boating in windy weather
Neil Corbett
I see it promises / threatens to be 17mph here on Saturday and 23mph on
Sunday. We've had a trip with friends planned for some while, so it would
be a pity to cancel, but 23 sounds a bit rough to me!
Thanks for any replies.
Neil Corbett
Nb Herbie
Mike H
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:48:55 GMT, "Neil Corbett" <neil.c...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What would you say was your wind speed limit for taking your narrowboat out?
>> I see it promises / threatens to be 17mph here on Saturday and 23mph on
>> Sunday. We've had a trip with friends planned for some while, so it would
>> be a pity to cancel, but 23 sounds a bit rough to me!
> 23mph is force 5
>
> Does that make it sound better?
Mmm, a fresh breeze it is then, we're going over the Pontcysyllte this
weekend, nothing to worry about. More bothered about the forecast heavy
rain !
Mike H
Neil Corbett
trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland waters." That
sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push a narrowboat
soemwhere you don't want it to be!
Thanks anyway Martin
Neil
>17mph is force 4
>23mph is force 5
>Does that make it sound better?
--
>Martin
Neil Corbett
horizontal, as was the spray blowing from the channel, but at least the boat
is held snug. Hang on to your brolly though:-)
Neil
Dave Larrington
Neil Corbett <neil.c...@ntlworld.com> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell
us:
> Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze -
> Small trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland
> waters." That sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push
> a narrowboat soemwhere you don't want it to be!
Hoo yus! Had hours, well, minutes of un trying to persuade Marvo's boat to
leave the bank and go into Titchmarsh Lock a few weeks ago.
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Help me, Mrs. Medleycott, I don't know what to do. I've only
got three bullets and there's four of Mötley Crüe.
Uncle Marvo
4s3f14F...@mid.individual.net, I, Marvo, say :
> In news:jt%6h.15860$GX2....@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net,
> Neil Corbett <neil.c...@ntlworld.com> tweaked the Babbage-Engine
> to tell us:
>> Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze -
>> Small trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland
>> waters." That sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push
>> a narrowboat soemwhere you don't want it to be!
>
> Hoo yus! Had hours, well, minutes of un trying to persuade Marvo's
> boat to leave the bank and go into Titchmarsh Lock a few weeks ago.
I wouldn't worry about that, I've rammed the boat opposite many times. So
have most other people. I think he's getting a bit fed up with it.
It is impossible to do Titchmarsh single-handed in any sort of wind, IMHO.
alanwhitewick
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:29:19 GMT, "Neil Corbett" <neil.c...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze - Small
>> trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland waters." That
>> sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push a narrowboat
>> soemwhere you don't want it to be!
>
>
> See "Coarse sailors Beaufort scale" on Frank Singleton's web site
> 0
>
>
> Boat moves sideways with tide.
>
>
> Cigarette smoke gets in eyes.
>
> 1
>
>
> Coarse yachtsman hoists sail, then wind drops.
>
>
> Wet finger feels cold.
>
> 2
>
>
> Tea towels blow off rigging.
>
>
> Public houses close one window.
>
> 3
>
>
> Coarse boats careen. Difficult to make tea underway.
>
>
> Public houses close two windows.
>
> 4
>
>
> Gas keeps going out.
>
>
> Beer froth blows off.
>
> 5
>
>
> Coarse sailors get book on sailing from cabin and look up bit about reefing.
>
>
> Customers in pub gardens go inside bar.
>
> 6
>
>
> Coarse sailors try to double reef and go aground.
>
>
> Elderly customers have difficulty in leaving pub.
>
> 7
>
>
> Coarse sailor rescued by launch.
>
>
> Pub door cannot be opened against wind.
>
> 8
>
>
> Aaaaaaah!!
>
>
> Pub sign blows down.
>
> 9
>
>
> Coarse sailors in pub.
>
>
> Coarse sailor hit by falling sign
>
>> Thanks anyway Martin
>
> Thanks to a plasticised card I got free with a magazine. :-)
>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>> 17mph is force 4
>>> 23mph is force 5
>>> Does that make it sound better?
Very serious when the pub sign blows down
The met office usually quotes average wind speeds, so 23mph could mean
gusts up to 35mph, thats when narrowboats become sails especially when
you need to turn round!!
Alan
www.wincantonweather.org.uk
Martin Clark
>Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze - Small
>trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland waters." That
>sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push a narrowboat
>soemwhere you don't want it to be!
>
moves along crab-wise!
