.peter-ould.net
http://pould.livejournal.com
"A God who can't suffer is poorer than any human.
He cannot weep, for he has no tears.
The one who cannot suffer cannot love."
Watchman Nee
Debbie
Try reading the charter, then.
--
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Urban Theology Unit, Sheffield
Views expressed in this email are my own and are not
necessarily those of the University of Sheffield or UTU.
Fergus
<deb...@removethiscybertheology.org.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:47:10 +0100, Fergus
><Fer...@CapeWrath.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 1 Sep 2002 02:25:56 -0700, ukfree...@yahoo.com (Paul Hardy)
>>wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>I didn't realise that blasphemy was allowed on this ng.
>
>Try reading the charter, then.
As far as I can see blasphemy isn't specifically mentioned in the
charter. Personal abuse/flames are considered off topic but presumably
that applies only to other posters, not to God.
I'm used to having my Christian faith attacked and ridiculed on other
newsgroups and, having just had that happen, I thought I'd read this
group as a place where Christianity was, I thought, supported. I was
more than a little surprised and discouraged to see the faith slagged
off here as well. With the tacit approval of several other posters, to
boot.
As Mitch succinctly put it, I have obviously come to the wrong
newsgroup. My mistake.
--
Fergus
Zayton
news:ers4nu49gvbtceg6f...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:47:10 +0100, Fergus
> <Fer...@CapeWrath.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 1 Sep 2002 02:25:56 -0700, ukfree...@yahoo.com (Paul Hardy)
> >wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >I didn't realise that blasphemy was allowed on this ng.
>
> Try reading the charter, then.
>
in his day.
Joe
David Anderson
> It's a beautiful autumnal morning here and when I got up I thought
> that I would take some coffee and fresh croissants to a sunny spot in
> the garden and improve the life of the mind with a good book.
>
> However, I was to be denied these simple pleasures by your jealous and
> vindictive god. When I got to Sainsburys to buy my croissants, I
> found myself in a crowd of about 500 angry people who had, like me,
> forgotten that our local store has changed its opening hours to 11am -
> 5pm from the old 10am - 4pm.
> Our Sunday trading laws are a preoposterous anachronism. All those
> wasted hours of sunshine! The manager (and presumably Yahweh) looking
> at their watches, waiting for 11am so that a riddiculous Jewish custom
> should be violated only as far as the law allows.
You only mention the manager, but I can tell that it's the situation of the
employees that's really bothering you. I mean those poor employees - they
were forced by our jealous and vindictive God to spend an extra hour having
a lie-in. Or perhaps they'd sorted themselves out and bought croissants on
Saturday, and they were being forced by our jealous and vindictive God to
eat those croissants in the sunshine. I am so glad that you're standing up
for their right to spend the sunshine in an artificially lit Sainsbury's
store providing you with croissants. I mean it's not as if the workers in
Sainsbury's would like to take the weekend off. But if you really wanted to
protest against these anachronistic jewish laws, you could spend your
Sundays working. Don't let our jealous and vindictive God force you to take
your day off - don't let him force you to enjoy the sunshine. Strike a blow
for secularism - work seven days a week.
David Anderson
Debbie
<Fer...@CapeWrath.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>As far as I can see blasphemy isn't specifically mentioned in the
>charter. Personal abuse/flames are considered off topic but presumably
>that applies only to other posters, not to God.
Got it in one.
>I'm used to having my Christian faith attacked and ridiculed on other
>newsgroups and, having just had that happen, I thought I'd read this
>group as a place where Christianity was, I thought, supported. I was
>more than a little surprised and discouraged to see the faith slagged
>off here as well. With the tacit approval of several other posters, to
>boot.
I think you misunderstand the purpose of this group.
It is a *discussion* group *about* Christianity in the uk, and for
general discussion among uk christians. "About" Christianity, may be
for or against, orthodox or heterodox, positive or negative. It's
not a *Christian* group in the sense that it has no doctrinal basis,
no orthodoxy and is open to people of all faiths and none.
Although most posters consider themselves to be Christian (and we
accept that those who call themselves Christian are, for the purposes
of this group), we have a number of atheists, a pagan, a satanist, a
couple of bahais and the odd post from members of other faiths.
There are also around 20 different Christian denominations represented
(or there were when I did my count a couple of years ago).
