age of a boat from index no
tony
age of her boat from the index no?
her index no. is 49334
Any ideas or ways to tell its age.
Tony
still wintering on the K & A (cannot cruise this summer)
Roy Collingwood
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i remember the '6' figure numbers came out in
1991/92
my was new in '91 qand that begins with a 5.....
hope this is a guide?
roy
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> age of her boat from the index no?
> her index no. is 49334
> Any ideas or ways to tell its age.
>
in an old waterways world (about 94 IIRC) there was a list of index numbers
and age.
48211 was in 1991 as that is the number of Idleness which was registered
with BW in 91 having spent two years off BW waters before that.
J
Ian W
Index number 49334 dates from 1990. Graham Booth's 'Inland Boat
Owners Book' has a full list in the appendices.
Ian
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> Owners Book' has a full list in the appendices.
>
> Ian
> nb Ichthus
>
Interesting..
Our boat PINNER was already number 62063 in 1990. I've no record of its
number before that but it was built around 1972.
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"Roy Collingwood" <r...@roycollingwood.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "tony" <tsu...@beeb.net> wrote in message
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>> A friend phoned me to say she could not get any
> details from BW of the
>> age of her boat from the index no?
>> her index no. is 49334
>> Any ideas or ways to tell its age.
>>
>> Tony
>> still wintering on the K & A (cannot cruise this
> summer)
>
>
> i remember the '6' figure numbers came out in
> 1991/92
Which 6 figure numbers?
There was a series of 1xxxxx numbers that are (almost) exclusively applied
to GRP boats.
Indeed it always looks as if the index numbering had different series for
different boat types.
3xxxx numbers are rare and always seem to be GRP
4xxxxx 5xxxx 6xxxx and 7xxxx are usually steel hulls
8xxxx are exclusively workboats (all since renumbered)
10xxxx are almost always GRP
most trade plates are in the 4xxxx series
> my was new in '91 qand that begins with a 5.....
It seems that the old system was finally swept away and a new series begun
at 500000 (what happened to 200000-499999)
They are now onto 51xxxx. Mr Jinks was allocated an index number in mid-may
and is 510242
Dave Mayall
"Ian W" <ianw[AT]claraDOTco.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "tony" <tsu...@beeb.net> wrote in message
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>>A friend phoned me to say she could not get any details from BW of the
>> age of her boat from the index no?
>> her index no. is 49334
>> Any ideas or ways to tell its age.
>>
>> Tony
>> still wintering on the K & A (cannot cruise this summer)
>
> Index number 49334 dates from 1990. Graham Booth's 'Inland Boat Owners
> Book' has a full list in the appendices.
The inland Boat owners book is by Andy Burnett
The narrowboat builders book is by Graham Booth and Andy Burnett
Which one is it??
Ian W
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Andy Burnett did the original book I believe (1995). The 'Inland Boat
Owners Book' I was referring to is the 3rd edition dated 2000 by
Graham Booth.
klog
Dave Mayall wrote:
<lots>
Fascinating! I'm almost tempted to start a "boat-spotting" notebook!
Where's my anorak...
Geoff (who's got a 1xxxxx plastic thingy)
Dave Mayall
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> Dave Mayall wrote:
> <lots>
>
>
> Fascinating! I'm almost tempted to start a "boat-spotting" notebook!
> Where's my anorak...
Pass mine whilst you're there will you!
John Bennett
>> Index number 49334 dates from 1990. Graham Booth's 'Inland Boat
>> Owners Book' has a full list in the appendices.
>>
>> Ian
>> nb Ichthus
>>
>
>Interesting..
>
>Our boat PINNER was already number 62063 in 1990. I've no record of its
>number before that but it was built around 1972.
That would correspond with "Jake B"s index number - 65820, also believed
to be a 1972 vintage narrowboat.
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Dave Mayall
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> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 David Beet <n...@theoldmalthouse.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Index number 49334 dates from 1990. Graham Booth's 'Inland Boat
>>> Owners Book' has a full list in the appendices.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>> nb Ichthus
>>>
>>
>>Interesting..
>>
>>Our boat PINNER was already number 62063 in 1990. I've no record of its
>>number before that but it was built around 1972.
>
> That would correspond with "Jake B"s index number - 65820, also believed
> to be a 1972 vintage narrowboat.
The obvious conclusion being that they weren't issued sequentially from
10000!