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/T04_Imag/04.20.03/Dscn2263.jpg
The most alarming part was having a crazy man standing on the roof
taking photos!
--
Martin Clark
Internet Boaters' Database http://www.boaterweb.co.uk
Pennine Waterways Website http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk
Mike Stevens
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:48:55 GMT, "Neil Corbett"
> <neil.c...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> What would you say was your wind speed limit for taking your
>> narrowboat out? I see it promises / threatens to be 17mph here on
>> Saturday and 23mph on Sunday. We've had a trip with friends planned
>> for some while, so it would be a pity to cancel, but 23 sounds a bit
>> rough to me!
> 23mph is force 5
>
> Does that make it sound better?
I remember going down the Old West River in the original Felis Catus in the
summer of 1979 when it was blowing a force 9 inland. Not an experience I'd
care to repeat. That was the same day as the Fastnet Race sank.
--
Mike Stevens
narrowboat Felis Catus III
web-site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
Defend the waterways.
Visit the web site www.saveourwaterways.org.uk
Neil Arlidge
> Neil Corbett wrote...
>> Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze - Small
>> trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland
>> waters." That sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push
>> a narrowboat soemwhere you don't want it to be!
>>
> You just steer into the wind, and go a bit faster, so that the boat
> moves along crab-wise!
>
> http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/T04_Imag/04.20.03/Dscn2263.jpg
>
> The most alarming part was having a crazy man standing on the roof
> taking photos!
This was on the Northern Oxford, at the time of the March 2004 Birmingham
Hurricane.
--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
Follow the travelled TNC at : http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk
Visit this site and help save our waterways from the DEFRA cuts
http://www.savethewaterways.org.uk/
Brian Holt
"Malcolm N" <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> wrote in message
news:5fbpl2hsde0rui806...@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:18:41 +0000, Mike H <mi...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
:
:
: >
: >
: >Mmm, a fresh breeze it is then, we're going over the Pontcysyllte this
: >weekend, nothing to worry about. More bothered about the forecast heavy
: >rain !
: >
: >
: >Mike H
:
:
: Memories, memories - I went over Pontcysyllte on Christmas day 1999 -
: and there was a snow blizzard with winds about 25 mph down the valley.
: Great fun (:-), luckiliy the 90 sharp bend into the feeder to
: Llangollen is sheltered, so no problem.
:
That was a good winter, glad we had a noisy Eberspacher boat heater
--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants
Visit this site and help save our waterways
JP
>>weekend, nothing to worry about. More bothered about the forecast heavy
>>rain !
>>
>>
>>Mike H
>
>
> and there was a snow blizzard with winds about 25 mph down the valley.
> Great fun (:-), luckiliy the 90 sharp bend into the feeder to
> Llangollen is sheltered, so no problem.
>
the feeder, there's no point being a hero!
Canaldrifter
Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:29:19 GMT, "Neil Corbett" <neil.c...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze - Small
> >trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland waters." That
> >sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push a narrowboat
> >soemwhere you don't want it to be!
>
>
> See "Coarse sailors Beaufort scale" on Frank Singleton's web site
Like it!
In the winter of 2001/2 we set out from Cassio on the GU in a gale. Had
to warp the boat out of its mooring, and there were wave white horses
leaping towards us along the canal. Luckily we were going towards
London, and the wind had blown all the upper gates open for us. The
gearbox wouldn't go into reverse when entering Lot Mead lock, but the
wind stopped us before we clouted the bottom gates.
Luckily the wind had dropped considerably by the time we reached the
Thames.
Tony H
Gibbo
around 25mph. I was, out of necessity, going quite fast, and sideways.
A bloke ahead of us on a lone boat stuck his head out shouted "slow down
you bloody idiot". So I did, and hit his boat so hard he nearly fell out
of the sidehatch.
--
Gibbo
This email address is neither read nor downloaded. Messages to it are
deleted at the server. I don't even get to see them.
Mike Stevens
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:38:35 -0000, "Mike Stevens"
> <michael...@which.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I remember going down the Old West River in the original Felis Catus
>> in the summer of 1979 when it was blowing a force 9 inland. Not an
>> experience I'd care to repeat.
>
>> That was the same day as the Fastnet Race sank.
>
> ! (:-)
A heck of a lot of them!
Nicholas D Richards
<michael...@which.net> writes
>Malcolm N wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:38:35 -0000, "Mike Stevens"
>> <michael...@which.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I remember going down the Old West River in the original Felis Catus
>>> in the summer of 1979 when it was blowing a force 9 inland. Not an
>>> experience I'd care to repeat.
