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Neil Arlidge

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Jun 24, 2003, 5:06:24 PM6/24/03
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Monday 23rd June 2003

Last night Ken Ketchup came up and introduced himself. He was also having a
drink in the Navigation and moors just below the pub and is sec. of the
Norman Owners club. A chat of newsgroupy things ensued.

We awoke around 07:00ish and Neil started off at 07:30.
Disaster struck at Broadcut Top Lock. Neil was not being observant while
drying down rear cockpit and caught the tiller under the bottom gate
walkway.
It was a real goody, first to go was the tiller pin, then the tiller bar.
Eventually the weld failed at the bottom of the swan neck to the boss and
Neil was left holding the detached swan neck.
We were really stuck seeing as Neil had NOT put the arc welder on
Earnest.Yet more disasters then followed in the attempts to stick it back in
a temporary fashion, so we could make our Friday Standedge booking. A welded
repair could then easily be done, the swan neck taken away if necessary.
R&D were foned and put on standby for a call out with Ray's powerful
infernal combustion powered welder on a trolley. Robinson's at Dewsbury
Basin (now Calder Valley Boat Centre) were also foned and they said they
could do the work if we could get there. First the shaft of the tiller pin
was attempted to be straightened.....it snapped! (this has some sentimental
value as it was the low height one off Beatty - but we do have spare low
height one) The tiller bar was straightened, (using the scaffold pole and a
lock gate), still attached to the swan neck, at the same time as
straightening the only bent bit of the swan neck - the turned down end. The
end is now straight, but the tiller bar is somewhat bu&&ered. Kit on board
included an angle grinder, electric drill, sharp drills, long 10mm stainless
steel bolt and tap to match. First a hole was drilled through the inner face
of the non-welded on end of the swan neck, then a flat ground on the
otherside, so the stainless 10mm (Head size) bolt would fit through. The
drill of course snapped when it reached the case hardened outer of the swan
neck, so the flat was also used to tap out the end of the drill bit.
The swan
neck was offered up and all seemed straight, leaving the broken welds
slightly open at the top. The start of the hole into the clamped on boss
then followed - this could not be that deep as the drill was not long
enough. This went well, the swan neck removed, then the hole was continued,
lining up by eye. This also went well and it was decided to drill through
the boss to shaft interface to enable the hole to be tapped to a decent
length. The trapping went well, using "Olivio" butter as threading
lubricant. Just as hole was nearly threaded the next disaster then
happened - the tap broke - thus jamming boss onto shaft!
A this point rescue came in the disguise as a helpful couple on a 45ft NB -
"Joleen" from Sowerby Bridge and they offered to breast up and take us up
the 3 locks and Dewesbury Arm to Calder Valley Boat Centre. We finally set
off again at 10:00. Is was a slow four hour slog to Dewsbury, meeting a
rather annoying BW Donny work boat on TWO occasions - what do they think
the Calder and Hebble is - a wide Canal?...............it certainly could
do with somewhat longer locks!
We soon found Gordon at Calder Valley and he tried to shift the boss, but to
no avail and said we
could then try to shear it after the swan neck was back on, also testing his
welding. The welding went well and the tap did indeed shear after the third
whack of the rudder against the base plate. The damaged thread was soon
cleared and a longer bolt found and the whole assembly soon bolted up. A
reasonable cost was agreed and we were off at tout vitesse at 14:00.
During the welding process Martin C and Peter W went and did a large shop in
the nearby ASDA.
A trouble free run to Huddersfield ensued and we met up with Joleen again,
they had stopped for lunch. We left the Calder and Hebble at Cooper Bridge
at 16:40 and we soon got stuck into the vastly improved Huddersfield Broad
Canal and absolutely bombed along. We passed onto the HVNC at 18:45,
problems above Lock 1E - no water. We struggled to Commercial Street Bridge,
then ground to a halt. Martin W was still off and was directed to the new
locked in Lock 2E by Martin C - he knew the way over a wall. After a while a
bloke walking down the towpath gladly reported that he had sent Martin W to
"the lock", which was of course Lock 3E. Some confusion in the Orange
network then ensued, so Martin C had to walk the plank and sort matters out.
We finally got moving from Lock 3E again at 20:00 after negotiating Bates
and Sellars cut and cover tunnels. A VERY large trolley reef by Wickes
entrance.
A magical evening then occurred - boating in the dusk and at night. No
problems all the way up to Slaithwaite, just above Lock 21E, on the
Waterpoint. The last 5 locks were done in the dark, arriving at 23:30. We
had still not eaten, so the two Martins went straight out to find a Chinky
or Indian. Come 12:00, Neil and Peter assumed that they had obviously found
something......or were lost!
The two heroes returned at 00:15 with a large cardboard box full of stuff
from the "Zam Zam" Indian. Reasonable quality, with real chilli's used, not
powder. We eventually expired at 14:00....with still an earlyish start to
get to Lock 32E (BW take over from here) , ahead of the "crowds"