I think you'll generally find people here who will disagree with you
politely. You'll probably find some people who agree with you. But
what you won't find is bland agreement on a set of doctrines of your
choosing.
>As Mitch succinctly put it, I have obviously come to the wrong
>newsgroup. My mistake.
If you want something that has a strong doctrinal position, try the
christnet.* groups, which are moderated both for tone and for
doctrinal content.
Andrew McFarland
<Fer...@CapeWrath.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
<snip/>
>I'm used to having my Christian faith attacked and ridiculed on other
>newsgroups and, having just had that happen, I thought I'd read this
>group as a place where Christianity was, I thought, supported.
<snip/>
Christianity is supported on this group. It is also discussed, in all
its forms and flavours.
You could have part of the charter that forbade blasphemy, but then
you would have to define blasphemy, which is not that easy to do in a
way that would also allow frank discussion about, say, the Trinity.
Andrew
Ken Down
ukfree...@yahoo.com (Paul Hardy) wrote:
> It's a beautiful autumnal morning here and when I got up I thought
> that I would take some coffee and fresh croissants to a sunny spot in
> the garden and improve the life of the mind with a good book.
Well, try improving your mind by planning ahead and buying your croissants
on Saturday (you can get ready-to-bake ones, you know).
> Our Sunday trading laws are a preoposterous anachronism. All those
> wasted hours of sunshine!
Sorry? I regard spending hours of sunshine cooped up in a supermarket as a
waste of time. Much better to spend them out rambling on the hills - a
practice which is not restricted by Sunday trading laws and at the same time
gives you an appreciation for the greatness of the God who set aside the
Sabbath as a day in which to remember creation.
(And you are right, by the way. We should be keeping Saturday.)
God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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Phil
> It's a beautiful autumnal morning here and when I got up I thought
> that I would take some coffee and fresh croissants to a sunny spot
in
> the garden and improve the life of the mind with a good book.
Good idea.
> However, I was to be denied these simple pleasures by your jealous
and
> vindictive god. When I got to Sainsburys to buy my croissants, I
> found myself in a crowd of about 500 angry people who had, like me,
> forgotten that our local store has changed its opening hours to
11am -
> 5pm from the old 10am - 4pm.
Ah so God caused you all to forget. A mighty God indeed.
> Our Sunday trading laws are a preoposterous anachronism. All those
> wasted hours of sunshine! The manager (and presumably Yahweh)
looking
> at their watches, waiting for 11am so that a riddiculous Jewish
custom
> should be violated only as far as the law allows.
Sunday trading laws were not introduced by God. God has never, at any
point, restricted trading on Sundays. No Jewish customs were
maintained by you forgetting or waiting.
> I don't suppose you care that much, since you will have been sitting
> in some dreary church worshipping the old fraud. But *nobody* else
in
> this country observes your stupid Sabbeth (which should probably be
on
> Saturday anyway). So why not leave us alone?
Unless you believe that God did indeed remove your capacity to
remember then surely it is all your fault that you had to wait.
Phil
Paul Hardy
Blasphemy is not allowed on the ng. It is illegal in the UK.
I could rant all day about that as well if you like :-)
But go ahead and call the police.
Paul
Paul Hardy
Yes, it did a bit thanks. :-)
Paul
Michael J Davis
Anderson <dand...@pleasenospam.fish.co.uk> writes
LOL!!
Well said, David! I like the logic. Sadly absent from Paul's posting, I
notice; pity you don't get logical atheism any more. :-(
Mike
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Steven Carr
> However, I was to be denied these simple pleasures by your jealous and
> vindictive god. When I got to Sainsburys to buy my croissants, I
> found myself in a crowd of about 500 angry people who had, like me,
> forgotten that our local store has changed its opening hours to 11am -
> 5pm from the old 10am - 4pm.
I think Sainsbury's should be forced to open on Easter Sunday , so
that atheists can buy all the hot cross buns that they can eat. Why
should atheists be disbarred from eating hot cross buns just because
it is a Sunday?
That reminds me, there is a very interesting 'Surrealism' exhibition
just opened in Düsseldorf - some nice Dali and Magritte paintings
there.
I still think it is a bit much to blame Yahweh because Sainsbury
forgot to put up a few signs telling people they had changed their
opening hours. After all, when you are Lord of the Universe, your 'To
Do' list gets quite full, and you rely on delegating some of the
smaller stuff....