>>
>>> That was the same day as the Fastnet Race sank.
>>
>> What - the whole race / fleet - I think was a few less boats than that
>> ! (:-)
>
>A heck of a lot of them!
>
>
sailing master died.
A couple of weeks back we kept bumping (not literally, I hasten add)
into Morning Cloud on the Llangollen canal. The Lady on board was very
certain that they were not called Heath.
--
Nicholas David Richards -
"Oů sont les neiges d'antan?"
Ken Ward
"Nicholas D Richards" <nich...@salmiron.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>
> Including Morning Cloud, Ted Heath's boat. If I remember rightly the
> sailing master died.
>
> A couple of weeks back we kept bumping (not literally, I hasten add)
> into Morning Cloud on the Llangollen canal. The Lady on board was very
> certain that they were not called Heath.
Around the same time a Yacht of about 30ft. was moored at the quay in Conwy
with the name of "Mourning Shroud".
--
Ken Ward,
NB Blinkin Owl
Robin Nicholson
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> wrote:
>This was on the Northern Oxford, at the time of the March 2004 Birmingham
>Hurricane.
An ex-Hurricane in March? A deep depression crossing the country would
not specifically affect a particular place - but you may be refering
to a small scale tornado Neil?
R
Robin Nicholson
<neil.c...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Possibly. I see that force 5 is described as "Fresh Breeze - Small
>trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland waters." That
>sounds OKish except you know how a side wind can push a narrowboat
>soemwhere you don't want it to be!
In Maple I have had several gales in exposed places where the bikes on
the top have shifted backwards towards me - the most severe being on
the Thames and across Lincolnshire.
The most difficult to deal with are the cross winds where there are
linear moorings: real attention is needed.
R
Adrian Stott
<canald...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>In the winter of 2001/2 we set out from Cassio on the GU in a gale. Had
>to warp the boat out of its mooring, and there were wave white horses
>leaping towards us along the canal. Luckily we were going towards
>London, and the wind had blown all the upper gates open for us. The
>gearbox wouldn't go into reverse when entering Lot Mead lock, but the
>wind stopped us before we clouted the bottom gates.
My worst inland wind occasion was when returning to England from
central France. Got to Calais (by canal) in the evening, and it
seemed a little windy. Tied up in the barge basin (into which you
lock *down* when coming from the sea, and which is well inland and
surrounded by buildings) I thought for the night. The plan was to
cross the Channel the next day.
Nope.
It was blowing so hard in the morning that the barge basin was
*covered* in whitecaps. So hard, in fact, that it was impossible to
bicycle, and I had to *walk* to the boulangerie for croissants.
Tabernac! I later wanted a view of the sea and walked (with some
difficulty) to Calais beach, which I found to be in good condition for
surfing.
>Luckily the wind had dropped considerably by the time we reached the
>Thames.
Five days later, the wind finally fell below Force 3 and we made the
crossing. Even then, not in great comfort (those ferry wakes!).
Adrian
PS The crabbing technique for cross winds works only up to a certain
wind speed. Above that, the boat needs to be at an angle so great
that effectively the waterway is too narrow for it. AS
Adrian Stott
adr...@spam.co.uk
07956-299966
Canaldrifter
Adrian Stott wrote:
>
> PS The crabbing technique for cross winds works only up to a certain
> wind speed. Above that, the boat needs to be at an angle so great
> that effectively the waterway is too narrow for it. AS
Not having the luxury of a bow-thruster, can anyone who has, tell me if
they are effective when making way in a high cross-wind, or isn't there
enough power?
Tony H
Canaldrifter
Tim Leech wrote:
> On 17 Nov 2006 00:23:07 -0800, "Canaldrifter"
> boats have a very short-term rating intended for momentary use during
> manoevres. Added to that, they will flatten the batteries extremely
> quickly.
Oh good... cos my bowel thruster will pole away until she drops....
£$->=
Tony H
Mike H
Mr Telford got the length of the aqueduct about right, there's just
enough time to nip down below, make a cuppa and re-emerge up top as the
boat reaches the other end !
Mike H
Mac
Our chinaman's hat (am I allowed to say that?) blew off in the small
hours of Monday morning. Where on the scale does that come? I need to
know what sort of medal to give the wife for going out in her nightie
to stop it banging around on the side of the boat.
Mac
Paul Scott
"Mac" <M...@macwolfelee.plus.com> wrote in message
news:1163759253....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
allowed to say that!)
