Leeds and Liverpool Dimensions
Greg Chapman
answer?
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I wonder if you can help at all with a question of maximum boat length on
the Wigan to Leeds stretch of the L&L?
There seems to be a lot of confusion about whether it's 60 ft or 62 ft --
which is critical for my wife and me as our boat is a 62 ft trad.
BW's tabulation of all dimensions on the system is at
http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk/images/Craft_Dimensions_tcm6-71620.pdf
This gives the maximum as 62 ft, but with a curious footnote stating that
"Narrow lock is 60 ft". It doesn't say what this refers to. Other sites
(like Jim Shead's) also say 62 ft. But BW's waterscape.com Boater's Guide
for the L&L still insists the maximum is 60 ft (as does the 2003
Nicholsons).
When BW published various drafts of a new survey on maximum dimensions last
year, it looks as if they were finally conceding that the true maximum is 62
ft not 60 ft - but now two different BW sites give opposite interpretations.
It's a long satanding ambition to cross the Pennines on our boat - and we're
hoping
to do it this summer.
Can you by any chance throw any light on the apparent contradiction?
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Greg Chapman
"Greg Chapman" <greg.ea...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>I have recently received the following. Can anyone provide a definitive
> answer?
Oops! It's the first time I been here since November and now I see that the
question has already been answered by folks who ought to know!
Roger Murray
She was in Goole when I bought he and it was a matter of getting her back
"Tim Leech" <dutto...@onetel.no.spam.com> wrote in message
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> a typical wide L&L lock when empty. Draw in the curved top cill, and
> the arcs described by the bottom gates.
> You will see that the length of narrow boat which can enter the lock
> from below, and then sit comfortably against the wall while the gates
> are shut, will be less than the length of wide beam boat (Longest on
> the centre line of the lock) which can pass through.
> I have to confess I haven't sketched it on paper myself, only in my
> head!
>
> Of course if I'm right then ways can be contrived to pass a 62' x 7'
> boat through the locks but it might not be a simple or relaxing
> experience.
>
> HTH
>
> Tim
>
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Roger Murray
the steamer Monarch over the L&L, I think in 1993. She was 62 ft, and at the
time there was a lot of question marks as to whether she would get through.
She fitted diagonally from corner to corner quite easily and with no bother.
In some cases it took a bit of wriggling to get the gate past the bow, but
we always managed without any real problem. I seem the remember where it was
advisable to go into one particular lock stern first because of the sill,
but luckily there was a convenient space to turn. They might have modified
some of the locks and things could have changed since that time!
There was an unfortuanate fatal accident in one of the locks with some
disabled people two or three years ago. I was told that new regs came in
regarding maximum length because of this, but I am not sure of my facts.
Roger Murray
"Roger Murray" <timb...@rgm8.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Neil Arlidge
As other have said Black Prince did hire 62ft narrowboats that crossed the
L&L.
The only problem is there will be some bottom gate shuffling to get boat
in/out of some of the locks.....and be prepared to get wet at the stern when
going down the locks with leaky top gates (lots!)
We shared Barrowford with a 62ft Challenger Syndicate boat OK last year.
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Julian
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> answer?
>
I was always told that these were 62ft long, if this incldes the rudder or
not I dont know.
I have just had Parglena lengthened to what I believe is the maximum that
will cross the L&L and that is with the rudder straight 62ft 8" at 45deg
its 61ft8" and with the rudder flat against the hull 60ft 8" so in all cases
that more than 60ft!
However because Parglena is a wide beam, one thing I had to bear in mind is
that in order to get to the L&L without going round Trent falls the
limiting factor is Thorne Lock at 61ft8"
J
Neil Arlidge
Go go it! its quicker and you can mess with the big Goolees......or why not
do ALL the stuff off the Humber (you will fit, but may be tight fit in
Struncheon Hill Lock onto Driffield)
Julian
"Julian" <Jul...@negearth.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I suppose a L&L short boat will provide the answer.
> I was always told that these were 62ft long, if this incldes the rudder or
> not I dont know.
http://www.nhsc.org.uk/index.cfm/event/getVessel/vref/451
Which I gues answers the question as it was built for the canal.
J
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Julian
> Nah, he's going to wait for Adrian's dreams to come true <BG>
I didnt say when I was going ;-)
Havent yet decided which way to go to get to the Trent the possibilities
could be endless by the time I come to do it.
J