Since you have quoted me a couple of times, and I'm aware of some of the
work carried out by Mother Theresa, I'll make some brief comments.
On 07/05/2022 04:23, Kendall K. Down wrote:
> Apparently there is a new television series on Mother Theresa, which is
> critical of certain aspects of her life and work. The Daily Mail has
> reviewed the series and I quote from that review.
Well, first of all the Mail will only quote the sensational parts, won't
they?
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> The series shows there were issues from the start British doctor Jack
> Preger worked with her charity, and was shocked by what he saw. 'The
> nuns weren't delivering proper care,' he says. 'Needles were used over
> and over unsterilised. One woman with burns was refused painkillers – I
> smuggled some in for her. They had the money to run a decent hospital
> for poor people, but they never did. They said, 'We will pray for the
> alleviation of pain without providing treatment.'
I'm amazed by some of those comments, but it's not clear when - over the
long period she ran the mission - these things happened.
> Pain was not just a by-product of her work, but an integral part of it.
> Nuns were instructed to whip themselves and wear wire chains with spikes
> on.
I really don't think that's true for the community as a whole. In
general terms the nuns (and I've met some of them) worked hard and
certainly suffered much deprivation in serving the poor and needy in
different ways.
> Mary Johnson, who worked with Mother Teresa for 20 years, says, 'Her
> spirituality was connected to Jesus on the cross. He gave his life in
> pain and she believed that to give of oneself with suffering was the
> greatest value. The idea was that suffering redeemed the world.'
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> I don't know what conclusion the series reaches, but I hope they will
> take into account the bizarre and even evil Catholic theology of pain.
> Mike has attempted to defend it, but there can be no defence for such
> things as whipping oneself, wearing the cilice (the spiked chain) or,
> worse of all, denying pain relief to someone suffering from burns.
I would emphasise the massive difference between accepting deprivation
oneself and imposing it upon another person.
>
> Quite apart from the ridiculous idea that God is pleased when we suffer,
> we now know that pain is damaging to the body and hinders healing.
>
> Mike got quite sniffy about my comparison with hitting oneself with a
> hammer - but is that all that different from hitting oneself with a whip?
Look - you cannot object to the practise of fasting - of depriving
oneself, of something one desires (or even needs) for a shorter or
longer time and to offer the time and discomfort to God. Jesus is quite
clear (I think!) (Matt 6:16-18):-
“When you fast, do not look sombre as the hypocrites do, for they
disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you,
they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on
your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to others
that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your
Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
If you could accept that, we could move on to other ways in which we
offer discomfort - even pain - to God.
(NB Read Arthur Wallis' "God's Chosen Fast" - a good Protestant
exposition of the Scriptural practise of fasting.)
> Some years ago an earnest Christian of my acquaintance showed me a
> booklet by a woman who had been delivered from witchcraft. In horror my
> friend pointed to a section in the account where the woman described her
> "initiation", during which the man who was "initiating" her removed her
> clothes, tied her hands behind her back, blindfolded her and abandoned
> her in the woods where she had to find her way back to a tent he had
> pitched. When she succeeded, they had wild and passionate sex (which, I
> think, added to the offence in my friend's eyes).
> That wasn't witchcraft or initiation. That was sado-masochistic foreplay
> under the guise of witchcraft.
You're a bit *obsessed* with this, aren't you, if you think that has
anything to do with the topic?!!!
> The sculptor Bernini famously created a piece "The Ecstasy of St
> Theresa" - look it up on the internet. The lady in question used to
> insist that her sins were terrible (she lived in a cloistered nunnery)
> and could only be atoned for if she was stripped in front of the
> assembled nuns, her hands tied behind her back and then she was whipped,
> resulting in an ecstasy that had all the other nuns convinced that she
> was "ravished with Divine love".
You are so gullible! That's another piece of absolute nonsense! St
Teresa (sic) of Avila (1515-82) records that she had an experience of
God in the chapel of the Convent in Avila that was 'like a burning sword
piercing my heart'. From then she was motivated to reform the order
which has become very slack.
And _everything_ else you mention in the above paragraph is total
fabrication and lies. I was praying in that same chapel in the 1980's,
and God said to me "I've given you St Teresa" - to which I replied,
"Thank you, Lord, for giving us St Teresa!" To which He says, "No, I've
given YOU St Teresa!" and from then on, she's been my special friend.
She's practical, no nonsense - but deeply full of God's love. As she
travelled around Spain reformed the Order (she'd become the Mother
Superior) she was crossing a flooded stream when her cart turned over
depositing her and her belongings in the water. She addressed God; "If
this is how you treat your friends, Lord, no wonder you haven't got
many!" ;-)
Her book, 'The Interior Castle' is a masterpiece on how to pray. And she
is one of the few women Saints appointed 'Doctor of the Church' meaning
they've contributed to our theological understanding.
I don't deny that Bernini's wonderful work can be interpreted in the
wrong way, and therefore will be by people spouting this sort of nonsense...
> Oh yeah? You pay big money in certain specialised clubs to watch that
> sort of thing these days (the nuns were getting the show for free!) and
> there are genuinely people of both sexes who get their kicks from
> similar exhibitionism and masochism.
> So was Mother Theresa evil? Despite denying pain relief to that poor
> women, I would say, No. She was a good woman, but she was led astray by
> the perverse and even evil theology of her church.
Kendall, you really shouldn't spout nonsense just because you'd like it
to be true, especially on a group like this. I'
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Mike Davis