Paul
Neil Arlidge
After I have put the tiller strap on, I normally go for a stroll. along with
all the rest of the crew :-)
Neil Arlidge
I can only talk from experience in narrowboats on canals. We have never
stopped because of wind. Here the problem when under way is not wind speed,
but the hull speed you achieve in the canal, due to boat shape, depth or
profile of the canal. The BIG problem is getting going, here the bowthruster
helped, but useless afterwards. During my "hurricane" experience with Martin
on the Northern Oxford (the piccy does not do the conditions justice, when
underway we were heeling over at such an angle, that the drawers all opened,
and things fell on the floor), we caught up with a couple of boats that were
grinding along the bank, so slowing us down and blowing us to the side. The
outcome was that we stopped for a while, until they gave up. There was one
boat we caught up that made such a pigs ear of getting in the easier and
"downwind" Hillmorton top lock, that they ended up flustered and hooked
their boats skeg on the cill.
Neil Arlidge
It was reported as such in some of the popular press, but you are quite
right, it was a small scale tornado.
Nicholas D Richards
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
>Mike H wrote:
>> JP wrote:
>>> "Malcolm N" <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:5fbpl2hsde0rui806...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:18:41 +0000, Mike H <mi...@nospam.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mmm, a fresh breeze it is then, we're going over the Pontcysyllte
>>>>> this weekend, nothing to worry about. More bothered about the
>>>>> forecast heavy rain !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike H
>>>>
>>>> Memories, memories - I went over Pontcysyllte on Christmas day 1999
>>>> - and there was a snow blizzard with winds about 25 mph down the
>>>> valley. Great fun (:-), luckiliy the 90 sharp bend into the feeder
>>>> to Llangollen is sheltered, so no problem.
>>>>
>>> I presume you put it on auto pilot and just came back to manual to
>>> turn at the feeder, there's no point being a hero!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Mr Telford got the length of the aqueduct about right, there's just
>> enough time to nip down below, make a cuppa and re-emerge up top as
>> the boat reaches the other end !
>
>After I have put the tiller strap on, I normally go for a stroll. along with
>all the rest of the crew :-)
Personally I prefer the exhilaration of looking over the edge, down 120
feet. But then I used to hang from a rope (to take a breather) half way
up Tryfan enjoying watching the RAF Tornadoes (I think) flying beneath
me.
Nicholas D Richards
<M...@macwolfelee.plus.com> writes
Ah another use for a bowel thruster :-)
Am I allowed to say that?
Martin Clark
>
>Our chinaman's hat (am I allowed to say that?)
I think these days you are supposed to say "headgear".
--
Martin Clark
Internet Boaters' Database http://www.boaterweb.co.uk
Pennine Waterways Website http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk
Martin Clark
>
>Ah another use for a bowel thruster :-)
>
Pump-out"?
Paul Scott
"Martin Clark" <mar...@spl.at> wrote in message
news:Vx8v48Bp...@no.spam.please...
Yes, I too can remember the days when those 'complicated looking heavy knots
in the end of a rope' were known as 'Turk's Heads'. You can't get away with
things like that anymore....
Paul
Adrian Stott
<dutto...@onetel.no.spam.com> wrote:
>On 17 Nov 2006 00:23:07 -0800, "Canaldrifter"
><canald...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>Even if they would be effective, most of those as fitted to canal
>boats have a very short-term rating intended for momentary use during
>manoevres. Added to that, they will flatten the batteries extremely
>quickly.
>
>Tim
Yes. Which is why a hydraulic bow thruster, driven from the main
engine, has always seemed like a much better choice me than an
electric one, even if it would be more expensive.
Adrian
Adrian Stott
adr...@spam.co.uk
07956-299966
Nicholas D Richards
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>Scary!
In retrospect I particularly admire the skill of these 1960's pilots. I
would expect that the A10's are flown by computer and radar with minimal
interference from the pilot. These 1960's planes were probably being
flown using Eyeball Mark I, Cochlea Mark I, Seat of Pants Mark I as
input to a Mark I brain.
I, at least, was moving at a few feet a minute and could work out every
move before I made it. The human body is designed to work at that pace;
they were flying at maybe 500 mph? Mind you the consequences for both
of us were the same, if we got it wrong; deceleration at a rate we were
not designed for.
Nicholas D Richards
<mar...@spl.at> writes
>Nicholas D Richards wrote...
>>
>>Ah another use for a bowel thruster :-)
>>
>Is that anything to do with those BW facilities labelled "Self
>Pump-out"?
