Are bandits really bad?
Newbie
which I understand to mean vandals, louts, unruly children and the
like.
As a complete tyro and potential canaller, I must admit that the
thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money in
future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from these
"bandits" is daunting.
Can anybody provide comments, or perhaps suggestions as to which canals
to avoid.
Many thanks,
Newbie
Drifter
You have to remember that reported incidents are fairly rare. Nobody
reports a day when they haven't been subject to anti-social behaviour,
so the situation seems exaggerated.
Hot-bed areas are being addressed, and in the long term, working with
local government, police, and even MPs these areas are soon dealt with.
Please don't let these reports put you off boating. Take a few simple
precautions [carry a camcorder/camera, boat through urban areas in the
company of a second boat] and you are unlikely to suffer.
See the thread on Cut Crime.
We are on to it.
Tony Haynes
NABO
Drifter
Martin wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2005 08:18:24 -0700, "Drifter" <thedr...@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> >See the thread on Cut Crime.
> >
> >We are on to it.
>
>
> AMSTERDAM - A 27-year-old man has admitted to police that he has
> flashed between 30 and 35 times in Maastricht since January.
>
> The man was particularly active in the Belfort en Daalhof residential
> districts in the city.
>
> He used to attract the attention of his victims by throwing stones at
> the window of their home. He dropped his pants once the person or
> persons came into investigate the noise. The man's behaviour caused
> unease in the areas, the police said on Thursday.
>
> He was released after questioning and he has given a commitment he
> will seek professional help for his compulsive behaviour.
> --
How come it's always ugly blokes, and not tasty women who do that sort
of thing?
Tony H
near Great Bottom Flash, on the Basy
Don Aitken
It can happen anywhere, just as it can happen in any street in any
town. Canals are not particularly singled out, and the problem is by
no means "constant"; I have experienced such incidents four times in
ten years of cruising all over the country. If we all avoided every
place where such things have happened, the entire system would rapidly
become a no-go area. Narrowboatworld are notorious scaremongers on
this subject.
--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"
Peter Stockdale
"Drifter" <thedr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> NABO
I just wonder if we are being a little bit "motorised" again ?
Nick Atty
wrote:
>On 5 Aug 2005 07:12:33 -0700, "Newbie" <aj...@arrl.net> wrote:
>
>>I have been reading the Narrowboat World website regarding "bandits",
>>which I understand to mean vandals, louts, unruly children and the
>>like.
>>
>>As a complete tyro and potential canaller, I must admit that the
>>thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money in
>>future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from these
>>"bandits" is daunting.
>>
>>Can anybody provide comments, or perhaps suggestions as to which canals
>>to avoid.
>>
>It can happen anywhere, just as it can happen in any street in any
>town. Canals are not particularly singled out, and the problem is by
>no means "constant"; I have experienced such incidents four times in
>ten years of cruising all over the country. If we all avoided every
>place where such things have happened, the entire system would rapidly
>become a no-go area. Narrowboatworld are notorious scaremongers on
>this subject.
That sounds about right - one incident every couple of years at most.
I'd say 10 incidents in half a dozen years of hiring plus 19 years of
boat ownership. And of those, only 2 that were in any way really
disturbing (for example I'm including having a water filled balloon
appear out of nowhere on the Macclesfield in my count - rather
startling, but hardly threatening or frightening).
--
On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
(Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)
TonyB
> >>thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money in
> >>future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from these
> >>"bandits" is daunting.
I feel I may be one but what exactly is a tyro?
We have had a couple of incidents on the Broads over the years - near
Belaugh local lads and lasses would swim in the water and try to catch the
rear of passing boats. Harmless I guess but it used to freak me out. I also
worried about their legs getting in the prop. I understand there were a few
incidents at Norwich yacht station when the pubs and clubs chucked out of
mooring ropes being cut or untied and one is advised by a sign to leave a
mudweight down. I have overnighted there two or three times and had no
problems however.
Everywhere else on the Broads seems perfectly OK, no stone throwing nor any
other problems so far.
TonyB
GwG
"TonyB" <Nor...@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dd0j10$d3a$1...@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> >>As a complete tyro and potential canaller, I must admit that the
>> >>thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money
>> >>in
>> >>future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from
>> >>these
>> >>"bandits" is daunting.
>
> I feel I may be one but what exactly is a tyro?
>
Tyro
Someone new to a field or activity
Source : Wordweb, a useful freestanding spell checker/thesaurus (free)
:-
http://wordweb.info/free/
Alan N Estherby
"GwG" <sorrythis...@guess.uk.co> wrote in message
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catamaran service to Guernsey and Jersey; the local jetski lads have taken
to skiing BETWEEN the hulls of the fast cat as it leaves Poole harbour! It
has become such a problem that the Poole Harbour Police now have an officer
(on a jetski, complete with little blue flashing light!) to escort the cat
beyond the limits of the harbour to discourage the more extrovert types...
Alan
Richard Lucas
> I feel I may be one but what exactly is a tyro?
Tyro = newbie
--
Best Regards
Richard
Neil Arlidge
From this years experience so far....The Runcorn "Arm"!
and that includes a good stoning from the bridge before the IWA Festival
site
--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
Follow the travels of the TNC at http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk
Burr
rookie, newcomer, novice, learner, neophyte, raw recruit, tyro, tenderfoot,
greenhorn, babe (slang), fledgling, novitiate, freshman, initiate, trainee,
prentice.
brianH
> I understand there were a few
> incidents at Norwich yacht station when the pubs and clubs chucked out of
> mooring ropes being cut or untied and one is advised by a sign to leave a
> mudweight down. I have overnighted there two or three times and had no
> problems however.
I thought they were trying to close the Norwich moorings for that reason
--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants
Bob Adams
Newbie <aj...@arrl.net> writes
>I have been reading the Narrowboat World website regarding "bandits",
>which I understand to mean vandals, louts, unruly children and the
>like.
>
>As a complete tyro and potential canaller, I must admit that the
>thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money in
>future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from these
>"bandits" is daunting.
>
>Can anybody provide comments, or perhaps suggestions
Don't read Narrowboat World.
--
Bob Adams - email address: bob55 at ntlworld.com
Peter Stockdale
"Bob Adams" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Better still, don't write N--------- W-----
Newbie - no way !
Brian J Goggin
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> wrote:
>Newbie wrote:
>> Can anybody provide comments, or perhaps suggestions as to which
>> canals to avoid.
>
>From this years experience so far....The Runcorn "Arm"!
>and that includes a good stoning from the bridge before the IWA Festival
>site
http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=47535&doy=6m8
bjg
Burr
Just get a 12g shotgun and blow the crap out of em. They won't throw rocks
at you any more.