Tuesday 24th June 2003

Neil awoke and got up at 06:00. Did serious watering to get bow down for the
tunnel.We eventually departed at 06:45. Good few VERY low pounds above
Slaithwaite, but only had to resort to juggle water down on two occasions.
Only once did we have to "jump" over an upper sill. Arrived above Lock 31E
at 09:10 and went past the two boats readied for going up to Marsden at
13:00. We moored up just below Lock 32E (the narrowest on the east side) BW
were about to replace the upper balance beam , with some negotiation with
the BW repair crew and the "Men In Black" - Standedge lockies, we started up
at 10:10, after the first of the "down" boats arrived. Eventually the
lockies said we could go up as far as we could on the water available,
before they let more down at lunch time We got all the way to lock
40E,before having to stop for the lockies dinner hour. We soon slunk off to
"The Railway" for a well kept pint of Burtonwood and excellent sandwich /
salads. Back on boat at 13:20 for resumption to the summit at 13:30. We
eventually started off at 13:50 and went to the furthest you are allowed to
go before the Visitor Centre close (Before the rail bridge) one of the two
boats following us up soon arrived and we both joked about the lack of deep
waiting moorings (for the day) and with out any rings. At 17:00 you are
allowed right up to the tunnel. A bit before this we sidled up to the
tunnel.One boat was already there and soon after the fourth arrived up. That
evening a truly excellent meal and VERY well kept pints of Timmy Taylors
Landlord,Black Sheep and Beyond the Pail - Elland Brewery. Truly HOME
prepared food, with very attentive young landlady.
Early to bed as we were truly knackered.
It was now

--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
Follow the travels of the TNC at http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk

Jezza

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Jun 24, 2003, 6:02:48 PM6/24/03
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:06:24 +0100, in uk.rec.waterways,
<bdaele$q7555$1...@ID-27576.news.dfncis.de>, "Neil Arlidge"
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> uttered the following:

>The last 5 locks were done in the dark, arriving at 23:30. We
>had still not eaten, so the two Martins went straight out to find a Chinky
>or Indian.

I'd prefer that you didn't use racist terms in newsgroup postings.

Try and think about the readership.


--
Jezza - Bristol Boatman
<http://www.hotwells.freeserve.co.uk/citydocks.html>
<http://www.bristolpacket.co.uk/>
Try the online quizzes

Jeff Naylor

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Jun 25, 2003, 6:32:59 PM6/25/03
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"Jezza" <je...@hotwells.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:9jihfv4ju8aket6e9...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:06:24 +0100, in uk.rec.waterways,
> <bdaele$q7555$1...@ID-27576.news.dfncis.de>, "Neil Arlidge"
> <ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> uttered the following:
>
> >The last 5 locks were done in the dark, arriving at 23:30. We
> >had still not eaten, so the two Martins went straight out to find a
Chinky
> >or Indian.
>
> I'd prefer that you didn't use racist terms in newsgroup postings.
>
> Try and think about the readership.
>
>
> --
> Jezza - Bristol Boatman

Reminds me of Chris McDonald's defence of Viz when they had to apologise for
a cartoon called "Theving Gyspy Bastards". "I didn't realize that it was a
whole cultural thing, just the blokes who stole our kid's fridge"

Or better words than that - it was about 10 years ago!