Colonic Irrigation at the top of Grindley Brook. It does not bear
thinking about!
Adrian Simpson
<notvali...@btinternet.com> writes
>Yes, I too can remember the days when those 'complicated looking heavy knots
>in the end of a rope' were known as 'Turk's Heads'. You can't get away with
>things like that anymore....
>
That's not a Turk's head, it's a monkey's fist. A Turk's head is a sort
of plaited ring.
Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "news" with "adrian" and "nospam" with "ffoil"
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Paul Scott
"Adrian Simpson" <ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uZ9bqkcc...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
>>Yes, I too can remember the days when those 'complicated looking heavy
>>knots
>>in the end of a rope' were known as 'Turk's Heads'. You can't get away
>>with
>>things like that anymore....
>>
>
> That's not a Turk's head, it's a monkey's fist. A Turk's head is a sort
> of plaited ring.
>
>
> Adrian
> --
Poor attempt at humour anyway - never was any good at knots....
Paul
Nicholas D Richards
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:06:19 +0000, Nicholas D Richards
>
>> These 1960's planes were probably being
>>flown using Eyeball Mark I, Cochlea Mark I, Seat of Pants Mark I as
>>input to a Mark I brain.
>
>the pants job, I read about a program to upgrade them to late 20th century
>standards.
You are right, I looked it up, the planes in N Wales could not have been
Tornados, they did not exist at that time. What they were I do not
know, they were whatever jet the RAF was using for low flying in the mid
sixties. It was very strange to see them flying below us, at a great
rate of knots.
I also looked up the A10, it is a seat of the pants job, the plans
existed, but it was not upgraded to late 20th century standards.
>
>>
>>I, at least, was moving at a few feet a minute and could work out every
>>move before I made it. The human body is designed to work at that pace;
>>they were flying at maybe 500 mph? Mind you the consequences for both
>>of us were the same, if we got it wrong; deceleration at a rate we were
>>not designed for.
>
>We were staying in a house on the edge of the top of the valley the Malyan Spout
>is in, when almost without warning an A10 climbed out of the valley and passed
>about 200' above our heads.
Spectacular
Canaldrifter
Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:02:24 +0000, Nicholas D Richards
> Buccaneers, Lightning F3 ...
Probably Buccaneers in this case. They were used mostly for low level
work at that time by the RAF, but were of course also carrier-borne in
the FAA. In 1969/70 I spent many a happy night at what was then RNAS
Lossiemouth, carrying out ground runs over the back of the airfield on
Buccs that had just had engine changes. Repetative 100% slams was bound
to keep all those slumbering jocks awake in Elgin.
No-one else wanted to do the engine runs 'cos a couple had blown up. I
was usually too p*ssed to care in those days.....
Just think.... you all could have been spared my inconsequential
ramblings on this newsgroup.
Tony H
Nicholas D Richards
Canaldrifter <canald...@tiscali.co.uk> writes
>
>No-one else wanted to do the engine runs 'cos a couple had blown up. I
>was usually too p*ssed to care in those days.....
>
>Just think.... you all could have been spared my inconsequential
>ramblings on this newsgroup.
>
>Tony H
>
Now that would have been a great shame :-)
I suppose one of their engines blowing up below me could have similarly
spared this group. For which reason I a pleased that you did a good job
of the tests.
If they were Fleet Air Arm would they have been flying from carriers
(Eagle and Ark Royal, if I remember rightly) off the Welsh coast or from
a land base (RAF Valley?). It was spectacular to watch them.
Nicholas D Richards
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>On 19 Nov 2006 06:00:07 -0800, "Canaldrifter" <canald...@tiscali.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>
>terminal if ever you are in the area and you want to get an attack of
>nostalgia.
>and another at the Yorkshire Air Museum
>http://www.yorkshireairmuseum.co.uk/collections/aircraft/post_wwII_aircraft_info
>.asp?id=41
>Watch out for loonies trying to kill themselves in jet propelled cars.
>
>The survivors are listed here
>http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/survivors.html
>
>maybe the site is not up to date. The one in the Hull car park is missing.
That is it. They were buccaneers. I knew it as soon as I saw the
silhouette. I was of course seeing them from above. Not many people
had that privilege.
John Gwalter
"Paul Scott" <notvali...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mac" <M...@macwolfelee.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:1163759253....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Our chinaman's hat (am I allowed to say that?) blew off in the small
>> hours of Monday morning. Where on the scale does that come? I need to
>> know what sort of medal to give the wife for going out in her nightie
>> to stop it banging around on the side of the boat.
