nb names
brian.ma...@mail.which.net
name be? I understand there is a 'train spotters' type listing - what
is it called and how can it be obtained? Do any waterway organisations
publish/release boat names??
appreciate info email: brian.ma...@which.net
Regards Brian M
Malcolm Nixon
brian.ma...@mail.which.net wrote:
>.Having commissioned a narrow boat build how original will any chosen
>.name be? I understand there is a 'train spotters' type listing - what
>.is it called and how can it be obtained? Do any waterway organisations
>.publish/release boat names??
>.
>.appreciate info email: brian.ma...@which.net
>.
There was such a book on the IWA stand at Salford Quays - so a
call to IWA HQ will probably get the info you want.
As one who is also about to get a new boat built - one of the
many things to mull over ( apart from the detailed boat spec. )
is what to call the boat.
A feminine boat name - "borrow" an old narrowboat name, or some
other original but non-traditional type of name. It's difficult
isn't it (:-)
--
Malcolm,
-spam goes in the bin
-remove the later to email
Brian L Dominic
Nixon) wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:34:52 +0100,
>brian.ma...@mail.which.net wrote:
>
>>.Having commissioned a narrow boat build how original will any chosen
>>.name be? I understand there is a 'train spotters' type listing - what
>>.is it called and how can it be obtained? Do any waterway organisations
>>.publish/release boat names??
>>.
>>.appreciate info email: brian.ma...@which.net
>>.
>
Middlewich Narrowboats sell it (if you're near them......)
Brian
Dr Sean Neill
>
> A feminine boat name - "borrow" an old narrowboat name,
What about finding an unused member of a 'series' of original names?
Limpopo (Spey)
Spitzbergen (Laplander)
Special Prosecutor (President)
> --
> Malcolm,
Sean
st...@sole.prd.co.uk
: >On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:34:52 +0100,
: >brian.ma...@mail.which.net wrote:
: >
: >>.Having commissioned a narrow boat build how original will any chosen
: >>.name be? I understand there is a 'train spotters' type listing - what
: >>.is it called and how can it be obtained? Do any waterway organisations
: >>.publish/release boat names??
: >>.
: >>.appreciate info email: brian.ma...@which.net
We once counted 4 Foxy Ladies between Napton and Braunston....
I have occasionally wondered what the good Dr Freud would have made of
the choice of boat names, which are typically of the female
persuasion, given the clear phallic symbolism of the narrow boat, the
construction of narrow locks, the thrust bearing etc. etc.
--
Steve Blinkhorn <st...@prd.co.uk>
sull...@axxia.com
>What about finding an unused member of a 'series' of original names?
>Limpopo (Spey)
>Spitzbergen (Laplander)
>Special Prosecutor (President)
You could have a pair called Bellatrix and Fella..<hurried snip>
Dave Sullivan
David Kitching
<URL:mailto:ed...@snow.csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> > is what to call the boat.
> >
> > A feminine boat name - "borrow" an old narrowboat name,
>
>
> Limpopo (Spey)
As in great, green, greasy Limpopo. Quite an appropriate alternative name
for Spey really. In fact we call her the Rachid as an alternative. This is
due to HMS Spey being sold to the Egyptian navy and so renamed.
Cheers,
--
David Kitching - fearrmeox adlap braegen
Nick Wedd
ch.net writes
>Having commissioned a narrow boat build how original will any chosen
If you are going to be painting the name onto the hull yourself,
consider using only the letters AEFHIKLMNTVWXYZ. That way, you will
easily be able to do a neat job with masking tape. The C in "Minchiate"
has caused me more grief than all the other letters put together.
It may seem trivial now. But if you take this advice, you won't regret
it in ten years' time.
Nick
--
Nick Wedd ni...@maproom.co.uk
Ray Dunford
----------
> From: Nick Wedd <Ni...@maproom.co.uk>
> To: can...@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: nb names
> Date: 21 September 1998 21:37> Snip
>
> If you are going to be painting the name onto the hull yourself,
> consider using only the letters AEFHIKLMNTVWXYZ. That way, you will
> easily be able to do a neat job with masking tape. The C in "Minchiate"
> has caused me more grief than all the other letters put together.
>
> It may seem trivial now. But if you take this advice, you won't regret
> it in ten years' time.
>
> Nick
> --
> Nick Wedd ni...@maproom.co.uk
May I disagree, I suggest that you use a good professional 'Signwriter'.