Jonny Hodgson

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Jun 26, 2003, 4:18:50 PM6/26/03
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Neil Arlidge wrote:

> Neil awoke and got up at 06:00. Did serious watering to get bow down
> for the tunnel.We eventually departed at 06:45. Good few VERY low
> pounds above Slaithwaite, but only had to resort to juggle water down
> on two occasions. Only once did we have to "jump" over an upper sill.

My mind is boggling... could someone please explain the principles
involved in "jumping" a narrowboat over a sill?!?

Jonny


David Gerrie

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Jun 26, 2003, 4:52:47 PM6/26/03
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doesn't take that much to work out - have you not seen the R Thames
bit in one of the newish Bond movies??? all ya need is a bit of speed
and a ramp. now, how fast does a narrowboat go....

David Long

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Jun 26, 2003, 5:45:16 PM6/26/03
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In message <penmfvktkvmevusgm...@4ax.com>, martin
<mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes

>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:52:47 +0100, David Gerrie
><david....@dgerrie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>doesn't take that much to work out - have you not seen the R Thames
>>bit in one of the newish Bond movies???
>
>or the one from the early 1970s set in Florida.
>
>or the Dutch film "Amsterdammed".

>
>> all ya need is a bit of speed
>>and a ramp. now, how fast does a narrowboat go....
>
>4 knots?
>
>
Get back to uk.rec.sailing, yottie!

--
David Long
Sankey Canal Restoration Society http://www.scars.org.uk/
St. Mary's http://www.geocities.com/andrew_fishburn/stmary1.html
Wigan Webcam http://www.hutin.u-net.com/webcam/

David Long

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Jun 26, 2003, 6:23:27 PM6/26/03
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In message <kopmfvs2ot7brgug2...@4ax.com>, martin
<mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:45:16 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
>wrote:

>
>>In message <penmfvktkvmevusgm...@4ax.com>, martin
>><mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes
>>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:52:47 +0100, David Gerrie
>>><david....@dgerrie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>doesn't take that much to work out - have you not seen the R Thames
>>>>bit in one of the newish Bond movies???
>>>
>>>or the one from the early 1970s set in Florida.
>>>
>>>or the Dutch film "Amsterdammed".
>>>
>>>> all ya need is a bit of speed
>>>>and a ramp. now, how fast does a narrowboat go....
>>>
>>>4 knots?
>>>
>>>
>>Get back to uk.rec.sailing, yottie!
>
>:-)
>
>I have been known to narrowboat too.
>
But I bet you travelled in mph.

David Long

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Jun 27, 2003, 3:08:19 AM6/27/03
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In message <eponfvst815n4t7dm...@4ax.com>, martin
<mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:23:27 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
>wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>4 knots?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Get back to uk.rec.sailing, yottie!
>>>
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>I have been known to narrowboat too.
>>>
>>But I bet you travelled in mph.
>
>I travelled in anticipation :-)

Is that a Canaltime boat? What's its number? Does Brian know?

Pam Scruton

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Jun 27, 2003, 3:32:55 AM6/27/03
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Out of cyberspace on Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:23:27 +0100, David Long
<Da...@scars.org.uk> whispered in my ear:

>>>>4 knots?
<snip>


>>I have been known to narrowboat too.
>>
>But I bet you travelled in mph.

Oh dear - it gets worse. I walk in kph, in cars I go at mph, in boats
with sails on tidal/salty water I travel in knots. In nrrow boats
I've always travelled in mph until my recent jaunt on the tidal Clyde
in Gamebird when, without even thinking about it, I switched the GPS
to knots. Iain Street, on the other hand, Gamebird's skipper, had his
GPS set to mph.

I'm fairly sure that in Ireland we boated in knots on the Shannon and
Lough Derg. (I'm also fairly sure that it wasn't a major consideration
at the time!)

So what determines the units then?