>>
>> Mac
>>
> allowed to say that!)
>
> Paul
>
But only once.
--
JOhn
NB Ernest (that one, not the other one)
My indecision is final.
Canaldrifter
> terminal if ever you are in the area and you want to get an attack of
> nostalgia.
> and another at the Yorkshire Air Museum
> http://www.yorkshireairmuseum.co.uk/collections/aircraft/post_wwII_aircraft_info.asp?id=41
> Watch out for loonies trying to kill themselves in jet propelled cars.
>
> The survivors are listed here
> http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/survivors.html
What an interesting site!
My first love is the Sea Vixen, having taken them apart and rebult them
many times over. One I used to work on can still be seen flying in the
Bournmouth area occasionally.
The website is not up-to-date.
http://www.dehavillandaviation.com/home.html
Tony H
(ex-FAA AA1)
Nick Atty
lines to add
>I missed being flattened by an engine off a DH110 at Farnborough by one day.
Any chance of a little bit of snipping along the way?
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"Malcolm N" <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> wrote in message
news:8dh1m2l5j2qn72vjr...@4ax.com...
: On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:39:47 +0000, Nick Atty
: <1-no...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
:
:
: >
: >Any chance of a little bit of snipping along the way?
:
: I agree that would be a good idea - there were 14 sets of >>>> !!!
:
: The bottom of the messages were off the bottom of my screen !.
:
: Malcolm
:
Dave Larrington
Martin <m...@privacy.net> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> I haven't seen an A10 anywhere for some years.
Used to see them all the time in the vicinity of RAF Alconbury, but the
AFAIK place is no longer operational.
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Odd, is it not, how all roads lead inexorably to David Icke?
Nicholas D Richards
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:28:49 -0000, "Dave Larrington"
><smert.s...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>In news:q4otl2991ei8s8fki...@4ax.com,
>>Martin <m...@privacy.net> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>>
>>> I haven't seen an A10 anywhere for some years.
>>
>>Used to see them all the time in the vicinity of RAF Alconbury, but the
>>AFAIK place is no longer operational.
>
As we are by now totally off topic.
"Usually in pairs" reminds me of a teacher I once had.
In 1959 I started at a mixed sex secondary school, that was 4 years old.
One of the founding teachers was a hard bitten Yorkshire man (without
the accent), had been to an all boys Grammar school, the Navy during the
war (submarine service), had been a boxing champion (bantam weight), had
taken his degree at an all male Oxford college, taught at a single sex
public school and then he had come to our school.
He could not get used to how soft the boys were at this school. "Why if
I send one of them to the staff room, with a message, I have to send
them in pairs, so that they can hold hands".
Dave Larrington
>> Martin <m...@privacy.net> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>>
>>> I haven't seen an A10 anywhere for some years.
>>
>> Used to see them all the time in the vicinity of RAF Alconbury, but
>> the AFAIK place is no longer operational.
>
<marginally_on_topic>
Some of them must have strayed towards Pocklington, coz I remember seeing
them around there when I was a small Mr Larrington.
</marginally_on_topic>
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Stop press! Pope still dead...
Brian J Goggin
wrote:
>Yes it seems we are totally off topic on the main threads at the
>moment - power station, nuclear or otherwise - A10's ...........
Dunno about the A10s (I stick to A4 myself), but the power stations
may be on topic for the other newsgroups sharing that discussion.
bjg
Dave Larrington
Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Is it an Audi A4?
Brian J Goggin
<smert.s...@privacy.net> wrote:
>In news:0pc3m25cigdbaoe94...@4ax.com,
>Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>
>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>
>I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
Speaking of boats .... I've just finished reading Ian Marchant's *The
Longest Crawl*, which is about visiting pubs between Scilly and
Shetland. He mentiones having taken a canal holiday (in the 1980s?)
and, south of Birmingham, passing through the middle of a factory,
with rude mechanicals beavering away on either side as, spliff in
hand, they enjoyed their holiday.
Could this be true?
bjg
David Long
<smert.s...@privacy.net> writes
>In news:0pc3m25cigdbaoe94...@4ax.com,
>Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>
>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>
>I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
>
Flight at 15.15 hrs today.
--
David Long
Sankey Canal Restoration Society http://www.scars.org.uk/
St. Mary's http://www.geocities.com/andrew_fishburn/stmary1.html
http://www.scars.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/webcam/
Neil Arlidge
Indeed.