Pam Seeker
> I still think it is a bit much to blame Yahweh because Sainsbury
> forgot to put up a few signs telling people they had changed their
> opening hours. After all, when you are Lord of the Universe, your 'To
> Do' list gets quite full, and you rely on delegating some of the
> smaller stuff....
Steven:
Reminds me of the "Spitting Image" sketch that was done on the subject of
Sunday opening. God - Old man, grey beard, white robe, what else? - Happily
bopping around Homebase on a Sunday saying "Oh, I do so enjoy Sunday
opening! And since I'm God, I know where to find everything!"
Cheers,
Pam
Tweetie Pooh
Sep 2002 09:25:56a with news:e3bcf730.02090...@posting.google.com:
<snip>
>
> I don't suppose you care that much, since you will have been sitting
> in some dreary church worshipping the old fraud. But *nobody* else in
> this country observes your stupid Sabbeth (which should probably be on
> Saturday anyway). So why not leave us alone?
>
> Paul
Well firstly I was in a very lively family service praising a living God who
loves me.
Secondly, the laws are daft. I think that Sunday should be kept special.
One day of the week when (most) people can relax and not think about work.
What about those that live near these shops?
When I was growing up a large DIY trader wanted to open Sundays. The
residents near the store tried to block it and the council agreed. The store
then applied higher up and got its way. The residents now have traffic and
noise (incl tannoy stuff) seven days a week with no respite. What about
their right to sit in the garden on a sunny Sunday morning for a quiet
contemplate? That whole area is now a large trading estate with loads of 7
day a week, long hour retailers. Long traffic queues and even more noise.
Emma Pease
Anderson wrote:
> You only mention the manager, but I can tell that it's the situation of the
> employees that's really bothering you. I mean those poor employees - they
> were forced by our jealous and vindictive God to spend an extra hour having
> a lie-in. Or perhaps they'd sorted themselves out and bought croissants on
> Saturday, and they were being forced by our jealous and vindictive God to
> eat those croissants in the sunshine. I am so glad that you're standing up
> for their right to spend the sunshine in an artificially lit Sainsbury's
> store providing you with croissants. I mean it's not as if the workers in
> Sainsbury's would like to take the weekend off. But if you really wanted to
> protest against these anachronistic jewish laws, you could spend your
> Sundays working.
Well the Jewish law stated that Sunday was a working day; Saturday
from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset was the day off. Note that laws
that require Sunday closing or special schedules discriminate against
those who observe Saturday or another day since they then have to take
that day as well as Sunday while the Sunday observing Christians take
only one day off and have the law making sure that none of their
non-Sunday observing competition can be open.
Emma
> Don't let our jealous and vindictive God force you to take
> your day off - don't let him force you to enjoy the sunshine. Strike a blow
> for secularism - work seven days a week.
ps. Taking Monday or another weekday off seems like a nice
alternative. Shops are less crowded; parks are less crowded.
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Tony Bryer
> Note that laws
> that require Sunday closing or special schedules discriminate against
> those who observe Saturday or another day since they then have to take
> that day as well as Sunday while the Sunday observing Christians take
> only one day off and have the law making sure that none of their
> non-Sunday observing competition can be open.
IIRC before the current legal regime Jewish owned shops were free to
open on Sundays. In my childhood pre-Christmas excursions to the
Houndsditch Warehouse, one such place, in the City of London were a
annual treat.
--
Tony Bryer
Richard Emblem
writes:
>IIRC before the current legal regime Jewish owned shops were free to
>open on Sundays. In my childhood pre-Christmas excursions to the
>Houndsditch Warehouse, one such place, in the City of London were a
>annual treat.
>
Wow - that brings back memories - I sometimes used to go up there at lunchtime
in the late 1960's and early 1970's an amazing place!
Malcolm Jenner
news:VA.00001be...@sda.co.uk...
> IIRC before the current legal regime Jewish owned shops were free to
> open on Sundays. In my childhood pre-Christmas excursions to the
> Houndsditch Warehouse, one such place, in the City of London were a
> annual treat.
>
> --
> Tony Bryer
>
That was also subject to the rule that they had to be "Registered Jewish
Traders" and be closed on Saturdays. There was a similar arrangement for
Seventh Day Adventists.
In the distant past when I lived in Manchester and did occasional deputy
duty on a Sunday at the Greek Church there (actually it's in Salford),
getting back through the city centre afterwards was often a slow business
with all the shops open around Strangeways.
