Emmanuel Church Salisbury - shocking put down from the pulpit!
- .. -- Tim .-.
Go to about 31 minutes in, and hear the put-down!
Tim.
John
No doubt those who don't agree with the exhortation from Paul will
come up with some lame excuse but I say obey the word of God in this
matter!!
celia
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:30:12 +0100, "- .. -- Tim .-."
>
> >http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=92811447151
>
> >Go to about 31 minutes in, and hear the put-down!
>
> >Tim.
>
> Ouch!!! How very draconian. :-)
>
> No doubt those who don't agree with the exhortation from Paul will
> come up with some lame excuse but I say obey the word of God in this
> matter!!
two hours and didn't deserve to be threatened with the wrath of God.
I took on board the message of the sermon and now have more affection
for my 'local and particular church' even though (or perhaps because)
the sermons are short.
Celia
Alwyn
> http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=92811447151
>
> Go to about 31 minutes in, and hear the put-down!
Oh dear me! I am reminded of when I went with some family and friends to
the tent meeting of a Dutch faith healer. At some point in the service,
I was amused by something the preacher said and smiled to myself.
Unfortunately, the man on the stage noticed my smile and started
berating me for it. 'You won't be smiling when you wake up one day in
hell', he said. This caused my grin to become even wider; happily, he
gave up at this point, otherwise the affair could have embarrassed the
people I was with.
Alwyn
John
wrote:
Are we talking about the same thing? Just after the 31 mins the
pastor talks about Christians neglecting church, quoting let us not
give up the habit of meeting one another. I assumed that is what Tim
was referring to.
Robert Marshall
I see it is also accessible in video! I hope it wasn't the very young
children who you can occasionally hear who he was berating? I was
expecting a thump of the pulpit around then but he managed to avoid that
to resort to it when telling off the older members of the congregation
a few minutes later. Was the 'secondly' around 28mins the first time
he'd made a second point? the points seemed to come thick and fast thereafter.
Robert
--
Conformity means death for any community. A loyal opposition is a
necessity in any community. Karol Wojtyla (1969)
Alwyn
>
> I see it is also accessible in video! I hope it wasn't the very young
> children who you can occasionally hear who he was berating?
text. He would probably have said the same thing even if all the young
people had decided to go on a hike that Sunday!
Alwyn
- .. -- Tim .-.
More accurately, it's 32 minutes in, but you need the minute run-in to
get the context. Celia's children were the victims of this unprovoked
and entirely unrighteous attack.
Tim.
- .. -- Tim .-.
the usual "Finally" I think he was only a little over half-way through.
Those children don't deserve his unrighteous attack, they deserve a
medal for putting up with this boring sermon so well, IMO.
Tim.
celia
>
> I managed to listen to the whole thing, and when he got to "Tenthly" and
> the usual "Finally" I think he was only a little over half-way through.
> Those children don't deserve his unrighteous attack, they deserve a
> medal for putting up with this boring sermon so well, IMO.
>
of the Bible readings was followed by a lengthy exhortation, though to
be fair the tone was far more reasonable,. the children ranged in age
from babies to teenagers and their behaviour was exemplary.
Celia
celia
I wasn't aware of a script.
He appeared an accomplished preacher.
I don't think the kids would have dared to go for a hike.
Celia
celia
wrote:
>
> I see it is also accessible in video! I hope it wasn't the very young
> children who you can occasionally hear who he was berating?
I think it possible.
Young children had to sit in the back four rows so as not to disturb
the adults.
No concessions were made to youthful short attention spans.
My guess is that they were better catered for in midweek meetings.
One of the points made in the sermon was that some had been putting
their families first and occasionally skipping church.
I suppose it depends on the character of the children which method is
most likely to lead to them following Christ in adult years.
Celia
Alwyn
>
> I wasn't aware of a script.
<http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopupvideo.asp?SID=92811447151>
> He appeared an accomplished preacher.
haven't yet given him his marching orders is a mystery to me.