I have given lots of thought to buying a NB and the only reason I have not
is because I don't think I could handle having stuff thrown at me with out
retaliating. I would have to have a slingshot or something.
Burr
Robin Nicholson
>Can anybody provide comments, or perhaps suggestions as to which canals
>to avoid.
Over the decades I have had few issues: Polesworth: targetted by three
chaps with air rifles, actually shot (well-it hit the engine room
hatch) Wolverton, abused by a guy in Loughborough :he dropped his
trousers etc from the top of a block of flats-so I responded with the
familiar hand gesture indicating modest size (which made him extremely
angry). Stoned at Bulls Bridge once, serious swearing from some 8 year
olds at Birchills, ditto at King's Norton, ditto+ stones on the Tame
Valley during a( daring) midday run during the school holidays. A hail
of chips on the Leeds and Liverpool; a randy swan pecking at the
rudder (same canal) having flown down the cut towards me.two instances
of drugs/syringes etc (Ryders Green & Farmers Bridge)
I think on balance I have had more trouble with what is under the
surface rather than above. Having a dummy camera on the hatch sorts
most things out, plus a few scowls whilst holding the short sharp boat
hook as if it were a spear.
I would not avoid any particular canal therefore but I would not go
down the Tame Valley slowly at the wrong time..nor would I moor up in
some of the risky twilight zones.
Cheers Robin
Andy Champ
KGB
Hi
Off topic, but a year or two ago a Newsagent somewhere in the UK
became so fed up with bricks being repeatedly thrown through his shop
windows that he replaced them with armour-plated glass.
The next brick that was thrown at the window by a yob, bounced back
off the glass, hit the yob in the head, splitting it wide open and
rendering him unconscious. The job's mother promptly sued the
newsagent for installing dangerous glass in his shop window!!!
Just imagine what the little sod's mother could have done had the
newsagent fired a slingshot at him.
Regards
KGB
KGB
wrote:
Hi
Oddly enough, there is a "follow up" to the above in today's
(07/08/05) Sunday Express:-
(quote)
"The burglar shot and wounded by farmer Tony Martin has been charged
after a fight between travellers and residents.
Two people were seriously injured in the punch-up at the Old Post
office pub in Brendan Fearon's home town of Newark. Notts. One person
needed 17 stitches to the head.
Fearon 34 and four others were arrested. He is charged with
possession of an offensive weapon and violent disorder and was
released on bail.
He is also due to appear at Nottingham Crown Court on August 28 to
enter pleas to six charges of possessing criminal property and 10
charges of using criminal property.
Fearon got Ł4,500 from the BBC to appear in a documentary about the
burglary at Martin's farmhouse in 1999 in which Fearon's teenage
accomplice was shot dead." (end of quote)
What a great pity that Tony Martin was such a bad shot!!!!!!
Regards
KGB
Peter Williams
> Off topic, but a year or two ago a Newsagent somewhere in the UK
> became so fed up with bricks being repeatedly thrown through his shop
> windows that he replaced them with armour-plated glass.
>
> The next brick that was thrown at the window by a yob, bounced back
> off the glass, hit the yob in the head, splitting it wide open and
> rendering him unconscious. The job's mother promptly sued the
> newsagent for installing dangerous glass in his shop window!!!
>
> Just imagine what the little sod's mother could have done had the
> newsagent fired a slingshot at him.
>
> Regards
>
>
> KGB
>
I heard this story about Wentworth High School, Southend on Sea, pavilion
back in 1960
The old ones are the best ones,
Peter
Neil Arlidge
I was feeling flushed, so downloaded link...yes I have thought about
something like this. Can't remember the link, but Bullnet or summat like
that of Southend??? Army suplus suppliers did a good range of pantball
stuff, along with some bl00dy serious looking crossbows!
I would think a CO2 cylinder powered paintball gun could be adapted to fire
other stuff.
The trouble is the three "attacks" on the Runcorn "Arm" were all from behind
parapits.
I have the occasional moan about bandits..........but at the end of the day
my crew do more damage to N Bear Nest! ;-)
In 38 years of canal cruising my parents and me have never had any glass
broken / anything stolen.
--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest - looks somewhat careworn....
Martin Clark
>I have the occasional moan about bandits..........but at the end of the day
>my crew do more damage to N Bear Nest! ;-)
It's the way you overwork them!
--
Martin Clark
Internet Boaters' Database http://www.auluk.freeserve.co.uk/boats
Pennine Waterways Website http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk
Dave Mayall
news:prCdnZ2dnZ1PR2KQnZ2dn...@giganews.com...
> I have the occasional moan about bandits..........but at the end of the
> day my crew do more damage to N Bear Nest! ;-)
> In 38 years of canal cruising my parents and me have never had any glass
> broken / anything stolen.
The odd thing is that we try to plan our cruises to avoid any likely trouble
spots.
This year, we suffered two incidents in places where I just wouldn't have
expected it.
1) A Sunday evening 10:30pm on the Stratford-upon-Avon Canal, just south of
Shirley. We'd had an early night, and were awoken by the sound of somebody
on the stern. Turned the lights on, and they scarpered with a mooring spike,
windlass, lump hammer and the tonneau cover.
2) A Monday evening, 7:00pm on the S&W just south of Autherley Jcn, stoned
by two 10-y/o girls with gravel from catapult.
Hugh Allen
wrote:
>>
>It can happen anywhere, just as it can happen in any street in any
>town. Canals are not particularly singled out, and the problem is by
>no means "constant"; I have experienced such incidents four times in
>ten years of cruising all over the country. If we all avoided every
>place where such things have happened, the entire system would rapidly
>become a no-go area. Narrowboatworld are notorious scaremongers on
>this subject.
Quite right. I.ve been shot at with an airgun in Dewsbury, Stoned
from a great height in Castleford, resisted reqests for a 'ride' ,
had maggots fired at me by angling lads etc.
I've also had poisitive encounters with local youths - opening bridges
and gates etc. On one occasion at Fall Ings lock we arrived to find
half a dozen 14/15 YO youths swimming in the lock and jumping in from
the bridge. The languager was dreadful. I began to empty the lock
after greeting them in what I thought was a cheerful and friendly
manner. They asked me if I would push an old sofa out of the lock
for them which we did. They seemed to have acquired their own
windlass and actually helped us through. After leaving the lock I was
surprised to find one of them trotting after us carrying my windlass
which I had left behind shouting "You've left yer f***ing 'andle
mate" and returning it to us.
The negative experiences are rare and should not be allowed to
dissuade anyone from taking to the canals.