--
Pam

Take out the dog to reply
www.scrutons.co.uk

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 27, 2003, 3:49:15 AM6/27/03
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:32:55 GMT, Pam Scruton
<Pam.S...@thedogblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Out of cyberspace on Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:23:27 +0100, David Long
><Da...@scars.org.uk> whispered in my ear:
>
>>>>>4 knots?
><snip>
>>>I have been known to narrowboat too.
>>>
>>But I bet you travelled in mph.
>
>Oh dear - it gets worse. I walk in kph, in cars I go at mph, in boats
>with sails on tidal/salty water I travel in knots. In nrrow boats
>I've always travelled in mph until my recent jaunt on the tidal Clyde
>in Gamebird when, without even thinking about it, I switched the GPS
>to knots. Iain Street, on the other hand, Gamebird's skipper, had his
>GPS set to mph.
>
>I'm fairly sure that in Ireland we boated in knots on the Shannon and
>Lough Derg. (I'm also fairly sure that it wasn't a major consideration
>at the time!)

The speed limit signs on the Shannon are in km/h, but people tend to
talk about knots. And of course distances on our roads are given in
kilometres, while speed limits are in mph.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 27, 2003, 3:49:53 AM6/27/03
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:39:02 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>Mainly yourself :-)
>In the car we use km and litres.
>On the sea everything is in nautical miles and knots, because that
>matches the charts. 1 minute of longitude = 1 nautical mile ( I know
>that that's not true at the poles. I have yet to attempt the North
>West Passage).

Speak for yourself dearie.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 27, 2003, 4:21:37 AM6/27/03
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:14:50 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>> And of course distances on our roads are given in
>>kilometres, while speed limits are in mph.
>

>until the EU pays for the signs as well as the roads? :-)

No: it's a money-making racket by the fuzz, designed to confuse
furriners.

But don't mind the roads. Any chance you Eurochaps would pay for the
Ulster Canal?

bjg

Chris Garner

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Jun 27, 2003, 4:24:00 AM6/27/03
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In article <ltsnfvo0qb8rhe6op...@4ax.com>,
mar...@wanadoo.nl (martin) wrote:

> 1 minute of longitude = 1 nautical mile ( I know
> that that's not true at the poles. I have yet to attempt the North
> West Passage).

Only true at the equator! Should be 1 minute of latitude = 1 nautical
mile, which is always true. At latitude 53 deg N, 1 minute of longitude =
0.6 nautical mile (cosine 60 = 0.6)

How often do you get lost in the North Sea.

Chris

Bob Wood

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Jun 27, 2003, 7:29:30 AM6/27/03
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In news:memo.2003062...@chrisgarner.smtp.ntlworld.com,
Chris Garner <chris...@ntlworld.com> typed:

>
At latitude 53 deg N, 1 minute of
> longitude =
> 0.6 nautical mile (cosine 60 = 0.6)

eeerrr ....... no! cosine 60 = sine 30 = 0.5


> How often do you get lost in the North Sea.

Exactly!


Bob

Adrian Stott

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Jun 27, 2003, 10:46:56 AM6/27/03
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:39:02 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:32:55 GMT, Pam Scruton
><Pam.S...@thedogblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>

>>Out of cyberspace on Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:23:27 +0100, David Long
>><Da...@scars.org.uk> whispered in my ear:
>>
>>>>>>4 knots?
>><snip>
>>>>I have been known to narrowboat too.
>>>>
>>>But I bet you travelled in mph.
>>
>>Oh dear - it gets worse. I walk in kph

Tsk! You actually walk in km/h

The nearest thing to what "kph" might mean in SI is "kiloPascal
hours", e.g. how long did you keep the pressure up. (Actually, the
Pascal symbol is "P", but there you go.)

Adrian

Pedants United
"Neatness counts"


If the waterway is measured in km, then it must make sense to boat in
km/h.

It's bizarre on the UK roads, still measured in miles while petrol
pumps are metric, because the only sensible fuel consumption parameter
to work with is "miles per litre".


Pat Norton

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Jun 27, 2003, 12:34:20 PM6/27/03
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Chris Garner wrote:
>Should be 1 minute of latitude = 1 nautical mile, which is always true.