> I don't think the kids would have dared to go for a hike.
Alwyn
celia
>
> It seems obvious to me from this video that he was reading the whole thing.
> <http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopupvideo.asp?SID=92811447151>
I didn't notice any page turning but the pulpit was so high that notes
wouldn't have easily been seen.
>
> > He appeared an accomplished preacher.
>
> Distincly mediocre speaker with a whiny voice. Why his congregation
> haven't yet given him his marching orders is a mystery to me.
The history of the church shows it becoming more fundamentalist under
him.
I found him quite mesmerising as a preacher. A sort of horrific
fascination.
I felt traumatised for days afterwards despite seeing clearly how he
distorted scripture to control his congregation.
>
> > I don't think the kids would have dared to go for a hike.
>
> Pity. It would have been a lot better for them.
>
I quite agree, it was a lovely day, a walk in the country would have
brought them nearer to God than that sermon could.
I did enquire what had happened that the sermon was so harsh and was
told that nothing had happened it was just a general warning against
being polluted by falling standards.
The pastor was off to the USA for a few days so maybe it was a pre-
emptive strike.
Celia
Alwyn
>
> I found him quite mesmerising as a preacher. A sort of horrific
> fascination.
bits in order to get to the 'put-down' episode mentioned by Tim. Having
now listened to the whole thing, I am quite impressed with the head of
steam he built up as he went on. He does righteous indignation very
well, but I'm not sure he's the most convincing 'angry preacher' I have
ever heard.
> I felt traumatised for days afterwards despite seeing clearly how he
> distorted scripture to control his congregation.
induce good feelings in people! The more you make your congregation feel
guilty and uncomfortable as hell, the better you've succeeded.
One of his points did cause me some wry amusement. After the keen attack
on the assembled youth, he says that 'the fourth way of despising the
church of God is failing to show that you are happy and you're glad to
be in the company of God's people'. It reminded me of the lady who took
her little son to the seaside, and when he started to cry, she beat him,
saying: 'I've brought you here to enjoy yourself, and enjoy yourself you
shall!'
Did he really distort Scripture? He certainly channels it to his own
ends, but then, so does every other preacher.
I found his accent intriguing, not quite what I'd expect for Wiltshire.
His bio says he was born in Devon, which I'm not terribly familiar with;
maybe that's how they speak down there.
Alwyn
John
was aimed at children. My reply was tongue in cheek.
celia
> One of his points did cause me some wry amusement. After the keen attack
> on the assembled youth, he says that 'the fourth way of despising the
> church of God is failing to show that you are happy and you're glad to
> be in the company of God's people'. It reminded me of the lady who took
> her little son to the seaside, and when he started to cry, she beat him,
> saying: 'I've brought you here to enjoy yourself, and enjoy yourself you
> shall!'
Agreed.
I froze the screen and enjoyed the far from joyful expression on his
face as he said it.
>
> Did he really distort Scripture? He certainly channels it to his own
> ends, but then, so does every other preacher.
There is one point in particular where I realised that he went way
beyond using Scripture for normal church discipline and was misusing
it. I don't intend to listen to it all again to prove my point but he
said words to the effect that only those chosen to be pastors have the
right to spread the gospel.
Perhaps that wasn't what he meant but time and again he pushed his
argument to such extremes that my instinct was to mentally use
biblical counter-arguments and it wasn't difficult to find them.
>
> I found his accent intriguing, not quite what I'd expect for Wiltshire.
> His bio says he was born in Devon, which I'm not terribly familiar with;
> maybe that's how they speak down there.
>
I wondered if, like those preachers who are influenced by American
evangelists and speak in a mid-Atlantic accent, he was influenced by
the Wee-Free and it was a mix of West-Country and north of the border.
Celia
celia
>
> >More accurately, it's 32 minutes in, but you need the minute run-in to
> >get the context. Celia's children were the victims of this unprovoked
> >and entirely unrighteous attack.
