Riots at Irelands Finance Ministry
biggirlsblouse
the humiliation of a country that thought it was in a boom when it was
artifically created by another property bubble and low company
corporation taxes.
Now its probably an election...we will see.
R C Nesbit
I was listening to a 'Summary of Irelands Problems' on't wireless
tonight.
Oh what a suprise! - in large part fuelled by greedy property
speculation!
Then I recalled being redundanted in the mid 70's from an engineering
firm (in Astley, Manchester) which went bust because the owner had
invested all the company cash in empty office blocks in London (Centre
Point etc.) and - oh what a suprise! the bottom fell out of the market
and we couldn't pay suppliers bills any more!
--
Rob
Professional failure
Wanabee boater
Adrian
>I was listening to a 'Summary of Irelands Problems' on't wireless
>tonight.
>
>Oh what a suprise! - in large part fuelled by greedy property
>speculation!
Actually, no. Imprudent lending by banks, and the Irish government's
decision to prevent their going bust. The latter was such a good
idea, as now the whole country seems to be broke!
Adrian
Adrian Stott
Tel. UK (0)7956-299966
Dave Larrington
Adrian <re...@sdfg.co.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
"A generation ago, the very idea that a British politician would go to
Ireland to see how to run an economy would have been laughable.Today things
are different. Ireland stands as a shining example of the art of the
possible in long-term economic policymaking, and that is why I am in Dublin:
to listen and to learn.They have much to teach us, if only we are willing to
learn."
George Osborne, 2006
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
The elder stoat leads, in all circumstances.
R C Nesbit
> >I was listening to a 'Summary of Irelands Problems' on't wireless
> >tonight.
> >
> >Oh what a suprise! - in large part fuelled by greedy property
> >speculation!
>
> Actually, no. Imprudent lending by banks, and the Irish government's
> decision to prevent their going bust. The latter was such a good
> idea, as now the whole country seems to be broke!
That is just shifting the blame - yes, the banks bear some
responisibility, but the people who borrowed through greed to make an
easy profit were equally, if not more culpable.
Neil Arlidge
The imrudent lending was acively encouraged by the Irish Government, by
giving tax breaks for building, renting and buying houses, most of which
were second homes.
--
Neil Arlidge
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Nick
> In news:345qe6drhaf5ldepl...@4ax.com,
> Adrian <re...@sdfg.co.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:55:47 -0000, R C Nesbit <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I was listening to a 'Summary of Irelands Problems' on't wireless
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>> Oh what a suprise! - in large part fuelled by greedy property
>>> speculation!
>>
>> Actually, no. Imprudent lending by banks, and the Irish government's
>> decision to prevent their going bust. The latter was such a good
>> idea, as now the whole country seems to be broke!
>
> "A generation ago, the very idea that a British politician would go to
> Ireland to see how to run an economy would have been laughable.Today things
> are different. Ireland stands as a shining example of the art of the
> possible in long-term economic policymaking, and that is why I am in Dublin:
> to listen and to learn.They have much to teach us, if only we are willing to
> learn."
>
> George Osborne, 2006
Thank you.
That's the thing I find most disturbing about Ireland. That /everybody/
was saying it was a great success a mere handful of years ago. Does
this prove that the whole of economics is valueless - and if not, why
not?
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R C Nesbit
> That's the thing I find most disturbing about Ireland. That /everybody/
> was saying it was a great success a mere handful of years ago. Does
> this prove that the whole of economics is valueless - and if not, why
> not?
You won't get any argument from me about the uselessness of the 'science'
of economics!
At college in the 1970's, Business Studies, 2 subjects I could not get on
with were Law and Economics.
Law because I knew the answers but could not add enough waffle and bullshit
to get anywhere, and economics because, to my mind, it was illogical and
counter-intuitive, seemingly designed to perpetuate the rich get richer,
the poor get poorer tradition.
Then again I was even more of a bolshie git then than I am now, so probably
biased.
But one thing about economists does stick in my mind.
There was a program on R4 a while ago about long-distance commuters.
The obvious winner was a gent who commuted 4 days a week from his home in
Oxfordshire to his office in Luxembourg.
He was an economist.
Mined ewe 2nd place went to a lady accountant who drove from Stafford to
London every day.
Tony Haynes
wrote:
> Adrian wrote:
And aren't a lot of them out there in the Paddy fields still empty
from new build? The target customers were the American Irish ex-pats
who were expected to want to come home... but they didn't.
I'll give the Irish this. They are experts at taking on conditional
money, either in grants or loans, spending it, then not fulfilling the
conditions. We could learn from them to be sure. Big horror ( Is that
how it's spelt?).