Only approximately.
The international nautical mile = 1852 metres precisely
The UK nautical mile = 1853 metres precisely (rarely used now, even in the UK)

The knot = 0.51477 m/s precisely
(does not equal 1 nautical mile per hour)


Official SI website:
www.bipm.fr/enus/3_SI/base_units.html
(definition of nautical mile referred to in brochure)

UK law:
www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uksi_19951804_en_2.htm

Bob Adams

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Jun 27, 2003, 1:44:15 PM6/27/03
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In message <l8snfv8t5mb6gkslu...@4ax.com>, Pam Scruton
<Pam.S...@thedogblueyonder.co.uk> writes

>in Gamebird when, without even thinking about it, I switched the GPS to knots.
>Iain Street, on the other hand, Gamebird's skipper, had his GPS set to mph.

Isn't this the sort of thing that leads to craft crash-landing on Mars?

--
Bob Adams. email to: ams...@ntlworld.com

Chris Garner

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Jun 27, 2003, 2:03:00 PM6/27/03
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In article <bdh9qt$sprak$1...@ID-174807.news.dfncis.de>, bob...@ntlworld.com
(Bob Wood) wrote:

Should have been cosine 53 = 0.6 or 0.6018 to be more precise!


Chris

Jeff Naylor

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Jun 27, 2003, 2:26:57 PM6/27/03
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"Pat Norton" <pat.n...@iname.com> wrote

> The UK nautical mile = 1853 metres precisely (rarely used now, even in the
UK)

1 mile (UK nautical) = 1.853 184 000 000 E+3 metre (m)

> The knot = 0.51477 m/s precisely
> (does not equal 1 nautical mile per hour)
>

1 knot (UK) = 0.514 773 333 333 3 metre per second (m/s)

1 knot (UK) = 1.853 184 000 000 kilometre per hour (km/h)

That's according to Omnicon
http://members.execulink.com/~pjones/

Nobody has mentioned Leagues yet!

http://www1.minn.net/~keithp/llen.htm


Neil Arlidge

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Jun 27, 2003, 2:26:10 PM6/27/03
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I have a dropped skeg. We had to be pretty sure that after backing up and
taking a gentle run up that the boat would go over and not get stuck in a
dropping water situation. (there has been reports of a NB sinking on HNC in
such a situation). Also my rudder is now level with bottom of skeg and we
had to be sure that it would also jump up, if this hit the sill. As it
happens the rudder did not touch. After my swan neck disaster one good thing
happened, by top rudder bearing collar is now free!

Jo Stoller

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Jun 28, 2003, 7:34:05 AM6/28/03
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Jeff Naylor wrote:
>1 knot (UK) = 0.514 773 333 333 3 metre per second (m/s)
> 1 knot (UK) = 1.853 184 000 000 kilometre per hour (km/h)
>
> That's according to Omnicon

Omnicon used out of date UK definition of 6080 ft. Pat Norton gave the
link to the UK law defining UK units. We cannot get a better reference
for the UK versions than that.

UK versions of the unit are not used much. The definition is mainly
legacy (as with 'gill'). UK air/water vessels are required to use the
international version.

As Martin points out, the SI brochure says:
1 [international] knot = 1 international nautical mile.

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 28, 2003, 7:12:32 PM6/28/03
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:23:06 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>Sorry still paying for the St Patrick's Stream-Rhine-Donau-Trans
>Alpino Canal.

Them continental fellas: always wasting money. Probably have olive
groves planted along one side and rape-seed along t'other, and getting
grants for both.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 28, 2003, 7:13:10 PM6/28/03
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:44:15 +0100, Bob Adams <nos...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>In message <l8snfv8t5mb6gkslu...@4ax.com>, Pam Scruton
><Pam.S...@thedogblueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>in Gamebird when, without even thinking about it, I switched the GPS to knots.
>>Iain Street, on the other hand, Gamebird's skipper, had his GPS set to mph.
>
>Isn't this the sort of thing that leads to craft crash-landing on Mars?