David Wright
this. We can all come up with negative things but the nice stories far
outweigh them
David Wright
Caruso 2
Nick Atty
<da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>"Neil Arlidge" <ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:prCdnZ2dnZ1PR2KQnZ2dn...@giganews.com...
>
>> I have the occasional moan about bandits..........but at the end of the
>> day my crew do more damage to N Bear Nest! ;-)
>> In 38 years of canal cruising my parents and me have never had any glass
>> broken / anything stolen.
>
>The odd thing is that we try to plan our cruises to avoid any likely trouble
>spots.
>
>This year, we suffered two incidents in places where I just wouldn't have
>expected it.
Which is the best argument yet for not getting worked up about it. The
odd bit of antisocial behaviour can happen anywhere. I live in a pretty
reasonable part of town, yet we've had a stolen car burned out on the
roundabout 50 feet from my front door.
Alan N Estherby
"Newbie" <aj...@arrl.net> wrote in message
news:1123251153.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I have been reading the Narrowboat World website regarding "bandits",
> which I understand to mean vandals, louts, unruly children and the
> like.
>
> As a complete tyro and potential canaller, I must admit that the
> thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money in
> future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from these
> "bandits" is daunting.
>
> to avoid.
>
> Newbie
>
And just to show that boaters are not the only targets...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/4130888.stm
Alan
TonyB
> > thought of making a substantial investment of both time and money in
> > future canal use in the face of the constant threat of abuse from these
> > "bandits" is daunting.
Thanks for the Tyro definitions.
I haven't heard that Norwich Yacht Station is closing - they probably make a
fair bit of dosh from it - but rumours abound on the Broads at the moment.
There was a very powerful rumour that Potter Heigham bridge - air draft 6'
6" - was to ble closed but a quick email to the Authority proved that to be
false. Now there's another one that hire craft will not be allowed through
the same bridge. Unenforceable surely, as two yards north of the bridge have
hire fleets!!
Nice to see a few more narrowboats on the broads these days though.
TonyB
Drifter
ASBOlutely!!!
Lets keep it all in proportion, eh?
Tony H
[things are much quiter so far this year on the Basy..... touch wood.}
Dave Mayall
news:7c2ff1dfa5rfskoo6...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:35:09 +0100, "Dave Mayall"
> <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>"Neil Arlidge" <ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:prCdnZ2dnZ1PR2KQnZ2dn...@giganews.com...
>>
>>> I have the occasional moan about bandits..........but at the end of the
>>> day my crew do more damage to N Bear Nest! ;-)
>>> In 38 years of canal cruising my parents and me have never had any glass
>>> broken / anything stolen.
>>
>>The odd thing is that we try to plan our cruises to avoid any likely
>>trouble
>>spots.
>>
>>This year, we suffered two incidents in places where I just wouldn't have
>>expected it.
>
> Which is the best argument yet for not getting worked up about it. The
> odd bit of antisocial behaviour can happen anywhere. I live in a pretty
> reasonable part of town, yet we've had a stolen car burned out on the
> roundabout 50 feet from my front door.
Yes and no.
It shows that you can't escape trouble just by knowing where the hotspots
are (unless somebody wants to tell me that south of Shirley Drawbridge is a
hotspot).
What you can do is recognise that there are places where it wouldn't be wise
to moor, and places where one should take additional precautions passing
through.
The other thing that we can all do is recognise that there is a regrettable
increase in the number of people who choose to behave to the detriment of
others, and taht these people seem to have no fear of the consequences of
their behaviour.
Drifter
Dave Mayall wrote:
[ff]
>
> The other thing that we can all do is recognise that there is a regrettable
> increase in the number of people who choose to behave to the detriment of
> others, and taht these people seem to have no fear of the consequences of
> their behaviour.
I think effective increased consequences will have to happen, and that
will mean changes in the law. Yob behaviour is by no means limited to
canals. It is a growing canker on our PC society. The yobs have more
'rights' than the victims.
There is evidence in the central Manchester area that getting an ASBO
is a requirement of gang membership. This may be urban myth, but
somehow I doubt it. Certainly electronic tagging devices are worn with
a sense of pride by some idiots.
So... what should that deterrent be?
I actually favour compulsory call-up into non-combatant summer training
camps where the kids are taught the social skills that their own
parents seem to lack. They can spend some of the time cleaning up the
mess that their peers have made, and be shown how to use their hands to
do something positive, enjoyable and skilful, instead of using them to
destroy.
This may be extreme, but it appears to work in some American States.
But of course they are inclined to lock up the morons and throw away
the key, too, if they won't comply.
Certainly, the regime I experienced at HMS Ganges as a 15/16 year old
RN recruit was harsh..... but it changed me from a would-be teddyboy
layabout into a boat dwelling old boy layabout.... via a couple of
enjoyable careers. I remember that some lads were there because they'd
been given the choice between Ganges and borstal.
Tony H
laying about on what's left of the Basy
Greg Chapman
"TonyB" <Nor...@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I haven't heard that Norwich Yacht Station is closing - they probably make
> a
> fair bit of dosh from it - but rumours abound on the Broads at the
> moment.
So if you are hearing them, why aren't you posting them all on the
NSBroadsboating list?
> There was a very powerful rumour that Potter Heigham bridge - air draft 6'
> 6" - was to ble closed but a quick email to the Authority proved that to
> be
> false.
Ah! It's that you know they're all false!
> Now there's another one that hire craft will not be allowed through
> the same bridge. Unenforceable surely, as two yards north of the bridge
> have
> hire fleets!!
BTW, who does pay the Bridge Pilots to sit there?
> Nice to see a few more narrowboats on the broads these days though.
No it's not! Keep 'em on the waterways they were designed for!
Instead, lets call for a lot more modern day wherries - things that look
like wherrries, except that they'll have no mast (though they must still be
fitted with a tabernacle, so their owners can pretend they have a mast at
home) and are fitted with a massive diesel engine encased in so much sound
deadening lead that people start a rumour that they are really nuclear
powered, not forgetting a mighty bow thruster, of course, and made of
glassfibre rather than wood (in the way that a modern narrowboat is made of
steel rather than wood), and let them fit them out with an full length
cabin, and have them all rush around in fishermen's smocks and sou'westers
pretending that that's they way that's appropriate for a wherryman to dress.
Oh. and fill all the portholes with little lace doilies - oops! wrong
tradition again....
--
Greg Chapman
http://www.waterwaysguides.co.uk
for updates to Nicholson, Imray and Pearsons Guides - and lots more!
Drifter
Greg Chapman wrote:
[ff]
>
> > Nice to see a few more narrowboats on the broads these days though.
