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jolly bargeman

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Feb 27, 2006, 5:03:18 AM2/27/06
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I recently saw a letter in one of the Waterways Mags where someone
kindly offered to supply a list of those sanitation points suitable for
self pump outs (presumably those on mains sewers rather than into
septic tanks). Does anyone know of this list or where I can get a
definitive answer as to those where it is 'permitted' rather than
tolerated?

Jolly Bargeman

Brian

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Feb 27, 2006, 5:20:53 AM2/27/06
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"jolly bargeman" <colinwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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A couple of people on the NG and Mailing Lists have offered to put lists
together but they never seamed to get off the ground, It needs feedback from
users (us) to keep such lists up to date.

--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants


Steve Atty

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Feb 27, 2006, 7:46:25 AM2/27/06
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I'm sure that CanalPlan could support such a list, just like it could
support details of recycling points. But as pointed out, it needs
feedback from people to keep the lists up to date and thats where it
all goes wrong (The Events facility on CanalPlan being a prime example
of that - the feature is there but people dont keep it upto date).

Steve

Brian

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Feb 27, 2006, 7:52:29 AM2/27/06
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"Steve Atty" <nos...@tty.org.uk> wrote in message
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I better send in the details of the next CIBC rally then

Peter Stockdale

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Feb 27, 2006, 1:52:31 PM2/27/06
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"Steve Atty" <nos...@tty.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I'm sure that CanalPlan could support such a list, just like it could
> support details of recycling points. But as pointed out, it needs
> feedback from people to keep the lists up to date and thats where it
> all goes wrong (The Events facility on CanalPlan being a prime example
> of that - the feature is there but people dont keep it upto date).
>
> Steve


Possibly like me, they have a problem accessing the events facility.
Bit like the "more" button on the pictures pages, the "submit an event to
canalplan" button also takes me nowhere.
See -
http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/index.cgi?event=list

I have mentioned the "more" problem to Nick in the past but he reckons it is
ok with him

Apologies if the problem is just with me.
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


Neil Arlidge

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Feb 27, 2006, 2:51:56 PM2/27/06
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As soon as BW sees the list they will slap a big "NO SELF PUMPOUT" notice on
all of the Bog Stations listed! :-)

--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
Follow the travels of the TNC at : http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk


Nick Atty

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Feb 27, 2006, 3:20:15 PM2/27/06
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:46:25 +0000, Steve Atty <nos...@tty.org.uk>
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:20:53 -0000, "Brian"
><Br...@notharnser.fs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jolly bargeman" <colinwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:1141034598.3...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>I recently saw a letter in one of the Waterways Mags where someone
>>> kindly offered to supply a list of those sanitation points suitable for
>>> self pump outs (presumably those on mains sewers rather than into
>>> septic tanks). Does anyone know of this list or where I can get a
>>> definitive answer as to those where it is 'permitted' rather than
>>> tolerated?
>>>
>>
>>A couple of people on the NG and Mailing Lists have offered to put lists
>>together but they never seamed to get off the ground, It needs feedback from
>>users (us) to keep such lists up to date.
>
>I'm sure that CanalPlan could support such a list, just like it could
>support details of recycling points.

Indeed, it already does support them, and has the few that I know about
in there.

>But as pointed out, it needs
>feedback from people to keep the lists up to date and thats where it
>all goes wrong (The Events facility on CanalPlan being a prime example
>of that - the feature is there but people dont keep it upto date).

Indeed - I've not had event sent in for about 6 months now, and CBA to
go through the waterway mags and type them all in for myself.

I need to find some way to incentivise the supply of information.
People love to submit photos, because they are seen and credited to
people. It's much more rewarding to have your photo of Boggs Lock on
the home page than to be credited with providing 3 sanitary stations and
a tin can depot.

Perhaps a "collect points and get a free CD" approach?
--
On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk

(Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)

Peter Stockdale

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Feb 27, 2006, 3:33:28 PM2/27/06
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"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>
>
> Indeed - I've not had event sent in for about 6 months now, and CBA to
> go through the waterway mags and type them all in for myself.
>
> I need to find some way to incentivise the supply of information.
> People love to submit photos, because they are seen and credited to
> people. It's much more rewarding to have your photo of Boggs Lock on
> the home page than to be credited with providing 3 sanitary stations and
> a tin can depot.
>
> Perhaps a "collect points and get a free CD" approach?
> --
> On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
>
> (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)

Did you not read my contribution logged at 18.52 under this thread ?