Archimandrite Kyril Jenner
David Anderson
> In article <3d7298ec$0$8510$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>, David
> Anderson wrote:
>
> > I mean it's not as if the workers in
> Note that laws
> that require Sunday closing or special schedules discriminate against
> those who observe Saturday or another day since they then have to take
> that day as well as Sunday while the Sunday observing Christians take
> only one day off and have the law making sure that none of their
> non-Sunday observing competition can be open.
That is a really big problem in a multi-cultural society, and I really don't
know what to do about it. The ideal solution would be to allow people who
want to take another day off to do so, but that runs into problems with
consistency within a particular organisation. I can't see any reason not to
say that Moslems and Jews should be able to open on Sunday if they're closed
on Friday or Saturday. Still, it's not ideal for them. It's also not clear
where that leaves people who don't have a commitment to a particular day of
rest.
There is already a problem in that anyone who is required to take any day
off runs the risk of discrimination[1]. I think the principles of pluralism
should entail that all such discrimination is wrong. (I get the impression
that most of those calling themselves 'secularists' would say that any such
discrimation is justified - the law shouldn't treat a religious commitment
any differently from a commitment based on personal laziness. Probably it
shouldn't be treated differently: in which case everyone should be entitled
to nominate one day on which they cannot be legally asked to do any work.)
However, I think most managers would be displeased if discrimination on
those grounds were disallowed. Society needs some sort of consistency to
function.
The other problem of course is that our society needs a large number of jobs
performed constantly. How that can be achieved without compromising
people's rights is difficult. The main problem though is that in general
all exceptions made will benefit the well-off rather than the less well-off.
David Anderson
[1] I found a couple of years ago that my chance of getting a part-time job
in a bookshop was greatly reduced by my commitment to not working on Sunday.
Still, I suppose principles aren't much good if we don't stand up for them.
In the end, I didn't need to get such a job.
Tony Gillam
news:3d77eea...@news.cable.ntlworld.com
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:07:15 +0100, "Malcolm Jenner"
> <M.S.J...@wlv.ac.uk> wrote:
>> That was also subject to the rule that they had to be "Registered
>> Jewish Traders" and be closed on Saturdays. There was a similar
>> arrangement for Seventh Day Adventists.
>
>
> Mind you if you think the current arrangements are silly you should
> try Germany. I think they've just relaxed it to the point where it's
> possible to live without shopping in your lunch breaks!
>
This would all seem very topical given the proposals by BA to fly into
Stornaway on a Sunday much to the chagrin of the local presbyterian
community.
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Genie
news:3d752d4c$0$1289$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
> "Emma Pease" <em...@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote
> > In article <3d7298ec$0$8510$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>, David
> > Anderson wrote:
> >
> > > I mean it's not as if the workers in
> > > Sainsbury's would like to take the weekend off. [and other sarcasm]
>
> > Note that laws
> > that require Sunday closing or special schedules discriminate against
> > those who observe Saturday or another day since they then have to take
> > that day as well as Sunday while the Sunday observing Christians take
> > only one day off and have the law making sure that none of their
> > non-Sunday observing competition can be open.
>
> That is a really big problem in a multi-cultural society, and I really
don't
> know what to do about it. The ideal solution would be to allow people who
> want to take another day off to do so, but that runs into problems with
> consistency within a particular organisation.
How about aboloshing all weekends altogether, and giving everyone 104 extra
days of paid holiday, which they can then take off as and when it suits
them. The Jews can then all book Saturday off, the Christians can all book
Sunday off, and the atheists can work 7 days a week for most of the year and
then disappear for an entire three months for the summer. People who don't
want/need a sabbath don't have to take one, and people who do can.
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Ken Down
dand...@pleasenospam.fish.co.uk ("David Anderson") wrote:
> I can't see any reason not to say that Moslems and Jews should be able to
> open on Sunday if they're closed on Friday or Saturday.
I remember many years ago chatting to someone in the Lord's Day Observance
Society shop in Fleet Street (that shows you just how many years ago it
was!) and asking about this. The person to whom I spoke agreed that Muslims
and Jews could open on Sunday because they kept another day.
"And what about Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-day Baptists and other
groups like them?" I asked.
"Oh, I don't know about that," the woman said. "They claim to be Christians.
I don't think they could be exempt from the law."