>
> No it's not! Keep 'em on the waterways they were designed for!
>
H'mmmm.... if ever they get the Waveney navigable through Bungay to the
Cambridge Fens, you might have to get used to it....
Tony H
Jeremy Nunns
Chapman <greg.ea...@virgin.net> writes
>
>> Now there's another one that hire craft will not be allowed through
>> the same bridge. Unenforceable surely, as two yards north of the bridge
>> have
>> hire fleets!!
>
>BTW, who does pay the Bridge Pilots to sit there?
>
>> Nice to see a few more narrowboats on the broads these days though.
>
>No it's not! Keep 'em on the waterways they were designed for!
I'd tend to agree with that - although I'll be inconsistent and say
that I'd quite like to have a narrowboat of my own there!
--
Jeremy Nunns
Cambridge
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Jeremy Nunns
<Nor...@soxclara.co.uk> writes
>
>I haven't heard that Norwich Yacht Station is closing - they probably make a
>fair bit of dosh from it - but rumours abound on the Broads at the moment.
>There was a very powerful rumour that Potter Heigham bridge - air draft 6'
>6" - was to ble closed but a quick email to the Authority proved that to be
>false. Now there's another one that hire craft will not be allowed through
>the same bridge. Unenforceable surely, as two yards north of the bridge have
>hire fleets!!
>
>Nice to see a few more narrowboats on the broads these days though.
>TonyB
>
>
The idea of Potter Bridge being 'closed' (even to hire craft) would be
so incredibly unpopular to the Yachting fraternity - still a moderate
voice in the way things work - that it would be out of the question.
However, some (maybe many) boatyards say that a particular boat of
theirs is 'too big' to fit through the bridge, so do not allow hirers to
take it through, even with the compulsory pilot.
Also, it only has 6' 6" (in the middle) on a good day and a pretty low
tide - I went through twice last week, once at nearly that height
(with loads of room), and once at 6' 3", when I only had a couple of
inches. On those trips, I was in a yacht (with a very narrow point
where it has maximum air draft), but I am authorised by one of the boat
yards above the bridge to take their Cruisers through; these boats have
handrails on the sides of the cabin which is quite a snug fit when the
water is high (I've taken a 43' Silver Jubilee through with 6' 2").
TonyB
> Instead, lets call for a lot more modern day wherries - things that look
> like wherrries, except that they'll have no mast (though they must still
be
> fitted with a tabernacle, so their owners can pretend they have a mast at
> home) and are fitted with a massive diesel engine encased in so much sound
> deadening lead that people start a rumour that they are really nuclear
> powered, not forgetting a mighty bow thruster, of course, and made of
> glassfibre rather than wood (in the way that a modern narrowboat is made
of
> steel rather than wood), and let them fit them out with an full length
> cabin, and have them all rush around in fishermen's smocks and sou'westers
> pretending that that's they way that's appropriate for a wherryman to
dress.
> Oh. and fill all the portholes with little lace doilies - oops! wrong
> tradition again....
Nuclear powered? Um, that's set me thinking....
TonyB
Nick Atty
I'm not totally sure that there are you know. For example, one of the
random quotes on canalplan's home page is from 1937:
You cannot suddenly, out of the blue, ask the Chancellor of the
Exchequer:
"Whether he is aware that a small boy of repulsive appearance threw a
stone the size of a duck's egg at the passengers in Mr. Haddock's boat
proceeding under Lambeth Bridge on July 4th last, and nearly killed a
lady-mariner, and what does he propose to do about it?"
For the Chancellor of the Exchequer is not responsible for small boys
or Lambeth Bridge.
Steve Heaven
wrote:
>How come it's always ugly blokes, and not tasty women who do that sort
>of thing?
We had a young lady pull up her tee shirt and flash her boobs to us at
Hatton once.
Ive no idea why she did it!
Steve
Paul E. Bennett
While Dave Green and myself were walking East to Saltford Marina along the
towpath from The Jolly Sailor we came across a couple of young ladies in
nothing but the skimpiest of bikini briefs, laid out catching the sun. It
was a very pleasant day. ;>
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Martin Clark
<makes a note to re-visit Hatton>
Nick Atty
wrote:
It happened to us in Upton this spring. I suspect alcohol may have had
a part to play.
brianH
"Drifter" <thedr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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That WOULD be nice
--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants
Peter Headland
lads on a nother boat. One of our party was a well-endowed lass and the
rowdy lads yelled comments like "show us yer tits then, luv". So she
did - and the rowdy lads instantly became quiet and embarrassed lads.
--
Peter Headland
Peter Headland
> in any street in any town.
That's a little disingenuous. It's probably 1,000x more likely to
happen on the Ashton mid afternoon on a sunny day during school
holidays than it is at 7 in the morning on a rainy day on a rural
length of the Llangollen.
My advice is avoid depressed urban areas after about 10:00 in the
morning (scallys do like their lie-in). Last time we did the Ashton
(just 2 of us) we started at Portland Basin at about 05:30, got down
the whole lot by mid morning, and the only mild hassle we had was
seeing druggies lurking in the shadows under the tower block on the
Rochdale. On previous trips (with bigger crews) on the Ashton we have
had kids jumping onto the boat, looking for stuff to nick (we had the
doors locked both ends, windows closed and all curtains drawn, so they
drew a blank).
--
Peter Headland
Peter Headland
That surprises me.
> just south of Autherley Jcn
That doesn't surprise me one bit. You have to get well south of
Autherley before you are clear of yob (yobbette?) territory.
--
Peter Headland
Martin Clark
>> It can happen anywhere, just as it can happen
>> in any street in any town.
>
>That's a little disingenuous. It's probably 1,000x more likely to
>happen on the Ashton mid afternoon on a sunny day during school
>holidays than it is at 7 in the morning on a rainy day on a rural
>length of the Llangollen.
>
dozen times in the last few years with NO TROUBLE at all. Some of these
trips were in the afternoon on a Sunday or school holiday. The Ashton is
now no worse than any other urban canal. I have been on boats that have
had stones thrown at them in just four or five locations over many
hundreds of miles of boating and none of those happened on the Ashton.
>My advice is avoid depressed urban areas after about 10:00 in the
>morning (scallys do like their lie-in). Last time we did the Ashton
>(just 2 of us) we started at Portland Basin at about 05:30, got down
>the whole lot by mid morning, and the only mild hassle we had was
>seeing druggies lurking in the shadows under the tower block on the
>Rochdale.
I think it likely that these people were not druggies. How long ago was
that? The shadowy recesses have been blocked in for several years now.