Nick now writes -


>" Indeed - I've not had event sent in for about 6 months now, "

> Could that not explain the lack of "sendings in " ?

Pete
www.thecanalshop.com

Nick Atty

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Feb 27, 2006, 3:44:16 PM2/27/06
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Well I'm not sure it's you. But you do seem to have a remarkably picky
browser. The HTML at that point isn't very good, I'll agree, but I'm
not sure it's actually broken.

Interestingly, the syntax there and around the "More" button is the same
on both pages.

Tell you what - try the "submit events" one now - does it work any
better?

Nick Atty

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Feb 27, 2006, 3:48:01 PM2/27/06
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:33:28 -0000, "Peter Stockdale"
<peter....@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>
>"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:gqm6021l9hunq2lha...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>
>> Indeed - I've not had event sent in for about 6 months now, and CBA to
>> go through the waterway mags and type them all in for myself.
>>
>> I need to find some way to incentivise the supply of information.
>> People love to submit photos, because they are seen and credited to
>> people. It's much more rewarding to have your photo of Boggs Lock on
>> the home page than to be credited with providing 3 sanitary stations and
>> a tin can depot.
>>
>> Perhaps a "collect points and get a free CD" approach?
>> --
>> On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
>>
>> (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)
>
>
>
>Did you not read my contribution logged at 18.52 under this thread ?

No, because it wasn't there when I posted mine.

John Gwalter

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Feb 27, 2006, 4:32:00 PM2/27/06
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"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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I didn't check to see if you had enabled that feature before starting my
list at http://www.gwalter.co.uk/personal/ernest/RECYCLING%20LOCATIONS.htm

I will crib all your information on the assumption that you can use all
mine. I posted this on list to make sure everybody knows that both are now
going.


--

JOhn

NB Ernest (that one, not the other one)

My indecision is final.

Jannock

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Feb 27, 2006, 4:56:10 PM2/27/06
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Neil Arlidge said " As soon as BW sees the list they will slap a big "NO

SELF PUMPOUT" notice on all of the Bog Stations listed! :-) "

Two points on this thread :-

1. I have a list of S.P.O.Ps kindly sent to me by David Hymers, the person
who mentioned it in WW. Having included some I've used that he didn't list,
I am in the process of creating a self pumpout section on the Jannock
website and will then host and update the list.

2. It is amazing the number of BW sani points that state "no self pumpout"
when they have a card machine on the same site. It is obviously not a drain
capacity issue as we have always been led to believe.

Graham
nb comingsoon-apumpoutlist
www.jannock.org.uk


Jannock

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Feb 27, 2006, 4:56:10 PM2/27/06
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Neil Arlidge said " As soon as BW sees the list they will slap a big "NO

SELF PUMPOUT" notice on all of the Bog Stations listed! :-) "

Two points on this thread :-

Jannock

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Feb 27, 2006, 5:01:18 PM2/27/06
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Oooooops

2 points twice

Doh!

Graham


Peter Stockdale

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Feb 27, 2006, 5:42:33 PM2/27/06
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"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>
> Well I'm not sure it's you. But you do seem to have a remarkably picky
> browser. The HTML at that point isn't very good, I'll agree, but I'm
> not sure it's actually broken.
>
> Interestingly, the syntax there and around the "More" button is the same
> on both pages.
>
> Tell you what - try the "submit events" one now - does it work any
> better?
> --
> On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
>
> (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)


Sorry for delay in response.
No difference here.
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


Peter Stockdale

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Feb 27, 2006, 5:52:22 PM2/27/06
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"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>>
>>Did you not read my contribution logged at 18.52 under this thread ?
>
> No, because it wasn't there when I posted mine.
> --
> On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
>
> (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)

Oh yes is was !
Your news reader was just playing catchup !
I recommend news.individual.net - the fastest on the planet.
When two people use it or other fast readers and "chat " it is possible to
get question and answer in the same recorded minute realtime.