>
> I started from just before 31 mins. Sorry Celia I hadn't realised it
> was aimed at children. My reply was tongue in cheek.
No need to apologise, Tim might well have meant that passage, you are
fortunate to have missed listening to the entire 44 minutes and
perhaps an equal time spent expounding the readings. This was not
'church light' in any sense of the words.
Celia
- .. -- Tim .-.
Is the best way to heaven to be bored to death?
My biggest concern was over his view of ministers.
IMO he sets them up as 'mini-gods', all six foot above
contradiction and beyond question. What happened to
"The priesthood of all believers"? Yes, in the 'High' church
we have a tradition of according respect to the clergy,
but IMO this guy goes a dangerous step further than that.
ISTM this seems to be a 'bullying' approach, but let us all remember
that "He who is first will be last", and that our Saviour washed
His disciples' feet, if ever we get ministers or clergy who are
too puffed up with their own position and importance.
Tim.
- .. -- Tim .-.
>
>>
>> It seems obvious to me from this video that he was reading the whole thing.
>> <http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopupvideo.asp?SID=92811447151>
>
> I didn't notice any page turning but the pulpit was so high that notes
> wouldn't have easily been seen.
>>
>>> He appeared an accomplished preacher.
>>
>> Distincly mediocre speaker with a whiny voice. Why his congregation
>> haven't yet given him his marching orders is a mystery to me.
>
> The history of the church shows it becoming more fundamentalist under
> him.
> I found him quite mesmerising as a preacher. A sort of horrific
> fascination.
> I felt traumatised for days afterwards despite seeing clearly how he
> distorted scripture to control his congregation.
>
The charter of this group makes it difficult to openly express my
opinion of this preacher! "*Control* his congregation" is a hint
to how I feel about him, though.
Tim.
Alwyn
You haven't heard it, then. He accuses the young people of fidgetting
and talking and not paying attention to what the preacher is saying,
which is as important for them as it is for the rest of the
congregation. This is one of the ways of despising the church of God.
The same preacher's 'God's mountain, God's worship and God's people'
<http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Rev^Malcolm^Watts>,
based on Revelation 14:1-5 was a much better sermon in my view,
delivered from a more humble and intimate point of view. We learn that
Malcolm has been up many mountains, some great, some small, that he
enjoys the countryside and was brought up on a dairy farm with no sheep.
He makes an attempt to decipher the number 144,000 but warns that his
numerology is not infallible. I found it amusing that he does not
expound on 'These are they which were not defiled with women; for they
are virgins' but just indicates that it is 'symbolic'; some parts of the
Bible are too strong meat for even the most conservative of preachers,
it seems! The sermon sounds a bit 'overwrought' to my staid Anglican
ears; it's the kind of thing I'd expect to hear in an old-fashioned
Welsh chapel, assuming there are any of those left.
Alwyn
Alwyn
>
> There is one point in particular where I realised that he went way
> beyond using Scripture for normal church discipline and was misusing
> it. I don't intend to listen to it all again to prove my point but he
> said words to the effect that only those chosen to be pastors have the
> right to spread the gospel.
I must have missed that. If he did say that, he's on very shaky ground,
it seems to me. I thought Reformed doctrine placed especial emphasis on
the duty of every Christian to spread the Gospel. Even the Roman
Catholics teach as much: 'Therefore, all Christians, by reason of their
baptism, and not only the Hierarchy, are qualified to spread the message
of the Gospel, and are responsible for its propagation.' (Pope Paul VI,
_The Apostolic Duty of the Church_, May 1968)
<http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P6APOST.HTM>
Alwyn
Adam Funk
> Are we talking about the same thing? Just after the 31 mins the
> pastor talks about Christians neglecting church, quoting let us not
> give up the habit of meeting one another. I assumed that is what Tim
> was referring to.