Not narrowboats, though.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 29, 2003, 4:35:14 AM6/29/03
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:58:25 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:12:32 +0100, Brian J Goggin


><b...@wordwrights.ie> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:23:06 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:21:37 +0100, Brian J Goggin
>>><b...@wordwrights.ie> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:14:50 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And of course distances on our roads are given in
>>>>>>kilometres, while speed limits are in mph.
>>>>>
>>>>>until the EU pays for the signs as well as the roads? :-)
>>>>
>>>>No: it's a money-making racket by the fuzz, designed to confuse
>>>>furriners.
>>>>
>>>>But don't mind the roads. Any chance you Eurochaps would pay for the
>>>>Ulster Canal?
>>>
>>>Sorry still paying for the St Patrick's Stream-Rhine-Donau-Trans
>>>Alpino Canal.
>>
>>Them continental fellas: always wasting money. Probably have olive
>>groves planted along one side and rape-seed along t'other, and getting
>>grants for both.
>

>instead of mega-acres of, for export only, shamrock plantations?

You mean clover? That's all grown in great sheds in Holland somewhere.

bjg

David Long

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Jun 29, 2003, 5:03:52 AM6/29/03
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In message <a79tfvooo31383be9...@4ax.com>, martin
<mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:35:14 +0100, Brian J Goggin
><b...@wordwrights.ie> wrote:
>>
>>You mean clover? That's all grown in great sheds in Holland somewhere.
>
>It is? :-)
>
>What you are talking about is mainly grown in green houses and
>apartment block basements under grow lamps and so far does not receive
>an EU subsidy.
>
Shamrock must have similar effects - what else would explain the
sightings of Leprechauns, Virgin Marys etc?

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 29, 2003, 5:08:25 AM6/29/03
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:37:58 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

[trimmage]

>What you are talking about is mainly grown in green houses and
>apartment block basements under grow lamps and so far does not receive
>an EU subsidy.

Gracious: a non-subsidised farming activity. I'll bet George Bush and
Tony Blair are all in favour of that crop.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 29, 2003, 5:11:45 AM6/29/03
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:03:52 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
wrote:

>In message <a79tfvooo31383be9...@4ax.com>, martin

><mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:35:14 +0100, Brian J Goggin
>><b...@wordwrights.ie> wrote:
>>>
>>>You mean clover? That's all grown in great sheds in Holland somewhere.
>>
>>It is? :-)
>>
>>What you are talking about is mainly grown in green houses and
>>apartment block basements under grow lamps and so far does not receive
>>an EU subsidy.
>>
>Shamrock must have similar effects - what else would explain the
>sightings of Leprechauns, Virgin Marys etc?

Given that Leprechauns have only ever been sighted by American
visitors, and that the BVM is found mainly sur le continong and in
Walsingham, I can only presume that the furriners must be smoking
shamrock.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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Jun 29, 2003, 5:12:27 AM6/29/03
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:01:26 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:03:52 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
>wrote:
>

>>In message <a79tfvooo31383be9...@4ax.com>, martin
>><mar...@wanadoo.nl> writes
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:35:14 +0100, Brian J Goggin
>>><b...@wordwrights.ie> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You mean clover? That's all grown in great sheds in Holland somewhere.
>>>
>>>It is? :-)
>>>
>>>What you are talking about is mainly grown in green houses and
>>>apartment block basements under grow lamps and so far does not receive
>>>an EU subsidy.
>>>
>>Shamrock must have similar effects - what else would explain the
>>sightings of Leprechauns, Virgin Marys etc?
>

>scrambled brains - poteen?

Never mind the brains: it's your digestion that really suffers.

Mind you, it's said to be good as a liniment for greyhounds.

bjg

Brian J Goggin

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:11:52 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>I wouldn't knock the EU too hard if I were Irish.
>They might stop pouring money into Ireland.

They just did. Haven't you been following developments in the CAP and
fisheries? And since we globalised the shamrock business to Holland,
we've nothing to fall back on but the navvying. Any canals need
digging out your way?

bjg

Molly

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Jun 29, 2003, 8:31:07 AM6/29/03
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In article <oabtfv8nm8pd0kjvo...@4ax.com> at 10:12:27 on

The best mixer I found for poteen was Lemsip. Go figure.
--
Molly

Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person
who doesn't get it.