They will be both quicker and cheaper than you expect. Contact the
'Waterway Craft Guild' for a list of accredited 'Writers'.
Cheers,
Ray Dunford.
Preston Brook, Cheshire. Tel : 01928 715369
Ken Kroeker
to print out the name either as a banner or individual letters, cut them
out with a suitable knife, and use them as a stencil?
Michael Houlston
<Ni...@maproom.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <3602C3EB...@mail.which.net>, brian.ma...@mail.whi
> ch.net writes
>
> If you are going to be painting the name onto the hull yourself,
> consider using only the letters AEFHIKLMNTVWXYZ. That way, you will
> easily be able to do a neat job with masking tape. The C in "Minchiate"
> has caused me more grief than all the other letters put together.
>
> It may seem trivial now. But if you take this advice, you won't regret
> it in ten years' time.
>
> Nick
>
Or better still who's got the anagram software ?.
Mike
--
Mike Houlston. Wilderness Beaver "KESTON"
Canals are more fun than working !!.
mhou...@argonet.co.uk
Michael J Wooding
<ray.d...@btinternet.com> writes
>They will be both quicker and cheaper than you expect.
But not as cheap or satisfying as doing it yourself.
Mike
--
Michael J Wooding - nb DRACO http://www.g6iqm.demon.co.uk/draco.htm
NABO Webmaster http://www.clearlight.com/~nabo
email: na...@clearlight.com
The Cutpics site: http://www.vhfcomm.co.uk/cutpics.htm
The Springer Owners Club site: http://www.vhfcomm.co.uk/springer.htm
Brian L Dominic
Dunford) wrote:
>> It may seem trivial now. But if you take this advice, you won't regret
>> it in ten years' time.
>May I disagree, I suggest that you use a good professional 'Signwriter'.
>They will be both quicker and cheaper than you expect. Contact the
>'Waterway Craft Guild' for a list of accredited 'Writers'.
........ or keep the business "on the Net" and contact Chris Deuchar -
his wife, Jan, does signwriting and boat painting - Chris writes
books.......
Brian
Chris Deuchar
...and is also a Guild accredited, signwriter, boat decorator and
canalware painter I must add on her behalf.
Two (Steve Hudson) trade boats at Braunston, and the wonderful mock
up cabin in the trade marquee (also photographed in August[?] WW)
bore her decoration (and Hazardous Kev's signwriting) along with
several other private boats which were "all her own work".
Even the Show programme showed five of her water cans on the cover
(admittedly four were blobs on our pair of boats - the other in
Erewash CCC colours on David Daines Lynx)
Chris D
A.J. Clarke
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:14:16 -0500
> Subject: Painting Names on Boats (was Re: nb names)
>
> OK I'll byte.... Why not just use a computer graphics or banner package
> to print out the name either as a banner or individual letters, cut them
> out with a suitable knife, and use them as a stencil?
This is an admirably rational solution until you try to use it,
when you discover that proper signwriting is a distinctive art that needs
more than stencilling.
A stick-down stencil (using something like Frisk Film or even
Fablon sheet) will get you the letterforms near enough but you tend to get
bleeds and ragged edges when the stencil is peeled away, so that much of
your painting effort goes into making good the edges.
Also, if you derive your letters on a PC and print them out large,
it is surprising how touchy you have to be in getting visually correct
spacing, as computer programs tend to align lettering to a "near-enough"
spacing that's fine on text but looks dodgy the bigger it's enlarged.
Given that you're sticking on masking stencils, you can't always see how
neat you've got your spacing, and it's not always susceptible to "obvious"
methods like ruling a fixed gap between letters - this works with
square-stroke letters but anything with a curve will promptly look gappy
and a serif face requires different principles to a sans. You do have to
loft up your design fullsize on paper and tweak the measurements: a
signwriter will scribe up with chalk or pencil but can work quite neatly
freehand by eye.
So a true signwriter, trained in the specific art of ruling and
painting letterforms on a large flat or curved surface, will always do a
smarter job, at a price which reflects the time and craft involved. (Note:
I do only mean lettering, not stuff like roses and castles). Moreover
there are specific materials for pro signwriting which need sourcing for
best results, the main ones being signwriters' brushes (NOT artists'
brushes or anything domestic: these have angle-cut ends and a distinctive
grade of bristle) and the right grade of paint, preferably a very opaque
and slightly eggshell-surfaced one to get good coverage and adhesion.