>On previous trips (with bigger crews) on the Ashton we have
>had kids jumping onto the boat, looking for stuff to nick (we had the
>doors locked both ends, windows closed and all curtains drawn, so they
>drew a blank).
>
Previous trips? How long ago were those? The Ashton was certainly a
dodgy place to boat years ago, but not these days. The Ashton is now no
worse than any other urban canal. Sadly, it's people like you who keep
repeating old tales of incidents that happened long ago that makes some
people scared to go near the Ashton today, even though they are just as
likely to have trouble on other canals.
Bob Adams
<nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>We had a young lady pull up her tee shirt and flash her boobs to us at
>>Hatton once.
>>Ive no idea why she did it!
>
>It happened to us in Upton this spring. I suspect alcohol may have had
>a part to play.
You should take more water with it.
Bob
--
Bob Adams - nb Rivendell. email address: bob55 at ntlworld.com
Dave Mayall
"Peter Headland" <PHea...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1123713662.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Our previous experience, on the 4 counties, suggested that Autherley was
pretty much OK.
This time, we were heading from the Wolverhampton flight onto the Shroppie.
Going down the Wolverhampton flight late afternoon had been somewhat
disconcerting, as there were some dubious looking characters, including some
who seemed to be following us. Clearing the bottom of the flight had been
something of a relief. It was 7pm, and we were looking to moor as soon as we
found some sheet piling (having had the lump hammer nicked the previous
night, we needed armco). Autherley seemed to be a target to make for, yet
only half a mile short of it we got stoned.
Watering by Autherley jcn was a PITA, with a fisherman who point blank
ignored us when politely asked to move away from the water point, and large
numbers of kids intent on trouble. As we headed away along the Shroppie. 3
little darlings amused themselves by chucking bricks in just ahead of our
bow, so that we daren't go any faster than they permitted.
It made for a late night running for open country near Brewood.
Dave Mayall
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:30:42 +0100, "Dave Mayall"
> <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>The other thing that we can all do is recognise that there is a
>>regrettable
>>increase in the number of people who choose to behave to the detriment of
>>others, and taht these people seem to have no fear of the consequences of
>>their behaviour.
>
> I'm not totally sure that there are you know. For example, one of the
> random quotes on canalplan's home page is from 1937:
>
> You cannot suddenly, out of the blue, ask the Chancellor of the
> Exchequer:
>
> "Whether he is aware that a small boy of repulsive appearance threw a
> stone the size of a duck's egg at the passengers in Mr. Haddock's boat
> proceeding under Lambeth Bridge on July 4th last, and nearly killed a
> lady-mariner, and what does he propose to do about it?"
>
> For the Chancellor of the Exchequer is not responsible for small boys
> or Lambeth Bridge.
So, in 1937, such an event caused questions in parliament.
Seems like a good piece of evidence in support of my point that sticcking
two fingers up at society is on the increase.
Dave Mayall
news:jtdmf1htgkuo72rpv...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:58:31 +0100, "Dave Mayall"
> <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>> For the Chancellor of the Exchequer is not responsible for small boys
>>> or Lambeth Bridge.
>>
>>So, in 1937, such an event caused questions in parliament.
>>
>>Seems like a good piece of evidence in support of my point that sticcking
>>two fingers up at society is on the increase.
>>
>
Must go and moor outside her house soon.
Dave Mayall
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:06:50 +0100, "Dave Mayall"
> <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:jtdmf1htgkuo72rpv...@4ax.com...
>>> It's taken your mind off the harridan.
>>
>>Must go and moor outside her house soon.
>
> I miss your reports :-)
:-)
> Now, about the mad lock keeper of Linton-on-Ouse.
Not met that one.
Bev met a mad woman on the Stratford Canal.
She has a knack of meeting mad people (yes, I know, probably how she met
me). We reckon she has a light on her head that only mad people can see that
says "come and talk to me".
As I said afterwards, "Women wandering the towpath picking bunches of weeds
whilst muttering to themself are seldom the type that one can have a
stimulating conversation with."
Peter Headland
Read http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=disingenuous and then
tell me: are you suggesting that I am lying when I say that there are
obvious high-risk areas (or did you just not know the meaning of the
word)? For the record, I am indeed saying you were being deliberately
misleading by implying that the risk is uniform across the whole
network when you know damn' well it isn't.
As to the rest, the last time we went down the Ashton was about 6-7
years ago. The people lurking around and under the tower block gave
every appearance of people who were dealing and/or doing drugs, and the
place was littered with syringes, but I am sure you know best.
If things have improved on the Ashton in recent years that is good news
(but maybe you are 6' 6", built like a rugby player and accompanied by
a large crew, in which case your experience is unlikely to be
universally applicable). Do you expect me to believe that there are now
no "black spots" on the network?
> it's people like you...
We had several holidays significantly marred by yobbish behaviour, to
the extent that I sometimes wondered whether I wanted to keep on taking
canal holidays (we moved to the USA 4.5 years ago, which put an end to
~25 years of canal holidays). We learned to take prudent precautions
(passing through dodgy urban areas early in the morning) for our own
peace of mind. People like you want to pretend that such precautions
are not justified or necessary and imply (or state outright as some
have done in this thread) that it's the victims' fault for getting
needlessly worried/upset. I find that contemptible - it's the yobbos
and those who let them get away with it that are the problem, not some
irrational cowardice on the part of the victims.
If there have been significant improvements to security on the network,
it's people like me complaining about these issues that have brought
them about, not people like you claiming that everything is rosy.
--
Peter Headland
Drifter
Martin wrote:
> North Sea?
> --
What is being eroded away is being deposited elsewhere. Over many years
the shape of East Anglia may change a little, but I don't see the sea
encroaching that far inland for a millenium or two.... not unless the
ice-cap suddenly melts....... [gulp].
Tony H
Dave Mayall
> As to the rest, the last time we went down the Ashton was about 6-7
> years ago.
So, hardly current then.
> The people lurking around and under the tower block gave
> every appearance of people who were dealing and/or doing drugs, and the
> place was littered with syringes, but I am sure you know best.
The area under 111 Piccadilly has changed significantly. The old towpath has
been walled off, and a new wooden walkway installed which goes in a straight
line to the lock rather than turning off to the side. The whole walkway is
more visble from the lock above. There just aren't the nooks and crannies
for people up to no good to lurk in.
> If things have improved on the Ashton in recent years that is good news
It is. Unfortunately the good news doesn't spread, because people continue
to tell stories about just how bad the Ashton is, which are woefully out of
date.