I couldn't get the link to skip to 31 min when I just pasted it in my
browser --- is it worth downloading the whole thing to skip to there?
Oh, and I wouldn't attend a church that let sermons run on that long.
--
The earth belongs in usufruct to the living.
[Thomas Jefferson]
Mark Goodge
typed:
>On 2011-10-07, John wrote:
>
>> Are we talking about the same thing? Just after the 31 mins the
>> pastor talks about Christians neglecting church, quoting let us not
>> give up the habit of meeting one another. I assumed that is what Tim
>> was referring to.
>
>I couldn't get the link to skip to 31 min when I just pasted it in my
>browser --- is it worth downloading the whole thing to skip to there?
it run for a few minutes to get it all in the buffer, and then you can skip
forward as much as you like.
>Oh, and I wouldn't attend a church that let sermons run on that long.
which do have longer sermons also tend to have much higher expectations of
their preachers in terms of their homiletical skills. In the pentecostal
churches, sermons are practically a form of entertainment and the
congregation will settle down to watch a good preacher in pretty much the
same way that they'd watch a film, a concert or a football match lasting
the same length of time.
Mark
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I could not agree more....having watched a few participants on the 'God
Channel' just recently, the uncovered, made-up-jeweled jangling unsilent
women are the worst.
My O! My!
They seem to run out of money so frequently these days....they are now
begging viewers for yet next $4,000,000 before such and such a date,
promising guaranteed special monitory blessings from God to those who give
them their money plus a potted olive tree planted in the givers name..
....{;o;}
Jeff...
John
wrote:
>On 2011-10-07, John wrote:
>
>> Are we talking about the same thing? Just after the 31 mins the
>> pastor talks about Christians neglecting church, quoting let us not
>> give up the habit of meeting one another. I assumed that is what Tim
>> was referring to.
>
>I couldn't get the link to skip to 31 min when I just pasted it in my
>browser --- is it worth downloading the whole thing to skip to there?
>
>Oh, and I wouldn't attend a church that let sermons run on that long.
It doesn't matter how long a sermon lasts providing it is feeding the
congregation. Too long and it can become boring, for sure, but if the
pastor/preacher is conveying a true message then it is likely the
congregation will not notice the time anyway.
In the churches I have attended over the years the average sermon
length has been 30-45 minutes.
- .. -- Tim .-.
>
>
> ROFL!
> I could not agree more....having watched a few participants on the 'God
> Channel' just recently, the uncovered, made-up-jeweled jangling unsilent
> women are the worst.
> My O! My!
> They seem to run out of money so frequently these days....they are now
> begging viewers for yet next $4,000,000 before such and such a date,
> promising guaranteed special monitory blessings from God to those who
> give them their money plus a potted olive tree planted in the givers
> name.. ....{;o;}
>
> Jeff...
>
I sometimes wonder if it is being run by the Monty Python team,
and is actually a spoof.
Tim.
- .. -- Tim .-.
It is another reason why I think that it is good that there exist a wide
range of church groups and worship styles. Some people need long
sermons, whilst others need concise sermons. I found (in my Baptist
days) that the 45 minute sermons, although sometimes good, often showed
clear signs of having been padded out, since there seemed to be a view
that they HAD to be 45 minutes long. Many times, I saw good preachers
get across their point excellently within 15 minutes, and then keep
talking for another half hour. That is very boring, when you're sitting
there thinking, "But he's SAID what he needed to say already".
For me, the best sermons are those that are relevant to the scripture
readings of the day, and put across one, two or perhaps three good
points. Especially good are those that examine a different perspective,
and include examples (or humour) which help you to remember the points.
I am much more likely to remember the key messages of a 12 minute
sermon than I am a 45 minute one, but I accept that for others it might
be the other way round.
Tim.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"- .. -- Tim .-." <timr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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LOL!
I notice one or two of the speakers seem to have been 'under the knife' by
the looks of their set faces and piggy like eyes.