Household gloss is hopeless (even the one-coat doesn't brush out that
evenly) and most enamels (yotty or not) are designed for smooth wide
brushes in even coats and will pile and run if spread slowly in small
strokes.
There are arty types who can turn out out proficient signage with
basic materials, but you can always tell the pukka item even from a
distance. Oh and you need a knobstick, and decent sunshine.
Tony the Typographical
Cambridge
Chris Deuchar
> Oh and you need a knobstick,
I think you meant to say Mahlstick, a knobstick is a Trent and Mersey
Canal expression (allegedly/opens new can of worms etc)
Chris D
A.J. Clarke
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:04:39 GMT0BST
> Subject: Re: Painting Names on Boats (was Re: nb names)
I acknowledge mahlstick as a usage, but I've seen 'em called
knobsticks. Maybe that's a non-users' name for them since they are indeed
a knob (of soft cloth?) on a stick! What's the T&M version used for?
Any recommendations for suppliers of pukka sign paints, then,
Chris?
Tony Clarke
Cambridge
Guy Morgan
Houlston <mhou...@argonet.co.uk> writes
>Why not call the boat AEFHIKLMNTVWXYZ.
>Or better still who's got the anagram software ?.
Yeh that name'd free now that the Woodings have decided not to use it
:-)}
BTW I agree entirely with the other response on this thread. Forget
using simple letters and get a good signwriter to do it.
Thorn's signwriting was done by Ron Hough and worth every penny!
Guy
--
Guy Morgan nb Thorn and Persephone, WFB Stockton GU
Three Men in a Boat is a novel form of overcrowding
Michael J Wooding
100...@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk>, "A.J. Clarke" <aj...@cus.cam.ac.uk> writes
>Any recommendations for suppliers of pukka sign paints, then,
>Chris?
Phil Speight supplies ours
Ray Dunford
----------
> From: Chris Deuchar <Chris....@nottingham.ac.uk>
> To: can...@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: nb names
> Date: 22 September 1998 16:04
>
> On 22 Sep 98, Brian L Dominic wrote:
>
> > On 21 Sep 1998 23:36:33 -0000, ray.d...@btinternet.com (Ray
> > Dunford) wrote:
> >
> > >>Snip - it was not me
> >
> > >May I disagree, I suggest that you use a good professional
'Signwriter'.
> > >They will be both quicker and cheaper than you expect. Contact the
> > >'Waterway Craft Guild' for a list of accredited 'Writers'.
> >
> > ........ or keep the business "on the Net" and contact Chris Deuchar -
> > his wife, Jan, does signwriting and boat painting
>
> ...and is also a Guild accredited, signwriter, boat decorator and
> canalware painter I must add on her behalf.
>
> Two (Steve Hudson) trade boats at Braunston, and the wonderful mock
> up cabin in the trade marquee (also photographed in August[?] WW)
> bore her decoration (and Hazardous Kev's signwriting) along with
> several other private boats which were "all her own work".
>
> Even the Show programme showed five of her water cans on the cover
> (admittedly four were blobs on our pair of boats - the other in
> Erewash CCC colours on David Daines Lynx)
>
> Chris D
This is what I like. We are all working well together, to promote the
Guild.
Don't anybody mention 'Tr**s**rs ! Thank Brian and Chris.
Brian L Dominic
>
>We once counted 4 Foxy Ladies between Napton and Braunston....
>
...... and I spotted a boat recently called "TIGHT ALNWICK".....
(note for furriners - Alnwick is pronounced "Annick".....)
Brian
Ray Dunford
> From: Guy Morgan <g...@onelight.demon.co.uk>> Date: 22 September 1998 14:26
Hi Guy,
I am glad that you agree with me, and very many others. Do you know how Ron
is, I heard that he was walking with the aid of a stick ? BTW he must have
painted and decorated more boats than any other single painter. If you do
see him please give him my regards, it was over thirty years ago when we
first met. Has he ever told you about his appearance at Macy's in New York
?
Guy Morgan
<ray.d...@btinternet.com> writes
about Ron Hough
>Hi Guy,
>I am glad that you agree with me, and very many others. Do you know how Ron
>is, I heard that he was walking with the aid of a stick ?
Not directly though I had heard that he wasn't too fit these days.
> BTW he must have
>painted and decorated more boats than any other single painter. If you do
>see him please give him my regards, it was over thirty years ago when we
>first met.