Pete
www.thecanalshop.com.


Julian Tether

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Feb 27, 2006, 6:06:15 PM2/27/06
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In message <46h03lF...@individual.net>, Peter Stockdale
<peter....@btopenworld.com> writes

>
>Possibly like me, they have a problem accessing the events facility.
>Bit like the "more" button on the pictures pages, the "submit an event to
>canalplan" button also takes me nowhere.
>See -
>http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/index.cgi?event=list


First time I clicked add event button I got a warning from Spybot that a
program wanted to alter my registry. This was denied and now the add
button does nothing
I hate agreeing with Pete but this time I have to.
OS here is XP with IE6 with all updates & running spybot tea timer.

>
>I have mentioned the "more" problem to Nick in the past but he reckons it is
>ok with him
>
>Apologies if the problem is just with me.
>Pete
>www.thecanalshop.com
>
>

--

Julian Tether
Barge Parglena
e-mail: jul...@parglena.co.uk

Peter Stockdale

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Feb 27, 2006, 6:26:33 PM2/27/06
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"Julian Tether" <Jul...@parglena.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>
> First time I clicked add event button I got a warning from Spybot that a
> program wanted to alter my registry. This was denied and now the add
> button does nothing
> I hate agreeing with Pete but this time I have to.
> OS here is XP with IE6 with all updates & running spybot tea timer.
>
>>
>
> Julian Tether
> Barge Parglena
> e-mail: jul...@parglena.co.uk

writes Julian --

"I hate agreeing with Pete but this time I have to."

A chap could take offence at this statement but I will let you orf this time
!

Co- incidentally I am running the same - xpie6andspybot, but have not had
any warnings.
As Nick knows , I have no trouble with the "see and add photos " button -
so I still suspect the cause is in the programming.
I know nothing about the latter so cannot presume to advise.
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


Brian J Goggin

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Feb 27, 2006, 7:15:10 PM2/27/06
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:06:15 +0000, Julian Tether
<Jul...@parglena.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <46h03lF...@individual.net>, Peter Stockdale
><peter....@btopenworld.com> writes
>>
>>Possibly like me, they have a problem accessing the events facility.
>>Bit like the "more" button on the pictures pages, the "submit an event to
>>canalplan" button also takes me nowhere.
>>See -
>>http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/index.cgi?event=list
>
>
>First time I clicked add event button I got a warning from Spybot that a
>program wanted to alter my registry. This was denied and now the add
>button does nothing
>I hate agreeing with Pete but this time I have to.
> OS here is XP with IE6 with all updates & running spybot tea timer.

No problem here with either the forthcoming events or the "more" on
the photos page. I'm using Opera 8.52 on Windows XP, with very strict
settings in Kerio Personal Firewall and with all scripting, animation,
pop-ups, plug-ins and other works of the devil turned off.

bjg

Ron Jones

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Feb 27, 2006, 7:46:25 PM2/27/06
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Peter Stockdale wrote:
> "Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:jdo6021cfcsc2imma...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> Sorry for delay in response.
> No difference here.
> Pete
> www.thecanalshop.com

Doesn't work for me either.
looking at the source of the page suggests the button links to
http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event
which is the add a link page - why the obsession with buttons, when a simple
<a href> link would do?


--
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Process Safety & Development, Alfa Aesar Avocado Lancaster UK
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at http://www.crhf.org.uk
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not certain about the universe. ~ Albert Einstein


Ron Jones

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Feb 27, 2006, 8:01:13 PM2/27/06
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Ron Jones wrote:
> Peter Stockdale wrote:
>> "Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:jdo6021cfcsc2imma...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for delay in response.
>> No difference here.
>> Pete
>> www.thecanalshop.com
>
> Doesn't work for me either.
> looking at the source of the page suggests the button links to
> http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event
> which is the add a link page - why the obsession with buttons, when a
> simple <a href> link would do?