> (but maybe you are 6' 6", built like a rugby player and accompanied by
> a large crew, in which case your experience is unlikely to be
> universally applicable).
I believe that I can vouch for the fact that Martin is NOT 6' 6", nor is he
build like a brick privy.
A picture of him is available in one of this month's magazines, so you can
judge for yourself whether his appearance is sufficient to send your average
chave whimpering home to mummy.
> Do you expect me to believe that there are now
> no "black spots" on the network?
Define "black spot".
There are certainly places I wouldn't moor.
There are places I wouldn't stop.
There are places I wouldn't pass through light handed.
The Ashton Canal isn't one of them/
>> it's people like you...
>
> We had several holidays significantly marred by yobbish behaviour,
Yes, it has certainly happened. Our holiday was marred by having £200 worth
of stuff nicked in an upmarket area. Go figure.
>We learned to take prudent precautions
> (passing through dodgy urban areas early in the morning) for our own
> peace of mind.
Very sensible.
> People like you want to pretend that such precautions
> are not justified or necessary
I don't think that anybody has suggested that it is not necessary to take
precautions when going through inner city areas.
What has been stated is that the picture you paint of the Ashton is at odds
with the reallity.
> If there have been significant improvements to security on the network,
> it's people like me complaining about these issues that have brought
> them about, not people like you claiming that everything is rosy
What?!?!
Nobody is claiming everything is rosy.
People are saying that the severe problem that did exist is no longer
present.
As to why that happened.... Well, many factors were involved, but I'd lay
odds that prophets of doom telling everybody to stay away, and reducing boat
movements still further were not a major factor in making it safer.
BTW, when considering who can give the best account of the safety or
otherwise of the Ashton Canal, you should consider the following questions;
1) How close to the scene does each person live (Martin and I live within a
couple of miles of the Ashton Canal)
2) How recently has each person travelled on the canal (I've been there
within the last couple of months, Martin probably more recently)
3) How recently has each person done any boating at all (Martin and I were
both at the tiller when I saw him two weeks ago)
Martin Clark
>> That is more than a little disingenuous.
>
>Read http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=disingenuous and then
>tell me: are you suggesting that I am lying when I say that there are
>obvious high-risk areas (or did you just not know the meaning of the
>word)?
>
who said what. I used the word disingenuous because that was the word
you used in reply to Don. Are you now saying that you were suggesting
that Don was lying when he said "It can happen anywhere, just as it can
happen in any street in any town"?
> For the record, I am indeed saying you were being deliberately
>misleading by implying that the risk is uniform across the whole
>network when you know damn' well it isn't.
For the record, it was Don Aitken to whom you were replying. I didn't
say anything about uniform risk. Nor did Don for that matter. You seem
to be reading into posts what you want to see.
>As to the rest, the last time we went down the Ashton was about 6-7
>years ago. The people lurking around and under the tower block gave
>every appearance of people who were dealing and/or doing drugs, and the
>place was littered with syringes, but I am sure you know best.
>
The recesses alongside Lock 85 were infamous as the haunt of rent boys
and their clients. So I am told. I expect some drug dealing went on as
well.
>If things have improved on the Ashton in recent years that is good news
>(but maybe you are 6' 6", built like a rugby player and accompanied by
>a large crew, in which case your experience is unlikely to be
>universally applicable).
I don't believe that description matches me in any way. Nevertheless, I
have not found any reason to feel intimidated on the Ashton or the
Rochdale Nine. My experience is that of the majority of people who have
boated on the Ashton in recent years. A few people have had bad
experiences, but that is true of many other places on the canals.
>Do you expect me to believe that there are now
>no "black spots" on the network?
>
Have I said anything like that? Again, you seem to be reading what you
want into what has been said.
>> it's people like you...
>
>We had several holidays significantly marred by yobbish behaviour, to
>the extent that I sometimes wondered whether I wanted to keep on taking
>canal holidays (we moved to the USA 4.5 years ago, which put an end to
>~25 years of canal holidays).
So you have no recent experience of this canal? I repeat - it is people
like you, who have not been on the canal for many years but who continue
to recite how terrible it is who give the canal an unjustified
continuing bad reputation.
>We learned to take prudent precautions
>(passing through dodgy urban areas early in the morning) for our own
>peace of mind. People like you want to pretend that such precautions
>are not justified or necessary
I have said no such thing. Whenever I have offered advice to anyone
contemplating the Ashton Canal, I advise choosing schooldays where
possible, starting as early in the day as practicable and making sure
the front doors of the boat are locked. These are precautions that I
would advise on many other urban canals.
>and imply (or state outright as some
>have done in this thread) that it's the victims' fault for getting
>needlessly worried/upset. I find that contemptible - it's the yobbos
>and those who let them get away with it that are the problem, not some
>irrational cowardice on the part of the victims.
>
Who said that? I don't recall seeing that in this thread. I certainly
didn't say it.
>If there have been significant improvements to security on the network,
>it's people like me complaining about these issues that have brought
>them about, not people like you claiming that everything is rosy.
>
I didn't say everything was rosy, either. I just said that I have had no
trouble on my journeys on the Ashton. That doesn't mean that there is
never any trouble or that sensible precautions need not be taken. Most
people who boat on that canal have no problems with yobs, so it is
unfair to quote examples from years ago and suggest that they are still
typical.
As others have said on this thread (and many others before it),
unpleasant experiences on the canals are rare, fortunately. It seems to
me that it doesn't help to have an atmosphere of fear whipped up by
websites that go on at length about "bandits" or to have people dredging
up old incidents that happened on canals that have since improved, but
I'm sure you know best.
Greg Chapman
"Martin Clark" <mar...@spl.at> wrote in message
news:Bo2d8tBA...@no.spam.please...
> Previous trips? How long ago were those? The Ashton was certainly a dodgy
> place to boat years ago, but not these days. The Ashton is now no worse
> than any other urban canal. Sadly, it's people like you who keep repeating
> old tales of incidents that happened long ago that makes some people
> scared to go near the Ashton today, even though they are just as likely to
> have trouble on other canals.
Too true! The only place that I have been stoned (actually it was 1.5"
diameter, hard as nails apples), was from the banks of the Caldon, while
passing the new and very middle class housing development north of Bridge
14. It was however, a gloriously sunny day in August.
--
Greg Chapman
http://www.waterwaysguides.co.uk
for updates to Nicholson, Imray and Pearsons Guides - and lots more!
David Long
<da...@research-group.co.uk> writes
>"Peter Headland" <PHea...@excite.com> wrote in message
>news:1123772675.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> a large crew, in which case your experience is unlikely to be
>> universally applicable).