Tone
biggirlsblouse
wrote:
and now the police are warning everyone that this is just the start of
public unrest!...reminds me of Maggie's days;
Tiny
wrote:
I always found handling the economy was straight forward as long as
you expected fluctuations but old boom and bust Mr. wreaked our system
by paying of the government guilts which acted like a sea anchor and
stopped too much boom and bust. As for the banks ours moved from in
house trained totally loyal bods at the top who never put their wage
packets above the good of the bank to a load of head hunted foreigners
who might be great at making money but also lost it abnd had no
loyalty to the bank.
Chuck in a previous government where at least one chancellor lost a
number of billions of foreign exchange propping up the pound, that
government followed by one where the chancellor sold our gold cheap
and was so busy being smug he never noticed how he was screwinbg the
system to a point that it had to crack.
To this you add a current British system that doesn't offer
incentives to save and you have what we have --- a world which maybe
well end up owned by the one race with no free health or OAPensions so
its people have to save - who live in a country whose economics our
current mob seem to sneer at as not being proper like what theirs is.
Me, I always ask for plastic bags as them Chinese make them and the
more they make the more they save and the more they save the more of
the world they buy - which means at the end of the day if they bombed
us they would be bombing their own property run by foreign workers
making money for them.
Arthur Marshall
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 2:25 pm, biggirlsblouse <biggirlsblou...@tiscali.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> and now the police are warning everyone that this is just the start of
>> public unrest!...reminds me of Maggie's days;
>
>I always found handling the economy was straight forward as long as
>you expected fluctuations but old boom and bust Mr. wreaked our system
>by paying of the government guilts which acted like a sea anchor and
Ah them goverment guilts.
That's what it all comes down to.
Actually, of course, it doesn't. Nowt to do with politcis, really,
just a system ruined by bankers who have invented so many nonexistent
products they could sell to other bankers who didn't care that they
didn't exist as long as another banker would buy them before anyone
found out.
How come no-one wants to blame the culprits, who are still taking
millions in their pay packets for carrying on selling nonexistent...
oh I can't be arsed any more...
Anyway, we can't vote out the bankers, so we are all stuffed anyway.
Arthur Marshall
nb Lord Byron's Maggot
Tiny
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:34:35 -0800 (PST), Tiny <dhsrcr...@yahoo.com>
We live in a blame and make money economy where some really nasty
chappies have a get out of jail free no blame lable attached to them
as they have convinced our political masters that only they can save
us all. Its a perfect example of certain people fooling certain other
people all the time and the second lot being too stupid to realise it
and to powerful to have those that do influence their power politics.
Or to put it another way 'It's the same the whole world over...'
Incidently the guilts (gilts) bit was one of them freudian slips.
Arthur Marshall
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:01 pm, Arthur Marshall <art...@barndancer.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:34:35 -0800 (PST), Tiny <dhsrcr...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 25, 2:25 pm, biggirlsblouse <biggirlsblou...@tiscali.co.uk>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >> and now the police are warning everyone that this is just the start of
>> >> public unrest!...reminds me of Maggie's days;
>>
>> >I always found handling the economy was straight forward as long as
>> >you expected fluctuations but old boom and bust Mr. wreaked our system
>> >by paying of the government guilts which acted like a sea anchor and
>>
>> Ah them goverment guilts.
>>
>
>We live in a blame and make money economy where some really nasty
>chappies have a get out of jail free no blame lable attached to them
>as they have convinced our political masters that only they can save
>us all. Its a perfect example of certain people fooling certain other
>people all the time and the second lot being too stupid to realise it
>and to powerful to have those that do influence their power politics.
>Or to put it another way 'It's the same the whole world over...'
>
>Incidently the guilts (gilts) bit was one of them freudian slips.
I know it was - but it was too good to miss!
I don't think the politicians took that much convincing, as most of
them end up on the boards of banks or other financial institutions.
It's just the built in problem of democracy - anyone wanting power
should be disqualified by definition. The world has been wrecked by
people trying to do good.
Sigh.
I'm off to the Red Lion to sing some daft irish songs and play the
fiddle while Rome sizzles. The good thing about music is that no damn
politician/banker can take it away from you.
R C Nesbit
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:34:35 -0800 (PST), Tiny <dhsr...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 25, 2:25 pm, biggirlsblouse <biggirlsblou...@tiscali.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> and now the police are warning everyone that this is just the start of
> >> public unrest!...reminds me of Maggie's days;
>
> >
> >I always found handling the economy was straight forward as long as
> >you expected fluctuations but old boom and bust Mr. wreaked our system
> >by paying of the government guilts which acted like a sea anchor and
I want to know who Me. wreaked is/was?
> Ah them goverment guilts.
>
> That's what it all comes down to.
I am waging my own little private war with the establishment at the moment.
In dispute with a certain financial institution, they call up at all hours,
ask if I am me, then ask me to 'go through security':
Them: "What is the first line of your address and your post code?"