Jeff..
celia
>
> It is another reason why I think that it is good that there exist a wide
> range of church groups and worship styles. Some people need long
> sermons, whilst others need concise sermons.
I agree that sermons that repeat what has been said in order to fit a
time slot are boring but until the Emmanuel Church sermon I had been
inclined to criticise my present church for having no tradition of
having a sermon.
I like listening to sermons and most evenings will listen to a sermon
of around an hour in length on-line rather than watch television but
they have to be by people who have put some study into the
preparation. I don't mind if they say things that I disagree with, the
important criteria is that they are able to support their views so
that they are worth considering.
Malcolm Watts, like Jeff, takes his arguments to an extreme where
their weaknesses became apparent. If he had made them more moderate
and not used them to attack others while elevating his own position I
would have gone along with much of what he said.
I suppose I was very aware of his personal agenda as coincidently I
had to put his sermon alongside one preached in Lympsham in 1845 where
the vicar spoke for an hour and a half to the entire village in an
attempt to reassert his authority in a time of revival.
Celia
Celia
- .. -- Tim .-.
Yes, I felt that his argument went like this:
(1) The Church is not to be despised because it was instituted by God;
(2) Therefore its ministers/clergy are not to be despised as they are
representatives of the Church instituted by God;
(3) People who are NOT ministers are not representatives of the Church;
(4) Thus to critiscise or disagree with a minister is to 'despise' him,
and therefore the Church which he represents;
(5) He is a minister, and therefore to disagree with him is to 'despise'
the Church.
Thus, I am convinced that if I or anyone else were to say we did not
agree with him over anything, he would level an accusation at us that we
were 'despising' the Church, rather than debate with us. IMO his
argument fails at point (3), since we are ALL part of the Church, and
therefore we ALL are representatives of it. We learn about and discover
God *together*, and although ministers have a special calling and
responsibility, they are still human and imperfect. Also, despite what
he claims, we ARE all 'Pastors', 'Priests', 'Evangelists' and so on, to
varying degrees, in our daily lives.
It has occured to me that we could invite him to participate in the
discussion here! It would prove rather interesting...
Tim.
Steve Hague
We used to have occasional sermons from a delightful elderly Welsh preacher
named Ivor Hopkins who began his first message to us with something along
the lines of "The way I operate is this- I tell you what I'm going to say,
then I say it, then I tell you what I've just said." He was a joy to listen
to.
Steve Hague
celia
>
> We used to have occasional sermons from a delightful elderly Welsh preacher
> named Ivor Hopkins who began his first message to us with something along
> the lines of "The way I operate is this- I tell you what I'm going to say,
> then I say it, then I tell you what I've just said." He was a joy to listen
> to.
alliterative points repeated in summing up. On the other hand a good
Welsh preacher is often well worth listening to.
Celia
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Piggybacking on "Steve Hague" <steve....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> celia wrote:
>> Malcolm Watts, like Jeff, takes his arguments to an extreme where
>> their weaknesses became apparent.
LOL!
It's when it's great strength becomes so blatantly obvious to the wise
spiritual man.
The proof of my argument is correct in when obeying them means faithfully
adhering to any of Christ's command or Apostolic doctrines and practises.
The proof of any argument against what I show from either Christ's or the
Apostles teachings is in error, is when hearkening to it produces
disobedience to what Christ or the Apostles taught.
Thus fulfilling the statement of Christ himself.
"8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with
their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of
men."
Matt 15:8-9 (KJV)
Thus if women FAIL: to cover their heads then we know they are WRONG and in
ERROR and against Scripture teaching.
When they fail to remain silent in the church as command by Christ, than we
know they are WRONG and in ERROR and against Scripture teaching.
No amount of liberal Anti-Christ argument and contention will alter the
fact.... such who protest have become corrupted in their thinking and are
now without doubt...."Denying the faith"
Jeff...
celia
> It has occured to me that we could invite him to participate in the
> discussion here! It would prove rather interesting...