>
>I believe that I can vouch for the fact that Martin is NOT 6' 6", nor is he
>build like a brick privy.
>
>A picture of him is available in one of this month's magazines, so you can
>judge for yourself whether his appearance is sufficient to send your average
>chave whimpering home to mummy.
>
he could do without).
>3) How recently has each person done any boating at all (Martin and I were
>both at the tiller when I saw him two weeks ago)
>
Yup, that's how I remember him - whilst the rest of us were doing the
hard work!
--
David Long
Sankey Canal Restoration Society http://www.scars.org.uk/
St. Mary's http://www.geocities.com/andrew_fishburn/stmary1.html
http://www.scars.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/webcam/
Martin Clark
>In message <3m194lF...@individual.net>, Dave Mayall
><da...@research-group.co.uk> writes
>>"Peter Headland" <PHea...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> a large crew, in which case your experience is unlikely to be
>>> universally applicable).
>>
>>I believe that I can vouch for the fact that Martin is NOT 6' 6", nor is he
>>build like a brick privy.
>>
>>A picture of him is available in one of this month's magazines, so you can
>>judge for yourself whether his appearance is sufficient to send your average
>>chave whimpering home to mummy.
>>
>I can confirm, he's your original 7 stone weakling
Some of us dream of being 7 stone weaklings :o)
>(with a bit of weight he could do without).
>
Ah, that's more like it!
>>3) How recently has each person done any boating at all (Martin and I were
>>both at the tiller when I saw him two weeks ago)
>>
>Yup, that's how I remember him - whilst the rest of us were doing the
>hard work!
Hey! I was taking a rest! Wigan was the first lock flight I had steered
through on the L&L, having been on windlass duty at all the other locks
from Leeds!
Paul E. Bennett
> What is being eroded away is being deposited elsewhere. Over many years
> the shape of East Anglia may change a little, but I don't see the sea
> encroaching that far inland for a millenium or two.... not unless the
> ice-cap suddenly melts....... [gulp].
If free floating icebergs melt there is no change of sea level. However, if
the land-based ice (glaciers etc) melt then the sea level will rise
considerably. So, keep an eye on Antarctica and the High Himalayas. We
would get an early warning from those areas.
Peter Headland
> and reducing boat movements still further were not
> a major factor in making it safe
Not what I said. What I said was that people complaining to BW and the
police when they experienced incidents was what got things improved.
And I certainly don't tell people to stay away from the canals in
general, or even any specific stretches of canal, just advise sensible
precautions.
I am really glad to hear that the Ashton is no longer a "black spot" to
pass through with only 2 people, because the Cheshire Ring is a real
favourite of ours. OTOH, it seems apparent that other areas have become
problematic in their turn and the problem has become more widespread
and less specific to areas of urban deprivation.
I first holidayed on the canals in 1975 and, as I noted previously, did
so pretty-much annually until we moved to the USA at the end of 2000.
During that period it was very obvious that antisocial behaviour was
increasing steadily (with inevitable local fluctuations either side of
the overall trend). Of course the same does apply to life in the UK in
general.
Antisocial behaviour and rising petty crime, coupled with the police's
inability to do anything about it, is one of the reasons we left the
UK. Here in California it is very obvious how much less litter,
vandalism, graffiti, loutish behaviour, petty crime, etc. there is
compared to the UK, even in notably "rough" areas - such behaviour
simply is not tolerated the way it is in the UK. In the past 4.5 years
I haven't heard of anyone I know having their car broken into; by
contrast my car was broken into twice in the 4.5 years before I left
the UK, and I was very careful where I left it.
--
Peter Headland
Peter Stockdale
"Dave Mayall" <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3m194lF...@individual.net...
>
> The area under 111 Piccadilly has changed significantly. The old towpath
> has been walled off, and a new wooden walkway installed which goes in a
> straight line to the lock rather than turning off to the side. The whole
> walkway is more visble from the lock above. There just aren't the nooks
> and crannies for people up to no good to lurk in.
D.M.
Pity- I for one used to enjoy a good lurk in those nooks and crannies !
I was one of those doing nothing bad of course.
I must start a nook and cranny preservation club.
Martin Clark
>> has been walled off, and a new wooden walkway installed which goes in a
>> straight line to the lock rather than turning off to the side. The whole
>> walkway is more visble from the lock above. There just aren't the nooks
>> and crannies for people up to no good to lurk in.
>
>I was one of those doing nothing bad of course.
>I must start a nook and cranny preservation club.
>
I went there in about 1999 to try to take some photos. I was immediately
approached by a bloke so I took one photo and made a hasty exit without
waiting to see whether he wanted to sell me drugs or his body!
I went there 2 weeks ago on my own, Friday mid-morning, to set the lock.
There wasn't anybody around at all. So different from how it used to be.
Peter Headland
> posts or attributing who said what
First misattribution ever in several thousand posts over more than a
decade on USENET, in fact. But I have to admit I was in a bad mood when
I wrote my original post (dealing with a &@$!! little jobsworth at
work) and I can see that I took various comments in this thread the
wrong way, for which I apologise.
--
Peter Headland
Drifter
Paul E. Bennett wrote:
> Drifter wrote:
>
> > What is being eroded away is being deposited elsewhere. Over many years
> > the shape of East Anglia may change a little, but I don't see the sea
> > encroaching that far inland for a millenium or two.... not unless the
> > ice-cap suddenly melts....... [gulp].
>
> If free floating icebergs melt there is no change of sea level. However, if
> the land-based ice (glaciers etc) melt then the sea level will rise
> considerably. So, keep an eye on Antarctica and the High Himalayas. We
> would get an early warning from those areas.
That's an interesting one.
If an iceburg displaces its own weight, but not its own volume of water
[one tenth of the volume being visible above the surface], then on
melting it should add one tenth of its volume of water to the
sea....... shouldn't it?
Tony H
Martin Clark
defender of the Ashton Canal!
Peter Stockdale
>>>
> Did anyone take an interest in you, Pete?
> I went there in about 1999 to try to take some photos. I was immediately
> approached by a bloke so I took one photo and made a hasty exit without
> waiting to see whether he wanted to sell me drugs or his body!
>
> I went there 2 weeks ago on my own, Friday mid-morning, to set the lock.
> There wasn't anybody around at all. So different from how it used to be.
> --
> Martin Clark
>
No - I was always careful to lurk in nooks and crannies that were otherwise
unoccupied.
Pete
Peter Stockdale
No !
Pete
Burr
That's nice Peter, thank you.
Have a better day tomorrow.
Burr
"Peter Stockdale" <peter....@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:3m1nnmF...@individual.net...
Why not?