Brian J Goggin

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:31:07 +0100, Molly
<nos...@mockfords.clara.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <oabtfv8nm8pd0kjvo...@4ax.com> at 10:12:27 on
>Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Brian J Goggin <b...@wordwrights.ie> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:01:26 +0200, martin <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
>>>scrambled brains - poteen?
>>
>>Never mind the brains: it's your digestion that really suffers.
>
>The best mixer I found for poteen was Lemsip. Go figure.

The worst poteen I ever had was sloe poteen: make as for sloe gin but
with poteen instead. Maybe Lemsip and Tonicsip would have helped.

bjg

David Long

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Jun 29, 2003, 1:15:23 PM6/29/03
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In message <bdi4kt$s8ibt$3...@ID-27576.news.dfncis.de>, Neil Arlidge
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes

>After my swan neck disaster one good thing
>happened, by top rudder bearing collar is now free!
>
Neil demonstrated his free-floating rudder when I met up with the crew
at Fiddlers Ferry this afternoon. I think it's probably the first time a
narrow boat has actually entered the Sankey through FF since the Widnes
extension was made in 1832... unless someone knows better.
Pics on uk.free.binaries.canals... soon.

Andrew J Instone-Cowie

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Jun 29, 2003, 3:28:22 PM6/29/03
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:15:23 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
wrote:

>Neil demonstrated his free-floating rudder when I met up with the crew

>at Fiddlers Ferry this afternoon. I think it's probably the first time a
>narrow boat has actually entered the Sankey through FF since the Widnes
>extension was made in 1832... unless someone knows better.
>Pics on uk.free.binaries.canals... soon.

Drat! Hadn't realised that was today, otherwise I'd have been there!
Just nipped down there (~8pm), Earnest moored up next to the lock, but
no-one about. What time are they going out tomorrow? I'll probably be
in work :-(

Andrew

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David Long

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Jun 29, 2003, 4:13:03 PM6/29/03
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In message <hafufv4764fhpnd05...@4ax.com>, Andrew J
Instone-Cowie <address-...@datagram.co.uk> writes

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:15:23 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Neil demonstrated his free-floating rudder when I met up with the crew
>>at Fiddlers Ferry this afternoon. I think it's probably the first time a
>>narrow boat has actually entered the Sankey through FF since the Widnes
>>extension was made in 1832... unless someone knows better.
>>Pics on uk.free.binaries.canals... soon.
>
>Drat! Hadn't realised that was today, otherwise I'd have been there!
>Just nipped down there (~8pm), Earnest moored up next to the lock, but
>no-one about. What time are they going out tomorrow? I'll probably be
>in work :-(
>
They've gone off to the Red Lion on the main road for something to eat,
etc..
They'll be locking out between 12 and 1 tomorrow, and going into Spike
Island, where they'll be overnight - going on to Langton and the L&L on
Tuesday.
They seemed very tired, but in good spirits.

Dave Croft

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"Andrew J Instone-Cowie" <address-...@datagram.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:15:23 +0100, David Long <Da...@scars.org.uk>
> wrote:
> Drat! Hadn't realised that was today, otherwise I'd have been there!
> Just nipped down there (~8pm), Earnest moored up next to the lock, but
> no-one about. What time are they going out tomorrow? I'll probably be
> in work :-( Andrew

They had just started walking to the Red Lion for their supper.
Neil said that they were starting for Spike Island tomorrow at 1 PM

--
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
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Debbie Bashford

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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:46:56 +0100, Adrian Stott
> <ba...@enable.telinco.com> wrote:
>
> >It's bizarre on the UK roads, still measured in miles while petrol
> >pumps are metric, because the only sensible fuel consumption parameter
> >to work with is "miles per litre".
>
> with our forin car we used to work in km/gallon :-)

And I have a bottle of garden insecticide that tells me to use 3.5 ml per 2
pints of water!

Debbie


Robin Nicholson

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Jun 30, 2003, 6:48:49 PM6/30/03
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>I also travelled in an Ernie Thomas narrow boat.

>martin

Oh..a bird boat..which one? Do you remember Fred the engineer?

--
Robin

Eircomnet

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Brian, So Here You Also Lurk
:-)

Noel

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