Round Oak Steel works was shut by the early 1970's, but Coombeswood Tube
Works on the Dudley No2 Canal was still open.
I can't commet on the spliff, it was known my another name in my days :-)
--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
Follow the travelled TNC at : http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk
Visit this site and help save our waterways from the DEFRA cuts
http://www.saveourwaterways.org.uk/
Neil Arlidge
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:23:39 +0000, Nicholas D Richards
> <nich...@salmiron.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> As we are by now totally off topic.
>>
>
> moment - power station, nuclear or otherwise - A10's ...........
>
Presumably everybody is readying themselves to engage in one of next
weekends blockades?
Adrian Stott
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian J Goggin wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:45:29 -0000, "Dave Larrington"
>> <smert.s...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:0pc3m25cigdbaoe94...@4ax.com,
>>> Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
>>> tell us:
>>>
>>>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>>>
>>> I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
Actually, that is fairly amazing.
We have had the first serious rain in eons in these parts recently,
and similarly over the same period this was the first time that the
Lee has been flowing turbid and notably above weir crest level (thank
you, Thames Water).
On that basis, I would expect the notoriously flashy (no, not as in
"bling") Stort was significantly up.
So, Watson, given the low bridges on said river, it must have been a
boat with small air draft?
Adrian
Adrian Stott
adr...@spam.co.uk
07956-299966
Nicholas D Richards
<mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> writes
>>
>
>moment - power station, nuclear or otherwise - A10's ...........
>
>
>
being inaccurate and misleading) and BWB (whoops, showing my age, sorry
British Waterways) are doing their winter things, like replacing lock
gates, rebuilding bridges etc.
Is Mike Stevens still cruising? I presume he is; his site has not been
updated since 16 October. He has posted to this group very recently.
British Waterways is backing a scheme to stop supermarket trolleys from
being dumped in the cut, in Leeds. And I thought a trolley was what you
went off.
Neil Arlidge
Bad snipping Adrian, it was Legslarry that saw the boat on the
Soar...probably one of those dreaded narrowboats.
Earnest got under all the bridges (just), even when the Stort was all over
the flood plain......Ah memories!
Neil Arlidge
> Is Mike Stevens still cruising? I presume he is; his site has not
> been updated since 16 October.
Mike is too busy doing the SOW website!
Brian Dominic
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> finished tucking into their plate of
fish, chips and mushy peas. Wiping their mouths, they swiggged the
last of their cup of tea, paid the bill and wrote::
>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>
>Presumably everybody is readying themselves to engage in one of next
>weekends blockades?
Nothing moving at Barton Lock the last twice I've had my lunch
there............. there was a stoppage at Castle Lock in Nottingham
last week for new gates................
Brian L Dominic
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Nicholas D Richards
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
>Nicholas D Richards wrote:
>> Is Mike Stevens still cruising? I presume he is; his site has not
>> been updated since 16 October.
>
>Mike is too busy doing the SOW website!
A very busy man!
Mike Stevens
> In article <0pc3m25cigdbaoe94...@4ax.com>, Malcolm N
> <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> writes
> Is Mike Stevens still cruising?
On a winter mooring at Cambrian Wharf, Birmingham.
>I presume he is; his site has not
> been updated since 16 October.
That's because I've been very busy working on my other site,
www.saveourwaterways.co.uk. That's part of a campoaign which is nearing its
first big climax next weekend.
--
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narrowboat Felis Catus III
web-site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
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Visit the web site www.saveourwaterways.org.uk
Martin Clark
>>
>>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>>
>>I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
>>
>Water was flowing over the bottom gates of the third lock up the Wigan
>Flight at 15.15 hrs today.
There were a couple of ducks swimming on the Huddersfield Narrow Canal
in Mossley just after 1.00 pm today.
--
Martin Clark
Internet Boaters' Database http://www.boaterweb.co.uk
Pennine Waterways Website http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk
David Long
<mar...@spl.at> writes
>David Long wrote...
>>In message <4sdtduF...@mid.individual.net>, Dave Larrington
>><smert.s...@privacy.net> writes
>>>Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>>>
>>>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>>>
>>>I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
>>>
>>Water was flowing over the bottom gates of the third lock up the Wigan
>>Flight at 15.15 hrs today.
>
>There were a couple of ducks swimming on the Huddersfield Narrow Canal
>in Mossley just after 1.00 pm today.
Now you mention it, it's unusual that there weren't any ducks, geese,
swans, seagulls, coots or moorhens visible on the water between the
second and third locks up the Wigan Flight yesterday.