Genesis was a 1980 build - 52690
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Neil Arlidge
> A friend phoned me to say she could not get any details from BW of the
> age of her boat from the index no?
> her index no. is 49334
> Any ideas or ways to tell its age.
I would guess at 1989
You must be carefull that the BW index number really is the one given on
first regisration at new. John Chapman's NB Frogmoore II 45***, first
registered new in 1985. NB Beatty 51***, first registered in 1991. I think
it was afrer 54*** that BW scrapped the old system and went to the 5*****
system, which seems to be just given out as they are used up.
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Allan Jones
In 1972 they didn't have any numbers, they were introduced around (I think)
1980, and licensed retrospectively in the 6xxxx series (for non-commercial
narrow boats). So for boats pre 1980 the serial number gives no clue to age
(but possibly to the region in which they were licensed)
Several other ranges were allocated to other types of boat (work boats,
cruisers, etc) - notably the 8xxxx and 1xxxxx ranges, so when the 6xxxx
range and 7xxxx range were used up and they'd already allocated 8xxxx they
just went back down to 4xxxx and then 5xxxx. Upon nearing the end of the
5xxxx range they had nowhere else to go, so opted to go right up to 5xxxxx
(with the ?chairman? of BW being allocated 500000 as his personal plate).
I'd be very surprised at 52690 being a 1980 registration. Ours is 51257
which was November 1991.
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cor...@xtra.co.nz
>The obvious conclusion being that they weren't issued sequentially from
>10000!
> which seems to be just given out as they are used up.
That's right. The numbers were intoduced sometime during the 1980's
although I cannot recall when. The numbers were supplied to BWB in
boxes without the contents being indicated on the outside of the
boxes. So BWB simply opened the first box which was accessable in
their storage and issued. I had one of the first batch but can't
recall currently what the number was exactly; maybe in the 6xxxx
series. When that box of numbers was emptied the next accessable box
was opened and issued, with no consideration given to sequence or
relevence. Isn't that how the BWB have always operated!?
Peter C.
Dave Mayall
That would explain why GRP were in separate ranges!
GRP had adhesive numbers, narrowboats had aluminium plates.
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Roy Collingwood
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I think it was before 1983, as I purchased a boat
then, & was issed with a new number, (I got it off
the bridgewater canal, with one of the B...
numbers)
Roy
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My GRP boat has a metal plate: number 100xxx.
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> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:46:00 +0100, Dave Mayall
> <david....@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:54:00 GMT, cor...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>The obvious conclusion being that they weren't issued sequentially from
>>>>10000!
>>>
>>>> which seems to be just given out as they are used up.
>>>
>>>That's right. The numbers were intoduced sometime during the 1980's
>>>although I cannot recall when. The numbers were supplied to BWB in
>>>boxes without the contents being indicated on the outside of the
>>>boxes. So BWB simply opened the first box which was accessable in
>>>their storage and issued. I had one of the first batch but can't
>>>recall currently what the number was exactly; maybe in the 6xxxx
>>>series. When that box of numbers was emptied the next accessable box
>>>was opened and issued, with no consideration given to sequence or
>>>relevence. Isn't that how the BWB have always operated!?
>>
>>That would explain why GRP were in separate ranges!
>>
>>GRP had adhesive numbers, narrowboats had aluminium plates.
>
> My GRP boat has a metal plate: number 100xxx.
Is it an original plate?
They could, of course make new plates up, but my betting is that the
original allocations were done from stocks and that the different ranges
were different styles.
Mike Stevens
> That's right. The numbers were intoduced sometime during the 1980's
> although I cannot recall when.
I can pin it down to 1979 or early 1980. Going through old photos, I
discover that our then boat didn't carry number plates in the Autumn of 1979
but did in the Spring of 1980. So I guess that the scheme came in sometime
between when we renewed our licence in '79 (Jan or Feb, IIRC) and the same
date in '80. Her number was 60629.
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Stewart Kirby
snip
> You must be carefull that the BW index number really is the one given on
> first regisration at new. John Chapman's NB Frogmoore II 45***, first
> registered new in 1985. NB Beatty 51***, first registered in 1991. I think
> it was afrer 54*** that BW scrapped the old system and went to the 5*****
> system, which seems to be just given out as they are used up.