A curious example of legalism, I always thought.
David Anderson
> How about aboloshing all weekends altogether, and giving everyone 104
extra
> days of paid holiday, which they can then take off as and when it suits
> them.
It's a nice idea. I think there is value in having much of the country take
time off together - especially as it means that there's a particular time of
the week which isn't being consecrated to commerce and the free market - but
ultimately that may not be feasible given the exceptions that would have to
be made. There is also the practical question of how one wants to
distribute traffic jams and commuter trains across the week.
David Anderson
Ken Down
("Genie") wrote:
> How about aboloshing all weekends altogether, and giving everyone 104
> extra days of paid holiday, which they can then take off as and when it
> suits them.
It wouldn't work. Without the weekend to recharge your batteries, you would
swiftly get run down, your work would suffer and probably your mental and
physical health would as well.
God knew what He was doing when He gave us a seven-day week.
Steven Carr
> > How about aboloshing all weekends altogether, and giving everyone 104
> > extra days of paid holiday, which they can then take off as and when it
> > suits them.
> It wouldn't work. Without the weekend to recharge your batteries, you would
> swiftly get run down, your work would suffer and probably your mental and
> physical health would as well.
> God knew what He was doing when He gave us a seven-day week.
(But only one day off at the weekend, of course)
I can't find where God said anything about lunchbreaks.
So who knew what he was doing when he gave us lunchbreaks?
Ken Down
ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk (Steven Carr) wrote:
> (But only one day off at the weekend, of course)
Indeed - and clergy don't even get that.
> I can't find where God said anything about lunchbreaks.
> So who knew what he was doing when he gave us lunchbreaks?
How do you know that He gave them to us? Probably an invention of the devil.
Down with lunchbreaks! Repent, ye sinners (specially the overweight ones)!!
Janet Lees, Bob Warwicker, or Hannah
news:Ieid9.3311$571.294434@wards...
> How about aboloshing all weekends altogether, and giving everyone 104
extra
> days of paid holiday, which they can then take off as and when it suits
> them. The Jews can then all book Saturday off, the Christians can all book
> Sunday off, and the atheists can work 7 days a week for most of the year
and
> then disappear for an entire three months for the summer. People who don't
> want/need a sabbath don't have to take one, and people who do can.
>
I'm sceptical that there are people who don't want/need a sabbath. Many
people already work long hours and it's damaging them and I suspect family
and community life. Many are willing to sign away their right to a 48 hour
week. [sweeping generalisation coming] It's good to be free, but freedom is
a slippery idea when the market influences our decisions so powerfully. Are
you really free when you have to work all the overtime God sends in order to
(a) ingratiate yourself with the boss or (b) earn a living wage?
I hate to be a nanny, but there we are. I believe God made us all with the
need for rest, whether we believe it or not.
My fear is that any move to be more flexible about when we rest will end up
as a move to be more flexible about whether we rest or not. Some people will
fill their 3 month holidays on a second job so they can get by financially.
--
Bob Warwicker
Tony Gillam
wrote in message news:alepqb$b99$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk
<snip>
> rest, whether we believe it or not. My fear is that any move to be
> more flexible about when we rest will end up as a move to be more
> flexible about whether we rest or not. Some people will fill their 3
> month holidays on a second job so they can get by financially.
>
teachers (fx ducks)
Debbie
("Janet Lees, Bob Warwicker, or Hannah") wrote:
>I'm sceptical that there are people who don't want/need a sabbath. Many
>people already work long hours and it's damaging them and I suspect family
>and community life. <snip>
>Some people will
>fill their 3 month holidays on a second job so they can get by financially.
<g>
The same people who already do this with annual leave in odd weeks
here and there, I suspect. Giving them a three month chunk would
just make it easier.
But there is one thing that this really would help with, and that is
adult ed. If holiday came in three month blocks - or even two month
ones, if you allow for weekends and family holidays - further and
higher ed colleges could plan and organise two-month courses for
adults, which might be anything from basic skills to professional
qualifications. Weekly daytime courses depend on employers
supporting a student's learning (and many, many don't) and weekends
courses are difficult to run because colleges don't generally open at
weekends. Evening courses are a bummer because people are tired, and
generally don't do their best after a day's work
It would also give PhD students a run at their thesis :-)
Hello, Bob, and welcome, btw. Neil...where are the jellybabies?
(Neil's our jelly baby monitor)