A quick and dirty test by copying code to hard drive and editing out
unnecessary bits, shows me that the first one fails to work and the second
one works fine.... I added the closing body and html tags which you omitted,
but that's not the error ;-) I'm no expert in buttons, so I can't comment
on the actual code. System is XP pro SP2, with IE6, all fully updated.
=======================
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>CANALPLAN AC - Forthcoming Events</TITLE>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Forthcoming Events</h1>
<a
href="http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event"><button>Submit
an event to Canalplan</button></a>
</body>
</html>
==========================
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>CANALPLAN AC - Forthcoming Events</TITLE>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Forthcoming Events</h1>
<a href="http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event">Submit an
event to Canalplan</a>
</body>
</html>
=========================

Ron Jones

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Feb 27, 2006, 8:05:31 PM2/27/06
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Ron Jones wrote:
> Ron Jones wrote:
>> Peter Stockdale wrote:
>>> "Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:jdo6021cfcsc2imma...@4ax.com...
>> Doesn't work for me either.
>> looking at the source of the page suggests the button links to
>> http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event
>> which is the add a link page - why the obsession with buttons, when a
>> simple <a href> link would do?
>
> A quick and dirty test by copying code to hard drive and editing out
> unnecessary bits, shows me that the first one fails to work and the
> second one works fine.... I added the closing body and html tags
> which you omitted, but that's not the error ;-) I'm no expert in
> buttons, so I can't comment on the actual code. System is XP pro
> SP2, with IE6, all fully updated. =======================
<snip>
If you use OE to read this, the last message might appear corrupted (html in
message! - read message source to see what I really wrote!)

Greg Chapman

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Feb 28, 2006, 12:13:36 PM2/28/06
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"Brian" <Br...@notharnser.fs.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> A couple of people on the NG and Mailing Lists have offered to put lists
> together but they never seamed to get off the ground, It needs feedback
> from users (us) to keep such lists up to date.

This is just the sort of thing that "THE" site was created for!

Provide information to:
http://www.waterwaysguides.co.uk/submission.htm

--
Greg Chapman
http://www.waterwaysguides.co.uk
for updates to Nicholson, Imray and Pearsons Guides - and lots more!


Greg Chapman

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Feb 28, 2006, 12:18:58 PM2/28/06
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"Jannock" <graham...@vodafone.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> 1. I have a list of S.P.O.Ps kindly sent to me by David Hymers, the person
> who mentioned it in WW. Having included some I've used that he didn't
> list,
> I am in the process of creating a self pumpout section on the Jannock
> website and will then host and update the list.

Willingly accepted at:
http://www.waterwaysguides.co.uk/submission.htm

or as it might be awkward to submit a long list there, just send an e-mail -
just substitute "greg@" for "www"!

Nick Atty

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Feb 28, 2006, 3:31:04 PM2/28/06
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>I didn't check to see if you had enabled that feature before starting my
>list at http://www.gwalter.co.uk/personal/ernest/RECYCLING%20LOCATIONS.htm

Ah, I'd sort of assumed, without checking, that you were the person who
had posted here before about doing this, and then emailed me their list.

>I will crib all your information on the assumption that you can use all
>mine. I posted this on list to make sure everybody knows that both are now
>going.

Of course!

Nick Atty

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Feb 28, 2006, 3:31:12 PM2/28/06
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:46:25 -0000, "Ron Jones" <r...@ronjones.org.uk>
wrote:

>Peter Stockdale wrote:
>> "Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:jdo6021cfcsc2imma...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for delay in response.
>> No difference here.
>> Pete
>> www.thecanalshop.com
>
>Doesn't work for me either.
>looking at the source of the page suggests the button links to
>http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event
>which is the add a link page - why the obsession with buttons, when a simple
><a href> link would do?

I can't remember. I think it's a sort of feeling that "doing" stuff is
an action and should be driven by a button, while a link should just
take you to a place.

Nick Atty

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Feb 28, 2006, 3:31:13 PM2/28/06
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:52:22 -0000, "Peter Stockdale"
<peter....@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>
>"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:jbp60256clvl1c2jt...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>>Did you not read my contribution logged at 18.52 under this thread ?
>>
>> No, because it wasn't there when I posted mine.
>

>Oh yes is was !
>Your news reader was just playing catchup !
>I recommend news.individual.net - the fastest on the planet.
>When two people use it or other fast readers and "chat " it is possible to
>get question and answer in the same recorded minute realtime.