Burr
Peter Stockdale
"Burr" <pi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:aVNKe.12187$0d.2894@trnddc06...
>
>>>
>>> That's an interesting one.
>>>
>>> If an iceburg displaces its own weight, but not its own volume of water
>>> [one tenth of the volume being visible above the surface], then on
>>> melting it should add one tenth of its volume of water to the
>>> sea....... shouldn't it?
>>>
>>> Tony H
>>
>> No !
>>
>> Pete
>>
>
> Why not?
>
> Burr
Perhaps it is because an iceberg is not just water.
Or if I should have said Yes! - then its to do with salinity of sea water
giving the freshwater more buoyancy.
Pete (hedging bets on the Shroppie)
Nick Atty
<da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>> You cannot suddenly, out of the blue, ask the Chancellor of the
>> Exchequer:
>>
>> "Whether he is aware that a small boy of repulsive appearance threw a
>> stone the size of a duck's egg at the passengers in Mr. Haddock's boat
>> proceeding under Lambeth Bridge on July 4th last, and nearly killed a
>> lady-mariner, and what does he propose to do about it?"
>>
>> For the Chancellor of the Exchequer is not responsible for small boys
>> or Lambeth Bridge.
>
>So, in 1937, such an event caused questions in parliament.
'frayed knot. It was a hypothetical example of the sort of question you
couldn't ask in parliament. In an article by a chap who now has a lock
named after him.
--
On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk
(Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)
Paul E. Bennett
Icebergs are fresh-water ice which is less dense than the sea water it
floats in.
Richard
When it melts the volume decreases because water is heavier.
--
Richard
Drifter
Richard wrote:
> >>>If an iceburg displaces its own weight, but not its own volume of water
> >>>[one tenth of the volume being visible above the surface], then on
> >>>melting it should add one tenth of its volume of water to the
> >>>sea....... shouldn't it?
> >>>
> >>>Tony H
> >>
> >>No !
> >>
> >>Pete
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why not?
> >
> > Burr
> >
> >
> Density of ice is less than the density of water - hence ice floats.
> When it melts the volume decreases because water is heavier.
>
> --
Of course. That's why pipes burst in the winter. I should have realised
that, as an ex-plumber. The volume of ice is greater than that of the
water that freezes.... but is it one tenth more volume? I suppose it
must be.
No doubt someone on here will have a formula.
Tony H
Burr
That sounds right, I understand!!
Neil Arlidge
>> It can happen anywhere, just as it can happen
>
> That's a little disingenuous. It's probably 1,000x more likely to
> happen on the Ashton mid afternoon on a sunny day during school
> holidays than it is at 7 in the morning on a rainy day on a rural
> length of the Llangollen.
>
> My advice is avoid depressed urban areas after about 10:00 in the
> morning (scallys do like their lie-in). Last time we did the Ashton
> (just 2 of us) we started at Portland Basin at about 05:30, got down
> the whole lot by mid morning, and the only mild hassle we had was
> seeing druggies lurking in the shadows under the tower block on the
> Rochdale.
I think you will find these were harmless Rent Boys.
> On previous trips (with bigger crews) on the Ashton we have
> had kids jumping onto the boat, looking for stuff to nick (we had the
> doors locked both ends, windows closed and all curtains drawn, so they
> drew a blank).
We have already done the Ashton once this year, at mid day due to BW being
over protective of a trolley reef outside ASDAs.......with absolutely no
trouble at all.
If you keep up with our sparse trip reports, then you will hear how we get
on with the other THREE Ashton passages planned in the coming couple of
weeks....
Shirley it is common practice in urban areas to keep front doors locked and
no valuables on display?
--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest - in Glasson Basin...
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Don Aitken
<nos...@nandj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:58:31 +0100, "Dave Mayall"
><da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> You cannot suddenly, out of the blue, ask the Chancellor of the
>>> Exchequer:
>>>
>>> "Whether he is aware that a small boy of repulsive appearance threw a
>>> stone the size of a duck's egg at the passengers in Mr. Haddock's boat
>>> proceeding under Lambeth Bridge on July 4th last, and nearly killed a
>>> lady-mariner, and what does he propose to do about it?"
>>>
>>> For the Chancellor of the Exchequer is not responsible for small boys
>>> or Lambeth Bridge.
>>
>>So, in 1937, such an event caused questions in parliament.
>
>'frayed knot. It was a hypothetical example of the sort of question you
>couldn't ask in parliament. In an article by a chap who now has a lock
>named after him.
A Google on "Albert Haddock" would unearth much information (and
entertainment).
--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"
Dave Mayall
>> prophets of doom telling everybody to stay away,
>> and reducing boat movements still further were not
>> a major factor in making it safe
>
> Not what I said. What I said was that people complaining to BW and the
> police when they experienced incidents was what got things improved.
Yes, but what you have been doing in this thread is re-telling stories of
just how bad it is on the Ashton. Perpetuating the image of the past, and
doubtless discouraging the OP from ever doing the Ashton.
> Antisocial behaviour and rising petty crime, coupled with the police's
> inability to do anything about it, is one of the reasons we left the
> UK.
No dispute on that point.
Dave Mayall
news:5apof1dpngd3n9caj...@4ax.com...
> How much water does an iceberg use in a lock next?
Is this an iceberg with a current BW licence then?
Drifter
Dave Mayall wrote:
> "Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:5apof1dpngd3n9caj...@4ax.com...
>
> > How much water does an iceberg use in a lock next?
H'mmmmm..... depends whether the iceberg formed when the lock was full
or drained.
If it formed when the lock was full, and you drained it, you would be
letting out less water.
>
> Is this an iceberg with a current BW licence then?
That's possibly an ice-boat you're thinking about.
Tony H
John Gwalter
> Peter Headland wrote...
> >> It can happen anywhere, just as it can happen
> >> in any street in any town.
> >
> >That's a little disingenuous. It's probably 1,000x more likely to
> >happen on the Ashton mid afternoon on a sunny day during school
> >holidays than it is at 7 in the morning on a rainy day on a rural
> >length of the Llangollen.
> >
> dozen times in the last few years with NO TROUBLE at all. Some of these
> trips were in the afternoon on a Sunday or school holiday. The Ashton is
> now no worse than any other urban canal.
FWIW My wife and I boated down the Ashton on the afternoon of Monday 22nd
August with no trouble. Plenty of local youth about - all reasonably polite
and chatty.
(I did spot a couple of blokes going over the wall of a derelict factory -
probably looking for something to nick, but I doubt if there was anything
left.)
--
JOhn
NB Ernest (that one, not the other one)
My indecision is Final.