OK
> Has he ever told you about his appearance at Macy's in New York
>?
'fraid not. I spent some time with him while he was doing Thorn in the
WFB paint shed. We talked quite a bit but not about Macy's! Do tell!
Cheers
Chris Deuchar
> This is what I like. We are all working well together, to promote the
> Guild.
> Don't anybody mention 'Tr**s**rs ! Thank Brian and Chris.
But there is only one "e" in trousers!
Why shouldn't we mention them anyway?
<G>
Chris D
Ray Dunford
----------
> From: Guy Morgan <g...@onelight.demon.co.uk>
> To: can...@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: nb names
>
> Snipped bits about Ron Hough ( Narrow boat painter )
>
> > Has he ever told you about his appearance at Macy's in New York
> >?
>
> 'fraid not. I spent some time with him while he was doing Thorn in the
> WFB paint shed. We talked quite a bit but not about Macy's! Do tell!
>
> Cheers
>
> Guy
> --
> Guy Morgan nb Thorn and Persephone, WFB Stockton GU
>
> Three Men in a Boat is a novel form of overcrowding
In the early 1970's I was working on the IWA stand at the Earls Court Boat
Show, when I was approached by a well dressed man who said that his company
had asked him to buy some 'Barge Ware' !
To cut a long story short he was from Macy's of New York and they were
having an 'English Fortnight', and wanted to source a supply of
'Traditionally Decorated Canalware'. He was put in touch with Ron who flew
over to the States to actually demonstrate the technique in the store.
Previously the artefacts had been sent ( some completed and the others only
half finished ), and were all displayed in the store by the time that Ron
arrived.
When Ron checked he discovered that more half finished items had been sold
than the completed ones !
Tony with no boat (yet)
st...@sole.prd.co.uk wrote in message <6u5fvf$4...@fastnet.prd.co.uk>...>: >>.Having commissioned a narrow boat build how original will any chosen
>: >>.name be? I understand there is a 'train spotters' type listing - what
>: >>.is it called and how can it be obtained? Do any waterway
organisations
There is a book available which list all the boat names & if my
microrganisam is
right it also gave the owners name I can't remember wear I saw it perhaps
someone knows of the book I'm rabbiting on about.
Tony wit no boat ( yet )
John Bennett
Yes I know it, but somebody please come to the rescue here with the name
and author?
This is a book which I nearly bought (but it would have cleared me out
of beer money at the time;-) that someone published, full of lists of
boat names and BW reg numbers.
I don't know how it was compiled though. Somebody told me that BW had
supplied the information, although I doubt if that would have acceptable
policy under the data protection Act, so it could well have been done by
an extensive "boat spotting" operation - complete with anorak, pencil
and notebook (wish I'd known about this at the time:-)
However it is far from comprehensive and probably very out of date. It
could be a useful reference book though if you are looking for choices
and the frequency of various boat names.
Cheers John
--
John Bennett nb "Jake B"
Cheddar Bradford-on Avon
Somerset UK
Guy Morgan
<ray.d...@btinternet.com> writes
>In the early 1970's I was working on the IWA stand at the Earls Court Boat
>Show, when I was approached by a well dressed man who said that his company
>had asked him to buy some 'Barge Ware' !
Good start!
>To cut a long story short he was from Macy's of New York and they were
>having an 'English Fortnight', and wanted to source a supply of
>'Traditionally Decorated Canalware'. He was put in touch with Ron who flew
>over to the States to actually demonstrate the technique in the store.
>Previously the artefacts had been sent ( some completed and the others only
>half finished ), and were all displayed in the store by the time that Ron
>arrived.
>When Ron checked he discovered that more half finished items had been sold
>than the completed ones !
There's a moral in that somewhere I suspect!!
However RICL
>
Thanks for sharing that one Ray
Ray Dunford
----------
>Snip
> >
> >There is a book available which list all the boat names & if my
> >microrganisam is
> >right it also gave the owners name I can't remember wear I saw it
perhaps
> >someone knows of the book I'm rabbiting on about.
>
> Yes I know it, but somebody please come to the rescue here with the name
> and author?
>
>
> However it is far from comprehensive and probably very out of date. It
> could be a useful reference book though if you are looking for choices
> and the frequency of various boat names.