No it wasn't. I read offline!

Nick Atty

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Feb 28, 2006, 3:40:50 PM2/28/06
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:31:12 +0000, Nick Atty
<nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:46:25 -0000, "Ron Jones" <r...@ronjones.org.uk>
>wrote:
>

>>Doesn't work for me either.
>>looking at the source of the page suggests the button links to
>>http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/liame.cgi?do=event
>>which is the add a link page - why the obsession with buttons, when a simple
>><a href> link would do?
>
>I can't remember. I think it's a sort of feeling that "doing" stuff is
>an action and should be driven by a button, while a link should just
>take you to a place.

"liame" is, in fact, the "email" link - the spammers haven't found it
yet (a later enhancement will rename the script at each build).

I've now made it both a normal HTML link, and a bit like a button. This
may well be a bit of madness I will regret and abandon at some stage.

Peter Stockdale

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Feb 28, 2006, 4:00:52 PM2/28/06
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"Nick Atty" <nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:r7d902p0pbr0gst07...@4ax.com...

>>
> I've now made it both a normal HTML link, and a bit like a button. This
> may well be a bit of madness I will regret and abandon at some stage.
> --
> On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
>
> (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)


Thanks Nick - all three buttons now work fine here.
Welcomed also, is the picture location change facility.
Already used to shuffle one of yours a bit. (hopefully)
We look forward to the photo description change facility going live.
You are a busy boy !!

Regards
Pete


si...@robinson-technical.freeserve.co.uk

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Mar 1, 2006, 7:32:24 AM3/1/06
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snip the bog bit,


> I didn't check to see if you had enabled that feature before starting my
> list at http://www.gwalter.co.uk/personal/ernest/RECYCLING%20LOCATIONS.htm
>
>

A very useful addition...

Take a trip down the Wendover Arm, stop by the Mill, and you can take
anything and everything recyclable or not to the Tring/New Mill
Household Waste site, which is on the Reservoirs side of New Mill
bridge. Just watch out for the traffic.

Seperate bins for everything from plastic bottles to garden waste via
engine oil, textiles and batteries.


Simon.

Tony Clayton

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Mar 1, 2006, 7:35:58 AM3/1/06
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Both work on Oregano, provided javascript enabled, but they look identical.

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furnessvale

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Mar 1, 2006, 7:59:46 AM3/1/06
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Jannock wrote:
<SNIP>

> 2. It is amazing the number of BW sani points that state "no self pumpout"
> when they have a card machine on the same site. It is obviously not a drain
> capacity issue as we have always been led to believe.
>
> Graham
> nb comingsoon-apumpoutlist
> www.jannock.org.uk

Why would they let you pump out for free when they can screw another
£6.50 or whatever out of you:-(
George
nb Alton (otherwise known as nb comingsoon-apumpoutservice)

Bob Holmes

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Mar 1, 2006, 9:03:42 AM3/1/06
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furnessvale wrote:

> nb Alton (otherwise known as nb comingsoon-apumpoutservice)

I know what you're up to:
Recover the methane from the pump out tank, compress it into bottles and flog
it back to the boaters . :-)
Excellent example of recycling.
Bill


Neil Arlidge

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Mar 1, 2006, 10:06:28 AM3/1/06
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at £6.49? ;-)

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Follow the travels of the TNC at : http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk


furnessvale

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Mar 1, 2006, 11:22:09 AM3/1/06
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Neil Arlidge wrote
<SNIP>:

> > Why would they let you pump out for free when they can screw another
> > £6.50 or whatever out of you:-(
> > George
> > nb Alton (otherwise known as nb comingsoon-apumpoutservice)
>
> at £6.49? ;-)

Being very careful to avoid accusations from marinas that I am
undercutting them I will be charging MORE than £6.50. Thus I can
always point to BW as being the correct people to vent their
displeasure at:-)
George

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It will never replace paraffin and certainly never smell as sweet:-)
George

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