>
I can see why "May you live in interesting times." is considered a
curse.
Celia
Kendall Down
> Long sermons are a tradition in some parts of the church. But those parts
> which do have longer sermons also tend to have much higher expectations of
> their preachers in terms of their homiletical skills. In the pentecostal
> churches, sermons are practically a form of entertainment and the
> congregation will settle down to watch a good preacher in pretty much the
> same way that they'd watch a film, a concert or a football match lasting
> the same length of time.
I always used to aim at 25 minutes for the sermon, but lately, with
pictures to illustrate, I find that a few of my sermons approach 45-60
mins! However I also find that the congregation are either extremely
kind (and blatant liars) or I do manage to hold their interest.
In other words, a long sermon is not a problem, provided it is
interesting enough and the speaker is good enough. I have experienced 8
minute homilies that seemed to last a week and 2.5 hour sermons that
seemed to have lasted half an hour or less.
God bless,
Kendall K. Down
Kendall Down
> (5) He is a minister, and therefore to disagree with him is to 'despise'
> the Church.
Any time you hear a minister saying anything like this, don't wait for
him to finish. Get up and walk out. It is heresy of the most dangerous
kind. We have one Master - and he sure ain't a human minister!
Kendall Down
> We used to have occasional sermons from a delightful elderly Welsh preacher
> named Ivor Hopkins who began his first message to us with something along
> the lines of "The way I operate is this- I tell you what I'm going to say,
> then I say it, then I tell you what I've just said." He was a joy to listen
> to.
That's an old one. The version I know has a backwoods preacher
instructing a young minister in the art of the sermon. "Tell 'em what
yore gonna tell 'em, then tell 'em, then tell 'em what yew told 'em.
It is otherwise known as Introduction, Body and Conclusion.
- .. -- Tim .-.
strongly implied that. The way to test it, I suppose, would be to voice
any disagreements directly to him, and see what his reaction is. I'd
like to be wrong in my prediction as to how I think he would react...
Tim.
- .. -- Tim .-.
> On 9 Oct, 13:00, "- .. -- Tim .-."<timrea...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:.
>>
>> It has occured to me that we could invite him to participate in the
>> discussion here! It would prove rather interesting...
>>
> That would be fair.
Fair, it would be. Difficult, it is! No published email address on
their site, and a click on the email option just says something to the
effect that 'Cookies are not enabled on your browser' even though they
are, and even with the firewall turned off.
Anyone else like to try?
Tim.
Robert Marshall
>
> On 09/10/2011 14:23, celia wrote:
>> On 9 Oct, 13:00, "- .. -- Tim .-."<timrea...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:.
>>>
>>> It has occured to me that we could invite him to participate in the
>>> discussion here! It would prove rather interesting...
>>>
>> That would be fair.
>
> Fair, it would be. Difficult, it is! No published email address on
> their site, and a click on the email option just says something to the
> effect that 'Cookies are not enabled on your browser' even though they
> are, and even with the firewall turned off.
>
> Anyone else like to try?
>
Clicking on that link in my browser pops up a new window allowing you to
send an email (apparently - I didn't take it any further)
..using firefox 8.0 (beta) and linux - I guess you're using firefox (as
you're using thunderbird to read usenet) - do you have any javascript
addins installed? I see the link is to an asp page maybe it's trying to
do complicated things if it detects a windows system, things which may
not work!
Robert
--
Conformity means death for any community. A loyal opposition is a
necessity in any community. Karol Wojtyla (1969)
celia
> On 09/10/2011 14:23, celia wrote:
>
> > On 9 Oct, 13:00, "- .. -- Tim .-."<timrea...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:.
>
> >> It has occured to me that we could invite him to participate in the
> >> discussion here! It would prove rather interesting...
>
> > That would be fair.
