Panel Wipe / Naptha in UK (Scotland) ?
Jim
I'm looking at getting a Coleman stove, one that will take Coleman
fuel or unleaded. Google tells me that Coleman fuel is arm-and-leg
price in the UK, but is the same product as something called Panel
Wipe (which itself is the chemical naptha).
Can anyone confirm or disprove this? If it is the same substance, and
will burn in the Coleman stoves without side-effects, then can anyone
suggest a stockist of the stuff? Central Scotland preferably, or
t'internet.
I'm led to believe that it's substantially cheaper than Coleman's own
fuel.
Many thanks,
Jim
MP
Have read the same and tried to track some down in the North East of England
a couple of years ago for my Coleman stove but without success, will watch
this post with interest.
MP
Peter Clinch
> Have read the same and tried to track some down in the North East of
> England a couple of years ago for my Coleman stove but without success,
> will watch this post with interest.
There's an outdoors Magic thread on it here:
http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/forum/forummessages/mps/utn/14730/v/8/cp/1/
which suggests that an motor factor should be able to supply it.
See also: http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/forum/forummessages/mps/UTN/8272
Pete.
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Jim
Since making my posting I've read a few other threads, including this
one:
It would appear that both Panel Wipe and Aspen 4T are suitable fuels,
with Aspen 4T being perhaps the better fit.
I've subsequently found Aspen stockists via here:
http://www.aaoil.co.uk/environment-Aspen-Stockists
and found that my local stockist is, bizarrely, less than three miles
away!!!
http://www.jmitchellandco.co.u
I've emailed them this morning with:
"Can you tell me if you stock Aspen 4T, 5 litre cans? I understand
that it's a viable alternative to Coleman Fuel for use in camping
stoves."
and they have replied:
"Yes we do have Aspen 4T in stock and that seems to be the only reason
we sell it!"
So clearly I'm not the first person to ask them about it :-)
I will call in there and get some fuel - unless you lot beat me to it
and they sell out ;-) - and report back.
Jim
Peter Clinch
> Since making my posting I've read a few other threads, including this
> one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7k4qk3
>
> It would appear that both Panel Wipe and Aspen 4T are suitable fuels,
> with Aspen 4T being perhaps the better fit.
>
> I've subsequently found Aspen stockists via here:
>
> http://www.aaoil.co.uk/environment-Aspen-Stockists
> I will call in there and get some fuel - unless you lot beat me to it
> and they sell out ;-) - and report back.
Another dealer in Dundee, so you're safe there (thanks for the link
though!). Still not cheap though... We don't use the pressure stoves
much, generally finding gas significantly less faff, but are still
running out an old supply of paraffin and Coleman fuel on those
occasions we do.
Jim
fed up with lugging expensive gas cartridges which never seem to last
very long and where they run luke-warm when nearing the end.
I didn't thing the aspen was too pricey - £2.77 for a litre versus
£4.50 for 0.5L of Coleman.
Time will tell. Hopefully I'm making the right decision.....
Jim
Paul Saunders
> I didn't thing the aspen was too pricey - £2.77 for a litre versus
> £4.50 for 0.5L of Coleman.
Would you pay that much to put petrol in your car?
I always used ordinary unleaded fuel in my Coleman stoves. I know it's not
ideal, but it was never really a problem. Clogged up a bit a few times (very
rarely), but not too difficult to clean. Main thing to remember was after
turning it off each time, I'd always turn it back on and off a few times to
blast some vapour through the pipes to help keep it from clogging.
Paul
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Peter Clinch
> Admittedly this is my first foray into liquid fuel stoves, I'm just
> fed up with lugging expensive gas cartridges which never seem to last
> very long and where they run luke-warm when nearing the end.
What sort of stove are you using Jim? And what are the windshield
arrangements? We comfortably got a week out of a 400-size gas cartridge
(there's still plenty left) using a shielded Primus Geavity EF, we get
noticeably worse fuel consumption from our OD Camp 3 micro-stove (no
pre-heating, more awkward to keep out of the breeze). And another thing
about the OD is that connecting straight to the stove, turning the
bottle upside down or giving it a shake at the end is a bit of a
non-starter while we can eek every last drop when using the Primus (or
the Trangia with gas converter).
> I didn't thing the aspen was too pricey - £2.77 for a litre versus
> £4.50 for 0.5L of Coleman.
Compared to Coleman fuel I would guess pure weapons grade uranium is
probably cheap, but compare to a litre of unleaded and £2.77 starts
looking a bit steep!
> Time will tell. Hopefully I'm making the right decision.....
Only you can answer that... some folk much prefer pressure stoves but
we use gas by choice, despite a pair of good liquid fuel stoves at our
disposal (a petrol-only and a multi-fuel that does just about everything
bar diesel and alcohol). The priming is a faff compared to gas, and you
need a significantly bigger "volume of safety" around the thing to get
it going. If you've not already done so get lots of practice priming
before using "in anger", especially if you're using petrol, and
especially especially especially if using petrol inside a tent. A wee
squirt-bottle of meths is a handy thing for an alternative and much less
"interesting" priming fuel than any amount of petrol, and it's worth
considering priming outside and then taking it back in once it's going
if you'll be in a tent.