Me: "My address begins 25, my post code begins NG22, that is sufficient for
you to be assured that I am who you think I am"
Them: "We must have the full first line of your address and your full post
code"
Me: "Look, this is an unsolicited call, you could be the Russian Mafia for
all I know, so I have my own security concerns over identity theft, so I
repeat, the information I have given is sufficient for you"
Them: "No it isn't, you can call us back if you like, it's 0845...."
Me: "No, sorry, that number could take me to Birmingham, Moscow,
Johannesburg or Ulan Bator for all I know! - give me a geographical land
line number and I will call you"
Them: "We don't have a normal number! this is our number!"
And so it goes on.
Adrian
<art...@barndancer.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm off to the Red Lion to sing some daft irish songs and play the
>fiddle while Rome sizzles. The good thing about music is that no damn
>politician/banker can take it away from you.
I'm afraid that may be incorrect.
IIRC, the Taliban made music illegal in Afghanistan when they ran it.
On pain of death.
Give me an "A", would you?
Tiny
So what do you get if you are put on hold if you phone them if you
don't get mind numbing music?
Tony Haynes
>
> Sigh.
>
> I'm off to the Red Lion to sing some daft irish songs and play the
> fiddle while Rome sizzles. The good thing about music is that no damn
> politician/banker can take it away from you.
> Arthur Marshall
> nb Lord Byron's Maggot
I wish I was closer. I'd join you.
Tone
Tony Haynes
That would be a great name for a group: 'The Taliband"
Tone
Adrian
>I am waging my own little private war with the establishment at the moment.
>
>In dispute with a certain financial institution, they call up at all hours,
>ask if I am me, then ask me to 'go through security':
>
>Them: "What is the first line of your address and your post code?"
>
>Me: "My address begins 25, my post code begins NG22, that is sufficient for
>you to be assured that I am who you think I am"
>
>Them: "We must have the full first line of your address and your full post
>code"
>
>Me: "Look, this is an unsolicited call, you could be the Russian Mafia for
>all I know, so I have my own security concerns over identity theft, so I
>repeat, the information I have given is sufficient for you"
Quite right -- I also never give identity information to outfits that
phone me. There are too many scamsters about.
>Them: "No it isn't, you can call us back if you like, it's 0845...."
>
>Me: "No, sorry, that number could take me to Birmingham, Moscow,
>Johannesburg or Ulan Bator for all I know! - give me a geographical land
>line number and I will call you"
>
>Them: "We don't have a normal number! this is our number!"
It sounds like the following might help you. It often helps me keep
my phone bills down.
It tells you geographic numbers of outfits that tell you only their
non-geographic ones (most have them). It doesn't do only 0870 numbers
-- 0871, 0845 etc. too. Although its database isn't complete, it is
surpringly comprehensive, as it works on a wiki basis. Recommended.
Alex Potter
> That would be a great name for a group: 'The Taliband"
Somewhat incendiary, though, I would have thought :)
--
Alex
Tiny
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is a Tally Ho Band - but that's to do with foxhunting which is
not PC. I note Merrythought Bears to a hunting Golli - the ultimate in
non PC.
Richard Tanner
It sounds like the following might help you. It often helps me keep
my phone bills down.
And for those who use only a mobile phone and have inclusive landline
minutes, for 0845 etc. numbers that are charged at an extortionate rate
these people are pretty good.
and for 0800 numbers you could look here
Richard Tanner
Nicholas D. Richards
ps.com>, Tiny <dhsr...@yahoo.com> on Sat, 27 Nov 2010 at 04:26:48
awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
Mind numbing quotations from the prophet, on the superiority of the
market?
--
Nicholas David Richards -
"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"
Nicholas D. Richards
<re...@sdfg.co.uk> on Sat, 27 Nov 2010 at 14:22:29 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
It works for some organisations (eg the Co-op bank, of whom I have
personal experience); I am told that others get snotty, tell you that
the geographical number is only for people phoning from overseas and
ring off.
--
Nicholas David Richards -
"Oů sont les neiges d'antan?"
R C Nesbit
> > That would be a great name for a group: 'The Taliband"
>
> Somewhat incendiary, though, I would have thought :)
The Tally Band would do it though!
R C Nesbit
> >http://www.saynoto0870.com
> >
> >It tells you geographic numbers of outfits that tell you only their
> >non-geographic ones (most have them). It doesn't do only 0870 numbers
> >-- 0871, 0845 etc. too. Although its database isn't complete, it is
> >surpringly comprehensive, as it works on a wiki basis. Recommended.
>
> It works for some organisations (eg the Co-op bank, of whom I have
> personal experience); I am told that others get snotty, tell you that
> the geographical number is only for people phoning from overseas and
> ring off.
It worked for Sky, until they cottoned on, and whenever the std. number
is found, they just change it - bastards!
Nicholas D. Richards
on Sat, 27 Nov 2010 at 23:33:03 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
wrote
What else do you expect from Mudroch (spit) and all his works.