>
>
> Cheers John
> --
> John Bennett nb "Jake B"
> Cheddar Bradford-on Avon
> Somerset UK
The name Douglas Maas comes to mind as the compiler, but I may be wrong. I
remember submitting information about 'Ellington' which is of course now
two years out of date.
David Long
<jo...@johnpb.demon.co.uk> writes
>Yes I know it, but somebody please come to the rescue here with the name
>and author?
"Inland Waterways Boat Listing", by Douglas Maas, 1997, Inland Waterways
Books, 8 Clover Close, Narborough, Leicester LE9 5FT. ISBN 0 9530034 0 X
!12.75 ukp...! Quite a few pints!
--
David Long
Visit the Sankey Canal Restoration Society's Website at:
http://www.scars.demon.co.uk/scars/
Updated: 28/7/98
Nick Wedd
<jo...@johnpb.demon.co.uk> writes
>Yes I know it, but somebody please come to the rescue here with the name
>and author?
Last time I went up Braunston flight, the man in the little shop on the
left tried very hard to sell me a copy of this book. He showed how you
could look up a nb's registration number and find its name. I pointed
out that if I knew a nb's number, I would also be likely to know its
name. He then tried another approach, and it was hard to get away.
Guy Morgan
<Ni...@maproom.co.uk> writes
Maas. I had a look at a copy at SB. Thorn is listed with no details
as are most other boats. Some have useful details.
I seem to remember a thread some time ago related to whether BW had
handed over their listings and if so whether it was legal.
Jeff Dennison
>When Ron checked he discovered that more half finished items had been sold
>than the completed ones !
>
Could it be that the very stylised roses of the Braunston school
always look half finished. Come back Mr Atkins all is forgiven, now
there was a painter of roses. :-)
Regards
Jeff
--
Songs of the Waterways - compact disc "They're coming back to the water"
Web site http://www.pipemedia.net/users/jeffd/index.htm
Telephone: 01203 615582 Mobile 07970 281853
If you ain't makin' waves, you ain't kickin' hard enough!
Mike and Su
>There is a book available which list all the boat names & if my
>microrganisam is
>right it also gave the owners name I can't remember wear I saw it perhaps
>someone knows of the book I'm rabbiting on about.
We saw copies for sale at the museum shop in SB. Someone with a shop near
the top of the Braunston locks also sells it. We found out when we passed
his shop in the 'All Right Now' and he ran out to wave the book at us,
informing us that the boat was listed in this wonderful book and he'd be
happy to sell us a copy.
-Su
Mike and Su
Brian L Dominic:
>...... and I spotted a boat recently called "TIGHT ALNWICK".....
We saw that boat last year. One of the passengers had his nipples pierced,
with 1" shackle bolts.
Go figure.
-Su
Glen Peckett
wrote:
>In article <HOY1OFCQ...@johnpb.demon.co.uk>, John Bennett
><jo...@johnpb.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>Yes I know it, but somebody please come to the rescue here with the name
>>and author?
>
>Last time I went up Braunston flight, the man in the little shop on the
>left tried very hard to sell me a copy of this book. He showed how you
>could look up a nb's registration number and find its name. I pointed
>out that if I knew a nb's number, I would also be likely to know its
>name. He then tried another approach, and it was hard to get away.
Yes, that's the same person who told me how it had lots of info about
my own boat -
A. It wasn't my boat
B. I have loads of info about my boat
C. 'Cause you're in the lock it's very hard to escape from him!
Peter Brown
><andrew....@virgin.anti-spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>st...@sole.prd.co.uk wrote in message <6u5fvf$4...@fastnet.prd.co.uk>...
>>microrganisam is
>>right it also gave the owners name
>I don't know how it was compiled though. Somebody told me that BW had
>supplied the information, although I doubt if that would have acceptable
>policy under the data protection Act
If it does give the name of the owner, in my opinion it breaches the
Data Protection Act.
From memory, the name isn't given for most boats, so there is no
'personal data' and no problem. For some boats, I think the owners have
given details, and providing it was made clear why the information was
being collected, again there is no problem about publishing the name.
--
Peter Brown
(nb 'Pen Duicks', formerly 'Maggie Lynch')
Peter Brown
>left tried very hard to sell me a copy of this book. He showed how you
>could look up a nb's registration number and find its name. I pointed
>out that if I knew a nb's number, I would also be likely to know its
>name. He then tried another approach, and it was hard to get away.
>
expensive honey to buy my exit last time.