I agree with Neil. Our boat was first registered in 1990 but has the
number 502xxx which suggests that it was built in 1997. She was
actually re-registered and given a new number when we bought her in
1997 as the original number had some meaning (some to do with being
the engine number of an LMS loco)to the then owner and he transferred
it to a boat he was having built.
Stewart
tony
> "klog" <g...@klog.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > Dave Mayall wrote:
> > <lots>
> >
> >
> > Fascinating! I'm almost tempted to start a "boat-spotting" notebook!
> > Where's my anorak...
>
boat
index 69063 built in the 70's
was higher than than hers built in the 90's
Also I have seen a book listing boat index numbers only
which you cross off as you 'spot' them like Allans aircraft
listings-but honest I do not own one.
thanks again
Tony
n/b Dunstan
Built by Richard Dunston. Thorne South Yorks.
Ron Jones
You could buy whichever type you wanted. The plate ones were dearer.
Anyway, no ones mentioned the 9xxxx series! I feel mildly left out
My GRP boat (built 1966-9 - not 100% certain) is 92896 (still for sale on
AppolloDuck if anyone's interested.).
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Dave Mayall
wrote:
9xxxx were plastic plates issued in 1980/81 when plates were first
issued.
(guess who found his book on the bookshelf)
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Ed Harris
registration and not the age of the boat.
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Simon Atkinson
That's quite interesting as our Dawncraft is 48388 - obviously the boat
predates 91 and has been on the Nene since at least 95 - I wonder where
she was before...
Adrian Stott
Ed et al.,
A well-designed index system will do only one thing - provide a unique
identity number for the item being indexed (here, a boat).
Trying to make the numbering system "smart" (as in UK car numbers,
which originally could tell you which county the car was first
registered in, and even now purport to tell you the year of
manufacture) usually works very badly. For cars, they can move to
other counties, and might have been registered when they were imported
(which could be several years after manufacture) etc.
So it appears BW would also disagree with you about the point of the
system. It is to identify the boat, not to tell you its age.
The boat database at BW might well have another field for age, but I
doubt it. Age of original build? Age of rebuild, new bottom, etc.?
Age of conversion? Age of most recent conversion? What does
conversion mean? etc. etc. And anyway, why should BW care about boat
age?
Adrian
klog
Dave Mayall wrote:
<snip>
>
> (guess who found his book on the bookshelf)
>
Dave.
Congrats on finding your book. Thanks to this thread I HAD to buy the
book myself this week... (and a good read it is).
However, your first post confused the situation for newbies by
suggesting hull material was linked to the number, rather than the
plate material! There are two or three fellow GRP cruisers moored next
to mine; mine is the only one with a plastic reg plate. There's a few
steel boats with stick-on plates here, too. What a delightful mess for
wannabe spotters!
Dave Mayall
wrote:
>
>Dave Mayall wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> (guess who found his book on the bookshelf)
>>
>
>Dave.
>
>Congrats on finding your book. Thanks to this thread I HAD to buy the
>book myself this week... (and a good read it is).
>
>However, your first post confused the situation for newbies by
>suggesting hull material was linked to the number, rather than the
>plate material!
:-)
It is linked, in that (generally) GRP boats have plastic plates, and
Metal boats have metal plates!
There is of course a further confusion, in that the list shows the
plates as originally issued. BW started with a load of pre-made plates
and issued them. Replacement plates are made to order, and it is
entirely possible that the replacements will be of a different type.
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>> A friend phoned me to say she could not get any details from BW of
>> the
>> age of her boat from the index no?
>> her index no. is 49334
>> Any ideas or ways to tell its age.
>>
>> still wintering on the K & A (cannot cruise this summer)
>
> Owners Book' has a full list in the appendices.
>
> Ian
> nb Ichthus
>
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My Boat "Moments" has an index no of 31289 but is defineitely a steel narrow
boat built in 1989.
Les
NB Moments
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> > Index number 49334 dates from 1990. Graham Booth's 'Inland Boat > Owners Book' has a full list in the appendices.>> Ian > nb Ichthus>Interesting..Our boat PINNER was already number 62063 in 1990. I've no record of its number before that but it was built around 1972.David--- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004
Hi, I've never posted on a forum before, but I have been trying to trace what happened to the boat my family owned in my childhood. It was registered 62063 and named 'Frances Joanne' we bought it in 1981 and it was previouslsy called 'Antares' I would be happy to converse with current owner about restorations and history if they are interested.