Where the pressure stoves really score is extended melting of snow for
water, because they can run hotter than other lightweight stoves, or
when fuel resupply is problematical as even though it's far from ideal,
unleaded is widely available and does work (but do clean everything
afterwards).
Hope all goes well...
Tim Jones
>Admittedly this is my first foray into liquid fuel stoves, I'm just
>fed up with lugging expensive gas cartridges which never seem to last
>very long and where they run luke-warm when nearing the end.
>
>I didn't thing the aspen was too pricey - £2.77 for a litre versus
>£4.50 for 0.5L of Coleman.
Am I missing something here?
Remind me how much unleaded costs at the pump!
Phil Cook
Then think about the cost in spares if you are a bit lax on the cleaning front.
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Craig Wallace
You are missing that petrol contains all sorts of stuff which can clog
up your stove, so it requires more frequent cleaning.
I notice that MSR say "the use of Unleaded Auto Gas may shorten stove
lifespan" in their stove instructions.
And burning petrol can give of all sorts of nasty stuff which I don't
really want to be sitting next to and breathing in.
I don't find the cost of Coleman fuel too excessive anyway, as I
probably only buy a bottle or two of it per year.
Though I think I might have a look for that panel wipe instead if its
cheaper.
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Paul Saunders
>>> I didn't thing the aspen was too pricey - £2.77 for a litre versus
>>> £4.50 for 0.5L of Coleman.
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
>>
>> Remind me how much unleaded costs at the pump!
>
> Then think about the cost in spares if you are a bit lax on the
> cleaning front.
By the time it clogs up you could buy a brand new stove with the money you'd
saved!
Boo
> saved!
I suppose it does depend how much of the stuff you get through in a year but
fwiw I'd go for the Aspen 4T as a compromise if it was available locally. I
don't like the noxious substances they put in petrol either and although I
haven't ever smelled the Aspen stuff, Coleman fuel smells a whole lot less than
petrol does.
--
Boo
Paul Saunders
> Only you can answer that... some folk much prefer pressure stoves but
> we use gas by choice,
I always used to swear by petrol pressure stoves, especially in winter, but
since switching to gas I've seen nothing but improvement. It's far lighter
than the combined weight of petrol and stove that I used to carry, and it's
never failed to light, even in sub-zero temperatures in the snow.
So far, I haven't seen the downside, even though I expected it to be crap in
the snow (which it isn't).
> Where the pressure stoves really score is extended melting of snow
I'll take your word for it, but in practice, I haven't really found gas to
be a problem in any conditions, and it's much lighter overall.
Paul Saunders
> I don't like the noxious substances they put in
> petrol either and although I haven't ever smelled the Aspen stuff,
> Coleman fuel smells a whole lot less than petrol does.
Does it? I never tried it. The smell of petrol never bothered me.
Adrian Godwin
>
> I don't find the cost of Coleman fuel too excessive anyway, as I
> probably only buy a bottle or two of it per year.
> Though I think I might have a look for that panel wipe instead if its
> cheaper.
>
This is no help whatsoever for the poster who wanted fuel in Scotland, but
if anyone in Cambridge wants it :
The motorist discount shop on Milton Road sells panel wipe
The hardware shop 'True Value' in Histon sells naptha.
Sorry, can't remember prices for either.
-adrian
Jim
place) says he only stocks Aspen 4T for people with stoves! He used to
stock 2T and people kept asking for 4T so he began stocking it. He's
had people drive down from Inverness (140 miles) to buy it.
He's yet to sell it for chainsaws.....
I bought 6 litres the other day, and whilst I've only used it in
controlled conditions (e.g. my garden) it does seem excellent.
Jim
MP
"Jim" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> The guy in the shop in Scotland (a lawnmower/agricultural repair
> place) says he only stocks Aspen 4T for people with stoves! He used to
> stock 2T and people kept asking for 4T so he began stocking it. He's
> had people drive down from Inverness (140 miles) to buy it.
>
> He's yet to sell it for chainsaws.....
>
> I bought 6 litres the other day, and whilst I've only used it in
> controlled conditions (e.g. my garden) it does seem excellent.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
MP
Jim
on exactly where in T&W you are you might find a stockist reasonably
close:
http://www.aaoil.co.uk/environment-Aspen-Stockists
Jim
MP
>>Been trying to find a stockist in Tyne & Wear for a while no luck though.
>>MP
"Jim" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Tyne and Wear stockists do seem thin on the ground; however depending
> on exactly where in T&W you are you might find a stockist reasonably
> close:
>
> http://www.aaoil.co.uk/environment-Aspen-Stockists
>
> Jim
Thanks Jim had checked the site for my nearest stockists but was hoping
there might have been an unlisted stockists a bit nearer to me someone knew
about (Durham area) but it looks like I will have to try and pick some up if
I'm passing ether Sam Turner & Sons Ltd at Northallerton or Gustharts
Chainsaw Centre up at Seaton Burn. Probably combine picking some up with
doing a walk in the area that should make the journey fell a little bit more
worthwhile.
Thanks again,
MP