Dave Larrington
Adrian Stott <adr...@spam.com> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:45:29 -0000, "Dave Larrington"
>>> <smert.s...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:0pc3m25cigdbaoe94...@4ax.com,
>>>> Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
>>>> tell us:
>>>>
>>>>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>>>>
>>>> I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
>
> Actually, that is fairly amazing.
>
> We have had the first serious rain in eons in these parts recently,
> and similarly over the same period this was the first time that the
> Lee has been flowing turbid and notably above weir crest level (thank
> you, Thames Water).
I noticed. I had to go home in it on Friday evening and found myself
wondering why my cycle-commute had turned into a triathlon and what those
sticklebacks were doing in my shoes.
> On that basis, I would expect the notoriously flashy (no, not as in
> "bling") Stort was significantly up.
>
> So, Watson, given the low bridges on said river, it must have been a
> boat with small air draft?
'twas a Tupperware cruiser, Holmes, with fore and aft cabins, and a blue
canopy thing. I could not discern its air draught, being as I was some
separated from the river by a fieldy-thing and the railway line. And
standing atop a five-storey building.
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Dead journalists make excellent objets d'art.
Canaldrifter
Martin Clark wrote:
> David Long wrote...
> >In message <4sdtduF...@mid.individual.net>, Dave Larrington
> ><smert.s...@privacy.net> writes
> >>Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> >>
> >>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
> >>
> >>I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
> >>
> >Water was flowing over the bottom gates of the third lock up the Wigan
> >Flight at 15.15 hrs today.
>
> There were a couple of ducks swimming on the Huddersfield Narrow Canal
> in Mossley just after 1.00 pm today.
> --
> Martin Clark
Basingstoke Canal is still closed, and nobody's shifted the bankslip in
Deepcut Cutting yet..... so progress is as normal around here.....
Tony H
Neil Arlidge
> In message <5c80zgRU...@no.spam.please>, Martin Clark
> <mar...@spl.at> writes
>> David Long wrote...
>>> In message <4sdtduF...@mid.individual.net>, Dave Larrington
>>> <smert.s...@privacy.net> writes
>>>> Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
>>>> tell us:
>>>>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>>>>
>>>> I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
>>>>
>>> Water was flowing over the bottom gates of the third lock up the
>>> Wigan Flight at 15.15 hrs today.
>>
>> There were a couple of ducks swimming on the Huddersfield Narrow
>> Canal in Mossley just after 1.00 pm today.
>
> Now you mention it, it's unusual that there weren't any ducks, geese,
> swans, seagulls, coots or moorhens visible on the water between the
> second and third locks up the Wigan Flight yesterday.
Could it be that there are less ducks about, due to radioactive
contamination from nuclear power stations? :-)
Why has somebody not killed the power station thread by replying with the
other groups removed, Shirley we are in this augst group quite capable of
creating our own mega threads, without resorting to crossposting? :-)
Canaldrifter
Martin wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2006 01:45:26 -0800, "Canaldrifter" <canald...@tiscali.co.uk>
Much of the situation is caused by lack of fluid..... and an excess of
banking where it shouldn't be..
I think I'll take a shovel up to Greywell and start digging in the
general direction of Aldermaston. It might be quicker.
Tony H
David Long
<dutto...@onetel.no.spam.com> writes
>On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:18:30 GMT, David Long <Da...@n0ne.c0m> wrote:
>
>>In message <5c80zgRU...@no.spam.please>, Martin Clark
>><mar...@spl.at> writes
>>>David Long wrote...
>>>>In message <4sdtduF...@mid.individual.net>, Dave Larrington
>>>><smert.s...@privacy.net> writes
>>>>>Malcolm N <mal...@mgnixon.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything interesting happening on the waterways ?
>>>>>
>>>>>I saw a boat on the Stort at lunchtime...
>>>>>
>>>>Water was flowing over the bottom gates of the third lock up the Wigan
>>>>Flight at 15.15 hrs today.
>>>
>>>There were a couple of ducks swimming on the Huddersfield Narrow Canal
>>>in Mossley just after 1.00 pm today.
>>
>>Now you mention it, it's unusual that there weren't any ducks, geese,
>>swans, seagulls, coots or moorhens visible on the water between the
>>second and third locks up the Wigan Flight yesterday.
>
>We usually have one or two, there are a couple of dozen at the moment.
>Something to do with the acorns, I believe.
>
Ah. That'll explain it. There aren't any acorn trees between the second
and third locks up the Wigan Flight.