Ally
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> Hi, I've never posted on a forum before, but I have been trying to trace
> what happened to the boat my family owned in my childhood. It was
> registered 62063 and named 'Frances Joanne' we bought it in 1981 and it
> was previouslsy called 'Antares' I would be happy to converse with current
> owner about restorations and history if they are interested.
> Ally
PINNER Built by JL PINDER & SON - Length 13.71 metres (45 feet ) - Beam 2.09
metres (6 feet 10 inches ) - Draft 0.69 metres (2 feet 3 inches ) Metal
hull, power of 18 BHP. Registered with British Waterways number 62063 as a
Powered. Last registration recorded on 20-Apr-2012.
Ron.
Ian McCarthy
PINNER Length 70ft!!!! - being totally rebuilt by the Fuller Family
young Joes first major project. Currently in their shed at Stone having
its bits hot riveted back together. Very impressive. :)
Discovered this public image to prove it is definitely NOT a washer Josher.
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvYMs37wT3s
I take it this is a different PINNER.
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Better get an up to date list of stoppage she says. You know what they are
like.
We live in Sussex and the boat is on the Mon & Brec in Wales
Look up Waterscrape for the latest information, JOKE!!!!!
http://www.waterscape.com/things-to-do/boating/stoppage/detail/5158/Lock+69,+Mon+%26+Brec+Canal
What do I find :- Stoppages for 2011. What use is that. Bugger all.
Is there any at BW, Cart call it what you will, interested the us, the
boater.
It cost about £50 a week for keep a boat. One would think for that sort of
money one would get a little bit of service.
fuel is due to go up by 4 pence a ltr any time now. OK may be not the red
but sure as hell my car to get there..
Somebody tell me they are interested can they, please.
Michael
Dances with Bears
Brian
> Better get an up to date list of stoppage she says. You know what they are
> like.
>
> We live in Sussex and the boat is on the Mon & Brec in Wales
>
> Look up Waterscrape for the latest information, JOKE!!!!!
>
> http://www.waterscape.com/things-to-do/boating/stoppage/detail/5158/Lock+69,+Mon+%26+Brec+Canal
>
>
> What do I find :- Stoppages for 2011. What use is that. Bugger all.
>
> Is there any at BW, Cart call it what you will, interested the us, the
> boater.
>
>
> fuel is due to go up by 4 pence a ltr any time now. OK may be not the red but
> sure as hell my car to get there..
>
> Somebody tell me they are interested can they, please.
>
> Michael
> Dances with Bears
http://www.waterscape.com/things-to-do/boating/stoppages/results?waterways%5B%5D=53&search_data_by%5B%5D=all&start_day=25&start_month=1&start_year=2013&end_period=all&end_day=25&end_month=6&end_year=2013&subtn=+Find+Stoppages+
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Not that is of much use for forward planning a list of the year's cruising.
Why on earth do Waterscape run two web pages giving out differing
information? Of course we all understand that no one can predict all
eventualities, indeed if only we could.
But for what our hobby cost us and for how much of our hard earned pension
we manage to scrape together and had over to BWB, BW, CART or what ever the
call them selves this year I do believe we are all due a little more
consideration. How much water do the canal take of the hills and field and
act as drainage? They are , in my humble opium, not a luxury for this nation
they are used by far more walkers and cyclist belting along the towpath than
us boaters. And as for dog crap , don't start me on that one.
You know Brian the older I get the more like Victor Mildew I feel.
Yes I having a moan, I deserve it, I've earnt it. so I'll have one.
There that better.
Michael
Dances with Bears
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Brian
>
> Not that is of much use for forward planning a list of the year's cruising.
> Why on earth do Waterscape run two web pages giving out differing
> information? Of course we all understand that no one can predict all
> eventualities, indeed if only we could.
>
> But for what our hobby cost us and for how much of our hard earned pension we
> manage to scrape together and had over to BWB, BW, CART or what ever the
> call them selves this year I do believe we are all due a little more
> consideration. How much water do the canal take of the hills and field and
> act as drainage? They are , in my humble opium, not a luxury for this nation
> they are used by far more walkers and cyclist belting along the towpath than
> us boaters. And as for dog crap , don't start me on that one.
>
> You know Brian the older I get the more like Victor Mildew I feel.
>
> Yes I having a moan, I deserve it, I've earnt it. so I'll have one.
>
> There that better.
>
>
> Michael
> Dances with Bears
>
finding the hours for Foxton Locks for next summer.
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