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David Dalton

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Jul 30, 2022, 12:48:07 AMJul 30
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Do you know the exact biblical quote about
swords into ploughshares
and who said it and what book and verse it is in?

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Kendall K. Down

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Jul 30, 2022, 1:49:43 AMJul 30
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On 30/07/2022 01:48, David Dalton wrote:

> Do you know the exact biblical quote about
> swords into ploughshares
> and who said it and what book and verse it is in?

There is a perfectly adequate search facility at www.biblegateway.com
though, like me, you should choose the KJV version, as the words you
quote are from the King James Version. Very likely if you look up the
NIV it will have some abomination like "plowshares" which you won't be
expecting.

(Later)
Huh! It being an American website, even their KJV is corrupted and fails
to recognise "ploughshares", but uses "plowshares"!

However I searched for "beat swords" and came up with three results.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down




Mike Davis

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Jul 30, 2022, 5:19:41 AMJul 30
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But I see no reason for not sharing them...

Isa 2:4
Joel 3:10
Micah 4:3

Mike
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David Dalton

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Jul 30, 2022, 1:59:20 PMJul 30
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In article <jkkass...@mid.individual.net>,
Thanks, Mike and Kendall.

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David Dalton

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Jul 31, 2022, 1:31:27 AMJul 31
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In article <jkkass...@mid.individual.net>,
Mike Davis <mjd...@trustsof.co.uk> wrote:

Actually the Joel one is:

Joel 3:10
Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into
spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

which is the opposite of the other two, which say swords
into plowshares and spears into pruninghooks. The Joel
one seems to be encouraging underdog farmers to rise up,
whereas the other two are promoting widespread peace.

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Kendall K. Down

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Jul 31, 2022, 1:39:43 AMJul 31
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On 30/07/2022 10:10, Mike Davis wrote:

> But I see no reason for not sharing them...

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach him to fish and you feed him for life.

Kendall K. Down

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Jul 31, 2022, 1:49:43 AMJul 31
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On 31/07/2022 03:52, David Dalton wrote:

> which is the opposite of the other two, which say swords
> into plowshares and spears into pruninghooks. The Joel
> one seems to be encouraging underdog farmers to rise up,
> whereas the other two are promoting widespread peace.

No, Joel is not leading a social rebellion, indeed, none of the three
are encouraging people to any particular course of action.

All three are prophets, but Isaiah and Micah are speaking of the future
happy days when God's kingdom is established on earth and there will be
universal peace. Unfortunately, there are those who would resist God and
who will resort to war to that end and they are the ones about whom Joel
is speaking.

I trust that a moment's thought will persuade you that Joel is hardly
likely to be encouraging the wicked and the heathen to attack his own
nation, nor is he directing underdog farmers to darken the sun and moon
(not sure how they would go about doing that, mind you!) And, if he was
encouraging social rebellion, it is a funny sort of encouragement to say
that it will all end in tears when God "roars out of Zion" and shakes
the heavens and the earth. Sounds like discouragement to me!
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