>
> Fair, it would be. Difficult, it is! No published email address on
> their site, and a click on the email option just says something to the
> effect that 'Cookies are not enabled on your browser' even though they
> are, and even with the firewall turned off.
>
> Anyone else like to try?
>
sermons in Sermon Audio might reach him.
On the whole I'm not sure that it's a good idea but it seems wrong to
discuss someone's sermons without their having the chance to answer
back particularly as it could be atypical.
Celia
Alwyn
>
> On the whole I'm not sure that it's a good idea
> but it seems wrong to
> discuss someone's sermons without their having the chance to answer
> back particularly as it could be atypical.
enthusiastically on one of them.
Alwyn
celia
Celia
celia
http://affirmation2010.wordpress.com/affirmation-2010/
I rather subscribe to the view that any group that has a 'creed' that
largely describes their beliefs in terms of who they don't agree with
is using that 'creed' to narrowly define their group rather than as a
simple explanation of orthodoxy which can be used as a tool in
evangelism.
The 'party line' here goes well beyond the essentials of the faith and
I suspect that even some fundamentalists would count as liberals by
these standards.
Celia
- .. -- Tim .-.
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011, Tim timr...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
>>
>> On 09/10/2011 14:23, celia wrote:
>>> On 9 Oct, 13:00, "- .. -- Tim .-."<timrea...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:.
>>>>
>>>> It has occured to me that we could invite him to participate in the
>>>> discussion here! It would prove rather interesting...
>>>>
>>> That would be fair.
>>
>> Fair, it would be. Difficult, it is! No published email address on
>> their site, and a click on the email option just says something to the
>> effect that 'Cookies are not enabled on your browser' even though they
>> are, and even with the firewall turned off.
>>
>> Anyone else like to try?
>>
>
> Clicking on that link in my browser pops up a new window allowing you to
> send an email (apparently - I didn't take it any further)
>
> ..using firefox 8.0 (beta) and linux - I guess you're using firefox (as
> you're using thunderbird to read usenet) - do you have any javascript
> addins installed? I see the link is to an asp page maybe it's trying to
> do complicated things if it detects a windows system, things which may
> not work!
>
> Robert
I use thunderbird for email, simply because Outlook Express is not
available for Windows 7. I normally use Google Chrome for a browser,
although I did also try Windows Explorer, with the same result.
Tim.
- .. -- Tim .-.
>>
> A fuller explanation may be found in Affirmation 2010.
> http://affirmation2010.wordpress.com/affirmation-2010/
> I rather subscribe to the view that any group that has a 'creed' that
> largely describes their beliefs in terms of who they don't agree with
> is using that 'creed' to narrowly define their group rather than as a
> simple explanation of orthodoxy which can be used as a tool in
> evangelism.
> The 'party line' here goes well beyond the essentials of the faith and
> I suspect that even some fundamentalists would count as liberals by
> these standards.
>
> Celia
>
Thanks Celia. There we have it; Literal 6-day creationism, the
"Infallible" King James Version, and so on. Says it all really.
My maths teacher was wrong then, the correct value for pi is 3.00000
as the KJV tells us. Well, must go now, as I need to milk my unicorn.
Tim.
Revd. Eric Potts
Three points, and/or alliteration, are useful techniques in preaching.
But too often they become an obsession and the alliteration can be so
contrived as to be distracting rather than helpful.
Revd. Eric Potts
> My maths teacher was wrong then, the correct value for pi is 3.00000
> as the KJV tells us. Well, must go now, as I need to milk my unicorn.
...which can be tricky when she is invisible and pink.......
Tony Gillam
> as the KJV tells us. Well, must go now, as I need to milk my unicorn.
>
--
Tony Gillam
tony....@lineone.net
Does the Stig tow a caravan?
Kendall Down
> discuss someone's sermons without their having the chance to answer
> back particularly as it could be atypical.
discussing his sermons, if he puts them on the web he has to expect that
people will have opinions about them without necessarily contacting him
in person.